You know what I liked most about playing an MMO?
Your reputation mattered. You had a persistent character, and getting end-game things done required cooperation. If you were a known scumbag or no fun to play with, you would gain a reputation as such and thus be unable to do aforementioned end game stuff.
That kind of social filter allowed me to meet some great people, and rewarded the genuinely nice people better than any "commend" system ever has.
Yes and then they started making MMOs that weren't just about fucking around and grinding and tried attracting player bases over 50k in size so they had to come up with ways to let more than 5% of them experience the content.
>>343074207
Umm, excuse me? But some of us have lives. I don't have the time for that kind of thing with working twelve hours a day to take care of my wife's son. I'm glad modern MMOs like FFXIV and WoW exist where I can just log in for a half hour a day and be done. =) And because of lockouts, those tryhard nolifers can't get ahead and leave me behind!
>>343075095
Yeah, it's good that they sterilized the genre to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Who wants to work hard and socialize to achieve their goals? I should be able to just queue into anything in a menu with complete strangers. Being forced to make friends in a multiplayer game is retarded.
>>343075484
>video game
>working hard
lol
>>343074207
Man I loved FFXI, I miss it.
>>343074207
I don't want to participate in a fucking popularity contest just so I can play a game and be allowed to have fun. If you weren't in a super special club or didn't want to suck your guild leader off, you were out of luck.
>>343075858
That's not how it worked in FFXI, not only did everyone have multiple circles of friends but you also could have multiple guilds. Basically the game forced you to play with other people and you were given endless opportunities to talk to them and make friends.
While playing FFXIV, I sometimes get flashbacks to XI. It hurts, and as much as I'd like to go back to FFXI and just play it again, it's just not the same without all the people. Private servers have too few people, and the official ones are just solo grinding until high level. It hurts.
I'm going on a tangent here, but besides being reminded of XI sometimes, I get SaGa vibes as well from both XIV and XI. Anyone else hope that SE would even consider making an MMORPG for that?
>>343075858
This.
OP is a cuckboi
>>343075979
You could only equip 1 LS at a time and they used up inventory space.
>>343075858
This is why we can't have nice things.
>tfw static'd the game from start to finish, the ultimate MMORPG experience
vana'diel lives in my heart forever
>>343074207
Same, I miss FFXI and the social aspect of the game. You lived in the game.
I remember when my Linkshell went to Konschtat Highlands just to eat cookies under a tree on a hill, when the game first came out.
The zones, the music, the needing to forge everlasting friendships (until a "teehee imma gurl gimme lewts" joined to ruin it all) and static parties because it made your journeying together that much more personal.
The game was so awe inspiring. Everything was so complex, in a good way. Weather affecting magic. Moon phase affecting fishing. Elemental days and direction affecting crafting. Certain actions aggroing certain enemies, like Magic to Elementals.
Riding a boat from one port to another, fishing on the boat, being attacked by skeletal pirates or the Kraken, and everyone courageous enough to fend them off.
The game had so much immersion and held you, as a player, in such high regard to be someone, and not just a forgetful face. I miss FFXI and the stories I made with friends I've met from across the globe.
But then Abyssea happened. And then the game went to shit.
>>343076017
>>343074207
Everyone who STILL plays FFXIV needs to kill themselves. Stopping giving S-E money for a dogshit themepark MMO that hasn't changed for shit since 2.3.
>>343075625
Then play it.
>>343076979
>Elemental days and direction affecting crafting.
Didn't that end up being debunked eventually? It fits with the rest of the cryptic design of the game, but I think that theory was proven false.
>>343075858
Except it wasn't actually like that in the respectable groups. Yeah there were kids who fancied themselves dictators, but they were the exceptions not the rule.
People like >>343076076 are exactly the sort of memers that got filtered out by needing to have a personality that someone actually wants to spend time with.
>>343077154
Sorry, I only play because my friends play it. Don't want to just abandon them, man.
>>343077285
The directions, yes. The days of the week though had actual effects on many things affected by elements, crafting included.
>>343076979
And can't forget training a Tremor Ram to Valkrum Dunes and shouting that there is a Tremor Ram on the other side (this was before they patched MPK - Monster Player Killing, where the mobs would walk away or despawn).
It was quite chaotic and fun when both sides of the zones were dangerous. One side with a group of Goblins, and the other side with a Tremor Ram.
>>343077285
Not sure, I'm 100% positive the elemental days affected crafting, and the direction you faced (when facing the elemental star) also played a part in the search for higher High Quality chance.
>>343076017
How the fuck would a SaGa MMO even work?
>FFXI was my first MMO
>I never found it that interesting>other than the fishing
>ywn again queue up for an Alterac Valley battle that has been raging for days and fight against your nemesis
>ywn again make new friends after spending three hours assembling a dungeon group
Fuck cross-realm and fuck running dungeons/BGs with randoms that might as well be bots. It was the single biggest factor in killing WoW
>>343077542
>One of my first times in Qufim
>running back towards Jeuno
>get aggroed by a giant on my way back
>know this thing is going to kick my ass
>get to that choke point corridor before the cave where there's always lower levels doing worms
>turn and start fighting it and call for help
>all the lowbies eventually hop into the fight
>I tank it and we manage to kill the thing in the last moment before it kills me
>say "Thanks everyone. Sorry about that."
>people saying "that was awesome!" "pull another one!" "can't believe we pulled that off"
good times.
>>343077703
That's what I want to know. It's like asking how the fuck would a FF or DQ MMO work but even crazier due to how weapon skill progression works. I'd imagine they'd have to use actual levels with being able to choose with a points system to pump into stats so that people don't accidentally completely screw up their builds. I would kind of like if they kept Sparking in, but I know that it would result in a ton of bitching thanks to today's climate for the genre.
>>343078332
I kind of regret not getting too into WoW before the end of WotLK and beginning of Cata, but I also don't since I was playing better games at the time anyways.
>>343078374
The interactions with random players helping each other out like that was really great. I'm always first to jump in if I see a Tarutaru running away with low HP and Called for Help!
Provoke, and let's do it.
>>343078550
That level down, and being completely naked because you can't wear your equipment anymore.
I remember that well.
>>343078702
https://youtu.be/iTIwBDNDO4M
I completely understand why MMOs have become what they are, but at the same time it's killed any appeal for me. Anything later than early EQ2/WoW has been a completely pointless waste of countless hours just to have big numbers where no one gives a shit about anything and everything's a fucking bore.
The stuff OP's talking about might seem weird or un-fun to some but it's honestly the only thing that ever made this genre appealing at all to me and MANY people I know in the first place. I wish there were some low-key MMO type experiences you could still have like that but outside of private servers of older games that feel literally stuck in the past and depressing, there doesn't seem to be.
>>343078775
It's peaceful now. I wish more games deleveled you when you die.
>>343079295
I'm hoping that one game with EQ alumni hits it off and sticks to what made older MMORPGs great. I think it was called Pantheon or something.
Bless will make MMOs great again!
>>343079965
I haven't heard the best things about its gameplay, but damn do I need to play it just for these cute catgirls. The other races look pretty cool, too.
>>343079295
On the contrary, I despised the bullshit that came with early theme park MMOs. There's a reason I never enjoyed them even a fraction as much as I did sandbox MMOs like UO or even third-rate MMOs like Graal Online.
>>343079965
>generic wow clone #1234345345345
>>343078550
I'm going to be really sad if XI's ultimate mob isn't a rabbit.
They'll probably cheap out and have some finale dragon / crystal / Ultra AV Warden Balor fusion, but the old mantra always rang true that "no matter what level you are in FFXI, there's always a rabbit that can kick your ass"
>>343077154
At this point in time, it is the only quality kinentic MMO that my pals and I can play together.
I've been trying to drag them over to EVE, but they whine and complain that it looks too daunting for them, despite the skill system being perfect for their now aged lifestyles and playtime.
I just wish there was a new half decent one, have no desire to start an mmo thats been going for years
>FFXI
>takes minutes to kill a single mob yourself
>takes minutes to recover from killing a single mob
>you get so little XP that no one ever leveled solo, they simply quit
FFXI is great for those sort of people who like to brag about how much time they wasted in a shitty game.
It wasn't even fun. The combat was a single step up from ancient menu-based JRPGs, but you could at least move around freely while going through menus.
>>343080114
>the bottom of the boobs clip into the chest
>>343080992
You get a lot more experience in parties since you can get exp chains going, and those get you mondo bonus experience, like triple what you get for killing one mob. Having to rest to recover MP was pretty annoying, I'll agree, but they added jobs that could heal without using MP but used TP instead. DNC was such a great job in that game.
>>343075268
This practically isn't even satire. Fuck normies so hard.
Most people have jobs and can play vidya just fine without ruining it for everyone else.
>>343079965
>another action MMO
when did we last even have a point and click MMO
>>343080114
>>343079965
I honestly wish this was a singleplayer open world instead of an MMO. The designs look too good to be wasted on something that will likely turn into a F2P MMO these days. Also a solo game would establish the world and lore and gain more fans for a possible future MMO in the franchise.
>>343081313
Yeah, I don't understand why people that don't like what makes MMORPGs fun can't just play singleplayer games or faster paced multiplayer games, like shooters. If they can't do that because they're bad at games, they should just read a book or watch TV instead.
>>343080992
>>takes minutes to kill a single mob yourself
>>you get so little XP that no one ever leveled solo, they simply quit
God bless systems like this, solo players in MMOs cant kill themselves.
>>343081442
>when did we last even have a point and click MMO
But it is tab-targeting. It's a mixture of both worlds.
>>343081490
True, but it's being made by a Korean developer. It's impossible for Koreans to make games unless they're MMOs. I'm pretty sure this is a law like their anti-porn laws.
>>343080992
I don't get it, you're naming positives but trying to spin them as negatives
>>343079965
>Korean mmo
Instant red flag.
I will never do this again, did it with Aion, Tera, Black Desert, and some other shit I got suckered into.
I have finally learned my mistakes. MMO is dead, and will never be revitalized, and certainly it will not be by Koreans if it's revived.
>>343081501
The problem is that they don't like it, but they want to be "included" anyway. This generalist mindset is a growing cancer on most forms of media, especially vidya.
>>343081794
>taking 5+ minutes for a end-game, well-geared player to kill bunnies
>a positive
literal cuck
>be playing swg while at college
>RL friends from back home won't play SWG but get into WoW and want me to play with them
>try it out, get into it, join their guild, get to 60
>find out while gearing up pre-raid bis crap that every single one of my buddies is a douche in-game
>just constant annoying trolling, ninja looting, shit talking, scamming
>some of it is funny but the ninja looting especially gives the guild a really bad reputation
>at any given time of day/night there is someone in orgrimmar spamming a warning about grouping with us
>i get all my pre-raid bis ready, we have a MC planned
>suddenly they all quit - don't remember exactly but was some RL argument (I'm a few states away so not seeing them IRL)
>i'm stuck with the ninjalooter reputation even tho I'd never been a douche
They are nice dudes irl but still completely spergs in games. Great to play shit like dayz or rust but anything requiring cooperation with anyone outside "the clique" will end poorly. I wish i had nicer friends.
I loved XI but no one has the time anymore to play like that, you either go autistic levels of grinding like EVE and make it your second job or go full themepark like FFXIV
>>343082217
>game encourages partying
Oh no! You might have to talk to someone in a fucking MMO! The horror
Even then FFXI gave you options for doing stuff solo through certain jobs/subjobs.
>>343081665
>>343081980
Korean and chinese MMO developers/publishers are the western porn artists of MMOs.
I know Darkfall is a meme, but a rebooted version of original DFO that got licensed out (so it's ran by different fags) started today as an "in development" period.
DARKFALL: NEW DAWN
It's DF 1.0 but with additional UO inspired shit. It's free for now, i don't recall what it will eventually cost. This is sort of a shill because i like Darkfall but i mention it as it's definitely a game where shit you do matters -- good and bad. You can potentially be the most popular person in-game or the most reviled, all based on decisions and actions you take.
>>343082446
>Oh no! You might have to talk to someone in a fucking MMO! The horror
Oh no! A choice! Mommy never gave me any choices to do something on my own! I shutdown and can't do anything!
>>343074207
>tfw when you end up in a group with one of the legends of your server
>>343076979
FFXI was so cash. I remember when I first started in Windhurst, just getting to the red cliffs of Tharongi Canyon was incredible enough, let alone the trip to the dunes. No other MMORPG engaged me like FFXI.
>>343081980
Porject Gorgon its our savior.
>>343082873
I loved that FFXI demanded more from its players because it filtered out faggots like dicksplash here.
>>343081980
Man I got so burnt by ArcheAge. I still feel shitty about it.
I'm convinced that eastern and western style of mmos are completely incompatible.
>>343083760
>getting carried by a group is more demanding that solo play
typical FFXI player
the only group of people to ever think tank/heal/dps trinity was "difficult"
>>343080992
You only had to solo to like level 10 max you mongrol. Anti social, instant gratification wanting, solo playing faggots like you ruined the genre
>>343084060
I don't understand what you're trying to convey here, you're basically complaining that you can't choose the multiplayer option and play solo at the same time.
Why bother going for FFXI instead of any other FF if you want to roll solo?
>>343082748
I'm actually interested, since I remember trying the old Darkfall, but a lack of money and lack of friends to play it with caused me to stop playing until it was far too late, and Adventurine went full retard.
>>343082748
looks very very hypeworthy. I'm scared
You flat out could not solo in most MMOs back then because your class/job failed to self-sustain after huge burst of damage from random mobs. WoW brought in the holy trinity that no one can seem to peel away from and its sickening to always have end-game content revolve around the trinity. I actually have concepts where you would have zones be raided by giant monsters that would one-shot anyone or anything, but it was a matter of knee-jerk reactions without any pancakes to assist where something is going to be dropped on you. Remember how MMOs used to require people to pay attention to the model animations to figure whether they were going to do a spell or cast a cleave? Yeah, that's all fucking gone now and it pisses me off that everyone uses visual aid for dumbfucks.
This is just me whining cause fuck it.
>LFG Scarlet Library
>got 3 people
>find a 4th
>"hey man this guy is a known ninja"
>4th guy tries to deny it
>Ask my guildies and trade about him
>get a fair number of whispers and messages backing up the ninja claim
>decide to kick him and find another guy
>a few days later, hear about how the ninja managed to get deadmans hand off Doan
>>343084960
>hating on ninjas
Heh, you better keep an eye open while sleeping tonight...
>>343084410
Yeah, i loved original darkfall. Played with a RL buddy and we joined some roleplaying clan that was part of a huge alliance (we normally are dickheads in pvp games so wanted to try something different). I was impressed with the politics between guild/clans more than anything else. Our side eventually lost a huge war but I've never had so much fun losing in a game.
One of my favorite memories was still being new and at the clan town - they were roleplayers but called it "functional roleplaying", in that we didn't have to be in character but used various roles and functions within the guild to foster roleplaying. Anyhow, i was dicking around raising blacksmithing or smelting or something when i got told that the leader of the big alliance was coming along with guards, he collected taxes every week from everyone or something. So I was instructed that I certainly didn't have to roleplay, but to try to avoid being an asshole if i could help it.
>Dude at the wall shouts that the king is coming
>gates open, king and his guards come in
>high ranked fags of guild welcome him, they have a short roleplay'ish conversation, trade him the taxes/materials
>i just stay quiet and respectful to not ruin their fun
>king leaves with his squad along to the next town in the alliance
Meanwhile they had dudes patrolling ahead, making sure to watch for ambushes and shit. I love stupid things like that, it really made the game for me.
Anyhow, re: the reboot --- it's free for now, I'm downloading it at the moment. After that it's uh, i forget. I want to say 30 bucks but I'm not sure they've even said yet. And this is their beta type thing so I think things get wiped but clans that participate get some bonuses on holdings or skill gain later, which i think is scheduled for later this year.
I think they have some useful FAQ on their site if you care enough. Keep in mind its Darkfall with added shit, but the best part is NO AVENTURINE. They cashed the check and they're out.
>>343084498
You're not alone.
Fuck FFXIV for also catering to the retard crowd. The last 1.x iterations still made you look for certain animations to know when the mob was going to shit stomp you in, and the overworld had actual threat and no leash range of 15 feet.
When there's no threat, the world is boring shit.
>>343085497
>Fuck FFXIV for also catering to the retard crowd.
PS3 limitations.
>>343085427
I never had the chance for that kind of fun and chaos, but that's what I would eat up when I was younger and learning about MMOs.
Is it pay to own, like Guild Wars 2, or will there be a base price and sub per month? I skimmed the FAQ and did not find anything about fees and costs.
Everyone on my ffxiv server knows the scumbag who pulls hunts early.
>>343084408
>level 10
wow, poor baby, how did you manage all by yourself?
>>343084408
If the genre consisted of grinding it never deserved to exist in the first place.
>>343085719
You forgot "Please understand".
Yoshi is/was a hack.
>>343085719
>limitation memes
Go away Yoshit.
>>343082748
DOWNLOADEN!!!
>>343086356
So what you're saying is the MMO genre should have never existed in the first place.
>>343086624
>>343086671
>doing maps
>some faggot from the neogaf guild needs and snipes my ore
Never again. I'm tripling my effort to shout GAFd after early pulling hunts.
>>343080114
That mane and facial animation is pretty damn cute.
>>343086175
i THINK the initial thing is 30 bucks, which gives you two months, and then the sub is 15? so no real box price, just the sub (technically)
BUT I could be wrong, sorry. I'm at work so this is from memory and i could be remembering something they threw out as an idea rather than something solid yet.
My guess is it will be sub and no box price, that seems kind of fair for a reboot game since most people that would be playing would have already bought it once (or twice, counting unholy wars) but again not 100% sure, sorry!
>>343077154
Took me till 3.0 to realize that the game would not improve, but I'm glad I quit.
>>343074207
>>343082748
Not expecting much but will try it
>>343086845
Theme park MMOs, yes. Fuck whoever thought it was a good idea to turn MMOs into 95% the equivalent of a boring, shitty job where the only thing that can make it tolerable is good coworkers and 5% actually interesting content.
>>343084487
>>343086812
>>343087581
Yeah, i'm cautiously optimistic. From what I've seen so far it sounds great, since original DF was fun but i wanted more sandbox style stuff than it had. I like their proposed changes and QoL stuff (as in not needing to use autohotkey to switch weapons and shit) but it's still up in the air how it will really be. If nothing else just original DF is pretty fun.
I played a shitload of DF 1.0 and just while browsing right now realize I've forgotten so much, so one thing I'd suggest is to lookup some starter shit if they don't have something on their forums. I'll be home this afternoon and will hop in then and make a handsome ork to fuck elves up with, i'll kill some goblins or something and try to remember things.
MMOs are garbage and trash because of the MMO community blows major dick
it attracts the solotards, sasuke and kiritos and attentionwhores
>>343082873
You can "choose" to go play something else, fucksteak.
>>343083120
THERES
NO
H
IN
WINDURST
13 years later I'm still annoyed by you people.
