>2D indie game gets a 10
lol
inb4 twist is that you're playing a video game.
So Undertale has been dethroned?
Limbo was trash this looks worse.
Why is /v/ constantly posting IGN reviews?
>3 hours long
>worth 10/10
pick one
>>343064897
I've never even heard about this game, but you're right, I bet it's shit comparing to our favourite Call of Duty 16, Assassin's Creed 9 and Battlefield 23.
>>343064897
I don't think anyone is surprised at this point.
>>343064897
You think only big publishers able to pay for it should get 10?
>Makers of Limbo make another great game
Honestly I'm not surprised.
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>>343064960
i don't think there would be that much of circlejerk around it
>>343064897
If it's actually even better than Limbo, it probably deserves a 10 on IGN standards
>>343064897
So, this came out already? Is it on the PC?
>>343065391
Will be in like 2 weeks.
5/5 from GiantBomb as well
http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/inside-review/1900-747/
>>343064897
>people like game
thats nice, limbo wasn't my thing and i doubt this one will be my thing either. glad for people into that kinda stuff though
>>343064897
Limbo was great. I like the feel of it.
>>343065054
Short games can never be a 10/10. It's a very big flaw.
>>343065026
>>3 hours long
So are you guys gonna cry all day about this?
>>343065026
>>343065926
>movies are always less than 3 hours
>you pay the same amount or more for them
>i'm sure you consider some movies 10/10
>>343065890
tell that to undertalefag
numeric scores were a mistake
Limbo sucked. It's amazing how a bad-to-mediocre platformer heavily based on dodgy physics was able to attain so much critical acclaim by simply using multiple aspects of the video game equivalents of Oscar bait.
>>343064897
I guess S3&K is like a 12/10 now
>>343065986
But this is a video game, not a movie.
>>343064897
>>343065603
CORDINATED SHILLING
Every major reviewer is gonna give this shit 9/10 or more. It will be just like undertale and you wont be able to go 5 seconds online without hearing about it. This is their continued effort to try and push actual video games out in favor of "MUH STORY" inidie shit.
>>343065890
Says who? You? Alright.
Also >>343065986 makes a point
>>343065890
How long does a game have to be before it can be a 10? 6 hours? 10 hours? 100 hours?
>>343064897
>>343065603
so which progressive topic do they want to push this time?
>>343064897
>a 2D indie game can't be good
I mean it's probably overrated shit but still it makes no sense.
>>343066073
when did we define what video games "have to be"? and who says the boundary between two mediums can't be blurred? fuck off
>>343066096
Fuck's sake man, there is no conspiracy to like what you don't like, people just have different opinions
Get a grip
>>343066096
Brad Shoemaker, the guy that reviewed Inside, also gave Doom 5/5 stars.
>>343064897
>It's a short ride
>>343066115
30 hours should be the norm for any game. 60 is the sweet spot for the best games.
>>343064897
>no mention of elements
What
So what's the epic twist?
Something SJW-ey? I would even expect that nowadays.
>>343064897
Any idea what the price is gonna be for it? For around 3 hours I can't imagine it'd be more than ten
>>343064897
You forget that Indie devs are usually pals with the staff on sites like this.
Humph OOooOOoOOoohhh Humph yeaaaah Humph Raaaaaahhhh lovely baby MASTEEEEERPIEEEECE
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRTT
roger ebert is a faggooooooooot
>>343066212
Fuck off, retard.
>>343064897
there's nothing wrong with a short game as long as it's appropriately price.
the obsession over game length is what causes devs like Bethesda to advertise "muh 40 hours of quests" when 90% of them are shitty procedurally generate fetch quest trash.
>>343066115
Long enough for you to not wish for more, but short enough so you don't go "WHEN WILL THIS FUCKING END"
>>343066115
30 is the standard
>>343066217
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4G1--kb-g
>>343066178
>>343066318
The standard as per fucking who?
PROTIP: Your anus is not a valid source.
How many dicks do you guys think the female dev sucked to get this score?
>>343066096
Must be tough seeing shills around every corner
>>343066125
The twist is that the main character is actually a black tranny.
>>343066330
Shill pal, that trailer says nothing¨.
>>343066318
is this a fucking joke? fuck off AAA CoD shill
>>343066212
Most brilliant games have been significantly less than 30 hours.
>>343065026
Because all games need to be unnecessarily long, I mean look at Alien Isolation, and especially if it's priced the same as your average DVD movie.
>>343066178
When the boundary gets blurred between the two, you get shit like the order 1886 or david cage faggotry. Don't think that's in any way good.
>>343066098
No, no he doesn't. Stop that whole "he makes a point" neogaf argument, it doesn't work.
>>343064897
limbo is a good and unique game, one of the few legit indie games. so this ones is probably good too.
>>343066193
>there is no conspiracy
Saying "there is no conspiracy" is part of a conspiracy.
>>343066251
Oh yeah, can't wait for gamergate to start digging and inevitably find the smoking gun that the lead composer's sister-in-law's hairdresser's dog was once owned by someone who went to high school with the reviewer, thus incontrovertibly proving once again that gaming journalism is irreparably corrupt and has to be burned to the ground.
>>343066310
I'd agree, but this is heavily dependent on each individual game.
>>343066212
You're that special kind of fucker, who solely plays Jrpg's right?
>>343066178
cause no matter what a video game has to be a game. And games are defined by a lot of things it's not a buzzword like "fun" or "emotional"
>>343066489
Second that. Limbo was fantastic
>>343066193
sup' shill. Still paid in rupies?
>>343066496
Of course.
>>343066526
I keep forgetting that SJWs dwell on this board to monitor our activities.
stupid westacucks and their indie shit
>>343065020
Because they are memes
>>343066386
>he actually reads news and reviews and believes its not part of an agenda or advertising attempt.
I feel sorry for faggots like you, being so easily manipulated and actively defending this shit when the proof of reviews being coordinated marketting attempts is plain as day.
Limbo was garbage. The only thing it had going for it was the artstyle, otherwise it was one of the thinnest and least imaginative games I've ever played.
>>343065026
How much would you pay for a 3 hour game? $2 max for me.
>>343066115
long enough so that the reviewers give it a 10 before finishing it and realizing it didn't deserve a 10.
>>343066648
And more conspiracy theories!
Can you narcissists wrap your head around the fact that the whole internet doesn't revolve around you and your opinions? I'm not here to "monitor" you, I'm here because it's been my favourite place to shoot the shit about video games for the past ten years, when I suddenly came across some paranoid dumb fuck and went to set the record straight.
/v/ is not one person. Deal with it.
>>343066648
SJW here, you guys aaree toooo easy to bait. We dont even do anything!
>timed exclusive on Xbox
Pirating it is then
>>343066382
Zero (0)
>>343066714
I'm so sorry
>>343066178
There are many legitimate ways videogames can blur medium boundaries. Many games make good use of text, many change up the framing of the visuals to get an effect like a comic book or a specific artistic movement. The modern standard of visuals in videogames could also be seen as a general trend towards the other major moving visual media, video.
Length is not really one of those. Mediums are not blended when the length of an example from one approaches the average of another. A tv series isn't more like a videogame because it collectively has several hours of run time. It might still be a good game for it's price, but if you're only going to get 3 hours out of it, it better be damn good or very replayable if it's above even $10 bucks. If we want to be charitable.
>>343066780
>"Oh no! My cover has been blown!"
>>343066819
You were going to anyway. Why bother trying to justify it? Does it make you feel like less of a scumbag?
>>343066912
>>343066980
ur mum is my cover fag
>>343066898
>Women
>Zero/0 dicks.
Well Limbo was a 10 for me so I'm intrigued to play this as well. No Xbone though.
>>343067053
INSIDE BEING GOOD IS A GAMERGATE CONSPIRACY
>It's another shill thread with shill posters.
>>343067063
Women don't have dicks, yes
Limbo is my favourite indie game. I bought it for xbox day 1 for 12€ and was worth it. Played it at night with no light and headset was one of my best time playing a game.
This looks as good as Limbo: simple gameplay, with GOAT atmosphere and ambient music and sounds
>>343067208
Check your privilege, shitlord.
>>343065026
>3 hours long
Not a bad thing, rather play this than say some weeb shit were you have to grind, farm for 30hrs
>>343067154
not him but you think they dont discuss and agree on review scores before declaring all 10s across the board? give me a break kid
>>343066714
Here is your tinfoil hat bro. Knock yourself out
>>343066289
Fucking exactly, game length is meaningless if it makes the game worse for it. Like Alien isolation
>>343067283
Why would they do that?
>>343067283
>not him
You're not fooling anyone, gator
>>343064897
>2D indie game gets a 10
Whats bad about that?
I can tell by looking at it that this particular "game" isn't a 10/10, but neither being 2D, nor being indie makes it so. Being shit does.
>>343064960
No furshit in it, it's doomed from the get go.
garblegrook go home
>>343067365
the fuck you on about?
its not a conspiracy when its been proven true and literally exposed completely by all parties involved, and those people you posted the reviews of, were part of the mailing list
>>343067515
>those people you posted the reviews of
What did I post again? You're making no sense
>>343065026
A 3 hour long good game beats a 50 hour long bad game any day.
>>343067483
>>343067365
>>343064897
>Ryan McFagfrey
Not surprised at all
>>343067582
why couldn't you play as a woman in Ghosts anyway
>>343067623
>3 Ben Kucheras
Blimey
>Xbone's best game is a four hour indie game also on PC
Don't forget to swallow, Xcucks
>>343067660
>Alien
>good
Okay anon
>>343067623
Yes, so what does an obscure Danish studio with 10 members making a good game have to do with this? Help me out here, I'm legitimately confused
This entire thread is bad form, and not only because it lacks an obligatory post of someone using GameName™ and exclamation marks.
I want you all to go outside and think about this, and come back.
>>343067515
Ah yes, the mailing list, the one you went through in its entirety and found nothing incriminating in, but which is still evidence of corruption because it totally could be.
>>343066526
No, gamergate only cares about women with dyed hair sleeping around
>>343067774
Its better than Firewatch.
Looks better. Sounds better. Controls better. Plays better. More gameplay mechanics, that gel better. Better textures. Better models. Longer game. Better written. Better voiced. Better music. Better ambient sound. Better AI. Better everything, in every way.
Its basically Firewatch++++++, yet its rated lower than Firewatch.
>>343064897
>it's impossible for a game that is small in scope to be good lol
fuck off
On the other hand it wouldn't surprise me if Inside is anything but overrated, based off of LIMBO and its critical reaction
I bet he sounds like that other pussy who got triggered by the game with guns
>>343067657
Official stance is STRAIGHTO WHITU MARU PIGGU GO HOMU but moderation is non-existent.
So how is Inside a bad game?
>>343068051
we dont know cause its not out and nobody here has played it yet
>>343068001
Oh man, haven't been to that place in what, a year?
>>343068051
Because it isn't out there.
>>343068017
NU-MALE
Limbo was a pretty good game, ill probably play this
>>343068158
>>343068051
because [insert clever joke with the word inside here]
>>343068191
Is that what Shaggy is called these days? I can't keep up with your kids and all your hip, happening lingo.
>>343068158
What I wanna know is where's the caveman
>>343068001
>Caring about Ghazi
Hi, Gamergate!
>>343066178
really makes you think
>>343068325
>Caring about Gamergate
Hello Ghazi!
>>343068324
>Watch me swooce right in!
>10/10 - "Swooce!" IGN
>>343067695
because women make shit soldiers
>>343068001
those spergs still kicking?
So what do we have here?
Cinematic walking simulator with some puzzles?
Some sad dead people drama?
Involving a kid and his father?
I never read anything about this game. Tell me how close i'am.
short easy games are critic bait
vidya form of oscar bait
>>343067928
oh man, ppl still fighting over this shit. I pity you losers still going at each other
>>343065986
>you pay to watch movies
stop while you are ahead
>neogaf plebs trying to shitpost and pretend gamergate was ever about feminism
>neogaf plebs trying to shill their terrible poorly written game review articles on 4chan, the home of child pornography, gore, murder porn, and piracy
>samefags sit here trying to have moral crusade over professional victims
This is the greatest game I've ever played.
I'm.noy kidding at all
>>343066218
Holy shit, it's $20
>Limbo
>great
yeah just like Braid lmao
Got to play the demo through a friendfrom a video game review site, here's my impressions: it's literally more Limbo, in 2.5d, with an actual story this time. The art style and animations are fucking amazing, but it's the same puzzle platformer/physics gameplay as Limbo, with some stealth elements. Not sure about length, played the second level through in about half an hour. Probably not a 10, but a really nice game if you're into that sort of gameplay.
>>343068701
Well they're trying every now and then. Last time I checked the operation irc it was pretty dead though.
Most of the obvious SJW comments these days, are made by individuals who simply get buttmad just thinking 4chan and can't sleep until trying to btfo at least one "bigoted" comment. Emphasis on 'trying'. I think most ops are over by now. Some of them just developed an obsession with 4chan and can't stop coming here.
Doesn't help that many shitposters copy SJW lingo unironically.
>>343067294
I liked that alien isolation was so long simply in that it made the player actually suffer. It made the experience feel more real to me because if could relate to Amanda
>>343069012
>Tell me how close i'am.
With that generic shit you could be relatively close to anything sherlock
>>343069426
Yea that's sad isn't it?
>>343067928
Oh hey it's that faggot from /qa/ who was bitching about Paper Mario!
You still haven't given me that neogaf account by the way. Are you a janitor/mod as well?
>>343069338
This was my impressions just from watching the gameplay, I'll probably nab it as I did enjoy limbo
So what's the twist?
>>343069617
You're the Zodiac killer
>>343066212
A game like Rocket Knight Adventures is good enough to be worthy of a 10/10 and it isn't a long game at all, fuck off RPG shitter
>>343069160
>he doesn't go to the theatre to watch new movies with his friends
sad life.
>>343069302
Except Braid was great.
Even if you don't buy the whole firebombing of Dresden/you're the aggressor subplot and pretentious story, it's a fun and challenging puzzle game.
If this was a ps4 exclusive it would have a 100 metacritic score.
We should make a petition .
I don't even wabt to check the PC version, I'm sure that already has a bunch of zeros on the user score.
>>343069772
>him and his friends can afford to watch new movies
Try not to choke on your quail and caviar up there in your ivory tower, prick.
Oh wow, a 2D platformer came out!?
Are we a legitimate artform yet?
>>343067621
And an 80 hour great game beats both
>>343064897
10/10 really makes you think
>>343065743
I really hated limbo. This one ia legitimately good. Try the demo at least . Trust me, I'm a stranger .
Not out until tomorrow though
>>343070374
>>Still trying to pretend it wasn't
The only ones who made it about that where the people who wanted it for the sake of misdirection and the actual handful of idiot sexists who couldn't be tactful to save their lives.
>>343065986
>video games are movies
Also >>movies are always less than 3 hours
>>343064897
>Ryan "XBot" McCaffrey gives an XBone game a 10
Why the surprise?
I assume the story is about the kid coming out as a homosexual muslim or something.
>>343066212
Wonder what it's like being born in a post 9/11 world.
>undertale 10/10
>inside 10/10
>>343070503
Name 5 games that are like that, I'll wait.
>>343064897
>lol
Fuck off.
>>343070868
You're not very bright are you?
>>343065986
>you pay the same amount or more for them
Nigger a movie ticket is ~$12, Inside is $20
>>343067621
Then why are mobas so popular zozzle
>>343070916
I'm brighter than all of gamergate combined.
>>343070917
I'd pay 20 dollars to see a great film.
>>343070152
>>343070674
>>343070868
you two are sad individuals fighting over a movement long dead
>>343070857
Really makes you think...
>Limbo
>great
>trial and error: the game
>Building upon what made Limbo """great"""
>10/10
Oh lads
oooh lads....
>>343070858
Morrowind
The Witcher 3
GTA (any)
Fallout New Vegas
Any Obsidian classic CRPG
>>343068513
But anon, CoD isn't real.
>>343064897
>person likes gaem
how dare he
>>343070916
Oh I'm sure you are.
>>343071038
You're right. This discussion is pointless. I'll stop.
he gave the walking simulator firewatch 9.3/10, then gave a 2d walking simulator 10/10.
Limbo was free on xbox and pc, I played it, it's unique with the deaths. That shit surprised me and I laughed at them, but the game is boring as hell and is 3 hours long. I would rather buy cosmetics then pay for this shit
>>343071029
>moving the goalposts
>based on nothing but your own opinion
wew
>>343071120
>GTA
>80 hours
Hidden package collection is just too much fun!
>>343070790
I agree.
They should let Greg Miller or Brian Altamo or Max Scoville review it.
Those guys hate xbox and Nintendo !
Sony is he only good guy corporation out there.
>>343071101
exactly, I enjoyed the deaths, but the first 10 minutes triggered me when I climbed the tree and jumped off to die, I climbed again, solved the puzzle, but missed the branch and died again. Wasted 10 minutes. I didn't even beat it, got to the part with the leech on head and quit because the trial and error part of walking backwards wasted a 1 minute just to look for the answer everytime, fuck that
>>343071242
Then what is the objective monetary value of a video game? Time played? Should then games like FTL or Stardew Valley cost more than 60 dollars because they generally keep people entertained for more than 6-8 hours like your average AAA title?
>>343064897
Western developers and media have teamed up and successfully divorced the gameplay from the experience
It works like a charm. As a developer you don't have to:
- design levels
- hire a good artist
- hire a good animator, or animate at all
- bother with gameplay other than "hold W to go forward" or if you're going really deep, mouselook
As a journalist:
- you can do away with the chore before the afternoon's over and go back to tweeting, virtue signalling for new gigs.
>>343064897
>IGN
>>343071421
>Sony is he only good guy corporation out there.
More like good goy.
You Sonyshills will stop at nothing.
>>343071101
Yeah, it can be objectivelly proven that Limbo is not a good game simply by looking at its design tenets. It doesn't work on any level as an interactive piece of media. Of course, clickbait bloggers don't look at games that way. They need to mature else they are too gamey.
>>343068383
,,,huh...
>>343071549
>moving the goalposts AGAIN
I called you out for saying a movie ticket is more expensive than inside you autist.
Don't try and regurgitate the same argument for something different and expect me to get suckered in to arguing something completely besides my point.
>>343071373
The average person who isn't a compete bore will probably artificially inflate the game's length to about that by virtue of it's open world and the general appeal of fucking about, but you're right. I wouldn't call it an 80 hour game.
>>343071682
So puzzle platforming isn't gameplay?
>First the nintencucks celebrate fe fates
>Then star ocean 5 gets shit scores
>Now the xcucks and pcucks get a good game not on my beloved PS4 for months
DELETE THIS THREAD NOW! THIS IS A SONY ONLY BOARD!
>>343064897
>still reading reviews
>>343065986
Movies are shit
>>343064897
Only an underage nigger would think that a 2D indie game can't be good.
where is the fucking torrent??
>>343071865
>I didn't make the original post
>If the average movie is 2 hours long, that makes it around $6 an hour
>Inside is 3 hours long (some people have said 4) if you apply similar metric you get $18 worth of value
You're right, the devs should knock 2 dollars of the asking price.
>>343071890
>puzzle
Designed by a company that proved they have no idea how puzzles work?
>Here' have three holes
>Two lead to grisly deaths, one advances the plot
>Now solve this puzzle
>>343072093
The game isn't out yet you inbred
>>343064897
>Generic, unoriginal indie games getting perfect score
What else is new?
people actually payed $20 for firewatch and another $20 for inside and $30 for gone home
>>343071373
Then replace it with any grand strategy game.
>>343066780
>I'm
Fuck off
>>343072381
Can you give me an example of what you're talking about? It's been a while since I've played Limbo, but I primarily remember time-based/platforming/physics puzzles.
>>343072132
>I didn't make the original post
Then you should've said that in the first place so I could've ignored you and your shit opinion
>If the average movie is 2 hours long, that makes it around $6 an hour
>Inside is 3 hours long (some people have said 4) if you apply similar metric you get $18 worth of value
Where do you get this fucked up logic from. And when did I ever say that Inside was priced too high. I called out some guy for saying that a movie was more expensive than Inside and now you're sperging out about it and still trying to get me to argue something completely besides my point despite the fact that I already said I'm not going to do it.
Stop posting any time
>>343071998
Americans can't into 2D platformers.
They spend 99% of the time autistically tweaking the graphics to try to make their bad taste in art look impressive at least, and forget completely about balancing and tweaking the gameplay until it actually feels good.
>>343072502
post memes or fuck offits like you dont know where you are
>>343067928
>which is why GeepersGreepers spend all of their time talking about her
Who the fuck talked about Quinn more than two weeks after the five guys incident?
>>343064897
Maybe it's actually that good?
Play before you comment on the score.
>>343071421
>Unnecessary space before punctuation
I see you.
>>343072770
looks like floaty shit from the trailer
>>343072609
I was thinking about tons of 'lel you died' moments that were supposed to bring about the ominous nature of the game world but amounted to trial and error gameplay. Compare it to Another World where the game gives you time to see the danger, even running a mini-cinematic when it shows up (the panther), then you have no option but to run away, but that option need not kill you if you don't fumble.
Name a flaw with Inside if you don't think it deserves a 10/10.
>>343072598
Sorry, which pronoun would you have preferred?
>>343072883
Again, actually play it first.
I'm not saying it's good, just that it's literally stupid to pan is as shit without actually playing it yourself.
>>343072892
Every danger was pretty clearly shown anon.
I don't recall any guess work.
>>343070858
Final Fantasy (pick your favourite)
Dragon Quest (same as above)
Star Ocean 2
Mana Khemia
Any SMT game
There. I named 5 without even resorting to sequels to pad the numbers
>>343065926
So, this will be more than enough to stand it, even have 2 more hours to do something else.
>>343072745
Gamergate.
Try two years after the incident.
>>343072986
No game deserves a 10/10
>>343072892
You could see danger in LIMBO, and you were even taught what things do before you encountered them.
The only time where LIMBO had the bullshit trial and error was where you're running across the roofs and random electricity floor turns on.
>>343072892
Yeah, there was plenty of that now that I think of it. I guess I didn't mind that seeing that I enjoyed Super Meat Boy
>>343066212
This guy gets it.
>>343073137
But there is no trial and error in Meat Boy, it's muscle memory.
>>343066212
>I believe in needless padding!
>>343065986
>you pay the same amount or more for them
>>343065020
> video game board
> largest video game review site ever made
Gee I dont know anon
ITT Games that are shit because they aren't 30+ hours long
>>343064897
Why do people even take IGN into consideration? Their """reviews""" have always been the bottom of every joke, giving 9-10 to any shit that looks pretty or is popular at the moment.
>>343073248
Or, you know, lasting and engaging content.
When did /v/ get filled with casuals?
Well, it don't matter that much as it won't sell as well as a good game would and the sites will just lose their credibility a bit more.
>>343073517
>Multi quotes
Your point is correct, but stop that nonsense.
>>343066212
Most VNs and narrative puzzle games wouldn't be as good if they were 30 hours long,let alone 60.
>>343066212
I see your point but I disagree, because it leads to way too much filler. Just look at the trend of open world games and how full they are of senseless fetch quests and procedurally generated caves.
I prefer games around 15-20 hours but with a fuckton of replayability where you can actually do different things in another playthrough.
>>343065026
This mentality is why video games will never be an art medium.
>>343073731
Who cares?
>>343073820
>year of our lord
>having low standards
just
>>343073731
>>343073964
>it's only art if it's 2deep4u and sacrifices gameplay
How's your first year of college treating you?
>>343073731
They won't be until the people reviewing can actually be critics instead of having such a self-serving interest in the industry. Most people in the industry are still trying to prove that their lives aren't wasted on children's toys, so they hand out 10/10 to any pretentious puzzle walking sim to show their parents and other adults that what they do isn't a joke.
>>343073964
Being viewed as an art medium has no intrinsic value. It just promotes circle jerking and pretentiousness. Just like film.
>>343074178
I didn't realize Inside sacrificed its gameplay. Can you give an example of this?
>>343064897
no game should get a 10/10
10/10 means its perfect and no game is
>>343074325
You're moving the goalpost.
Anon was referencing the idea of being viewed as an art form, not the subject of the OP itself.
>>343064897
it probably just has some stupid memorable twist that makes retards think it's amazing just because it blew their mind regardless if the rest of the game was garbage.
>>343072892
Is trial and error really even an invalid approach to designing a puzzle game?
I mean, in a game like IWBTG where the game punishes too many errors with starting over or something, sure.
But Limbo doesn't really take issue with you dying, deaths reload quickly and you lose very little in the way of progress. The idea is to learn by doing (and dying), same way the idea in any puzzle game is to try things that don't work until you can learn enough about the puzzle to do the thing that DOES work.
I don't think there's ever been a good puzzle game NOT based on this approach. The closest you can get to a well-designed puzzle without trial and error is bullshit like in the Zelda games where you push the only pushable block into the only place you can push it, until the chimes sound and you're allowed to progress.
>>343073232
And that's somehow better? In the end, you're still doing the same thing multiple times.
>>343074486
Give me an example of a game that sacrificed its gameplay in order to be more artsy.
>>343066553
Is length one of those things that define a video game? What is the length of a videogame by definition then?
>>343074719
The Order: 1886
it's really go tho, too bad it's just 4 hours.
>>343074719
Bioshock Infinite
>>343066178
I say because all of those games are shit. No video game that attempted to be a fucking movie and video game hybrid ever had good gameplay.
