Rift or Vive?
>>343026832
$800 vs the same shit at $600
Tough choice
None, fuck off with this meme.
>>343027121
When motion controls come out for rift itll be the same price tho
>>343027269
Who cares about motion controls though? You're buying a VR headset not a Wii.
Post yfw you didn't fall for the VR meme and have $600+ for anything else.
>>343026832
Vive is better.
>>343027407
You're an actual retard.
>>343026832
neither.
let early adopters sort shit out, get gen 2.
but right now Rift, because I tried both headsets and I like Rift more
>>343027527
>>343027530
>says the mongoloid shit eater who thinks VR is for wagglan faggotry
Neither right now. Wait at least till rift releases its motion controllers to see how they compare with vive. By then maybe there might actually be some worthwhile games, which right now there is a real lack of.
>>343027527
Post yfw not a poorfag
>>343027527
>mfw I have a job that pays me well enough that an $800 purchase is not an issue, in fact can make several a yr with no fucks given.
Feels good
>mfw my 1080GTX FTW arrives tomorrow to go along with my Vive I got 2 months ago.
Feels good
Rift.
Those touch controllers look more comfy and functional and a fuck load oftimed exclusives that was funded from Oculus
I wouldn't buy either but if I was forced to buy one of them, I'd buy the rift because I don't want to have to drill holes in my walls and have ugly power cables coming down from the light house thing to the floor just to play a game. It completely ruins the look of whatever room you're putting it in.
>>343027636
>>343028227
>>343028362
Let's not pretend like it'll be difficult at all for modders to make any "exclusive" game work with any headset.
>>343028514
There already is a way.
ReVive
Palmer is a lying sack of shit.
Get a Vive
>>343028658
The most recent update it is working.
>>343028703
who really gives a shit though?
>>343028658
and it fixed to work again hours later.
>>343028703
>Palmer lying
He isn't making the decisions you silly goose but he obviously has good intentions.
>>343028703
Gabe is just as bad if not worse
>>343026832
Rift. It's the better headset.
Most fags get tired of roomscale "games" because IT'S THE SAME WAGGLAN SHIT NINTENDO TRIED.
>>343028906
>More features
>Bad
>>343028869
How you memeshitter?
For the past like 6 months Oculus has been a PR nightmare. It's what has allowed the vive to gain so much ground.
Who would have thought the major suit controlled corporation would end up being the good guys.
>>343027121
>same shit
no roomscale
no vive controllers
>>343029141
>worthless wagglan gimmicks
>Poorfags shilling the Oculus Thrift
If I didn't have to pay for either, I'd get the Vive. However I don't really want to drop $1000 on one of those until they have top tier eye tracking inside the headsets & foveated rendering.
It would make for more immersive vidya when the games can actually tell where your eyes are looking on the screen, and also have much lower system requirements so they could sell a lot more units.
>>343029089
How is Gabe any less of a scumbag, you retarded valve fanboy?
>>343029418
DAMN SENPAI THAT MEME IS HOT DANK MEME ALERT
So what content can I play with them? No point in buying a paperweight if there's nothing interesting to play.
VR fucked up the moment the extra motion control shit showed up.
>>343029418
>State fact
>Called out by some crusading Reddit Knight of the Bernie Kingdom
>>343029191
only worthless cause most games were designed to do no better than Wii. Only Valve's really serious in actually making use of what's available with Vive. Hover junkers isn't done well enough to make you go wow over it and Brookhaven experiment could've been done with you sitting still.
I own Vive and tried out Oculus Rift retail btw.
>>343029689
As a vive owner are you saying OR is the better choice?
>>343029645
No. It fucked up the moment people thought they should just limit themselves to the Wii model over the extra control shit and demand $40 out of me to use it.
Saying this as someone who's beta testing with $800 given to Gaben.
>>343029682
>ad hominem
>rift being a PR nightmare somehow changes the fact that the end product is better and cheaper and doesn't make you pay $200 for wagglan bullshit
>buying a product because some fat piece of shit that you like to meme about is selling it
Kill yourself retard.
>>343029861
I will be honest. If all you want is to play racing sim or war thunder, then you should consider Rift. It's harder to get that sweet spot with the Vive.
If you wear specs, then Vive is more comfortable than the Rift.
If you want roomscale, then Vive wins due to implementation model. Rift requires you to connect the camera to the PC so you have a longer cable run for the additional cameras, which simply isn't a concern for Vive.
>>343029995
>Wahhhhhhhhhh those ebil companies are trying to make money again!
I have the Vive, Gotta say I'm having a hard time finding a game that makes me go wow but, I do enjoy the visuals a lot. On the flip side, Space pirate trainer is more fun than I thought and probably one of my more favorite games.
>>343026832
neither, waiting for gen 2-3
>>343030134
Space pirate trainer is fun. There's just so much utter pos or techdemos up that you really wonder why only Valve has done anything serious with Vive.
>>343029645
This, Valve is absolute cancer
>>343027982
Yeah but can you see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?and does all that money help when deep down you know you're as dead on the inside as I am
>>343030161
Waiting sure sounds fun, enjoy it poorfag
>>343030075
are you retarded? you're proving his point, with this line of of thinking the argument about Oculus being evil just falls apart.
>>343030474
Faggot
>>343030223
Wouldn't have a list of good games would you?
how good is the vr porn?
>>343030593
It's okay anon... I want to escape too.
>>343030531
I bought the dev kits, more or less I know I'm not going to get any Caprica, Neuromancer, Snow Crash type apps for several years. Just waiting till something interesting comes along.
>games
>porn
nah
>>343029191
>never used it
That's like saying your hands are worthless wagglan appendages.
>>343030721
Can someone answer this?
There are no good games out for either platform and it's going to stay that way for a while.
All that really matters is this:
>Which one gives the superior VR Porn experience?
>>343030721
Gives you a good idea where the technology can lead, things like 3d body scans, virtual venues, clubs have yet to be implemented in any substantial way.
Porn is going to be so badass in a few years, right now it's pretty cave manish.
>>343029879
this
"motion" controls go hand in hand with vr. if the display is making you feel like you're really in another place, the most natural-feeling control scheme will be one that lets you physically reach into that virtual space to interact with it.
hand movement is fine, but until the entire body is tracked from all sides we still need buttons and sticks for inputs. buttons could probably be substituted with gestures, but leg motion is the real kick in the nuts and probably impossible without one of those omnidirectional treadmills or similar setups.
but when they eventually figure out how to plug shit into your brain, you'll not need any of this clunky shit and VR will basically be controlled dreaming
>>343030669
Let's leave the FO4VR and Doom VR aside.
War Thunder, Elite:dangerous, Space Pirate Trainer.
You get Fantastic contraption with the Vive as a bonus right now. sort of meh, but not the worst.
>>343030773
What about using it for actual games, rather than VR shovelware?
>>343031162
Neural input tech is in development for people who have lost limbs and such, my wallet is ready at the first sign of commercial casual consumer use.
>>343031314
The Nip porn game scene have demonstrated the best use of VR. Custom Maid 3D2 got roomscale working so you can fuck you're loli doggy style, with a USB onahole at that.
>>343031314
>games
I quoted you sources of what I'm looking for. My interest ends there.
>>343031275
I'll have to give Elite dangerous a whirl. I stopped because I saw the reviews but, after looking at it and getting this, I'll give it a shot.
On the flip side, Subnautica is nice but, Only has OR support. you can still get it working with the Revive software and it looks pretty good.
I have yet to see if I can get it working with arma or squad so, we'll see. I just wish that Vr wasn't treated as a platform for releases and was instead treated like a monitor.
>>343027682
I have a rift and it feels incomplete without motion controls. Why the hell would you call motion controls waggle? That was the Wii where the games made you waggle the controller as a buttton. Motion controls for VR are 1:1 representations of your hand positions in the world with the headset on.
/v/ Doesn't quite understand just how well depth is represented in VR. I've played about 10 hours of Euro Truck Sim 2 in VR and the sense of depth for every object is incredibly realistic. I would say the depth in VR is nearly perfect except that for some reason, it hurts my eyes to focus on small objects 2 inches or so from my face. The only thing VR needs to break through from an experimental technology to an amazing new medium is a higher resolution screen.
Right now everything far away very pixelated with such low res screen. I suggest everyone wait until we get 4k or higher headsets with eye tracking. The eye tracking will allow the graphics to be higher quality where you're looking and lower quality in your peripheral vision so graphics cards can handle high res.
If you're going to buy one now, I would say get the rift because it's a better value with an Xbox controller, built in headphones (convience). But that's only if you can wait for the motion controls.
>>343031113
I played custom maid 2 3d in VR and it hard to describe just how crazy it is to be able to literally get on the floor and look up the maid's skirt. I will say that the Vive would be better at the moment though, since motion controls would be nice since I see you can actually each out and play with the maid's hair if you have them.
>>343029418
how is that anything other than a completely neutral statement.
I bet you're one of those retards that thinks steam is DRM. stay misinformed you professional contrarian.
>>343031756
/v/ BTFO again
>>343030721
The porn is amazing the first few times.
I've only got a Gear VR so I've not done any roomscale stuff, but the porn I've watched on it is usually something like: the guy (you) sits on a chair or lies on a bed while one or more sluts walk in and do nice things to his (your) penis.I also tried a lesbian one that put you in one of the girls' pov, it was definitely weird but interesting
I say the first few times because you do get used to it, but holy smokes it was something else. I can't remember the last time I felt bewildered because of porn. After the first time, I was legitimately excited to go back and do it again.
That said, I would not invest $600+ into a porn machine. If you get any of these things, make sure it can do other shit you're interested in.
![Naughty_America_VR_2015_09_16_Abella_Danger__When_Dad_Leaves__Desktop_HD.mp4_snapshot_02.54_[2016.06.28_00.46.24].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l5Pougc.jpg "Naughty_America_VR_2015_09_16_Abella_Danger__When_Dad_Leaves__Desktop_HD.mp4_snapshot_02.54_[2016.06.28_00.46.24].jpg")
>>343030721
What does this look like in vr?
I only see listing for gearVR and occulus rift.
so htc vive doesn't support it?
>>343031756
What's the point if you're only going to feel the controller in your hand anyway? No feedback whatsoever. You can't "touch" anything. You're going to want to reach out and grab objects, but having motion controllers in your hands isn't going to help that feeling, because you're already grabbing 2 shitty pieces of plastic, which are also going to hinder movement in actual games. It's worthless.
>>343032212
can you look around in the scenes?
>>343032289
>Now with Jew-vision!
>>343026832
>do I wanna be a cuck or a bigger cuck
>>343032149
Well said Gabenlover420, 3 tf2 hats have been deposited to your steam account
>>343032412
Yeah. Most of them have at least 180 degrees fov so you can glance around.
It's actually somewhat necessary for a lot of it because you've got someone riding your dick and they're sitting on your lap in virtual space, so they're so close to you that you can't see all of them on the display. You have to tilt your view to see their face or tits or naughty bits.
>>343032396
It's not worthless. They're a necessary evil for games that aren't just roller coasters. You need a thing to hold that has an analog stick on it so you can move your character around.
You still have to reach your arms out into virtual space to do stuff, which is a step in the right direction. They COULD do something like the Kinect or Leap Motion to just track your empty hands for gestures and such, but then you'd need some other solution for moving your character around the level. At the moment, having a thing to hold with an analog stick is the best option.
Tried Vive. Can't imagine it without roomscale. It really does go a long ways toward immersion.
But honestly I'd say it's something everyone should try, but not necessarily buy. It really could use better resolution and glare reduction. It's the sort of thing you really want to wait for the second generation unless the money doesn't matter to you at all.
>>343033149
>put a shit cam facing your hands in the headset
>suddently BOOM... use your own hands and fingers instead of cone holders
>can make analog imputs
>????
>profit
>>343033403
this exists already
explain how i use it to walk forward in a game
>>343033403
Already can do that
moving around is still the problem.
>>343033570
>>343033627
Did you paid for a "roomscale" walking??
KEK.
also.
>can track my hands
>because or unknown reasons, i cant hold a controller now
This start to smell as viveshills.
>>343033731
no, you fucking moron
>screen on face
>cameras tracking hands
how do i make my character walk around a level with only this equipment? what is your substitute for an analog stick or WASD inputs?
this is an argument for having a controller in your hand, not roomscale VR
>>343033731
You trying to pull some sort of double jew bluff or are you retarded?
>>343032786
hey man great counter argument.
meanwhile
http://www.digitaltrends.com/virtual-reality/virtual-reality-and-exclusivity/
>>343033886
>roomscale is useless and you could just use any wireless controller instead
>>343033886
>use controller or kbm to play the game normally
>whenever needed, take your hand and reach to do whatever
Wow that was hard
>>343033627
this shit uses an arm band to track your fingers and palm. not vive camera, camera is just to see outside, and it's a single camera, so no depth perception on this image
>>343027734
You don't have to be poor to not want to waste $800 on a fucking gimmick.
>>343033982
yes goy, dont let this retards know about 3d printers and better and also cheaper solutions for all this
>inb4 muh exclusive titles in muh exclusive library
Top kek.
>>343034254
there is a little camera wich goes in front of the vive to do the same.
>>343033993
Rift is paying for the development of these games, why should they pay the devs to make them compatible with other headsets?
>Related: HTC Vive preorders are now live! Here’s how to reserve yours
lmao, couldn't find a shillier article?
>>343026832
Vive looks more sci-fi/cyberpunk future tech so that one.
>>343034552
except it doesn't. chaperone is there to see outside without taking off the headset, it doesn't possess finesse needed to do this sort of operation, it's just 1 camera to tell you where the walls are.
demo in the webm shows off an arm band
Vive all the way for me. I use mine on the daily since I got it at the start of the month. My it blows my rift out of the water in ease of use and content. Now as for content, there isn't a ton out there right now but the initial experience is going to blow you out of the water.
If you want to get up and be more active with a lot of arcade-like experiences, VR definitely has that to offer. For immersive, mechanics driven games with compelling stories? Yeah, no, they don't exist quite yet but I feel there will certainly be some releases in consumer gen1 that will be worth it, Fallout 4 VR will certainly be something to experience and with that I am sure other AAA titles will come.
For now, it's a good cardio workout that's fun, I spend a couple hours a day playing games like holopoint, audioshield, space pirate trainer. If you've a creative side, tilt brush can take up hours of your time.
If you do not find new tech fascinating to begin with, I don't suggest this. You'll be an early adopter and it has its cons.
>>343026832
neither
they're both shitty expensive gimmicks
>>343034754
they are pushing a closed devkit that only lets games made using it run on oculus approved devices, which of course is only the rift.
vive uses an open source sdk that plays nice with everything, even the rift
it's as simple as that.
>>343033627
>>343034254
>>343034552
>>343034952
All wrong but funny, the referenced video is using Leapfrog to track hand motions.
>>343035195
Im talking about this shit.
>>343035050
I do find it fascinating but I'm not at all interested in gimmicky games made specifically for VR, I'm more interested in being immersed in existing games, like GTA or TES games for example. Would you say it's viable?
neither until some good games come out, games r SHIT right now
>>343035564
A shill would say no.
The rest would say "its the reason why this shit exist to begin with.
With devkits you could do only that, there was no games then, now they are, so no one gives a fuck about playing existing games, or at least the big mass of people who bought this.
Simfags found a way years ago with the Dk1, improve the screen among other changes to make it even better than the actual customer versions of both vive and rift.
>>343030474
Naw man, I got past that dead on the inside phase a while ago. It is a phase, you will come out of it. Just don't hook up and marry a self centered bitch, that my friend is the rung below dead inside.
Thank god I avoided that, but lost a few friends to a few. I see the look in their eyes, it says "please, come kill me in my sleep. Or better yet, wound me and kill her"
And damn right cinnamon toast crunch is tasty.
>>343035564
VorpX does let you do this kind of, but the performance penalty is pretty big.
>>343032289
I got this one, it is good. Yeah it works great with the Vive. All you gotta do is use Whirligig and you are set for any vid in VR.
>>343035786
Yeah, too many people in these threads are always talking about those shitty smartphone tier games now and it's killing the hype
>>343035564
You can play these games to some extent, the awkward FoV and lack of proper UI support for VR are the biggest down sides. It can still be done and is still a lot of fun but it does take awhile to get used to.
>>343032289 VR porn will destroy your dick, anon. And VR video works with pretty much any device, you just download a player to view it with.
>buying into the first generation of commercial VR
>>343036398
I would say its already ded.
Instead of develop stuff like vorpx did, they put money into retarded hipster devs, and this is the result.
Vorpx is a company wich sells the driver injector to play like 400+ games, and both oculus and htc have facebook tier games.
>>343032396
You whiny tween fuck. Look haptic response is what the fuck you are talking about and that my idiot friend is a long ways off from being sold at toys r us for you to get your mom to buy you. Yeah you want to reach out and squeeze a virtual tit and see if it feels like your moms do, but for now a controller in your hand is gonna be your best bet. Or, you can at least get this far:
Once again another reason why the Vive is better. Now you can see your hands and fingers.
https://manus-vr.com/product
>>343036775
>There are sculpt hardware to actually have feedback of what you are making
It just a matter of time.
according to VR enthusiasts Vive blows Oculus away. I don't know the specifics but nearly every person that I know who owns both sings the Vive's praises. If you're gonna drop $600+ on a 1st gen memetoy then drop another $200 to get the definitive experience I guess. Or just wait for 2nd gen shit and better software.
>>343036775
>Once again another reason why the Vive is better. Now you can see your hands and fingers.
This shit is already possible on any headset using a front facing camera, retard
>>343032396
I agree. I think they could've easily made gloves that track finger movement instead of those controllers, they have the technology.
>>343036775
That was the point of the post you stupid condescending cunt, motion controls are pointless until there is actual feedback.
>>343038183
kek
Vive.
You actually will enjoy motion controls because they're 1:1.
>there are idiots ITT who would not only pay $600 for a gimmick, they would add another $200 for an even gimmickier gimmick ontop of the gimmick
>>343032396
>what's the point of learning of to walk if I cant just start running right away?
Dude. Almost everybody who tried the Vive said it's great. Immersion is so much deeper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9QyEejKhMI
>>343038427
>how women work
>>343038183
Not out of the box. You could build a better VR than the vive if you were an electronic engineer, yeah. But the average consumer cant.
You can easily make breaded chicken, and yet people buy frozen chicken stick all the time.
>>343039392
>all this casual shilling
poor cuck.
>>343039960
Have you even tried a single VR headset?
>>343027121
>No motion controllers
>Same
>No wheels on your car
>Same as all the others
Do any of these even have good games? As an uninformed person, it just looks like the difference between a Dell or Lenovo
>mfw I fell for the VR meme
Ready for some Sword Art Online type of MMOs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eB5690djVg
>>343040054
Tried all, even older generations, this guy instead...
>i never had VR before
>call it VR
>never used it
I kept my dk2 and im thinking about a custom build for the next one, unless the next gen have enough pixel density, i dont use this to play facebook games, and i use this "VR" shit since 2007.
>>343040330
Now because of vorpx and other 3rd party software, both can be used in lots of existing games.
Forget about the library games, they are worse than candy crush.
>>343026832
>rift: sitting down move your head simulator
>vive: sit down or stand up and move around WITH CONTROLLERS that simulate guns etc
welp
also rift just recently stopped being cunts about software/rift DRM
>>343036636
This.
>>343040259
>>343040481
>rift: play actual games, with immersion
>vive: GET UP MOVE AROUND WORK OUT GIMMICKS GIMMICKS YEAH MOTION CONTROLS WAGGLAN SHOVELWARE AWESOME XD TOTALLY WORTH ANOTHER $200
>>343026832
It doesn't yet have a high enough resolution. I've used both, and while I prefer the rift, they'd both be much better in 4k, and would be near perfect at 8. Don't get me wrong its still cool and fun right now, but it just isn't ready yet. Wait 2-3 years. If you are absolutley eager to buy one right now your choice does not matter. You either buy the Vive and get the motion controls now, or buy the Oculus and get them later. They are both practically subpar.
>>343040838
What if you downsample from 4k?
>>343041064
Pentile displays dosent help you there, dosent help you at all, but that samsung contract for the screens was very juicy.
Full RGB stripes were too expensive.
Vive, it comes with motion controls, doesn't require you to stay inside camera's zone to play, has larger FoV, doesn't require to additional store software and doesn't try to lock down its library like a filthy jew.
>>343027982
>Not upgrading graphics cards every time the Ti versions come out
Moron
>>343039896
I'll be honest even games like this with crappy graphics seems to be fun enough to play around with a VR set, I would have bought one already if it wasn't way too expensive right now
>>343026832
VR is going nowhere.
expensive
No games
no one cares
No one asked for it
Makes people feel sick
gimmick
>>343041892
I believe that webm shows the DK2 version, not CV1. Graphics don't actually look crappy because of the headset.
>>343041918
>no one cares
Simfags do.
>no one asked for it
Again... all this was because of simfags.
>makes people feel sick
If you have shit genes...
>>343041918
wrong
wrong
wrong
wrong if set up correctly
wrong
Any more, kiddo?
>>343038183
Yeah I have a leap as well. No fucking way it will track hand and finger movement as well as gloves will. Leap gets easily confused when you rotate your hands. Again, I OWN one so have played with it a lot.
Anyone who thinks the vive controllers are wagglan is just plain uninformed. Comparing them to the wii makes no sense.
>>343027734
>LOOK AT THIS 800$ BAG OF SHIT AND DICKS
>WAIT, YOU DONT WANT IT, WHAT ARE YOU SOME SORT OF POORFAG?
>>343042726
There's something called 30 day return policy which I took advantage of and promptly returned it to Microsoft store. I actually liked it, just not at that price.
>>343042307
fucking sims.
>>343042315
have fun with your vr
dont forget your fleshlight attachment little boy
>>343038421
But there not pointless now you useless estrogen curdling shitsack. You have 0 hrs on either device I can tell.
I took a dump this morning that had a more valid experienced based opinion on this topic than you do and I flushed that turd.
>>343042307
>>343042307
Sims aren't games according to a bunch of people. Simfags aren't gaming audience as such, so VR which has arrived for the simfags don't mean shit to their ilk.
>>343041918
You know that the computer mouse had the same exact arguments when Xerox sold it to Apple right?
>>343042896
>I've used them in some shitty two buck shovelware game/tech demo
>that makes them not pointless
kill yourself dumbass
>>343041431
The FTW will be sold to a friend when the TI comes out. I will upgrade then. Deal is already cemented. I take a small loss, he saves money and I am in a Ti for a small add-on fee.
Works for me. But I appreciate the concern for my purchase.
>>343043128
>$2
It's $20-$40, and that's a real issue we have with craptacular VR 'titles' right now.
>>343043080
a computer mouse isn't/wasnt a VR headset that cost 500 bucks.
>>343029995
>end product is better and cheaper
it has lower stats than the vive though, and they've fallen through on every promise they've ever made. how can you back a company you can't trust to do the simplest things they said they will, such as, dont be a piece of shit and force exclusivity in a newborn market that could kill the medium before it even starts up.
>>343042897
same people who says that gone home is a game?
Lose condition is on sims, even more than "arcade" games, so those people should check what is a game, then what is a videogame.
It means simfags throwed all those multiple screens, canopy projectors and trackIR bullshit, and just put a HMD in their heads.
Dont give a fuck about roomscale.
Dont give a fuck about wii mote clones.
They do give a fuck about imput lag (wich was the selling point in this new gen), display density (this is still shit) and FoV (wich is not bad, but not as good as 180°)
>tfw people are actually excited for waggle cancer again
>>343043265
That's hilarious, how do they expect VR to take off with that kind of bullshit
>>343042835
>fucking sims
Yeah man, I mean shit they shouldn't be playing sims, instead they should be playing some cool japanese game, or some overwatch or zelda or some shit huh?
Fuck off you child. Sims are upper tier gaming.
>>343043298
The computer mouse was a gimmick when it came out. Nobody thought they wanted one. They had DOS and keyboards, why the hell would they need a weird piece of plastic.
And yeah, it costed a lot of money back in the days.
>>343042315
How is it wrong on the aspect of price? It's several hundred dollars for a headset at the moment. Maybe the PC enthusiast community will eat that shit up, but the bulk of the mainstream market isn't going to go anywhere near that.
>>343035091
I went to CVR 2016 and tried the vive, first time ever trying a VR headset.
Can someone explain to me why they must have those "eye" lenses that make 70% of my vision just blackness, with the game "inside" the holes? It completely ruins my immersion. I thought it would be different, like everything I saw was part of the game.
Does that have a name? Will that be improved upon? theres no "peripheral" vision, just two concentrated little screens and that completely killed my interest in VR. I thought it was way more advanced
>>343026832
anything not kikebook
>>343043546
B-but norton commander had mouse support...
>>343042897
According to a bunch of 'people' huh?
Lemme guess just who these people are. Hmm..
>>343029141
>no roomscale
>no vive controllers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty67YU_89sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnN6ORLmExo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdBC-FCjZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1E_rqaMgnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA0DtWADoAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Wb7i96_xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLrcZHZ14Yo
I love the misinformation in the VR community
>>343043665
Gimmicks do not mean bad. It mean new and not necessary.
>>343043484
>Sims are upper tier gaming.
I think sim games came in cereal boxes didnt they?
>>343043715
>need a separate custom controller that is fanmade
I can play with a Mouse and Keyboard on consoles too if I use a dongle.
>>343043128
Yeah exactly. Just like when you pay a hooker to one day pop your cherry, you will pick the 2 dollar whore. That always makes for a 'great' experience. The cheapest piece of crap you can find to try out for the 1st time..awesome dude.
Are you fucking retarded?
>wii comes out
>LOL WAGGLAN
>XD WAGGLE WAGGLE
>rift/oculus
>WHOA THIS IS AWESOME
Hello??
>>343043847
>need a separate custom controller that is fanmade
https://www.oculus.com/en-us/touch/
>>343043690
fags like this youtuber right here.
>>343039392
>i-its too difficult
>what all this buttons do?
>cant i just take off and kill shit with 100 missiles?
>>343043737
I can say the mouse was useless, even in early shooters because you used the mouse to move and not to look, and norton commander had Fx quick keys wich was more confortable than using the mouse.im from that era, and the one before with a commodore 64 and 128
>>343043907
It's not out yet.
>>343043298
You have no idea how much shit cost back in the day.
And you fucks bitch today.
>>343043715
They come separate and aren't even out yet, you dumb mother fucker. https://www.oculus.com/en-us/touch/
>>343043897
The Wii was not waggle. Waggle was wagfgle.
The wii had really really good uses of the Wiimote gyrocensors or pointer. FPS's on the Wii were much better than on the 360 and Ps3 in term of gameplay.
Waggle was to move the wiimote in random direction like with Super Mario Galaxy or many other games.
>>343043885
It is pointless until proven otherwise by a worthy game. You can stop shilling now, shit head.
>>343044009
I do fucks bitch today yes.
>>343029682
>state fact
Since when has the modding community been steered by profit?
>Called out by some crusading Reddit Knight of the Bernie Kingdom
All those buzzwords don't make anything he said less correct.
>>343044032
>>343043997
thats not the point, the point is they are coming and will provide a similar to better experience than vive
>>343026832
I own both. Vive has better input of course and you have Valve's open Lassez-faire attitude. Room-scale is really cool, but pretty much all the Vive centric stuff at the moment are shitty "experiences" and real rough indie games. I'm looking to FO4 VR to see how that experience translates to a real game, but that's a ways off.
On the other hand, Oculus has much, much better optics. For the actual games I've enjoyed the most (Project:Cars, Elite, Cronos, Edge of Nowhere) Rift has been better. But honestly, if you can wait to see how Oculus touch shakes out I'd suggest at least holding off till then. Even better if you can wait for gen 2 headsets.
>>343043835
Actually, you can try one of the best ever for free, check out DCS World. On Steam for free, well two planes to try. Then come back.
What sim did you find in your cereal box?
I am buying the Rift.
Mostly because of these. I know they are not out already but they seem to be better than Vive sticks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB5pdWO25ac
>>343044197
Sure. And the PS5 will have better graphics than the PS4.
But right now, if I want to buy a VR headset, I go with the Vive for the controllers.
Who knows how much the Oculus controllers will add to the cost? It might even cost more than the Vive.
>>343043897
>wii
>no tracking at all
>controllers simply say when it has moved, not how it moved or where it moved to etc.
>highly inaccurate resulting in gimmics and waggle
>VR
>controllers are tracked
>controllers report their place in physical space, current velocity, rotational velocity,, and rotation
>extremely accurate allowing 1:1 movement which in turn allows brand new game mechanics
>>343044295
>But right now, if I want to buy a VR headset, I go with the Vive for the controllers.
yes, right now
>Who knows how much the Oculus controllers will add to the cost? It might even cost more than the Vive.
seeing how the touch is designed to be more ergonomic and has simple finger tracking it would be worth the extra cost
>>343044295
>i chose a HMD because of its controllers
All this shilling.
>>343044009
This is true
I live like a windrammer as I fuck.
>>343044258
It was a long time ago but, you build a little home and watch your sim take shits and sleep and shower like all the others.
>>343044165
>Since when has the modding community been steered by profit?
are you autistic? he was talking about all communities not specifically the modding community.
money steers work in all communities but it was lacking in the modding community so they tried to integrate it.
some modders are supported by patreon so its not like he is wrong
>>343044454
controllers are a massive part of VR
whats the point of being in the world if you cant interact with it the way you want to.
>>343044423
What? The wiimote had tracking. The wii bar had two infrared lights. The wiimote looked at the infrared with the camera inside of it and knew it moved right or left. Sure it's not Vive level of tracking, but it did the job when it was about pointing a screen.
>>343044454
I dont have the Vive or Oculus. The vive is 1150 $ in Canada. I want one, and I'll get one at some point. But yeah, the controllers change everything.
>>343044524
>some modders are supported by patreon so its not like he is wrong
and the rest don't charge for gabe to take 70% of the cut, which means its not the modding community
fucking retard
>>343044598
What's the point indeed, I can't interact with it the way I want to with this tech at all.
>>343044685
if i make $2500 a month is worth it to get a vive? Is there anything I can actually do on it all day? Like spend 8 hours a day customizing waifus.
Basically id like to live in a virtual world like skyrim with all my mods and shit and just fap like crazy
>>343044135
'worthy'
Define worthy. I mean your definition, will really clear things up I feel. It will make it clear, what you think is worthy at least..right?
>>343044598
Maybe for you, Some just want the HMD alone, and avoid paying for extra bullshit they wont use.
>>343044768
how do you want to interact with the world?
>>343032149
>Gabe is for paid mods
>Makes a comment saying the community is fueled by profit, and this should also apply to the modding community
>completely neutral
You could have made a decent post if you weren't retarded
Whatever is best for porn.
>>343026832PSVR
Its objectively got the best lineup, best price point, most comfy and will definitely be the most successful, meaning more games being developed for it.
>>343044685
how autistic are you?
we are not specifically talking about the modding community.
money steers work in ALL communities, that is what he is saying.
do you understand the words I am writing?
>>343044815
Is your computer already up to par?
>>343044853
thats why rift has that option
>>343044858
Using the correct peripherials.
Unless you wont play games with specific hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p_NEqwoZic
>>343044685
>the people who support mods arent part of the community!
ebin
>>343044871
Offering the option for modders to charge money is a good idea.
They didnt force mods to go on the program. They literally said "If you want to start selling your piece of art, you now can and we take a cut, just like any store"
>>343044858
By feeling what I touch
>>343044871
how is this not nuetral?
hes not saying its good or bad, just saying thats how it is.
do you somehow disagree with the concept?
do you think people do not give money to companies they want to support?
>>343044894
i have a i7 and a gtx 560 ti
>>343044524
>money steers work in all communities but it was lacking in the modding community so they tried to integrate it.
that isn't necessarily true and the modding community definitely had no lack of quality content in the absence of a profit motive for so many years.
>some modders are supported by patreon so its not like he is wrong
thriving modding communities have existed long before patreon was ever a thing that isn't really a good point especially with it being completely optional to support a modders patreon unlike a paid mod.
>>343044893
>we
okay you fucking shill
go trim gabe's beard
>>343044970
>the way a minority of the community works represents the entirety of it
when I said 'its not the modding community', I meant as in the basis of Patron charging being the general consensus, not literally doesn't exist
>>343044815
>Like spend 8 hours a day customizing waifus.
>Basically id like to live in a virtual world like skyrim with all my mods and shit and just fap like crazy
It's not there yet. Waifu Simulator 1.4 is the closest but is still really limited. You're just posing, not really customizing. That's still a long ways off.
Wait for FO4 VR.
>>343044916
By pure luck, because when that motion controlles are aviable, it will be sold together, no single option.
Why valve didnt do that? Its just take stuff out of the box, nothing as complex as atomic engineering, and they still didnt do it.
>>343045092
So no
>>343045113
no one is saying modding cannot exist without money, we are just saying it could help.
money steering work does not mean lack of money steers people away from work
>>343045146
>Wait for FO4 VR.
Dude, waifus in Fo4 suck even without VR.
>>343045003
"oh and by the way, you only get 25% because we're all greedy cunts"
"also there is no moderation so you can steal content and make money off of it"
Great idea, that was.
>>343045153
>By pure luck, because when that motion controlles are aviable, it will be sold together, no single option.
that fucking blows
>Why valve didnt do that?
the vive SDK relies on the wands to be there and requires you to use them because muh tracked controllers is the only 'true vr'
>>343045146
>2014+2
>any existing HMD
>vorpx
>play skyrim with all the mods you want...even lolis
>????
>profit
>>343045203
its a gaming laptop actually
>>343031756
>for some reason, it hurts my eyes to focus on small objects 2 inches or so from my face
doesn't that happen normally?
>>343045003
but why wouldn't you just institute a donate button and not have Steam shekel 70%
>>343045042
>hes not saying its good or bad, just saying thats how it is.
But that's not how it is, the modding community has been huge without Steam trying to charge for their work
>do you somehow disagree with the concept?
yeah, cause it's fucking stupid
its like acting like the modding community was some sort of chaotic wasteland before Lord Gaben stepped in and charged the shit out of people
>>343045092
well you need to work on that. 970 is the 'VR baseline' they say. You need to render a little higher than 1080p in 90fps consistently without drops. I have a 970 and im still thinking of upgrading again soon because I wouldnt mind a card and supersample into the vive.
As for the porn stuff, you could totally mod out skyrim and be in it. You could also go over to /vg/ and check out the Custom Maid 3d 2 General, because that game works in the vive. You can do shit like lift girls skirts or put your hands through girl's hair.
>>343045116
so you acknowledge that there are mods supported by money.
you acknowledge that money is steering work towards those mods.
no one is saying its common, no one is saying its accepted, just that it exists and happens.
>>343026832
Neither.
Wait until the second iteration in a couple of years that will be cheaper and better than both.
>>343035564
>GTA VR
It's already a thing anon
>>343045345
of couse its practiced
but not enough to fairly try to institute and justify it on a scale as large as Steam Workshop
>>343045264
there was moderation, there was literally no time for anything to happen because it only lasted a few days
you might say "oh but thats enough time for someone to make a quick buck"
steam doesnt work that way, if you make money from steam you get paid monthly and only after you make a certain amount of money (they arent going to bother sending you a paycheck for 2 bucks)
>>343045254
Still better and more easily modified than anything currently on the market. We'll probably get Artificial Academy VR or something at some point, but it's not announced, so the only real custom waifu software at the moment that isn't one dude's little hobby project is FO4.
>>343045264
The moderation was a problem. But how much do you think Walmart charge for people to sell stuff in their store? It's not a charity.
>>343045323
Because why the fuck would Steam not try to make more money? They host the product, have the infrastructure, give them visibility and do the transport and have to deal with the support side too.
They take every risk. On a 60$ game, the store make like 5-10$. Transport take 10%, the printing company take another 5% and ect.
>>343045335
Its a baseline for "new titles"
To adapt existing titles, even with a 4790k at 4.8 and a titan x isnt enought to move max out games at 75fps wich is the dk2 refresh rate.
>>343045323
how fucking dense are you?
saying that modders can create good content if they are paid does not mean that current mods are shit and the community sucks.
>>343045487
Custom Maid 3d 2 supports VR now. Even without mods you already basically got harem simulator, then just add extra bits with mods.
>>343045445
so it doesnt happen enough to try and make it happen more?
do you understand how stupid that sounds? it doesnt happen more because there aren't many platforms to support it. Theres paterons and various tipping services but nothing specifically for games or mods
>>343045565
>saying that modders can create good content if they are paid
Nice try twisting his words in a shitty attempt to make sense of it.
He didn't say "money is how the community CAN steer work". He said "money is how the community steers work". There is a difference that you should be able to discern, if you're not completely retarded.
>>343045660
I wish there was a better guide getting that shit working.
I got it all working after about an hour, but the VR was in a seperate executable and none of the mods applied to it
>>343045767
I am 'twisting' his words because you cant seem to understand them as written.
if we take what he said litterally, as you have, then what you are saying is you think that money is the only way the community can steer work, and as a result no mods can be made without money?
am I correct? You somehow think that if people are allowed to charge for mods that free mods will just disappear?
>>343045490
>Because why the fuck would Steam not try to make more money?
>might as well have them start charging monthly
>might as well have a game library cap that can be expanded through a premium service
>because more money, cause they're a company right so its okay
Just because they're a company doesn't give them immunity nor justification for every unnecessary technique to try to take more money on things that were previously accessible
>>343045565
>Actually money is how the COMMUNITY steers work
He's generalizing and talking about the community and its paid uses as a whole, you Osmium faggot
>>343045668
>Theres paterons and various tipping services but nothing specifically for games or mods
Why would it need to be specific? Patron and general tipping services don't need to be specific in their goal
>im making mods
>nope sorry cant use the tipping service loser
And those services dont subtract 75% of your 'pay'
>>343026832
If you're going to buy into the VR meem, then the Vive is the obvious choice. I've heard from multiple people that have played both the Rift and the Vive that every time you play a game on the Rift you always miss the motion controls and the room movement.
But if you want to not be retarded, just fucking wait until version 2 for any of these things.
>>343045772
I haven't messed around with mods, but from what I understand from HFPatch and setting up the first time is that changes done need to also be applied to the CM3D2VRx64_Data folder since it's separate from the CM3D2x64_Data or CM3D2x86_Data that you normally use.
>buy VR
>use it to shitpost on /v/
>>343046039
Dude. They are a company. Steam is probably the best store out there, but yeah they want to make money. That's what they are out there for.
You dont open a store and give stuff away.
>>343045252
>no one is saying modding cannot exist without money, we are just saying it could help.
i dont think so, once you introduce greed into the equation you've basically killed the modding community as it is today, it'll just be another business and yet another thing to pay for on top of DLC, season passes, microtransactions and all the other shit devs use to milk money out of their customers, greedy people like Gabe see the untapped goldmine of mods and they want into it badly but thankfully the community is pushing back hard because once monetized mods catch-on there's no going back, it seems pretty dumb to throwaway such a great thing for the alleged hope of a better modding community when in reality we'll probably just be getting the same shit except now we'd have to pay for it.
>>343046039
>Why would it need to be specific?
it wouldnt, I never said it NEEDS to be specific
but surely you understand that it would help right?
instead of searching pateron or other services for interesting mods you just search steam
>>343026832
Morpheus
>>343046131
>not shitposting from a virtual desktop filled with screens up to the roof
>inb4 i cant read
>>343046123
I ended up getting frustrated and uninstalling everything. Ill probably give it another shot this week and keep that in mind
>>343046039
>He's generalizing and talking about the community and its paid uses as a whole, you Osmium faggot
you are actually correct.
the problem is how can you acknowledge its a generalization yet think hes talking specifically to the modding community?
>>343045986
I understood what he said perfectly and so did the thousands of people who rightfully shat on him for saying that. You are retarded and what he said is retarded. Go back to the steam forums you shit eating valve fanboy.
>>343046206
Sadly Virtual Desktop doesnt work like that
Best use for Vive at the moment is definitely Elite Dangerous with flight sticks.
The experience is great but not worth the grand dropped on it all (assuming you don't have the stuff already) + the cash required to get the PC up to "VR standard"
>>343046159
so any proof this would happen or are you just tinfoil-hatting?
paying for mods like insurgency didnt seem to cause any issues, its a great game
>>343046283
You could make a sphere of screens, but since the update in the sdk, it dosent work.
>>343046251
if you did understand him then tell me what he meant instead of getting upset
>>343046135
>Steam is probably the best store out there, but yeah they want to make money.
They make a shit ton of money consistantly and are essentially the reigning PC gaming distribution client
I get the whole 'why not make more money' mentality, but paid mods?
>Dude
you gotta buy me dinner first
>>343046163
>but surely you understand that it would help right?
With 75% of your income gone and restricting usage for other users to use your mod if they dont cough up money. You're not getting paid, Steam is, they're just giving you a slight cut.
It doesn't help the creators nor the users, only Steam.
>>343046246
>the problem is how can you acknowledge its a generalization yet think hes talking specifically to the modding community?
because he's talking about paid mods
which would mean he's talking about modding
dear god please dude you're better then this
