>I play games for the story
i agree with that pic, except for mgs, only 4 is mostly a movie
why is Bioshock Infinite there?
it is mostly gameplay
Hi friend, you forgot some game to the left and New Vegas to the right :)
>>342941016
>I only play games where you control a character
Full pleb
>>342941169
for the same reason spic ops over the border is there.
linear story heavy generic goop
>>342941016
>implying a game can't have a great story as well as great gameplay.
They're not mutually exclusive concepts.
Most of those games in the “interactive movie” section are legitimately good video games
>game would be shit if the story was shit
Kek
>game would be shit if gameplay was shit
>>342941248
Funny, I don't see a single one.
>>342941016
theres nothing inherently wrong with the right side, but the left side definitely make for better games.
>>342941016
>Western shit
It's all bad f@m
>>342941016
Morrowind sucks ass as a video game though. The only reason people like it is because of the lore. The actual game part is pure garbage.
>>342941016
>choose your own adventure books
fuck you Tyler, lying little shit
>>342941317
Nod really, I've played games that are great even when the gameplay has problems
>>342941169
Same reason Spec Ops, Last of Us, Metal Gear, and Brothers are there: because this is a shitty troll image.
The Last of Us is better than every single game on the left
>>342941016
Just get rid of all that cloying narrative and have pure gameplay then. It's not like the stories in ANY videogame come close to any other medium so just get rid entirely
is soma good?
>>342941385
>The actual game part is pure garbage.
Only if you play as a mage and wonder why your sword hits miss
>>342941440
That's my point.
I was just showing that it was a stupid point to make.
Have fucking sook.
>>342941385
>morowind suck because there is no clear character development path like my mmo.
>>342941016
>TLOU
>not uncharted
I'm convinced most people hating TLOU didn't even play it. not surprising really.
>Puts in Half Life 2, a game where you are constantly stopped to be put in a room and forced to listen to people talk before being allowed to continue forward, on the good side
I'm getting baited aren't I
>>342941385
>not taking a 100 bottles of skooma and fly over the map
top kek
But I enjoy most of the games on both sides.
Anyone else notice how /v/ just randomly fails to open images and you get a 404 not found message?
>>342941474
Looking for a horror game? No.
Looking for a babby's first scifi story? Yes
>>342941496
No it isn't. Most of story-heavy games rely on the story only, whereas other games rarely rely only on gameplay
>I think arthouse games are bad.
>Even though I like Thief, Morrowind, and Half Life.
>Half-life 2
Because being locked into rooms while waiting for NPCs to finish their actions and dialogues is way better than skippable cutscenes
>>342941169
Infinite has terrible repetitive gameplay.
>>342941490
i play as a mage and my sword hits everytimecause i know how to play and doesnt invest points into polearms when i use swords
>>342941547
TLOU is garbage though.
Gameplay is repetitive, story is generic, characters are boring.
The enemy designs are probably the best part of the game.
>>342941465
It's a good... game... but I wouldn't tie my ballsack in a knot buddy.
>>342941596
Actually it is, you still can move and have the option to listen the story or not, but if you skip the cutscene you'll miss everything
>Story driven games are not allowed to exist because movies and books exist.
I guess movies should not exist because we had books all along.
Also why the fuck do W/JRPGs exist if we can all just play pen and paper.
>>342941608
>has
>gameplay
WOW
>>342941385
>The only reason people like it is because of the lore.
Found the teenager.
>>342941016
>metalgear solid in the picture
yeah no, eat shit. Except for mgs4 all mgs have a lot of interesting gameplay part to support the game.
>>342941559
Me too, anon.
>>342941630
>I never played TLOU
>>342941579
Then why did you put MGS in there?
Sure, it's heavily story based but the gameplay and music is also great.
Your image isn't consistent with the point you're trying to convey.
>>342941692
Movie takes 2h to watch, a book takes 2 weeks to read. Movie allows music and visuals. Books have overall better stories but there's lots of things you can do with the movies that you can't do with the books.
Vidya however adds almost nothing to movies. The fact that you have to pick up the controller and press X every now and then only makes it worse
The only truly good games in the OP are SS2 and Thief.
Dark Messiah is okay.
>>342941671
>you still can move
In a locked room.
>listen to the story or not
So you're missing out on the story anyway. What the fuck point are you trying to make?
>>342941016
>good games are pc games
>bad games are console games
the funniest thing is that is completely true
>>342941739
I played up until they brought the black pair in, the game was boring, so I stopped.
>>342941016
>Interactive movies
>bad
Paying $40 for an 8-10h movie is not a bad deal m8.Though I'd never pay more than $10
>>342941796
>Books have overall better stories
lmao holy shit
>>342941016
>every single one of those is western
Really makes you go "hmmmmm"
>>342941751
Not my image
>>342941808
That if you make a cutscene, make it dynamic and so that you can still move freely, not lock the camera and turn it into a movie for 5 minutes. But no cutscenes in better still
reminder that if you agree with this then you agree that PC is an objectively better platform
>>342941852
mm-hmm
>>342941889
Japanese generally don't even make games to consider worthy of playing, I'm sorry anon.Also MGS is right there you blind fuck
>>342941934
Only a fucking retard would agree, OP is a complete dunce
It's funny because HL2 and MGS are on the wrong sides.
>>342941671
It's just a cutscene you can't skip
If you don't care about the story you want to get back into the shooting. If it was a regular cutscenes you could press a button and go right to the shooting. But since it's all in game you're stuck waiting for the "cutscene" to finish
Being able to move around in a circle doesn't make it suddenly good for people who don't care about the plot
>>342941016
>OP took the time to make that image because he can't stand others playing things he doesn't like
Lmaoing at your life
>>342942061
Where do you think we are?
>>342941889
OP is on a holy mission to trigger every cancer killing video games: namely storyfaggotry and weebshit.
>>342941960
You're right actually, especially some studios completely lose their shit in a sequel, but for that they make perfection
Think of the most iconic video games and video game characters, ask fucking reddit of all places, and they'll mostly say Japanese characters and games
Literally the only thing I can think of that is regarded as "good" is Half Life and that's just an FPS. It didn't create them, it didn't revolutionize them, it's not even the only good one on PC, it's utterly random while it's regarded in such a high spotlight
>>342941796
Can you prove it makes it worse?
Or is that just your own opinion.
Because i am sure all those people who enjoy the games you criticize don't do it accidentally or are all lying to themselves AKA fake FUN buzzword.
Even if choice is just an illusion in some games its still fun and enjoyable for many people to pick how a character responds in some situations.
And you can shovel me the limited choice response all you want we unfortunately don't yet have quantum computers that can do real time simulations of the real world so variations on a same or similar story whit 2-3 branching paths is all we get at the current level of technology.
>>342941934
>nearly everygame on both sides is multiplat
>>342941889
>MGS
>>342941016
>using cinematic criteria
>to strongly recommend video games
>video games with bare minimum levels of interactivity
This has to stop.
>>342942048
>>If you don't care about the story you want to get back into the shooting.
>there is only story or shooting
There's much more than that in vidya
>Being able to move around in a circle doesn't make it suddenly good for people who don't care about the plot
Yes it does. Especially if the cutscenes are unskippable. Even in HL2 there was tons of shit you could do, jump on everything, whack things with crowbar or just fuck around. Like I said no cutscenes is the best option, but having the control is better than just looking at a pre-rendered cutscene
>>342941849
nice meme
>>342942106
>Can you prove it makes it worse?
Yes, picking up the controller and pressing the button take more strength than not doing so while it affects the results in no way.
Surely everyone has their taste, but I'd rather watch a movie than a cinematic vidya
>>342942240
>fuck around in a linear script heavy non sandbox is "gameplay"
the neo is real.
>>342942428
It is more gameplay than watching a cutscene
>>342941016
>It's an 'OP is an irredeemable cretin given a space to voice his worthless child-like opinions' episode
>Books with pictures
Good. Words and images combine to make a full experience. The point is to experience the story
>Books without pictures
Awful. Lots of words, little to no pictures. The point is to read words.
>>342941016
another day, another shitpost.
>>342941902
Cutscenes don't become dynamic by simply making the player move freely. If the dialogues and outcome of the cutscenes don't change, how is that dynamic? Nothing fucking changes except maybe the NPC turns their head or eyeballs in a different direction to look at the player. Its differences from traditional cutscenes are superficial at best.
>>342942624
>Lots of words
Found the ADHD
>>342941135
>i agree with that pic, except for mgs, only 4 is mostly a movie
Same here
>First post best post
>>342942809
Try reading the post and really think about the context in which it is presented. You can do it anon!
>>342941016
this bait is pretty funny because of the obvious contradictions like how f.e.a.r. does the same thing as Spec Ops but you have significantly more control over your character in Spec Ops
>>342941016
>Half-Life
>they let you control your character as you're locked in a room with a talking NPC
>DUDEEE YOU'RE ALWAYS IN CONTROL LMAOO FEW CUTSCENES xD
>>342941608
true, but it still is mostly that tedium instead of exposition.
>>342942106
Nigger, SOMA was great.
You had a few choices to make and they may or may not have give you feels or made you think.
They didn't really make a difference in the overall storyline or plot but still, it fleshed the game out.
Leaving things open to interpretation is a big part of what art is, isn't it?
Hence vidya can be art but not all vidya is art.
>>342941016
>It's a subtle shit on PlayStation and praise PC but actually multiplats thread
>implying at one time there wasn't room for both
The problem is that the right side is beginning to overtake the left.
The majority of the left side is older titles while the right is more modern. A narrative driven game is fine now and again but I'm getting tired of all this shit on a constant basis
>>342941692
Story-driven games are allowed to exist so long the player is forced to look for the story by themselves. Metroid Prime did this well.
>>342941321
>what is opinions
>what is different tastes
You should play nothing but racing sims and sport games by the sound of it anon
>>342941016
>comparing ugly trial and error trash that thinks it's smart like Hotline Miami to fucking System Shock
This game is so far up its own ass, it might as well be in the same category as Bioshock Infinite
>comparing actual games like Metal Gear Solid to Gone Home just because it has custcenes.
Say what you will about Kojima's writing, but the tactical espionage action in MGS is solid enough.
>>342941016
Morrowind, System Shock and Stalker are all shit and you know it.
Metal Gear's story IS shit and it's still fun.
Bioshock's story is arguably shit, maybe a few anal dribbled but not bleeding diarrhea, and it was also fun.
Until Dawn, Heavy rain, and Telltale games are literally Choose your own Adventure books where sometimes you have to wrestle the book away from a toddler.
>>342941321
Fix your bad taste, then.
I do agree some telltale games are crap and some other interactive games are crap, I am a big fan of the game Life Is Strange
>>342941016
Is it a coincidence that all the games on the left have poor stories while all the games on the right have good stories? Do you have to chose between gameplay and story?
>>342941016
>Half Life 2
>not a shitty interactive movie
Dem wide corridors
>>342943419
>Bioshock's story is arguably shit, ... and it was also fun.
>Morrowind, System Shock and Stalker are all shit and you know it.
excuse me?
>Metal Gear Solid
>interactive movie
just leave
>>342943419
What games do you like?
>>342941935
are you saying it's impossible for ANYBODY to find tlou boring? get your head out of your ass, anon. people have different tastes. i found tlou to be quite boring myself. ok, boring is the wrong word. let's say i have finished it and have no intention of ever touching it again. and that's not a good sign for a game
>not enjoying both and playing a fast/high skill cap or slow/low skill cap games depending on your mood
How does it feel to be a complete pleb and only play one or two genres? A true vidya enthusiast can appreciate good games of any genre.
>>342943968
>A true vidya enthusiast
labeling yourself as such makes you the biggest idiot in the room
>>342941630
Left 4 Dead + Children of Men = TLOU
Yeah, we're done here.
>>342943916
You've never played the multiplayer then, it's actually really good
>>342943968
>unironically enjoying low skill cap """games"""
Please neck yourself.
>>342944276
i did not. no. not the MP kinda guy. i bought the game for the single player content. and honestly, if a SP focused game turns uninteresting after a single playthrough, something went wrong.
>>342941016
>not enjoying visual novels as their own distinct form of media
gtfo
>>342944447
>I'm a mature gamer so I only play CS:GO and LoL
>>342941559
What shoe is this from? I wanna see her get reamed.
>>342941589
>art
>videogames
Epic joke my friend.
>>342943558
>Do you have to chose between gameplay and story?
Only if you're OP or severely retarded.
>>342944705
>LoL
>high skill cap
>>342944547
Visual novels almost always have terrible writing. Just look at the image you posted, terrible "game" for memelords.
>>342945042
It's the most competitive game currently.
>TWDS1
>TWAU
>Bad
>>342941169
also, because its core gameplay is awful
>>342943558
>Is it a coincidence that all the games on the left have poor stories
No they don't. What the fuck are you on?
Only way you'd ever think that is if you're one of those numale Kotaku employees who cannot follow any story that isn't in cutscene form.
>>342945209
Bioshock Infinite getting good reviews when the game is such utterly unfun poorly designed shit was the event that made me lose the last bits of trust I had in reviews.
>Gone Home doesn't even have cutscenes, it's technically interactive from start to finish. You listen to audio narration but you can do whatever you want during that time.
>Spec Ops The Line is a third person shooter that's just as valid as any other shooter on the market. Same with Bioshock Infinite and The Last of US
>Brothers is pretty damn interactive the whole fun of the game is making your thumbs do weird things with the analog sticks.
>You never played a Metal Gear Solid game.
>>342945406
>You never played a Metal Gear Solid game.
Not OP but I agree with his assessment.
>>342944208
Left 4 Dead is a coop shooter
TLOU is a ladder simulator
>>342941553
>"constantly"
>over exaggerating
>pic related: you
>>342945406
It's bait, what do you expect?
>>342941553
It's better when minor cutscenes and gameplay intersect.
Things like the fight just before you get the buggy, or Dog when you return to City 17.
You're right that it's boring just to sit around and listen to people talk and sometimes it gets boring, but the environments make up for it. There's a lot of detail in places like Kleiner's lab and Black Mesa East which can entertain you.
>>342941016
>a video game is not a video game if it doesn't adhere to my rigid, arbitrary definition of what a video game is
Okay.
>>342945143
Yeah, just like football?
>>342941016
Video games were invented so america could wave around their tech penis.
>>342941016
Name a successful choose your own adventure book, fag.
>>342941796
>2 weeks
What are you reading?
Where do point and click adventure games fall into this?
>>342941016
>Few cutscenes
>HL2
>FEAR
Nigga.
wut?
>>342945209
Whats the game on the right?
Fear was a completely generic FPS that occasionally had a super spoopy Japanese ghost girl pop up. I remember jumping into the mech in 2 and asking myself which part of this was supposed to be a horror game again.
>>342941016
People play games for different reasons. Some people like more story, some people like all action and I think either fine if you have fun when you play them.
>>342945370
Thankfully not even paid reviews saved the game. Fuck Ken Levine.
>>342946229
Halo
>>342941016
>half life
>not an interactive movie
lmao at this fag
>>342946404
>and I think either fine if you have fun when you play them
>if you have fun
>fun
>>342946576
The original HL was a great game, faggot.
>>342941016
>>342946609
>>342941135
Wasn't there an MGS game that had a cutscene over an hour long?
>>342947027
i think 4 has a bunch of those.
i dont recall 1,2,3 or 5 have anything like that
>>342947027
4's opening lasted an entire soccer match. God 4 was shit.
>>342947027
MGS4 has the world record for longest unbroken cutscene in a video game (something like an hour and 25 minutes), and I think it may also have the record for the longest playtime of all cutscenes in one game, but don't hold me to that.
>>342941135
4 is a more interesting game than 2 and 3
2 and 3 are only worth playing for the ending segments, everything before that is just filler
>>342945209
So I should just pick up Bioshock 1 and 2 from steam?
>>342947673
Bioshock 1 and 2 are fine games and I can think you can enjoy them; but they're very casualised compared to System Shock 2.
Infinite is a turd, don't even bother.
>>342945721
He never said they weren't video games, he's saying that they are shit video games because they forget the game part.
What belongs on the left side in the weeb sphere?
Off the top of my head Megaman Zero, Super Metroid, Fortune Summoners, Ketsui, and Elona+ come to mind.
how do I get into system shock 2?
I've mastered Paradox GS UIs but SS2 just leaves me dumbfounded
>>342948037
Why of all things Ketsui?
>>342943532
This was my least favorite movie-game.
All the parts with actual "gameplay" are "go find something", and it's usually in a nonsensical place, or Max is a complete klutz and fucks shit up repeatedly forcing you to use the time control gimmick to solve even the most basic of problems.
Worse than that, in the end none of your choices actually affect anything at all.
>>342941016
>aspiring to emulate higher art forms like novels or film
>bad
Anti-story retards are literally the same a anti-vaxxers.
>>342948331
We already have films and novels. If you're not using the interactivity of video games for the sake of your storytelling, you're a poor storyteller because you're in the wrong medium.
>>342948331
>A video game shouldn't just focus on being a game rather than trying to be something it's not.
You can take off that massive fedora now. Story is important in a game but it's supposed to take passenger seat at best and backseat at worst, because shitty gameplay can prevent someone from giving a damn about the story.
>>342945738
>implying football has a low skillcap
>>342948331
>decades of video games made
>not a single one worth mentioning for the story
>>342941016
There is nothing wrong with CYOA
>>342941016
>>342941016
All of those games suck balls, because they allow you to lower the difficulty, they have mini maps, they are handholdy as fuck.
Play a real and proper game, like Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3.
Fuck off casual whores.
>>342941016
edgy
>>342941016
>tl;dr: Triggered by BS:I
Meh. If Bioshock Infinite is an interactive movie so is HL2. Both are equally linear, both have restricted actions. As far as I remember BS:I didn't even have real "cutscenes". You always had at least some limited control of the character or at least the camera, which equally applies to HL2. And the gameplay of BS:I was at least equally good.
System Shock 2 and Morrowind had good stories, and if it wasn't for them they would've been not as good as they are.
Heavy rain is the prime example of a played movie. You just steer your character a little and have to do some QTEs every here and there. There exist good games in that category and bring in fresh air to the gaming industry.
>inb4 generation 2kkk
Comparing open world multi-linear games and strictly linear games is like comparing a lawn mower with clippers.
>>342949734
HL2 isn't nearly as bad as Bioshock Infinite.
>>342945209
>>342949734
>And the gameplay of BS:I was at least equally good.
b8 if I eaver heard it.
>>342941016
>Look at me! I like the OLD games! The games that are GOOD!
>I don't like new games, they are BAAAAAAD!
>Does /v/ like me yet?
The problem is that by responding to him I'm already giving him more attention than he deserves.
Still, if my (You) is the only way for the bumblefuck to stave off his inevitable suicide then knock yourself out I guess.
>>342949202
>titles here are an acquired taste at best
>999
>nintendo game
dropped
>The Last of Us
>movie
It's a decent shooter and even has a fun online multiplayer mode, how is it a fucking movie kek
>>342949202
i agree with this categorization
>>342949979
999, zero escape: VLR and zero escape: ZTD (coming to steam) are the only good thing that has come out of nintendo.
Those are the only "story" games I actually enjoy.
>>342949665
>>342947229
17 minutes for the longest one and 71 minutes total. You need to chill. It overdid it but you are overdoing it. 89 minutes would have been feature length nobody is going to watch a literal movie while trying to play a game.
>>342941016
You do know that in the 90's our RPG games had Game-play AND Story. Every so often we can find that now-a-days.
Also wouldn't a choose your own adventure book the same as a choose your own game. If they want to buy it let them, don't be so annoying and complain about what they want to pay for that.
>>342950051
But anon, every shooter with cutscenes is a movie, the singleplayer mode of TLoU was kinda meh though, especially near the end
>throw object there
>shoot
>throw bomb there
>shoot
>throw smoke bomb there
>knife
Also I doubt many people actually played the multiplayer
Games with stories
>The Last of Us
>Silent Hill 2
>Metal Gear Solid
>Bloodborne
>Grand Theft Auto 3
>Half Life
>Final Fantasy
>Valkyrie Chronicles
>Mother 3
Games without stories
>Angry Birds
>Candy Crush
>Overwatch
>DDR and Guitar Hero
>Barbie Magic Hair Styler
>Frozen Elsa Pregnant Foot Surgery
>>342941016
MGS doesn't belong there
Yes, there might be a lot of cutscenes, but outside of those cutscenes MGS is one of the most video-gamey games ever, and isn't ashamed to be a video game unlike most other games in that column
>>342950338
My mistake, my memory of the information was merely inaccurate and I didn't fact check myself for 100% accuracy.
>>342941016
Spec Ops is great, the 'do you feel like a hero yet?' was dumb as shit though.
>>342941016
Man fuck you story games can be good games. So its a story-heavy game. Its not completely devoid of being vidya. Take pic related.
This game rocks your shit man and its so super story-heavy.
>>342950338
How about the ending? I was sitting there not playing the game for an hour as everything was closed up.
>>342951559
Witcher is clearly a real game.
>>342941016
Why were movies invented why not just read books.
>>342951597
Yeah I'm just proving a point to OP that good games can be story-heavy.
>>342951674
But you're free to ignore the story completely.
>>342951753
To be fair a few of the metal gears just by technology stand points are impressive and could cause people to ignore the story.
>>342941385
I give you this morrowind pill. Take it and play this game and try your best to beat it. Tell me how you do later one.
>>342941016
>I like playing interactive story's more
Can we get a board to away from the children to talk about them?
You can skip the cutscenes in MGS. They have a ton of gameplay content.
Except mgs4.
