>But to kind of shift gears a little bit, I can’t really talk down to Western games at all. I really think they’re kind of setting the pillars for the quality of this generation. Every time I come to E3 I kind of look around and it’s like, ‘Wow, those games are really good!’ But this year in particular, the general level of quality of the games and the gap between what the West is doing and what Japan is doing is enormous. And it really left an impression on me.
Specifically, Horizon looks amazing. Forza Horizon 3 is great, I’m a huge fan of that. And Days Gone looks really cool too. And I’m really looking forward to seeing God Of War, just from an action game perspective.
http://wccftech.com/kamiya-westjapan-gap-enormous-horizon-forza-horizon-3-days-gone-god-war-caught-eye/
how much was he paid to say these things
>>342990642
Kamiya is a westaboo but it's not surprising he can't tell what a quality game is considering he hasn't made one in years.
>>342990642
About three fiddy
Kamiya wouldn't know a good game if it bit him in the ass
>Japanese and Western gap is enormous!
>I forgot to mention that literally half of the 3DS library is contentious
>>342990642
No, he got it on the head
Western games are about LOOKING good, not actually being good
>>342990093
Kamiya likes walking simulators?
What's that?
>>342990093
He's right.
No western games will EVER play as well as the best japanese games
GOW dropping it's gameplay entirely for a story focused game instead is a perfect and hilarious example. They just fucking gave up.
>Kamiya noticed a game you worked on
I'm honored
>>342990093
That's because Japan is still working on PS3 games (which are being ported to new consoles) instead of working on actual next-gen games.
>>342991048
I think it was more because people generally were tired of the actual gameplay, and complaining that the story was shit
>>342990093
BLOCKED
Visually he his absolutely right, and is also right when you look at animations and stuff
>>342991053
YOU MAKE SHIT ANON
SHIT
>>342991131
Yes, because the gameplay was honestly shit.
I say this as someone who love GOW anyway. I loved the character and set pieces, and graphics and art. But goddamn this gameplay, even that titty pandering zombie game is a better character action game.
I'm pretty disappointed by the western market right now, and the focus on presentation value.
Hopefully it's just growing pains: that the industry has to break this graphical plateau to settle back into other areas.
>>342990093
>car game
>more zombies
>God of War that wont be out for years
I just can't remember the last western game that impressed me after the ME3 ending destroyed my brain. Does the Witcher count?
>>342991106
I don't know man, that doesn't look like a PS3 game
It wasn't even downgraded
>>342991534
W3 impressed you? really?
>>342991658
Gameplay-wise it looks like a PS2 game
The new Nier shits all over Scalebound
>>342991658
>Skyrim textures everywhere
Wow, you don't consider that downgraded?
>>342990093
>Kamiya's """""Dream"""""" Game is a literal mash-up of boring and generic concepts
>thinking I'll believe anything he says
The last sound advice he gave was the fact that Gradius was GOTY
Kamiya is a huge westaboo. News at 11.
>>342990936
But that's correct, all other things being equal
>>342991793
Yes but to be fair, Nier shit all over everything else this E3.
So Kamiya is wrong anyway.
>>342990936
Yes, exactly like that. I'm glad Kamiya understands us so well.
>>342991976
>>342990734
>westaboo
>heavily responsible for
Okami: glorious nippon the game
DmC: anime swordsman game
Viewtiful joe/wonderful 101: sentai games
Just a reminder, but Kamiya is being squarely controlled by Microsoft during E3. So yeah, of course Forza looks amazing... of course.
>>342990093
Kojima was also up there with a nice game and he is Japanese.
Well sort of.
One thing I still love about Japanese games is that there's a willingness to go full out zany/silly. Take the Yakuza game series. In the hands of a US developer the whole game would be serious looking with the occasional moments of silly banter.
Meanwhile if you play a Yakuza games you do have the serious crime drama moments but its mixed with the main characters singing power metal karaoke battles, trying not to orgasm while getting a massage and other moments of sheer lunacy.
Blood Dragon and Deadpool are western games that I can think of that captures a similar vibe. I wish more people went down this route. Unfortunately when US games think zany = make tons of references to old games
>>342990924
Kamiya says his favourite game of this gen so far outside of Bayo 2 (Obviously) is Forza Horizon 2 specifically because he likes how it plays and the atmosphere it makes. He accidentally leaked FH3 before because talked about inviting some of the Playground Games devs to Platinum while they were making it (That started the Japan rumors. Turned out Playground did some stay overs in Japan before going back to Bongland).
>>342992420
It does look nice, though. It was one of the best games at E3 and it's on PC now. So there's no need to complain.
>>342992665
>he likes a dudebro racing game
Fastest way to instantly discard someone's opinion. Talk about poor taste.
Name 5 good Western games this year and no Indie shit for the first round undermemefags.
>>342992604
we have the perfect game for you my friend
it is called watchdogs 2
>>342992786
>not liking cars
>Being a faggot
>>342992546
Well, weebs create weeb games so as a westaboo Kojima makes western games. He's a hack either way.
>>342992840
undertale was 2015, but evidently the butthurt it has caused you is eternal
>overwatch
>Ratchet and clank
>Uncharted 4
>Doom
>Quantum break
>>342992604
>Blood Dragon and Deadpool are western games that I can think of that captures a similar vibe. I wish more people went down this route. Unfortunately when US games think zany = make tons of references to old games
Now it's reference games and memes.
>wife sharer of war is a good game meme
Really tired of this one to be honest
>>342993307
Change out Uncharted 4 for something else and that would actually be a pretty good list.
>>342992665
>Forza
>PC
>Microsoft Store and Windows 10
Please don't remind me. God dammit.
>>342993307
>overmeme
>same game with less content than the PS2 version
>movie
>flop
>Movie and TV series
You didn't do that well.
>>342993492
>remove the highest rated game of the generation
makes sense.
>>342993647
>being this much of a jaded asshole
enjoy some video games for once in your life
you put >flop for doom, as if the amount of people that bought it has any effect on how much you should enjoy it.
also placing meme into the name of the game does not prove it's shit. /v/ has given you brain meme cancer
Poor Kamiya, forced to put his name on the shitshow that is Scalebound.
>>342992840
>>>/wsr/
>>342993647
Just curious, what games do you like?
Do you enjoy anything at all or?
Western games have been better since day 1 particularly on the PC. Never saw the appeal of silly Jap games.
>>342993681
Oh, I didn't mean it wasn't good. It just doesn't fit on a games list when it's a movie.
scalebound looked like shit
>>342994104
Bloodborne
>>342990093
Western games are more grounded in reality. Japanese games are more about fantasy with reality tacked on.
I love Japanese games but
>Specifically, Horizon looks amazing.
I have to agree, that game is firing on all cylinders, it's something I'd expect to have come from Japan but it came from the west and sadly with a fuck ugly protagonist but it is what it is.
That being said, Japan still dose it better, FFXV, Persona 5, Nier, Nioh, Gravity Rush, Gran Turismo, fuck western gaming in general outside of like 1 or two notable examples the Japanese industry stomps on the western one, creatively and technically. The western vidiya industry is 99% garbage.
>>342990642
blocked.
>>342994203
I can enjoy games on vastly different sides of the interactivity spectrum, so i'm sorry anon that you only enjoy 100% gameplay with no story
>>342990642
>implying he isn't right
>weeb games aren't utter trash
>everything out of japan right now is pure fap bait or non-game VNs
>>342994656
You know what they say about assumptions, right?
>>342994289
Understood say no more
>>342994727
>Implying you're not baiting
>>342994812
You make an ass out of u and mptions?
>>342994957
give me one (1) good weebshit game
oh right, you can't
Honestly, I kind of get what he means.
A high profile japanese game is usually somewhat clunky, or somewhat lower budget compared to a western game.
The really high quality, high budget game are western.
I love japanese game, I love the somewhat clunkiness of them, I love their originality and frequently the will to almost fuck over the player. But if I want a game with great graphical fidelity, or a great "movie-like" feeling, I wouldn't look at japanese games. Aside from MGS which is now dead, there's almost no really high profile game japanese game series. Almost no japanese game can pretty much impress the entire world though its sheer production value.
>>342994727
Can games with fap bait not be fun? Are games like Bloodborne and the Souls games non-game VNs? Please try to avoid using generalizations, especially when they're incorrect. Saying MOST that you see fit under this category would be more accurate.
>>342994960
No, it's "u make and ass of urslef".
>>342994414
Isn't the Forza team made out of like 300 persons and outsourcing the model work on top of that
Polyphony is like 100 persons. That's a fucking big budget difference.
Beside I doubt dumb open worlds are ideal for racing games at all. I always hated it.
>>342995114
Oh fuck off. Name a good westacuck one, you can't.
>>342995161
wow buttmad weeb
we got one fresh lads
keep jacking off to games thinking they are objectively good because the cause your tiny penis to have big cums
>>342995114
The term "weebshit" implies bad. You've given us an impossible task you ruseman
but yeah katamari is pretty good and weeby as fuck
>>342994957
I think the industry speaks for itself. Look at Bayonetta 2. It's a perfect example of a japanese cinematic experience with casual gameplay.
>3+ hours of cinematics
>voice acting and fanservice everywhere
>strong independent womyn who don't need no man
>universal praise by game journalists, who hate anything "videogamey".
It's basically the japanese God Of War, which was just the western Devil May Cry.
>>342995316
Who is this picture based off?
>>342995406
You don't seriously expect anyone to believe this crap.
>>342995135
>I love their originality and frequently the will to almost fuck over the player
many western indieshit and middle budget shit do the same thing.
>>342995425
>>342992193
What the fuck is the point in that. Where are the other ingredients? Who the fuck wants to eat a package of deli meat with two slices of bread?
>>342995406
DmC was western, FUCK YOU
>>342990936
Well, yes. I mean, a 5 hour game might play like the shit, but if it's $60 I would be inclined to feel a bit of regret
>>342995535
What? Western middle budget is absolutely awful. Indieshit is just that, indieshit.
The western AA industry died for a reason.
>>342995528
>>342995657
Don't believe me? Let the game journalists do the talking.
Mind you, the same people offering these games praise are the same people who say games need a "skip gameplay" button.
>>342992604
>Blood Dragon As much fun as I had with it, the ending was just a bunch of memes thrown together because it was "awesome"
>Deadpool
Didn't and won't play it, but come on
>>342995535
>indieshit
Kind of, but there aren't much games that are really high quality. A few are pretty good though, but they get to the point where they aren't really indies anymore.
>middle budget
Literally only niche games are worth it. Otherwise, it's either indie games that grew big (The Witness) or shit (wannabe AAA but couldn't because his mom didn't let him).
>>342995943
Yeah sure retard, Bayo is a cinematic experience.
Goddamn at least try to make your bait believable.
>7.9 user score
Heh.
>>342996198
>Bayo is a cinematic experience
Yes, what's wrong with this statement?.
>>342995801
all strategy games are middle budget now outside starcraft and total war. Pick your poison.
dont know about the rpg you posted but valkyria is shallow as fuck even compared to nucom.
ign are full of weeboos and casuals. The majority of e3 coverage I see are on their channel and they talk a lot about jap stuff and merely glance over indieshit. They also dont know anything about western AA shit; stuff from infamous publisher like focus home, paradox, devolver...
>>342996358
Everything
>>342990093
It really baffles me what Japanese devs see in American games when Japan is the only country left who still consistently tries to make games appealing and fun instead of dour and gray. Couple exceptions notwithstanding (Overwatch).
Typical western game of 2016 is like the Tomb Raider reboot: nice engine, nice graphical fidelity, gray, brown, dull, shit characters, no tits, removed all the reasons the original was liked.
>>342992235
>DmC
Devil May Cry not DmC and only the first one.
![[laughter stops].gif](https://i.imgur.com/0uuldbF.gif "[laughter stops].gif")
>>342996358
Now that's what I call autism
>>342996524
>>342996601
Im sorry if, when playing a video game, I don't want to watch cinematics and non-interactive cutscenes.
>>342990093
>he thinks gow's gonna be action heavy
poor kamiya
>>342996684
Go play Tetris then
>>342996525
overwatch is shit on all front: technical and gameplay.
any current aaa dour and gray shooter beat the shit out of it gameplay.
play doter and lol if you want "fun", color, eye candy and better gameplay with the same concept.
>>342996684
bayo 2 had unskippable cutscenes? that's lame
>>342996447
>I don't know
Yes, that's the problem with japanese games. Peoples complain they aren't here, but they are, just not marketed into your fucking face with big piles of cash.
As for Valkyria, it was one of the first TRPG that tried to have a full 3D shooter-like presentation 4 years before Nucom. The last entry is much less shallow and more fun to play than Xcom anyway.
>>342996993
Yeah, it did. Anytime it went into a flashy action finisher or a quick time event, you weren't allowed to skip it. And if you skipped the cutscenes, you were treated to unpleasant loading screens.
>>342996993
He's bullshitting, and his definition of cinematic experience is wrong in the first place.
>>342996525
>gray, brown, dull, shit characters, no tits, removed all the reasons the original was liked.
How can one post be so wrong? Not saying Tomb Raider '16 is great or a masterpiece but you clearly didn't play it
>>342990936
but... but Japanese games are more notorious for shitty padding just to make the game longer? Literally what Japanese game is shorter than the average US game unless its like a cuhrayzee hack and slash?
>>342997181
He's saying the game happens in completely realistic environments without any surprises, which IS true (but not necessarily a bad thing)
>>342996962
>play MOBAS as a replacement for FPS
no
>>342997151
A cinematic experience is something where you have little to no interaction in it.
Now, when you're watching a cutscene, are you PLAYING it? Interacting with it?
>>342997575
>A cinematic experience is something where you have little to no interaction in it.
See? You're wrong as expected.
>>342997627
A quick trip to wikipedia, Mirriam and Websters, and the new American Encyclopedia would argue otherwise.
>>342990093
Why does this place have such a hardon for japanese shit?
Yeah, they made pretty good games in 4th and 5th gen, but the west is fucking leagues ahead. The West actually makes meaty graphically impressive games WORTH 60 dollars. Compare the new Atelier Sophie to Witcher 3 or Dragon Age Inquisition. It can't compete.
Help me decide on what game to play
http://www.strawpoll.me/10605711/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/10605711/r
>>342997575
so many games have cutscenes I wonder how you've ever enjoyed more than a handful of games
>>342997862
You're missing the word that give this expression a whole new meaning, underage fucktard.
>>342990093
Megaconman 2 in the making.
>>342997862
You do know what colloquialisms are, right?
>>342997883
>Muh graphics
>Asking this on 4chan.org
Fuck off casual.
>>342997883
They can't compete because you chose atelier sophie as your point of comparison. Why not metal gear solid 5 or the last guardian or dark souls? Oh yeah, because it doesn't fit your narrative
>>342998129
I said MEATY, graphically IMPRESSIVE, and WORTH 60 dollars
>>342996358
It's this guy again.
>>342998246
>Muh graphics
>Muh "content"
Absolute cancer.
>>342990093
>Kojima said he really admired GTAV
>TPP ended up with stupid shit like gimmick bonus objectives copied from GTAV
>Kamiya says he really admires Forza3
>???
I fear for Scalebound.
>>342994203
>isn't open world
>that makes it a movie
>>342998153
>last guardian
that hasn't come out yet, and it's just a 2deep4u cinematic experience with no replayability, length, multiplayer, etc.. it only gets a pass here because it's japanese
>>342997943
I play games that have very little cinematics. They let the GAMEPLAY do the talking, instead of some artsy fartsy cutscenes. A minute here, a minute there? That's not the worst thing. But we don't need hours of it.
>>342998070
Don't you start throwing imaginary words around.
>>342997075
>a full 3D shooter-like presentation 4 years before Nucom
anon, I...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UZZOXqxTg
It's 1 year before it. But you wouldnt know. Because it is also not marketed
If you boil it down to the concept of free aiming in a turn based environment, this shit go far back as 1994. Only that firaxis and Sega has enough money to not make their game look shit in over the shoulder camera.
>>342998246
>WORTH 60 dollars
Good gameplay is worth more than that, and you won't find it in Witcher 3 or Dragon Age. Sorry dude.
>>342998246
Graphics will never justify a $60 pricetag
>>342998050
>meanwhile From revels in the success of it's franchise
I mean yeah, it's western inspired but it's still japanese, and people will FLOCK to KHIII when it comes out as well as FFXV. Whenever a japanese developer starts self deprecating it means things will most likely go wrong.
Remember when Kojima said he wanted to do something as good as GTA V? Well MGS V came out of that, a bland,lifeless open world with nothing to do.
>>342998409
>>342998403
>game hasn't come out yet but I know exactly what it is
>>342998432
>Shooter
>show top down shit instead
Anon, no.
>>342998246
>WORTH 60
I got the same value out of Yakuza 1 and 2 for FREE
>/v/ BTFO by Kamiya stating the obvious
>>342998409
Nobody plays Bayonetta for the cutscenes. The gameplay is what carries the game.
>>342994289
Hit the road, snailtrail.
>>342997484
>support activision of all thing in any way, shape or form
>>342998456
>Good gameplay
I don't see any of that in jap games.
All I see is buttonmashing, grinding, and repeatedly rolling.
I don't see Japs making anything like this with unique gameplay systems
>>342998403
thanks for disregarding everything in my post so you can continue master trolling this thread. Shot yourself in the foot there also by saying it hasn't come out yet but then talking shit about it
>>342998620
Which is exactly what they said about Uncharted and TLOU. Seems like an excuse to defend the disgusting sex fanservice and cinematics if you ask me.
Speaking of which, if the "gameplay" carries the game, why do you even have cinematics?
>>342998762
Tell me that's not DLC
>>342998362
>dragon races
>>342998579
>I got the same value out of Yakuza 1 and 2
Oh boy, I LOVE DOING THE SAME 4 COMBOS AND GRINDING INFINITELY IN A STERILE LIFELESS "OPEN WORLD"
o boy his new project sure sounds like shit if he's getting inspiration from shit such as very cinematic western games
>>342998153
dark souls? look like shit, run like crap, play like molasses. multiplayer are fun for 5 hours till you see the bonker balance and the shit netcode.
>>342998409
give me 5 examples of your favourite games that let the gameplay do the talking
>>342998772
No the story is what carries Uncharted and TLOU.
> Seems like an excuse to defend the disgusting sex fanservice and cinematics if you ask me
Oh I get it you're fucking with me.
>>342998918
You just described The Witcher 3
>>342998772
No it's not you fucking idiot. Are you trying to be stupid?
>>342990936
>all gaijin are fat pigs
Slow down the xenophobia there, gook.
>>342993681
>highest rated game of the generation
Who gives a shit? I like Uncharted but a Metacritic score isn't the end-all-be-all measurement of a game's quality.
>>342998712
Overwatch isn't an activision game
>>342999117
anon, I...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard
>>342998460
Demon's Souls was interesting. Then Dark Souls was a stiched together remake of Demon's Souls. This was followed by From just making Demon's Souls remakes three more times.
It started out promising, but then I quickly realised that From only knows one song and dance.
>>342998712
>muh company hateboner!!1!11Dx
>>342990093
>kamiya likes the best racing game series
Based baldman
>>342999076
>>342999004
Go read the reviews if you don't believe me. People unanimously praise the gameplay in Uncharted, even though it's watered down cinematic crap.
That's why I compare it to Bayonetta. It's the exact same people making the exact same compliments.
>>342998979
>give me 5 examples of your favourite games that let the gameplay do the talking
Metroid 1 on the NES
FTL
Terraria
Dwarf Fortress
La Mulana
Some story here and there, but combined between them you'll have less cutscenes than your average AAA game.
>>342999080
Well, he doesn't say it's a BAD thing per se
>>342999241
They actually know 3:
Ninja Gaiden ripoff
AC
and Souls remake rearmed reboot remasters
>>342999241
That doesn't stop it from the series being a success, learn to read.
The west is just bigger. Of course they're going to make a wider range of games with broader appeal from an international perspective and Japan is much more introspective and usually doesn't give a shit about foreign audiences so their stuff tends to be only appealing there and niche everywhere else
Why can't japs into good gameplay?
Why does everything they make involve grinding and rolling?
>>342999395
It's still kind underwhelming when my first impression of Demon's Souls felt pretty original and fresh. Then they just kinda inflated it.
>>342999359
>stupid people have stupid opinions
More news at 11.
Bayonetta isn't a cinematic experience no matter how many times you say it.
>>342990936
Hes correct in a way, but theres a right way and a wrong way to do things.
Filling your game with 900+ collectables is a very wrong way to pad it.
>>342999094
The point was "good western games" and metascore is probrably the best way to display that
>god of war reboot
>good
I, too, enjoy soul-crushingly boring movie games.
>>342999502
>Why can't japs into good gameplay?
Uh what, you can say that many Japs copied Western design and genres, but Japs make good games with good gameplay.
>>342992786
At least it's not Skyrim
>>342999359
Wait a minute, you're the same guy who called God Hand a cinematic experience, aren't you.
>>342999662
>trees randomly start glowing red
epic sony is so fucking shit
>>342998951
Well he is making Scalebound for the Xbox One. Microsoft consoles were never big seller in Japan.
>>342999612
I don't have to say it for it to be true. The 3+ hours of cutscenes and quick time events and story will gladly say it for me.
>>342999726
Never played God Hand actually. Don't know what you're talking about.
All japan does anymore is recreate slice-of-life animes in the form of JRPG's and Nintendo games.
>>342999502
why cant americans into good gameplay?
Why does everything they make involve ragdoll physics and communication towers?
>>342990734
How is he a westaboo when he constantly talks about how much he doesn't care about PC, how stupid foreigners are, and how his friends call him out for saying things like "gaijin can eat shit" ?
>>342999869
At least Atlus tries to reflect actual japanese social problems in Persona.
>>342999962
They can, they just refuse too because they wanna nickel and dime customers.
>kojima: muh graphics
This guy really should just go do movies
>>343000075
WHEN WILL THEY LEARN
http://photozou.jp/photo/show/3126116/213277766
>>342999962
>communication towers
That has nothing to do with the GAMEPLAY.
Why can't japs make something fun and unique with dynamic interactive environments and systems like this?
It has to be slashing shit with a sword, rolling around, and farming in static noninteractive corridor-esque environments
>>342990093
WEEBS BTFO
BTFO
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F
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B L O W N
T H E
F U C K
O U T
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
niggers
>>342999789
>2 hours and 28 minutes
>3+ hours of cutscenes
Nobody has ever praised the story or cinematics of Bayonetta. It's always been praised for its fast and fluid gameplay. Take out the cinematics and nothing changes. I don't know why I'm even replying to you after your "disgusting sex fanservice" line, it's obvious that you're baiting.
>>343000276
Wouldn't be surprised if the only Valve game Kamiya has played is L4D Arcade.
>>342995558
assuming that wouldn't give me food poisoning, i'd eat the shit out of it
>>342999869
Seriously? What about Tekken 7?
>>343000130
new vegas disscuss in depth the flaw of the "american" system
witcher subtly show how undersireable medieval society can be, even when you can predict and control magic
even ubishit made a cutesy but dark and melancholy game about world war 1
hatred, postal, the south park game give no single fucking shit about any people, culture or politic.
>>343000445
Yes it does, a loose connection of combat areas is completely different by a series of challenges connected by a story. whatever that may be, it's motivational.
>inb4 retro counterarguments
In Super Mario it's saving the princess, in Mega Man it's beating dr Wiley, in Tetris it's the score
>>343000462
did they seriously replace all characters with japanese? that would be fucking hilarious
>>343000445
>been praised for its fast and fluid gameplay
eah, but why isn't it good?
It's just dodging telegraphed attacks, triggering slowdown, then buttonmashing, pressing QTE's all in tight linear corridor noninteractive levels. There isn't any fucking environmental destruction. It's fucking lazy and casual style over substance.
>>343000654
Hatred was just shit.
>>343000550
Killer Instinct is better
>>343000850
Still doesn't make it a cinematic experience.
>>343000445
>Nobody has ever praised the story or cinematics of Bayonetta
The screenshots and porn dumps in every Bayo thread would argue otherwise.
>It's always been praised for its fast and fluid gameplay.
Funny, I see those exact comments in praising games like God of War or TLOU or Uncharted. What makes your situation different?
>>342999673
>Japs make good games with good gameplay.
*can. Just like the west "can" A game doesn't inherently have better gameplay by virtue of being japanese
>>343000365
You seem to be operating under the assumption that open world physics sandboxes are the only legitimate games and everything else is shit.
Gravity rush 2 fits your description though, and that's japanese
>>343000961
>Still doesn't make it a cinematic experience.
It actually does when it's generic and casual as fuck. QTE'S QTE'S QTE'S QTE'S QTE'S QTE'S
Oh but look, I'm doing combos!!
It doesn't matter how many combos the game when you can win just as easily by buttonmashing. It's casual.
>>343000961
>>343000000
If it wasn't a cinematic experience, then I would be able to buy a cheaper copy of the game that had all the story removed, and I could only the pure gameplay.
Is that true?
>>343000445
Bayonetta is great because of it's DMC adjacent gameplay and spectacular presentation.
>>343001069
>A game doesn't inherently have better gameplay by virtue of being japanese
Never said that. Learn to read. I said that the Japanese has made games with very good gameplay and at times surpasses it's Western counterparts.
>>343001048
>The screenshots and porn dumps in every Bayo thread would argue otherwise
All that proves is /v/ is full of horny virgins
>God of War or TLOU or Uncharted
>fast and fluid
Now I know you're baiting.
>>343001258
>spectacular presentation
Thats only an opinion though. What makes it better than, oh say, Halo, or Killzone, or God of War?
>>343001258
>spectacular presentation
MUH CAMERA ANGLES, MUH CINEMATIC PRESENTATION!!!!!!
Cancer
>>343001398
>now I know you're baiting
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/god-of-war-iii/critic-reviews?dist=positive
Read it and weep, chum. i'm not saying these people are right, or that their opinions are valid. But i did say that this praise was made for God of War.
>>343001256
Name one game that has ever done that.
>>343001657
90% of shmups that don't even have a story and just have a basic text description on their store page.
Crimson Clover comes to mind, as does Wolflame.
>>343001517
more like flashy graphics and animation, ya know a huge part of the action genre
Weebs, how does it feel that the West has completely btfo'd japan to the point of them barely even making any games anymore. How does it feel that Devil May Cry is dead and Mass Effect, Arkham City, Skyrim, GTA 5, Halo, Gears, Uncharted all have critical acclaim, user acclaim, and millions of sales?
>>343000850
what would environmental destruction add to bayonetta's style of gameplay? I mean, you could cut shit up in metal gear rising and that did nothing for me
>>343001637
>using metacritic to judge a game
Just look at fucking gameplay videos of the games and you'll see that Bayonetta has nothing in common with those games.
>>343001418
Hyperbole murder stripper that fights Lovecraftian angels with the power of raw confidence, gun heels breakdancing and bodyhair magic is a pretty novel presentation compared to most things I have seen in the last generation.
I can't comment on Halo since AI jave never played any of the games, Killzone was just boring and God of War also peaked with the second game in the PS2 generation.
Pack it in, weebs. Looks like ya lost.
>>343002000
Nice trips
Don't bother man. Next he'll say MGR is a cinematic experience.
>>343000830
There's one white guy named Blake.
>>343001906
>user acclaim
It's funny because we're just talking about this E3 and then compare it to what /v/ is actually looking forward to is pretty mixed between West and East with a japanese game as No. 1
>>343000954
I'm not even talking about whether one game is better or worse than it. Just that not every Japanese game is some slice of life anime.
>>343001880
>more like flashy graphics and animation
So in other words, cancerous money wasters that drive up a game's cost without improving game quality.
>>343002095
>using metacritic to judge a game
I didn't say I was using metacritic. My point was that people often describe God of War as "fast and fluid" even if it's casual button mashing. So why should I consider Bayonetta any different, when I've never run into a roadblock with the series? I guess maybe I'd die once or twice if I went into infinite Climax while unplugging my controller and taping one eye closed, but gimping myself doesn't make the game more fun.
>>343002145
>hyperbole murder stripper that fights Lovecraftian angels with the power of raw confidence, gun heels breakdancing and bodyhair magic
Doesn't make the gameplay better, thus it's unnecessary garbage I'm afraid. I don't want wacky or lolsorandum in my games. I want good gameplay that's unhampered by cinematics and fanservice. Bayonetta has never given me that.
I think what he's highlighting is the fact that Japanese publishers are becoming more reluctant/incapable to bring up the (huge) financial investments for those kinds of games he's talking about.
Back when arcades were still lucrative Japanese companies were constantly innovating in making games look impressive using new technology. But look at companies like SEGA or Namco now. They created VIrtua Fighter, Outrun, Pole Position and Winning Run back in the day but now they focus on mobile games. It's been 30 years since then already though..Times just change.
>Kratos has a huge beard
>Kratos doesn't have any hint of hair on the rest of his body
That's not how it works
>>343002213
Not him, but I thought that MGR was overhyped until I got to Armstrong. That's the segment that ties the entire game together and is the kind of climax I wish most games would have.
Look at Japans most popular games these days. Phone games, generic vita dungeon crawlers, generic Monster Hunter clones, Compile Hearts, everything XSeed has made in the past 8 years, the musou genre, those creepy idolm@ster games and their clones
Just because they make diamonds yearly it's covered by 90% shit. I'd much rather play a generic western AAA title than constant spewed shit like Senran Kagura or Hyperdimension Neptunia. I mean jesus christ people, one of the biggest Japanese directors is just some guy who'd rather make movies.
>>343002205
It's almost as if Sony, a billion dollar game publisher, spends millions and millions to market their 7/10 games and inflate their metacritic score the 2 weeks before and the 2 weeks after release.
>>343002419
>My point was that people often describe God of War as "fast and fluid" even if it's casual button mashing. So why should I consider Bayonetta any different
>NeoGA/v/ is real
Japanese developers are generally impressed with western games for what they have to offer. I don't mind as long as they develop on what western games have been attempting to achieve with open worlds, MGSV might not have been great story wise but gameplay was really well polished, just from a tech demo Breath of the Wild seems like a more interesting expansion in how a character interacts with the environment.
Let them be impressed, I think it offers more opportunities for interesting games to be made
>>343002213
>MGR is a cinematic experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLL3MVki46U
Well, I won't state the obvious, but you hit the nail on the head.
>>343002419
>>343002419
>tfw I just realized I've been arguing with a Souls baby
>>343002419
I would rate the Bayonetta gameplay as weaker than DMC3, but with a much better presentation than DMC4. It was what I wanted Backtrack May Cry 4 to be.
>>343000654
So it's okay when Americans do it, but not Japs?
>>342990093
>>342990642
Well he's not wrong saying weeb games are utter trash and only getting worse and more prevalent.
>>343002341
>/v/ is the entire world
lol
>>343002419
>So in other words, cancerous money wasters that drive up a game's cost without improving game quality.
Funny how this also applies to literally every popular western AAA action game like Batman and Uncharted
>/v/ is still dumb enough to respond to ACfag
>>343002728
>>343002618
>>343002775
>>343002787
>you're now considered to be baiting or from neogaf if you hate stories and cutscenes in video GAMES
I'm sorry /v/. When I go into a video game, I want GAMEPLAY. Is that so hard to ask? Do we need hour upon hour of disgusting cutscenes and story and plot? Did we not witness the same E3 this year, where every other game was a glorified movie with scripted quick time events and plot and narrative everywhere?
I thought, considering all of this, /v/ would at least see me eye to eye on this issue. But you gotta understand, I can't start making exceptions. Even if a game has some gameplay, if it's forcing too much story on me, and I'm actually getting bored by the amount o time it takes to skip all these cutscenes, then I can't consider your game good.
When are they going to make yoko taro their main director? clearly he has more sense than this dunce.
>>343002943
>youtube is the entire world
lol
>>343002972
>I'm sorry /v/. When I go into a video game, I want GAMEPLAY.
>defends western AAA cinematic graphicsfests and says Japan is shit
>>342999662
>>342999751
epic meme
>>343003021
>>343002950
Hey pal, trust me. You'll never find me defending dumbed down hollywood movie games. It's actually been a little rough this year, because I'm majorly into indie games, but the ones that are actually "videogamey" are being surpassed by the cinematic hipsters who think games need to be art.
With that said, let me ask everyone ITT a question: would you rather a game like Undertale or Firewatch, which claims to have a "deep and progressive narrative"? Or would you play a fun game like Gradius or Ikaruga or Crimson Clover? You know, videogames.
>>343003021
no shit, zelda had tens of times more coverage than other titles on this list.
>>343002698
>2h out of a 5h game is cutscenes
wow you just proved him wrong buddy
>>343002972
I love american cinematic experiences too.
>>343002565
>let me pick out the cheapest games and say they're the most popular
Also the most popular games in the West, especially phone games. Only difference between the two is that Western industry pours a fuckton of money into AAA budgets. But instead of more complex gameplay we get the same casual shit with a shiny coat of paint.
>>343003084
>defends western AAA cinematic graphicsfests
>>343003135
The former. Because the latter games are Japanese and neo /v/ told me Japanese games are shit.
>>343003135
>indie shit or shmup shit
How about neither. Get some fucking taste.
>>343003145
>No. 1 twitter game (trended worldwide)
>news articles about Zelda got the most coverage
>Generated the most social media discussion
>was /v/'s pick of E3
It completely decimated its competition desu
>>343003162
>40% of a game spent not playing it
Some """""game"""" you've got there, Kojima. Can't say I'm impressed.
>>343002419
>In this anon's ideal world games don't have graphics, animations, story or even sound because they're wastes of budget that interupt gameplay
>all games are just geometric shapes that perform gameplay
Anon, I seriously want you to fuck off because you're being delusional to win your argument against "cinematic". Cinematic is a good trait that only helps to compliment gameplay if done correctly
>>343002870
>americans
there are us, poland, french, canada involving in these games.
japs just skirt around the issue in their own country. everybody else either offer an indepth look, a humane look , tear down the door or brutally skullfuck everything.
>>343002419
I mostly like God of War because I like the chain weapons and Kratos has always been a very silly character that always amused me.
Which is also why Dad of War looks like it's gonna suck more than thenoldes games.
>>343003250
>Weebs, how does it feel that the West has completely btfo'd japan to the point of them barely even making any games anymore. How does it feel that Devil May Cry is dead and Mass Effect, Arkham City, Skyrim, GTA 5, Halo, Gears, Uncharted all have critical acclaim, user acclaim, and millions of sales?
>>343003021
>number of posts counts as "buzz" compared to number of people
lol
>>342996447
To be fair, most of Devolver's stuff outside of Croteam can be summed up as "80's inspired difficult pixel art games that are usually violent and mildly screwy". It's like they want another Hotline Miami but they can't catch that in a bottle.
Paradox is, despite what /v/ would like you to believe, a niche publisher that has a niche genre market cornered. When, you say Paradox to the average gamer, they're either going to go wha... or think map painting simulator.
And like others have said, most developers and publishers don't see good enough returns on A or AA games to merit the cost when they can either cash in on a cheap indie in hopes of it becoming popular, or bet the farm on something that will likely get them lods of emone assuming it isn't a complete disaster.
>>343000075
Meme homosexual anime, fuck off.
>>343003461
>number of views counts as people
>only proof is youtube
lol
>>343003461
>youtube is the whole world
See >>343003123
>>343003021
>>343003443
That wasn't exactly my post anon. You can tell because I give high critical praise of many japanese games. So why would I hate japan's games or call anyone a weeb?
>>343003353
>In this anon's ideal world games don't have graphics, animations, story or even sound because they're wastes of budget that interupt gameplay
AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST.
Good. These people can fuck off. If the past 8 years have shown anything, it's that the more popular an IP gets the deeper devs throw it into the shitter.
>>343003595
>So why would I hate japan's games
Because Japanese are all just cinematic flashy garbage. Look at Japans most popular games these days. Phone games, generic vita dungeon crawlers, generic Monster Hunter clones, Compile Hearts, everything XSeed has made in the past 8 years, the musou genre, those creepy idolm@ster games and their clones
>>343003341
again, it basically had its entire day dedicated to it, while everything else competed with tens or hundreds of games on the days they were introduced.I also just don't think it looks that good.
>>343003595
dwarf fortress would be a better game if it was exactly the same, but on top of that it had uncharted 4 level presentation though. you can't even deny this
