>Dark Souls will never be a comfy open world RPG
>You will never find towns, populated honest to goodness towns with shops, story related NPCs, blacksmiths with their own selection of items, mages with their own specialty spells, apothecaries which sell strange consumables, and a tavern where you can find warm, happy, developed characters like Siegmeyer who would gladly join you on your quest
>You will never seek out the famous characters such as Big Hat Logan with only a few hints to go on for finding them, such as in the tower with the roof shaped like his hat
>You will never go on small little personal quests, such as making this one crestfallen sad sack happy again
>You will never see Astora, Carim, Thorolund, Vinheim, Balder, or Berenike at all, let alone in their prime
>You will never talk to the hollow soldier before he goes hollow
>The cycle will continue, and while the cycling circle has no beginning and no end, we will never see any other point than the waning of the fire
Of all the words of tongue and men, the saddest are these;
What could have been.
yeah, thats the point of the game's setting.
>>342810276
/thread
sorry OP
hey
can you help me kill myself
>>342810276
Exactly this.
>>342810154
Baldur's Gate, Oblivion, Planescape: Torment, Pillars Of Eternity, Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas, Morrowind, the list goes on.
>>342810154
Then it wouldn't be dark souls
>>342810154
>Dark Souls will never be a stylish character action game where you play as Artorias or the Abyss Watchers
>>342810154
Kill yourself you failure of a human. You're a waste of space. Chop chop.
Not OP but I think seeing the world in its prime would fit the setting because you know that it will all eventually fizzle out and die adding a sort of worthlessness to everything you do.
Who knows, maybe one of their current projects is an open world RPG using the combat from the soul series. Miyazaki said it would be wrong to keep making Souls-like games, he didn't say anything about using some of the mechanics in their other games.
I know it's a meme to say ______ with Souls combat, but I'd really like to see it done. I'd love if they added other elements like hunger, thirst, disease, fatigue and danger from the elements like cold and rain, or heat etc.
>>342810704
Artorias Of The Abyss already did that, friendo.
>>342810857
Yeah Oolacile was really in its prime alright.
>>342810857
What. Oolacile was already fucked with Abyss sperm all over the place.
>no gargoyle mode in neither of DaS games
>Dark Souls will never be a comfy open world RPG
Well thank Allah for that.
>>342810154
>no keanu edit
>>342810606
Artorias spin-off by Platinum Games when?
>>342811114
>>342811265
It didn't need to be in its prime. It was a glimpse, and it was the absolute BEST way to do it: Artorias' grave is the Oolacile Sanctuary, the Darkroot Garden is the Royal Wood, and the grassy enemies in Darkroot used to be the gardeners for the Royal Wood. Then the glimpse is tarnished IMMEDIATELY, with the Abyss doing its work on the Royal Wood and Oolacile. We can see the walls of Anor Londo from down there, which must be bustling with people but we can only imagine it. We can only imagine what Oolacile was like before shit got fucked. It's perfect. Absolutely perfect.
>>342810276
I get that. I've seen Fromsoft's world destroyed nearly four times now. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, and 3. Should From make another Dark Souls game and it looks the same while still remaining interesting, I'd still buy that. I love Dark Souls for what it is. I enjoy the gameplay, the mechanics, the weapon variety, the dress up, the charming characters and the interesting lore. But what would really shock me, what would really throw me for a loop, is if for one game, the theme was different. The ideas of the flame wavering and faltering but never truly dying could be present in the game's world, but it doesn't have to be about that. The design of places such as Izalith, Heide's and Irithyl and the proposition that people once lived in these places is so incredibly, damnably interesting that I just want to see it for myself. I can imagine it myself, sitting in my chair working my mind, but I'd like to see what the people who made these places in the first place have to say about how far the world's fallen from grace.
>>342811594
>>342811696
pleb souls:
dark souls 1, 2, 3
TRUE and PATRICIAN souls:
demon souls, dark souls, bloodborne
>>342810154
Oh yeah, I'd love to play yet another open world JRPG in a series that is already shit at lore. It'd be pointless wandering and fights. The only thing holding it together now is having some linearity so that the level design is good. Take that away and it's the most blatant grindfest in history.
>>342810492
Is Pillars of Eternity good?
It's on sale for like $20 on steam, buy or nah? I like the genre.
>>342811864
>Dark Souls is both pleb and patrician at the same time
>>342811864
>DS1 in both lists
>>342812058
>>342812060
I'm talking about how people see the series. Sorry for the wrong wording.
If you only see the Souls as "Dark Souls 1, 2 3" , you're pretty pleb and I can tell you're probably one of the people who fell for the 2hard meme.
I remember watching a video on Demon Souls, the Storm King boss fight, and I looked at the comments.
>looks like dark souls
>dark souls rip off?
These fucking memers had Pepe and meme avatars too, fucking gamers.
>>342811960
20 bucks, I'd go for it.
Alright, guys. What area in Dark Souls would you have wanted to live in during its prime?
Eluem Loyce for me. Its Anor Londo with a nice snow setting. King is the biggest bro ever and Queen is a total qt.
>>342811936
>grinding
>Souls
>>342812419
>he didn't collect every set in the game
lol
>>342812282
Undead Settlement, probably. Seemed like a decent enough place for commoners from the item descriptions until Sully ruined it.
>>342811864
They're all good faggot. Demon's Souls has my favorite areas and setting but Dark Souls one-ups it in nearly every other way. Dark Souls II wasn't at all as good as the first game, but I can enjoy it all the same. Bloodborne was fun, I enjoyed the gameplay for the most part, but I didn't like not being able to become a Knight. The best part about Souls for me was being able to go from nothing (deprived) to a warrior knight and being able to complete my quest through strength and bravery. That being said, Bloodborne isn't a Souls game so I can appreciate that they did something different with it. Dark Souls III was very similar to the first game, while pulling all the good shit from both II and Bloodborne. The only thing it perhaps didn't do as well was the world building and design, fast travel from the get go and not having Firelink connect to the first or any level was a little disappointing.
Power ranking?DaS>DeS=DaS3>DaS2=Bloodborne
>>342810154
thanks for finally realizing darksoils is shit.
Time to move on from this meme game at last. Welcome to adulthood OP
>>342812509
Self-imposed grinding does not mean the game requires grinding.
>From Software will never die and Bethesda will never pick up the IP to turn it in something truly great
I feel you OP
>>342811490
see the world in its prime
>aota already did that
oolacile wasn't in its prime
>it didn't need to be
so aota didn't show the world in its prime but it already showed it in its prime.
>>342812696
yeah but when we souls types take an honest, non fanboi look at our game, we find that it does take a bit of grinding to find the right builds and especially to get the weapon and armor set necessary to beat the game.
>>342810154
D's is pretty comfy, I'd "live" there.
>>342812282
None, because even in their prime every location sounds like a shithole for humans.
>>342812696
This. Did anybody actually grind in souls? You literally just beat the level/boss then move on. Repeating areas is pointless unless you're in NG+ or doing it in coop.
I had a friend play it once and every time he hit the boss gate he'd run back to the bonfire to level up. He did it 10 times each boss gate. This autistic fuck was overleveled for everything, but still too shit to actually beat the game.
>>342812890
>we find that it does take a bit of grinding to find the right builds and especially to get the weapon and armor set necessary to beat the game.
I've always just used what I could until I met the requirements for a weapon I wanted to use. Nobody should be grinding for specific sets or weapons in the first playthrough, that would suggest that you've looked up how and where to get those items, which certainly isn't my ideal way of playing games, specifically Souls games.
Are you one of those people who'd watch a youtube video or look up something remotely about the game while you're still playing it? I can't do that shit to myself, if anything gets spoiled, even enemy locations, I get mad with myself. I hate knowing what's coming when I shouldn't.
Anybody here played Salt and Sanctuary?
Is it any good?
>>342811770
>>342811696
I get that Dark Souls' environments is based a lot on real life, but what really got me wanting stuff like this is Crestfallen's debug videos, where he posts videos of places from different perspectives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEwNgfbBHhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_R94Ms5ys
It's kind of like what that anon said before; a glimpse. It's just a glimpse. It's great at making me imagine, but that's like telling a man dying of thirst to drink your tears. A thirsty man needs more than just drops. I need more.
>>342812794
Todd pls.
>>342812794
Todd, just stop. This isn't good for your health.
C'mon Todd, I'll go make us some cocoa. I'll evendors put sone irish cream in it for you.
>>342811594
As much as i love the existing formula, youre right, id love to see something slightly different, but then im a sucker for large, grand cities and stuff. Since the world gets a kind of reset button when the fire is linked, they could make a game where you play in the period where the flame is JUST starting to flicker, and the first few undead arise. That could be interesting as everyone would be confused and horrified at these random soldiers who never ever die. Seems like the time period (relative to the progression of the flame) would be the best bet for making another game. But ill be honest, i want another game, the gameplay is too good to stop here, even if stopping here would be the best thing for the lore
>>342810478
someone respond to this post soon please
>>342812816
Artorias Of The Abyss showed the exact moment of the start of the decline of Lordran: you catch a glimpse of it in its prime. This isn't difficult.
>>342811770
I don't think I could go there without duck & cover PTSD or paranoia or something kicking inCHUNKCRASH
>>342811960
>>342812212
No no no no, fucking terrible advice.
Pillars of eternity's combat was so bad. Completely void of challenge or fun.
>>342813716
/kill.
You're welcome
>>342813236
thought about getting it, but only 10% off.
>>342811696
>>342811770
this is now a places that could have inspired souls devs thread
>>342810154
>you will never see moths actually move when people talk
>>342810154
All they'd have to do is set the game a bit further away from the time that the fire fades
>>342810154
No one cares you stupid nigger. Why the fuck would a game called Dark Souls need to be fucking 'comfy'? Holy shit you're fucking mentally ill. Go make some more faggot trap threads on /b/ you useless faggot.
>>342815335
Shit man, I hate moths
I don't think I'd be able to play that
>>342815535
FINALLY the comfy manchild meme is coming to an end.
>>342815535
Someone was beaten as a child
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina
>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina
>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character
>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character
>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks.
>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill
>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons
>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)
>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build
>Fun PvP covenants that were unique
>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun
>Rat covenant providing two unique optional areas for pvp that heavily involve the environment for pharros lockstone farming
>Blue Sentinel covenant had cracked blue orbs for arbiter invading and punishing sinners
>>342815826
>ds2 is better because it awfully cripples you and is anti fun
ds2 apologists confirmed for gays
>>342815335
>>342815592
>Doesn't want cute moth people
what is wrong with you
>>342816145
>anti fun
Go back to LoL faggot.
>>342816145
>literally reuse the smelter demon
>reuse artorias like six times
>meme areas like iron passage or sanctum city
>interesting lore of first game that ties together replaced with "Vendrick gets cucked and war is waged on giants for little reason"
>areas are designed to fulfill video game quota rather than because of what they can add to the gameplay and the story
ds2 apologists confirmed for boring
Allowing more than one white phantom was a mistake. A white and a sunbro was acceptable.
Why the fuck does Miyazaki hate invaders so much? Did he make PvP a 4v1 on purpose so casual players don't get mad? Outside of shitty tryhard dueling, DaS3 PvP is basically dead already because of that shit.
You're stuck with duels and MAYBE a 5% chance of invading someone that's alone or with ONE other white phantom.
Bloodborne would've had the best PvP if it wasn't for those fucking broken gem farming garbage to 2-shot everyone. Fucking FromSoft.
>>342810154
That's the fucking point, it's a dead world
>>342816945
Yes, of course. That point has been made five times by now. Why not make a different point now? The concept of the cycle has been foreshadowed, shown, and attempted to be circumvented to no avail. Life, death, and rebirth is the cycle, and we have become very familiar with death and rebirth by now.
>>342815826
Don't forget bonfire Ascetics, which allowed you to fight bosses multiple times and even unlock NG+ items without having to go to NG+.
Or the champion's covenant which made the game harder and allowed you to farm any item you wanted if you wanted respawns on.
Or how you could just straight up skip everything in the game and go to Drangleic if you accumulated a million souls.
Or how there were optional bosses and areas that were purposely designed with co-op in mind, so that the entire game wouldn't be a fucking joke if you summoned.
Or how the majority of stats are actually fucking useful and all serve a purpose.
>>342815826
>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build
I'm a Dark Souls II apologist but this isn't entirely true. My second character required the Grand Lance and Ivory King Set (for roleplay), both of which took until literally the endgame before I could get (Shrine of Winter opens at midgame but Loyce Knights are tough to solo at that point). I'm now on my third character who is a Sorcerer since I've never done a spell-only run before and in order to get the build I want I need to get items from the Undead Crypt which is AFTER the halfway point.
Playing Dark souls for the first time and rolled a knight. At the starting point after undead asylum, what do?
>>342818921
catacombs
>>342818921
Find a path that goes up.
>>342818653
You could've just ascetic'd a boss a bunch of times, went the Drangleic and gotten your set.
>Sorcerer since I've never done a spell-only run before and in order to get the build I want I need to get items from the Undead Crypt which is AFTER the halfway point.
What would you need from UD crypt to go a Sorcerer build?
Can anyone drop me a purging stone in blighttown? I'm kinda fucked
>>342810154
>you will never talk to the hollow solider before he goes hollow
Oscar?
>>342821283
>no mention of platform
>>342821789
Steam , PC
>>342819038
Change for a lighter armor as soon as possible, i didnt realise I could fast roll till the sewer level, go up to ring the first bell
>>342819038
Don't
>>342818921
>guys I'm playing the game for the first time can you ruin it for me by directing me around
ok, go to the cemetery, there's an overpowered sword there for early game called zweihander
Yeah, thank fucking God none of that bullshit is in the game.
If you want that shit play something like the Witcher or another JRPG. Leave Souls what it is, thanks. The little tidbits we get about the world are way better as just tidbits instead of huge courses of dialogue and character choices.
Get that shit out of my face.
>>342818921
Go downstairs into the catacombs. The best weapon is in there, the crystal great scythe which you can use from the get go. Makes your first play through absolutely great. It scales up with you very well and there are no stay requirements to wield it. Plus the skelingtons are piss ez. Have fun
Also don't listen to >>342819095
It's bait. It leads to a very difficult boss fight, the Bullman Demon, which you are meant to fight later on. Good luck
>>342822782
The Witcher never appealed to me. It takes place in Not!Poland, with realistic yet flavorful armor, you only get to play as Geralt and you only get any variation as to how you play a two-sword using alchemist medieval Batman. There's nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't tick with me the same way Dark Souls does. Smough would not fit in anywhere other than Dark Souls' universe, for example. You would rarely see anyone in a fat suit which doubles as armor brandishing a cartoonishly large hammer which seems to be constructed by impaling a stop sign into a barrel and plating it in solid gold; rather, you would not see this character played straight, and you would not read about him being idolized in the later games after his death. Dark Souls characters all have unique silhouettes, unique personalities, as do all the weapons, the armor, the areas. Some things look real, believable, and unassuming, while others surprise you with how outrageous they are. They are almost all balanced with each other, very few things are inherently inferior to another. These are all things that I feel are severely lacking in other open world games.
I don't want the franchise to turn into an Open World series, I know. It's just that I want everything Dark Souls has in an open world for once. Just a spin-off.
>>342810625
Why are you this unreasonably angry over a videogame?
>>342811594
> I love Dark Souls for what it is.
Might as well delete this dull thread then.
