How a good matchmaking system works: As you win you get placed with and against more skilled players, creating fun and exciting games.
How Overwatch matchaking works: The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get. The game will put you into games with people who have lost many games and task you with carrying them. This goes on until you have gone on a long enough losing streak to put you closer to a 50% winrate.
How in the actual fuck is this allowed?
>>342797251
ranked is literally in less than a month
shut up
>>342797251
is this the new meme thats replacing 20hz meme?
>>342797352
I thought it was supposed to be released by the end of June.
>>342797251
Please read this and kindly fuck off:
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371
>>342797251
You have no proof this is how it works in Overwatch.
>join game
>DEFEAT
happened to me at least 10 times now lel
I bet people are leaving before the match is over to avoid the loss added to their profile
>>342797251
You're describing ranked you moron, comes out soon as well. Till then play with a full team and your experience will improve.
>>342797251
This is why you play with friends you stupid nigger.
>>342799778
Unranked has this system too though
>>342797587
>replacing
People have been saying it forever, it's the same matchmaking as HOTS aka complete shit
>>342797251
>As you win you get placed with and against more skilled players, creating fun and exciting games.
>More skilled players kick your shit in, you lose, winrate levels at 50% indicating you're always evenly matched
Sounds like everything is working as expected senpai
>People with 50% winrates makehuge assertions instead of accepting they arent as good as they think they are
Hurr Im not bad, its that Overwatch has a comple system designed to find bad players and put them in my team!
>>342800195
Its really not fun to have to have my shit kicked in. I rather it be completely random
>>342797251
Truth. The sad truth is that elo cannot exist in games with more than two players so a bullshit matchmaking/fixing system must be created
>>342800352
someone has to lose, it just so happens that you only remember the times YOU lost
doesnt winning 50% of the time mean you're playing at your skill level? i dont play this game but i can't help but think if there was a 50% winrate in any other game /v/ wouldnt care but because of "Le Blizzard sux xd blizshills btfoooo" they just constantly shit on this one
>>342801123
A lot of people probably agree with that statement but then get salty anyway cause they think they deserve a higher winrate. That they're better than 50% of the player base and its just everyone else dragging them down.
>>342801123
You're right and nah man it happens in every game. Dota, League, Smite... Anything really
Whats the name for this? Selection bias? But it happens all the time
>>342800891
I would not be nearly as flustered if it wasn't predetermined by matchmaking. Ever since I realized the 50% thing is real its become frustrating.
>>342797251
hey man
i won around 12 games last night, 6 or so were a streak i think
sorry that you suck at the game, 600+ games and i have never felt like i was put in a game to carry retards against people with higher mmr
the logic of that is just retarded too, because by saying that you are admitting that the system also sometimes puts you against people much shittier than you, so you didnt really deserve the wins you did get anyway.
haha
shitter
>everyone wins almost exactly 50% of the time (except for the actual top tier players but shh)
>this proves the matchmaking sucks
>>342801669
well dude, if it was random the "MATCHMAKING GAVE ME A TEAM OF RETARDS" complaints would actually be true
matching people of similar skill is something pretty much every game with a matchmaking system does. the 50% is just a result of that plus the fact that most people are, well, average at the game.
just try to enjoy the vidyagame man. look at every loss as a chance to improve
>>342797352
You think ranked is going to fix this.
It's just going to give you a number to get angry about while your team mates afk while on facebook.
>>342801909
>these 8 guys are not effected by the forced winrate therefore it's not a flaw, remember Blizzard can do no wrong!
Every time.
Ill look for it as a chance to improve when I dont get 2 hanzos and a torbjorn on attack or something similarly dumb whenever im at or above 54% win loss
People keep saying that it puts you with people in the same skill level. That's horseshit.
1)There are very few games that aren't completely one sided.
2)if you win a couple of matches, you can be damn sure your about to get your shit kicked in.
I have NEVER seen a game that so blatantly forces you into a near 50% winrate like this. They either stock the odds in your favor with a good team, or give you retarded shitheads that don't know they're playing a team game.
Its still fun though, but if its like this in ranked, Im gonna be so fucking pissed I put $40 into the game
>>342801946
>the 50% is just a result of that plus the fact that most people are, well, average at the game.
That's not how percentages work.
>>342801946
Jesus Christ how do you retards not realize how forced 50 works? If you win some you get put with literal bottom of the barrel trash players on your team. If you lose some you get really good people on your team. Unless you play with a full pre-made group there is zero way of getting around the forced 50.
This is not good matchmaking, it's rigged matchmaking to make terrible players feel better so they buy more loot crates.
>>342799825
Why is /pol/ invading /v/? Why Does everyone just ignore this racism?
>>342799714
god damn that pisses me off
>those people that unironically go "well then carry every single game on your own if you're so good :^)"
You don't have to be a fucking master of gaming to not be put with 4 hanzos.
>>342802182
If it were a forced 50% winrate, they'd put those "8 guys" on teams with 0.0001 MMR Hanzos and force them back down. Hence the word "forced", you fucking idiot.
>>342802275
but how can blizzard ever know who is really good and who is bottom of the barrel if EVERYONE is forced to 50
like you claim
haha
hahahah cucks
>>342799714
>Free EXP for doing nothing
What's the problem here?
>oh no my W/R ratio that literally no one cares about!
>>342802417
Well maybe they do put them with complete shitters but they are good enough to carry them?
>>342801946
Halo, despite for some reaso being shit on here, has great matchmaking. I have a 70% winrate and most of the matches I play are very well balanced. If you are at a 50% winrate constantly, it means that the game is rigging who you play with in a way to get you there.
>>342802275
>terrible players feel better so they buy more loot crates.
pretty much this. I knew the game was casual, but this is fucking garbage
Forced 54% is more like it
>>342797587
it's not a new meme. it's been parroted by shitters in every online game ever with a matchmaking system
>>342802307
How new are you faggot
>>342802460
>Winrate is the only thing they measure
literally what the fuck is wrong with you.
>>342802307
Shut up nig nog
>>342802460
They don't need to?
>>342802485
Oh you will care about your W/R ratio in ranked because otherwise the game will force you to play with and/or against complete retards, making every round a onesided steamroll.
>>342797251
This is like what DOTA 2 did. It even went so far as to mix in people from other regions like Russians just to hinder you.
>In a match
>Team-mates don't group up and instead just run in 1 by 1 and die
>I have to teach people how to play the game every single match
When will this stop? I'm basically unable to play a support class because if I don't carry my team we just lose.
>>342802534
:^(
t. mg2 on csgo
>>342802647
NOOO IT'S NOT TRUE EVERYBODY COMPLAINING IS JUST A SHITTER M-MUH BLIZZARD
>>342802594
>>342802602
>>>/pol/ is that way
>>342802269
its not about the percentage, its just that most people have very similar skill levels, leading to the 50% winrates.
>>342802275
>win game
>MM thinks you're getting better
>puts you and other people who it also thinks are getting better against a team of more skilled players
>lose game
>MM thinks you arent so hot
>puts you against people who aren't as good
>you win
>>342802514
winning most of the time is the definition of not balanced. the thing is, winning feels good so you're OK with the matchmaking
>>342802606
You can't get back-filled into a ranked game.
>>342802736
you didn't answer my question you faggot. how new are you?
>>342799714
I thought the match doesn't count if you join an already losing team and if they win the round then it does count
>>342797765
They devs literally stated that's how it works. I have a pic of the Blue post on my computer but I'm in bed on phone atm
>>342802691
>play game with randoms
>tell them overchat to stick together
>They listen and we steamroll the enemy because we play in unison
>next match they all forget and they go in 1 by 1 and die
What the fuck. can these people not retain information for more than 10 minutes
>>342802701
t. 1.5 k/d NOGF
>>342802801
Wait, doesn't that mean if someone from your team leaves for whatever reason then all other 5 players are pretty much fucked?
>>342797745
>nobody read it
I usually completely stomp the enemy team or I get completely stomped.
I feel as though I'm not being matched with my skill level at all.
Games are never even or close. It's always a stomp either side.
I'm level 73 btw
>that forced 50%
>>342802950
You got to be one gullible retard to believe anything that's posted officially by Blizzard or on Blizzard owned sites.
>>342802790
Holy shit you people are so stupid. You're not at 50% because you're playing with similarly skilled people. Its at 50% because blizz wants it to be. You will literally get level 10s and 20s on your team and go against people over level 100 if you've won a couple matches and vice versa. Its rigged. Its not about similar skill at all.
>>342797251
i dont get why people pick snipers when some of the best heroes in the game have massive aoe and are very mobile
>>342803003
But that's exactly how the forced 50% thing is supposed to work.
>>342802810
/v/ was never this racist before the whole Trump thing. Get off my /v/ please.
>>342802606
>hurr durr solo queuing in a team game
Why do you care about your rank or performance if it hinges on how well others perform? The meta in this game isn't just "i can shoot better than them lols" but you need to be able to coordinate and operate as a team. Anyone who can do this has friends and can make a team...
I didn't believe it, but after getting a nice winstreak, I've gotten an equally bad losestreak. It's yet to end, but my w/l ratio is almost back to 50%.
I don't want to believe in a forced 50, but fuck it all if it's my luck.
>The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get. The game will put you into games with people who have lost many games and task you with carrying them.
You were that teammate. You got carried. The rest of your team did go on to play better people, and you got put with your people. It is allowed because of you.
>>342803121
You literally got here 2 months ago. /v/ has always used racial slurs. Its not even about being a racist or a bigot or whatever Tumblr buzzword of the month you want to use.
>>342802790
The game goes out of its way to put you with shitters if your doing too good. forced 50% doesn't make the game balanced, especially if its about putting you in situations where you either WILL win, or WILL NOT win
Forced 50% is an inherent quality of matchmaking and of math in general
Also im 600 games in and at 63% WR, git gud
>>342797745
>>342797745
>Player MMR vs the Opposing Teams Average MMR
This is literally the worst system and is the exact cause that forces retards into games with good players. This is exactly what forced 50% is.
>>342802790
No.
>win game with decent players of similar skill levels against those of similar skill levels
>MM thinks you're getting better and places you in a game with people of similar skill levels
>lose game
>MM thinks you arent so hot so loses its shit and decides to put your higher skilled group into a group of idiots against another group that is larger than yours but of similar skill level
>sum total anyone outsaide of your group sucks dog dicks and you and your queued group are forced to carry idiots against the team that is like yours, but bigger and more capable of playing with coordination
>you lose again because of a system that cannot match groups of similar skill levels and fills in blank spots with random jack offs
That is the problem, not getting bad groups in randoms as a solo. It's that a group of three people always has two randoms of low skill against 5 and 6 man teams of semi-competent players. You have to fill a full 6 person team or you are guaranteed losses that could otherwise have been 50/50 matches purely measured on skill.
>>342802942
Yes, that's why they're looking at season-long bans for leavers.
>>342803239
Racism is unacceptable in any form on this board. Most people here aren't racist white faggots like you
>>342803273
Post proof or fuck off.
If you're being matched up with people equal to your skill level, wouldn't the winrate be around 50%?
>>342803113
Are you acting like forced 50% is a good thing? holy fuck I need a minute to process this physically disgusting act
>>342797251
>Start playing OW with 2 other friends. Get matched with a bunch of extremely low leveled and obviously new players. Crush them. Rub out 2 games with this mix of people before it pulls us out to rematch us. Suddenly we're put up against fucking Seal Team 6 and are utterly destroyed.
GG no re.
>>342803349
>the matchmaker does not put me in a place where i will win all my games all the time
>its a shit system
>>342803391
Fuck off
>>342803031
Level means time spent playing, not skill. That level 2 player could be a Quake CPMA veteran, or a top rated player from the beta who just got around to buying the game
>>342803364
groups of three get three idiot randoms usually sorry my mistake
also outside*
>>342803391
>RACISM IS BAD
>WONT BE TOLERATED
>BUT I CAN CALL YOU A """""FAGGOT""""" ALL I WANT!
Kek fuck off back to Tumblr or Facebook new friend.
>>342803391
>faggots
I got a 3 day boot from /biz/ for this one not long ago. Wish I had a screencap but the "reason" was
>Learn a different insult
>>342797251
match making isn't fun period. if I don't like losing, I want to be able to find a server thats a right fit for my skill level and play for several hours there. not hopping from rando to rando probably getting shit on the entire time with only one good game in the bunch
>>342803492
>The matchmaker puts me in situation where you literally cannot win, or literally cannot NOT win the game
>Its not a shit system
>>342803521
Time is correlated with skill level for the most part even if it is not always true. It is important to remember that shootin game expurts still have to get used to mechanics are new strategies when they move to a new game.
>>342803492
>Missing the point
I'm a 61% winrate because I play with 6, it's a shitty system regardless faggot.
>>342803521
More time spent also means more familiarity with the game mechanics, characters and maps though. Giving them an inherent advantage to someone that is brand new to the game. Being good in one game doesn't always translate immediately into another. He could be a """"""""""pro"""""""""" in one game but be shit in another for a while.
>>342803364
Stomps still happen in 6-man groups, frienderino. It's exactly the fucking same.
>>342803543
Fuck off back to stormfront you racist asshole. Don't you have a klan rally to attend?
>>342797251
>matchmaking
>ever good
i remember a halo 3 match where i went 43-3. matchmaking is broken as fuck
>/v/'s face when OW becomes an unplayable tryhardfest
>>342797251
It works based off mmr. If you have ever played ranked in a moba you would know IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS fuk off with da b8.
>>342797587
>new meme
>meme in general
forced 50 has been a thing since League of Legends and possibly even earlier. It was even a thing in a way with TF2 with the "team scramble"
>>342797251
Don;t you guys have general in vg. Please fuck off to that thread.
>>342803031
Overwatch MMR has nothing to do with level. I mean sure, you'll see more high levels with high MMR, but the system doesn't factor level in at all.
>>342803739
I know; I'm saying the only way to even combat it in a primary sense is to field a 6 man team from the start to remove the randoms who will inevitably shit on your planning. It isn't a 100% reversal of the damn system; if anything it proves how shit the system can be. Win a few times--- then look, the system just paired you with pro tier 6-mans who have way above average win rates due to skill, but who are way above your teams skill level still, thus bumping you down again.
>great team comp, excellent coordination, great teamfights
>win two rounds playing with the same people
>kicks everyone out and places me into a "better" match
>instalock Hanzo, Widowmaker, Reaper, Bastion
>on offense
>get destroyed and can't even get the first point because literally bumbling babies on my team playing with their fat feet
Yeah this sure is fair!
who /54% win rate since day one/ here
this is what 20 years of shootan gets me
>>342803804
this is me
>"casual" game
>all the casual shitters like to pretend they're MLG pro and shit on anyone who doesn't while the actual good players stick together and steamroll pubs
>>342803804
I just want dedicated servers like TF2 so I can play with /a/ and /v/ and just fuck around for 100s of hours.
>>342803980
If you can't carry your entire team your a bad player
Jeff Kaplan: "Winning is fun"
Sums up the entire match-making system.
Shitty players (normies) aren't going to keep playing the game if they just constantly lose.
There are 7 million people playing the game, the vast, vast majority of them are going to be awful at it.
>>342802275
do you not realize that this is how every game's matchmaking works? they calculate everyone's skill level, and match the teams so that the total skill level of each team is equal. csgo does this, so does league. they all do it. we don't have the luxury of being on an irl team, with tryouts and training. your team changes every game, and you have to be stuck with players that are worse than you.
i'm just saying this because you are acting like this is something that is exclusive to blizzard.
>>342804075
>other games do it so it's okay if this does too even if it's an inherently flawed and garbage way of dealing with matchmaking
Fuck off idiot.
>>342803426
Yes. The "problem" is literally that matchmaking works.
>>342802219
>if its like this in ranked, Im gonna be so fucking pissed I put $40 into the game
Betabros said it is
>>342804075
Overwatch isn't based on overall skill.
If you do good for awhile, your about to get you ass raped. and viceversa. I don't think its possible to win more than 4 or lose more than 6 games in a row solo with randoms.
>>342804042
Dedicated servers are never happening for a console game.
>>342803003
Im 71 and most of my games go into overtime. Like, its uncommon for my games to be super one-sided.
Im guessing youre on NA? I hear NA is ez mode tho so
>>342804058
This was stale bait 20 years ago.
>>342804276
several CoDs have done it, friendo
>>342803804
/vg/ is trying to make that, but it will never happen unless Blizzard allows for private communities to play more or less exclusively within themselves.
>>342804064
Jeff's tirade was more closely summarized by "you shouldn't expect to win so much"
Which is code for "shut up, sit down, and accept forced 50"
>>342803707
I get what youre saying but the thing is, most people plateau really quickly once they reach a basic level of competence. At that point you only get better if you either have the instincts/talent or make a focused effort to improve. Very few people have it or are willing to put the work in.
>>342804276
I am very much aware, which is disappointing because it's probably going to ultimately kill most of the long-term playerbase. Competitive will help for a few months, but that's it.
>>342804206
Dunning-kruger in full effect 90% of the time
>>342799714
>join game
>payload inches from being stuck up our ass
>lock bastion
>hold shit down for 5 minutes
>we win
Shows that the leavers are the true shitters.
>>342804064
>Shitty players (normies) aren't going to keep playing the game if they just constantly lose
They are if they're set up against each other. I just want a matchmaking system like SC2 where I'm placed against those of roughly equal skill.
>>342803391
>Racism is unacceptable in any form on this board
Top quality bait.
This game makes me look forward to CoD:IW and BF1. fuck
The cancer is P2P/Automatic-only matchmaking.
Dedicated servers were perfectly fine until COD fucked everything up.
So what if there's team imbalances here and there? Servers give a sense of community and home.
>>342804539
Didn't you already get enough of the same with BF3/4/Hardline? 1 is just the same shit with a different skin and almost zero historical accuracy.
>>342804674
CoD4 and WaW had dedicated servers though. They didn't start the meme that ended widespread support for them faggot.
>>342804276
It might. The game is a PC game, and some balancing patches are going to consoles and not hte PC version because it doesn't affect M+KB
mfw i didn't fall for the 'forced 50%' meme
>>342804674
Pretty much this. I wonder how many people would have played TF2 if it was matchmaking only. Everyone realized it was a casual fun game so everyone treated it like that, as opposed to Overwatch which is also a casual game and everyone treats it as a super competitive serious game.
>>342804817
CoD4 came out almost a fucking decade ago. After that, it solidified the P2P meme that effectively destroyed multiplayer FPS communities.
>>342804865
>only playing with a 6 man premade
>>342804075
Their metrics are not even judging skill. This game routinely gives PotG to terribly bad plays; it rewards stupidity oftentimes, like giving gold medals for kills but the team it comes from didn't even bother winning or capping. I always get gold medal on objective time. The game is objective-based. Skill should be based purely on "did you win?" and not "did you ignore the objectives and get kills?" I don't see any competitive stream yet where people failed to 6 man push, overtime, cap objectives, use their roles correctly etc. You are forced into the mud with retards who will wander the map without getting on the point.
>>342804259
This is exactly how it seems. The game will force you into situations where it doesn't seem capable of clearly judging your skill and therefore kicks you around from one bad match-up to the next.
>>342804446
My group practices constantly and has improved generally. We have coordination and skill. It is not a matter of us being so very bad--- we don't even complain about our opponents. If anything we are often going up against similarly skilled people in small groups, but the whole of both teams should be judged and when you are two higher ranked players with rank 1 and rank 7 people in there with a rank 89... it is something else. The other teams have this too. Low and high ranks mixed and usually a group of friends with randoms. I want to give rank 1 people the benefit of the doubt, but I really doubt they are MLG grade players.
>>342804975
I blame LoL
>>342804980
but i mostly solo queue
>>342797251
Name a single team game that doesn't have 50% winrate
>>342804259
>>342804994
It's communism
No fun allowed for good players because a casual player sucks shit at the game
>>342797251
That 50% win rate is you hitting your ceiling. Get better or deal with it.
And yes, potentially assembling/joining a team is part of getting better.
>>342804968
2007 was a simpler time anon... esports wasnt even a word
>>342805134
Do people like this actually exist? This has to be false flagging at this point. Nobody can be this stupid.
I didn't pay attention to the PTR, does competitive fix forced 50 since it deals with visible MMR with ranks?
>>342803364
This. 90% of the games I play with my 6 stack of friends we win purely because we communicate on VOIP / swap to counter specific heroes
The thing is its not even that difficult. Outside of a fighting game / RTS, im thoroughly convinced theres no means to actually measure MMR rating since the statistical deviation is just so massive
Look at DOTA. How in the fuck are you going to get at worst 5 different nationalities to communicate effectively? Compare that to even 3 people who speak the same language / understand one another on one team vs a team of rando pubbies. Who the fuck do you think will win?
>>342805150
Sure it was anon there was always MLG shit.
>>342805067
the 50% win rate is not an organic product of match making matching you with people based on skill it is a match making system designed to force artificially a 50% win rate because they couldn't be assed to properly make a metric that judges the abstract idea of what skill is
instead of trying to draw from what metrics they have for skill it just takes your losses as an incentive to reward you with higher skilled players on your team and takes wins as an excuse to dump shitters on your team. the net product is that you lose with won, win if you lost.
>>342805208
People that are upset they can't overcome an obstacle? I guess.
>>342803734
this desu senpai im supreme in CSGO but utter shit in OW simply because I got the game 4 days ago
then again I never play soldier / widowmaker so theres that
>>342805367
I think Heroes of The Storm uses the same metric as Overwatch does.
>>342797251
Typical bad player that likes to blame the others for his own shit...
If you were so good, you'd carry every game. So shut the fuck up ans stop whining
>>342805573
>carrying in a team based game
>>342805573
Come on anon I can't even give you 1 point for that tired bait.
0/10 - see me after class
>>342803995
that trigger fucking discipline
HHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>342805573
i love seeing this dumb shit over and over.
its not like anybody here plays other games, mobas or csgo, competitively and never has these issues
its not a real problem you just need to "get gud"
retard 0/10 babbys first blizzard youtube shill troll
>>342804994
PoTg is just who got the most kills in the shortest amount of time, with some special scenarios coded in, like interrupting an ult or saving someone, that kind of stuff. It can be better, but it will never be as good as a human is at judging this
kind of stuff
Blizzard is using peoples beta mmr in the live game anon, thats why you get the odd level 3 against prestige players
Comp mode will make all this stuff more obvious
>>342805814
>Blizzard is using peoples beta mmr in the live game anon, thats why you get the odd level 3 against prestige players
what the fuck im reading
>>342805752
>its not like anybody here plays other games, mobas or csgo, competitively and never has these issues
Actually, this argument consistently pops up in other games. Seriously. You can type in "(game) 50% matchmaking" and you get forum threads about it from shitters.
The real problem is people hate discovering they are mediocre to shit and would rather bitch to some random forum rather then attempt to overcome it.
>>342805668
Yeah, because carry a solo game makes all the sense
>>342797251
>I am a retard and I have to blame all my losses on my teamrates and pretend there is a forced 50 winrate
No wonder Blizzard doesn't take the consumer's criticism serious when there are so many retards like you.
why arent you guys playing ranked on PTR?
im sure people will bitch about their rank like in every other single game but the truth is the better you are, the higher your rank (like in every other game)
so we can agree ''forced 50%'' is a weak argument brought by shitters to defend their incompetence?
>>342805997
if you played the beta your rating is carried over, it doesnt treat you as a brand new player
>forced 50
>most of the people with the most games played are above 50%
?????????
>>342806209
The PTR means nothing for the main game. Waste of time.
>>342806256
Yes. Every MM game gets people bitching about it at some point.
>Play with a group of 6
>The game can only force 50 you by putting you against better people, instead of putting you with retards
It's almost like it's a team game, that was designed with the intention of playing as a team against another team.
>>342806432
i wonder what some of you guys would have done back in the day when games didnt even have ranks or stats
>>342806629
These people would still blame their teammates.
>>342804674
>CoD
You mean Halo 2.
>>342797251
Quickplay isn't even balanced to begin with you need to wait for ranked and stop taking quickplay seriously because Attacking on a payload/capture point map is favoured for the attacker
these "forced 50" people tend to be shitters who get carried every game and then when they get a team that can't carry them to do the exact same thing they always do it's SHITTY TEAM BG
they are going to blame their shitty mmr rating on shitty teams as well and we are going to be seeing the same "ranked matchmaking is broken" thread every fucking night started by some scrub who had a bad game and blames everything but themselves.
>>342801123
The problem with video game match making systems is the way you perceive them.
In theory, a 50% winrate means that youre always playing at your level, which is a good thing. However, the MM can easily be manipulated by giving you shit odds. A game can easily force losses, whether you like it or not. Lets assume that the game puts you at 10MMR after 10 wins in a row, which means youre at 100% winrate. If the game really forces a 50% winrate then it wouldnt put you against equally skilled opponents now, it would match you against people are skill level 15, or simply team you up with people who are skill level 10-X. Now the outcome is tainted because the result isnt evidence that you cant be skill level 11, it simply means that youre not skill level 15 (or good enough to compensate for the shit team you have). Still no evidence that you arent skill level 11.
This would also explains why good people have an easy time to get past all of this. A good play doesnt care if hes matched against skill level 15 players at skill level 10. Hes skill level XXX himself so to him its irrlevant. The average player however cant just skip multiple levels like that. When I still played DotA around 5.4k solo MMR (right after release of ranked) I noticed something similar. The way the game matches you after winstreaks simply isnt logical. You suddenly get people who go 0:10 in offlanes, something you cant recover from no matter how good you are. Its almost like the system knows who is playing above, and who is playing below his own skill level and uses that knowledge to keep you at a certain % winrate.
>>342802090
If you really think every ranked player will be forced into a 50% winrate then you're just shit at videogames. The people that reach a higher rank than you, will be the people that know how to play the game better than you.
>>342806006
That is the point. Those ppl are also the big cancer in their respective communities, they are the ones that rages the most, and starts shit discussions that can lead to losses.
The solution, if you are this kind of piece of shit, don't blame your team mates, don't blame the lag, don't blame OP champ and claim for nerfs, just deal with the fact that you're shit and there are ppl better than you.
Now if you can't do this, just stop playing and get yourself lost into the depths of the hell...
>>342806674
The mode that is being tested is made for stats being recorded you fucking dumbfuck.
>>342807084
>mfw 4-5 gold medals every game, but still hover around 54% win rate
>>342807297
>know how to play the game better than you.
but that's impossible every character in this game is very easy to use anon this game has no skill ceiling nobody is better than me
>>342802492
Then maybe you need to learn from their example andgit gud
>>342807439
>rest of the team has 3 elims, 1 solo kill, 0 objective kills, 00:12 objective time
>you have 4 elims, 2 solo kills, 2 objective kills, 00:14 objective time
Congrats mate
>>342807439
I get a lot of gold medals on losing teams. It means you were trying to carry those poor bastards but they kept holding the gun the wrong way or were allergic to the payload.
>>342807612
battletag?
>>342807297
The fact that you play with people better or worse than you by a significant margin like in this game is unacceptable.
A shit player should paly with other shit players, but in this game, they put him into a match with players designed to carry him.
Good players are put in matches where he is weighed down by a bunch of bad players, like he is supposed to carry them.
>>342799714
>Join game
>Literally 20 seconds left and my team is getting fucking demolished
>I have no chance what so ever of making any difference
Fucking why? It should stop looking for people to join at that point
>>342797251
>play with 4-5 friends
>never get retarded teammates
ummmmm lol?
>>342807467
>this game has no skill ceiling nobody is better than me
>>342807252
This is the most succinct explanation. This shit can happen to you even if you do well, are mediocre, or are shitty. You will get put in situations you cannot win in.
>>342807795
damn son you chomped down and that wasn't even bait
>>342807793
>play with 4 friends
>The other 2 randos are drooling retards 80% of the time because the game factors in our premade
Permanent carry mode because of it.
>>342807718
A shit player is given a chance to see good players in action and learn from them
A good player is given a challenge to do more for his team than just increasing his own kda
If you are shit, you will have team mates who will be shit too SOMETIMES, but also get good ones from time to time, take this as a chance to fuckin learn something. If you feel your team is shit, then you need to dig your heels and get good enough to carry them. This isn't League of Legends or some horseshit, CHANGE TO WHAT YOUR TEAM NEEDS, AND PLAY IT GOOD ENOUGH TO CRUSH THE ENEMY.
>team picks double symmetra attacking on hanamura
>pick pharah and completely destroy the opponent team by myself
>sitting on a comfy 63% winrate
>never get less than two gold medals per match
>mfw this thread
Reminder that if you really believe forced 50% is a thing, maybe you just aren't good enough at the game
>>342797251
It has been almost a fucking decade since Burning Crusade and Blizzard is still unable to make a decent enough matchmaking.
When you win so much that you start getting 3 people locking genji on defense, widowmaker on attack or who don't even know what the objective is and the like every single game then there is a problem.
I don't mind losing but I want even games, not complete stomps one way or the other.
>>342807605
The last match I played I got 39 eleminations as Zarya and three and a half minute objective time. I think I do alright.though 39 is my record
Is there any way I make a good guess at my MMR? The tracking website isn't very helpful I feel.
>Most matchmaking
Puts you into games that are roughly equal, with maybe one or two people that aren't as good but the other team is just about the same
>Overwatch matchmaking
You won those last few matches so now we're going to "place you in a better match" which really means 5 Hanzos that probably couldn't figure out how to actually use a bow in real life.
>>342808079
None of what you said makes a good matchmaking.
Shit players should never occasionally see good players in action, thats fucking stupid, and is unfair for the team.
A good player should never be weighed down either.
Players should always play against those who are of equal skill. non-negotiable
>>342797251
I'd love a forced 50 if it felt like every game was on the same skill level, instead a fair margin of my losses feel like complete bullshit due to people picking shit like double widow or torb and sym on attack and then refusing to swap when it isn't working. Or watching kill-cams of people wandering around the complete opposite side of the map, or flat out ignoring people killing them when they had ample time to react.
I am no stellar player, I'm a decent fps player. But some of the teams it put me on are fucking ridiculous. Forced losses and sometimes I get carried so hard it isn't even funny.
I really wish good matchmaking wasn't a pipedream, if only someone would solve the unsolvable problem.
>be level 30
>constantly paired with or against guys with prestiges
is this game is so fucking popular, then why cant it match me with other lvl 30's?
Ever wonder how many times you were that retarded teammate?
>>342808132
>I don't mind losing but
You mind losing. You mind a lot. Let your team know when you guys don't need 3 Genjis, just throw it out there politely, maybe they'll tell you to fuck off, or maybe they'll listen and change. Maybe they'll tell you to fuck off but they'll consider it in future games and still become a better player later on.
Because blizzard designed this to make you feel like your playing well
Thats why they hide stats like kda and put them in the ambigious medal system. Thats why you see everyone say its me with 5 monkeys on my team dragging me down posts all the time. You are literally being put in your skill cap and the 50/50 is just a new meme to make bad players feel good about themselves
>>342808304
>Absolutely shitstomp a team of idiots who don't pick a healer or decent comp
>Leaves to find a more balanced game
>I now have the mouthbreather team of 2 hanzo's, zero supports, 2 genjis and a roadhog.
Its way less transparent in this game.
>>342808465
Doesn't matter. I don't want to be put in a match where literally cannot not win.
I want it to be 50/50, where if I'm bad, I'll know it and it'll screw the team. but, if I'm good, I be a real big help.
>>342808323
>Everybody should be the exact same skill level in every game
Then it would be a 50% w/l ratio all the time every-time you dingus. If both teams are always at an even skill-level then there would never be any room to falter. In a good matchmaking system, someone on each team is ALWAYS going to be climbing or descending the ladder.
>>342807376
No, it's to have evenly matched games with people around your skill level. The entire point of this thread is to bitch about playing with retards but ranked lets you play with retards on the same level as you.
>>342808761
I have a 55% winrate and its because I premade, like you. Its the only way to climb.
I'm sorry you think that way OP. Maybe being able to believe blatant lies is a much easier life. I'll have to try it out by believing you're not a fucking retard.
>>342808652
You want to always be the special snowflake that makes or breaks the game? Awesome, good luck buddy.
>>342808096
Except the game literally puts you into losing matches with little to no time left. I can't count the number of times I've been thrown into a game just for it to end in a loss instantly
>>342805573
>>342805668
>mfw 63% win rate
>mfw when mostly solo queue
>mfw constantly carrying shitters/getting gold medals and potgs using a combination of mei, torb, 76 and lucio
gggit gud fags
>>342807674
I'm gonna need some sauce for that anon
>>342809106
nice 10 games played
>>342809106
>Tells people to get good
>Plays 1 hero that actually has to aim
>Even then is hitscan
Lmao.
>I have no idea how MMR and general matchmaking works!
This thread is fucking hilarious, as someone who is 5k in dota and rank 1 in hots, you guys seriously just sound stupid.
>>342808926
in 6v6, each person matters you fucking idiot
>>342809202
267 actually____made you look faggot_____made you look again:^) gitgud bitch_
>>342809301
Then could you let me know >>342808264
>>342809301
I will never fucking ever understand the dick jerking contest when it comes to solo queue MMR in Dota 2.
It has to be the stupidest thing in any competitive game, that people hold it in the highest regard, over team MMR in a game that is like fucking 95% heavily team-based.
Just goes to show how stupid the community is.
>>342808727
both teams playing on even ground =/= 50% win rate
I dont like this game because everyone is better than me and matchmaking sure doesnt give a fuck. I feel like i'm the guy it tosses around to make people lose
I get shittalked so much I just ended up muting all voice coms and teamchat
It doesn't even make sense. I lose a ridiculous amount of games yet it matchs me against WHOLE teams that are prestige while i'm level fucking 32. I don't think i've ever played against someone lower than 40 since the first couple weeks
I fucking hate being matched into a game that is near ending.
I don't give a shit about XP, just let me play a full round of this piece of shit game, you fucking niggers. WHY DID I FUCKING PAY 40 DOLLARS JUST TO GET ANGRY?
>>342809702
because it expects you to put a smile on your face when you get the GGBG boxes.
>>342809301
why do you play 2 mobas
>>342809690
If it really bothers you that much just play characters that people can't really complain about like Lucio or some shit.
Or are you one of those guys that just picks widow/hanzo/genji/tracer every game?
>>342809763
>Winning team says GG first
Slightly tilts me every time without fail, even when it's my own team that does it.
It's probably been said but it's really simple:
Good players have invested time into the game. They are not "at risk" of stopping playing. Bad players are. If bad players never win, they will stop playing. Welcome to modern gaming where everyone has to have a chance to win by making the game worse for everybody!
>>342808414
>or torb and sym on attack
If I knew how to make webms I'd post my Toblerone Attack PotG from last night.Yes I'm low MMR.
>>342809402
Until ranked comes out, you just have to make estimated guesses about your MMR. If you regularly have diarrhea comps, players who don't really understand what they're doing, and generally dogshit games, that means you're low-mid mmr. If you see two supports in your games, and neither of them switches the entire game, you're playing either with coordinated parties or higher mmr. Also, winrate isn't necessarily accurate, but it can help guess your MMR.
>>342809784
I haven't played either dota or HotS for a while now, and I didn't play them at the same time. Also, using the term MOBA makes you look like a retard. Use Fortress Assault, ARTS, or dotalike.
>>342809891
they're just being polite, they aren't taking a shit inside your mother.
>literally everyone has higher hp than me
>I'm the only one anywhere near the payload
when does this retardation end
>>342810776
Being polite is saying GG after the losing team does. Saying GG first is just passive aggressive shit.
its to keep bad players playing longer, so they spend money
its the same thing in games like dota 2
>>342810858
I just say GG when the game ends, then I make comments such as "it was a close game" or I make fun of the shitty play, you must be really cynical to think that everyone is just being a passive aggressive asshole when they win.
Just because you act a certain way it doesn't mean other people are the same
>>342810858
>don't even need to add ez to trigger people anymore
Forced 50 is essentially a meme about matchmaking judging your skill too wildly in either direction and desperately trying to compensate. A good matchmaking system should give you around 50% w/l naturally over time, not see you're on a streak and force you into a bracket with killers.
>>342811102
>you must be really cynical
Yes, I am. Where do you think you are?
>Just because you act a certain way it doesn't mean other people are the same
I love retarded shit like this though. It's just as quality as "all homophobes are secretly homosexuals themselves".
>caring about winrate
My only goal in every match is to get every gold medal possible, especially if I play support. Regardless of the match's result, I win every time I show up in commendations as having 4 or 5 gold medals, even if no one votes.
>>342811358
I wish I could do that.
I just get so frustrated when my team is so fucking shitty they use 2 widows as attackers with a bastion on KOTH
fucking christ
>>342811247
Just take what people say at face value, if they said gg it was either a good game or they were just being polite, don't let your cynicism get the better of you.
>"all homophobes are secretly homosexuals themselves"
funniest thing about this is normally the ones most vocal about that sort of shit are the most guilty, I remember a very vocal anti-gay politician was caught sucking off multiple gay prostitutes, I assume that's where the idea comes from.
If its forced fucking 50 then you literally can do nothing in every game and still have a 50% winrate
overwatch is rng as fuck
nothing you do matters
its a meme game
>>342797251
>level 7
Yeah, you ain't carrying anyone, kid. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>342801123
It's statistically impossible to have a MMR and also have everybody have a 50% forced win ratio because then everybody would be the same rank.
>>342811450
Just outperform them and shittalk them when you get 4 golds in one match. They can't rightfully say anything if you did everything.
If you ever consistently maintain a a winrate above 50% for an extended period of time that would make you quickly the best player in the world with the highest MMR.
It's like you people can't do math.
If people have your skill level then your win rate will be 50%. Anything else you think about this like matches feeling one sided is either bias or a consequence of someone else, like 5 players who play offensively being put on defense together and they all think everybody but them is shitters because they don't win.
Take a math class you faggots.
>>342812673
winrate will be 0/infinite because you tie every match if people have literally same skill level
>>342812137
>Clearly an image pulled from somewhere else
>>342812673
I don't think you know what math is.
>>342812993
except people wont literally have the same skill level, it will be an endless tug of war though
>>342813068
Are you retarded? MMR is a number. You gain it or lose it. If you had a 60% win rate, and kept that forever, that would mean as your matches tended towards infinity you gained MMR forever.
That would give you the highest MMR in the world. Eventually you have to reach a 50% win rate when you have the MMR that properly places you.
>hurr doesn't a 50% winrate mean it's your skill level and you're to blame
Fuck no. Without exaggeration, 90% of losses I've experienced are due to having one or more utterly useless heroes on the team. Most commonly a genji, hanzo, widowmaker, or mei who isn't earning a single fucking medal or even acting as an adequate distraction.
The other 10% are because all 12 players were well matched and we got outplayed.
>>342813214
You make the assumption that gains and losses are all treated equally when calculating MMR and not based upon your opponents MMR and the difference in values.
>
How Overwatch matchaking works: The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get. The game will put you into games with people who have lost many games and task you with carrying them. This goes on until you have gone on a long enough losing streak to put you closer to a 50% winrate.
People said the exact same thing for Dota2. And they were right there as well.
>>342802514
>Halo, despite for some reaso being shit on here
If you really don't understand why, you're too fucking young to be here.
>>342815617
go to /vr/ grandpa
![pGrBe[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/nwlnodD.png "pGrBe[1].png")
Matchmaking in this game is absolute shit and consistently creates retarded unenjoyable games but why do people care so much about W/L ratio when MMR is supposedly a better measure of skill and you tend to lose less/gain more MMR when playing against teams where the odds are against you?
Even if you get stomped 10 times in a row, you should theoretically take a relatively small hit to your MMR. Sure, it's not fun and it's also indicative of how fucking retarded Jeff Kaplan and Blizzard are but in the end your imaginary goodness points are still mostly intact.
>>342802206
My attack winrate is higher than my defense winrate as torb.
>>342797251
git gud faggot
>>342803829
>forced 50 has been a thing since League of Legends
u wut
>>342797251
I'm sick of seeing that fucking dumb finger thing she does
