many people apply extreme heat to the cpu/gpu and they say it fixes it
The Jews did it.
>>343137163
But how they managed to sabotage the 360 launch?
Is this the new "run a magnet across your hard drive"?
>>343137027
not the full story but basically if things get too hot or cold it's sorta like the temp wraps around and is the opposite (like why dry ice is hot)
chip gets too hot and "freezes" up so you gotta melt it or something
>>343137321
actually it works, there are many videos on youtube
They say it makes the micro wires connect to each other again
You are basically doing external soldering
>>343137027
Jews being cheapskates and shitty manufacture lines.
Also pretty much a good chunk of sales of PS360 are just rebuy because the console bricked or fried.
PS2 was shitty as fuck with that disk drive.
>>343137323
>chip gets too hot and "freezes" up so you gotta melt it or something
Interesting
So the RROD problem is the lack of proper ventilation?
>>343137027
Something something about the solder being "environmentally friendly" that turned out to be trash. After a number of on/off cycles the solder will stop making contact with the components, shit will not get enough energy, then useless brick.
When reheated the solder will flow into its normal position but this will happen again unless you change the solder.
How did the towel trick fix so many 360s? It must have been something with solder setting back in correctly or something?
>>343137497
>You are basically doing external soldering
Yeah except if you got anywhere near the point required to melt solder all you'd have inside the case is a black wafer with some burnt out chips.
There's no such thing as brute-force soldering, retard.
This trick "works" because the thermal paste is shit and the only way to resituate it is to get it past the point of a solid and press it down to shoot up the density a bit.
You can do more just replacing the paste with some arctic silver.
>>343137523
>PS2
If you pirated a PS2 in mid 2000s, your average ps2 life cycle was 2 years
I had 3 PS2s
>>343137276
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_of_Hazardous_Substances_Directive
An EU law went into effect banning the lead solder that they used in the prototypes. They had to switch it out for a different type of solder, which ended up cracking under high heat.
>>343137027
> PS2 was shitty as fuck with that disk drive.
Yea but the disk drive was optional.
Only like 1-2 games actually used the disk drive. FF11 and Resident Evil Outbreak. Tho you can play RE Outbreak without disk drive but loading times are much longer...
>>343137690
I just googled that it makes no sense. How would wrapping your 360 in towels fix it?
>>343137690
>How did the towel trick fix so many 360s?
That's just a placebo effect for retards.
>>343137689
>solder
Where? on the CPU die?
>>343137690
Yeah pretty much the main reason they failed was because they used cheap solder and the heatsinks would come lose. Thats pretty much when it did when you would apply heat to it.
>>343137689
>"environmentally friendly"
The solder isn't lead based or some shit like that.
In EU/non-EU trade regions lead is not allowed in electronics and repeated warming and cooling causes it to crack.
The PS3 had the same problem in earlier models, but nothing to the extent of the 360.
>>343137903
Makes you think all solders today are mostly lead free... the hardware tends to die faster (i.e you buy it again)
Environment friendly = buy the product again
>>343137881
I've pirated PS2 games since 2001 and the console still works to this day.
You were probably using cheap DVDs which broke the laser. Mine broke once after 6 or so years of heavy use. The PS2 didn't die, the driver did. I replaced it but now I read all games from the internal HDD anyway.
Or you live in some 3rd world country where it gets super hot and it overheated.
>>343137969
Force it to overheat.
Fixed mine properly with the xclamp mod to apply more pressure to the chip and then overheat it to set the solder. Too bad I never played it again anyways.
>>343137969
You're cutting airflow
Basically overheating it to put things back into place
>>343138213
>>343138293
Didn't it RROD due to overheating in the first place?
>>343137690
It didn't "fix" them, it was super fucking temporary. Lots of people would buy red ring'd 360s, towel them, then go around selling them to gamestops.
The towel trick only let it work again for a couple days at best.
>>343138212
>Or you live in some 3rd world country where it gets super hot and it overheated.
Having internal heat system because it's too cold outside
>>343137497
>>343137812
>>343138213
It was only a temporary fix, maybe for a couple of weeks until it red rings again.
>>343137903
So the EU did it huh, really makes you think
>>343138338
That's hilarious. Did gamestop ever stop accepting them?
The processor has hundreds of small balls of solder underneath it connecting it directly to the motherboard. The design was made for non ROHS compliant solder. When they switched to leadfree solder they didn't redesign anything. The constant heating and cooling lead to small fractures in the solder so the balls were not making full contact between the processor and motherboard. The towel trick heat caused enough thermal expansion that it closed those gaps without resoldering them.
>>343138336
Yeah. The solder joints moved out of place due to high heat, and you can use heat to move them back in place.
>>343138336
The overheating was caused by the heatsink coming lose.
>>343137321
>>343137497
It's a stupid temp fix at best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shn7LdIrViQ
>>343138378
Replace the thermal paste and it's a permanent fix.
>>343138489
Don't think so, chances are they were able to return them to microsoft for a fix. If I recall the warranty was based on serial numbers really didn't matter who owned it.
>>343137903
Isnt that the same problem with fat ps3?
My launch fatty though still hasent overheated once.
>>343138620
The fat ps3 didnt fail nearly as much so I assume it was just a problem with badly designed circulation.
>>343137027
I thought it was because something inside starts warping or you need to applu some thermal paste like the ylod. Only got it on my release console so idk
>>343138553
God damn I fucking love Linus Tech Tips. Comfiest and most interesting tech channel on youtube.
>>343137652
One of the flaws in the OG 360s if I remember right was that they put the cpu or gpu or both directly under the dvd drive. So yes.
>>343137027
it got so hot it literally melted the solder joints off, if you remelted it you could potentially get it back in the right position.
>>343137689
>>343138132
yep, lead free soldier, now everything develops metal whiskers and fails at some point.
>>343138378
So what could be done to fix it forever?
What's the name of this equipment?
>>343137812
Except this is totally wrong, the problem is in the bga solder, its shit and can be reflowed by just taking the heatsink off and running the system for a bit.
Look up 'x-clamp reflow', its the best method to long-term fix the rrod. Take the heatsink off replace the heatsink brackets with an x shaped bracket that equalizes pressure across the chip, reheat solder either with heat gun/oven/running the chip, then put the heatsink back on.
>>343138934
>joints
The joints where in the chip?
>>343139086
rework station I think.
>>343139086
That's a heat gun, its reflowing the bga solder points.
>>343139086
see >>343138213
It was literally just an x shaped clamp that held the CPU and GPU down.
>the people who wrapped it in a towel in order to fix it
>>343139203
Ball joints probably on the buttom of the chip since it's probably a BGA package.
>tfw 360 RROD'd
>tfw microshaft fixed it FOR FREE
>replaced xclamps
>use arctic silver with new heatsinks
>no problems for 5 years now
>>343139326
>x shaped clamp
how the x-clamp fixed the problem?
>>343139432
that's what I don't get
how replacing the xclamp fix the issue anyway? you are not doing anything to fix the solder
legit question lads I got a 2007 xbox 360 still working to this very day, I never had to get it repaired and i played it regularly til 2013. It red ringed a few times but i just unplugged it and replugged it and it was fine. Do i have a lucky xbox?
>>343139513
crasked solder and heat expansion created cracks in the solder balls so they didn't connect anymore. Clamp forces them to connect. It's a fairly crude solution but it worked.
>>343139629
it holds it down.
so even though it melts a little it's still connected.
>>343137027
solder desolders, same thing with the PS3.
>>343139636
Ive also got a 2007 thats still going strong
Its the best year by far
>that kid who riced his console
>that kid who fixed rrod for money at schooltfw that was me
>>343139836
>>343139743
So you replace the x camp and next time you power on no more red ring?
![X-Clamps-medium[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LJFDOik.jpg "X-Clamps-medium[1].jpg")
>>343137027
The solder joints of the CPU / GPU were all lead-free solder which is much more prone to breaking than leaded ones.
Since the console got extreme warm due to the GPU unit having a small heatsink (see left one on the picutre) which was also mounted on by the DVD drive.
To make it even more worse the heatsinks were mounten by X-Clamps which fastened the heatsinks by pressure which made the board flex even more after getting hot as fuck.
Due to all the stress the solder joints start breaking and you get the RROD.
One fix for this was the X-Clamp fix which replaced the clamps with normal screws, Microsoft solved the problem somewhat on the newer consoles which had different revisions of the board with much lower TDP and thus were cooler.
The wide spreaded "towel trick" was just to get an extreme high temperature on your GPU to get the solder connected again but as you might guess its pretty dangerous since you can fry a complete good console with heating all your electronics up to high temps.
>t. xbox 360 modding / repair guy
>>343140094
you reflow or reball the chips, depending on how much effort you want to go to. then you replaced the x clamps with bolts so the heatsinks are held down without the unneeded pressure being applied to the underside of the chips
>>343140094
no you had to reball / solder the broken solder points back, either with a heatgun, a reball machine or with baking it.
>put dying GPU in the oven to fix it
>put hard-disk with the click of death in the freezer to make it work again
mfw they both worked
>>343140218
>>t. xbox 360 modding / repair guy
My xbox slim died couple of months ago..
all 4 green lights as there was 4 controllers connected but they didn't flash
have you seen something similar? No one could figure it out what happened
Anyway, at the point where you put normal screws don't you have to fix the soldering first?
>>343137027
poor thermal design. broken solder joints.
I thank my RROD piece of shit xbox for making me swiitch to pc gaming
>>343137027
you just put the motherboard in the oven for a while. worked for me back then.
>>343138212
uhh, physical media is not going to ruin a diode what the fuck are you even typing.
you have absolutely no understanding of basic technology.
>>343140939
that's what I thought
Some people claim that cheap dvds "force" the laser
either way I'm not sure if cheap dvds was the cause of PS2 problems
>>343137027
>>>
It was just unused experimental solder in both the 360/PS3, I got the e74 error in the 360 after a year. The replacement I brought was £40 (Deal on eBay, great in hindsight) , and it has lasted for 7 years.
Reliability was sketchy as you can see, this machine was an opal model.
The PS3, I had to fix myself, and I really enjoyed my time with it, so I'm not too sour. It would break every month, and it was easy to fix. Although this was 5 years ago. Luckily I played through some great games with it.
