It hasn't gotten better than this and you fucking know it
I agree
4 was a masterpiece. I feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy it. it must suck to be so cynical and hate everything.
1-4 were fantastic
They were all great in their own way. But 3 had the best story and V had the best game
3 > 1 > 4 > 2
>>342762179
>It hasn't gotten better than this and you fucking know it
3 exists
>>342762252
4 is a shit game though let's not even start this again
>>342762252
Nice arguments.
>>342762179
2 was the rock bottom of the series. /fact.
>>342762252
4 was the 2nd best. Mgs3/1 were the best :^}
>>342762252
I don't consider interactive movies games.
>>342762536
4 is a superb game.
Great gameplay, great visuals, good ending to a great saga.
>>342762728
yet you love MGS2 ??
Double standards much?
>>342762728
So what do you call your mother?
>>342762252
even though i like 4 it would have been masterpiece if it ended like how it was to be endwith otacon and old snake getting executed
>>342762808
SAVAGE
>>342762795
what gameplay?
V took everything 4 did well and actually did it
>>342762179
Gameplay wise, I agree. The arcade fast feel of MGS2 makes it the most fun to replay.
>>342762808
Uncalled for
>>342762252
>4 was a masterpiece
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a terrible game with solid (albeit sparse) gameplay
Its writing is terrible, not only do they ruin the carefully crafted ambiguous tone and story of SoL with nanomachines but they also take all the loose plotlines and tie them together (as in the patriots are the Fox squad)
It has three good boss fights, Crying Wolf, Ray and Ocelot.
The London part brings the game to a screeching halt and is terribly boring, all to meet Eva just so she can ruin the lore
The ending is just terribly contrived and the entire thing is a miserable experience with Snake being worse and worse off every time, simply because someone threatened Kojima's life if he made another BB game
>>342762985
>what gameplay?
the one you do over 50% of the time in MGS4. The one that has the best controls out of all games in the series.
>V took everything 4 did well and actually did it
except finish the game, make good maps, have good plot, have real weapons... in short, everything.
>>342762179
I've played 2 more than 3, but I like 3 more.Jungle > Big Shell
>>342763107
>The London part brings the game to a screeching halt and is terribly boring
fuck off.
I mean seriously, people complain about the series and game not being stealth, and when you ACTUALLY need to use just that, it's too much?
Seriously, you're all just double standard posessing tasteless morons, trying to "fit in" to what ever faggotry is cool these days. MGS4 was a great game, and fixed that fucking awful MGS2.
>>342763494
>MGS4 was a great game, and fixed that fucking awful MGS2.
careful, you will piss of an army of fedora tipping elitists that will call you underaged
>>342763330
>the one you do over 50% of the time in MGS4
source please. Even when you were playing the first two acts the game is constantly taking you away to show you 15minute cutscenes that get boring after 2. Then you get to act 3 and the game is basically over without even developing any of the mechanics it introduced by that point.
>except finish the game, make good maps, have good plot, have real weapons
>muh linear cinematic experiences
V is great because it lets you play it literally any way you want to. Who cares if the plot is a little thin if the gameplay is as polished as it is in V. Not to mention that the way the story is set up it gives you reason to keep on with the FOB and the rest of the game in perpetuity instead of just going "Well, this is it, watch this pre rendered end scene and replay the same thing over again if you want more game". Yawn
>>342763494
>look mom I posted it again!
4 didn't fix jack shit, in fact it raped the story pretty badly
>>342763494
>fixed that fucking awful MGS2.
gonna have to agree with this, MGS2 pretty much fucked up the future of MGS games
>>342763725
>in fact it raped the story pretty badly
raped?
or made better?
>>342763494
The thing is, the stealth in act 3 isn't actually stealth
3=2>1>4
>>342763761
Raped, I'm positive, unless you prefer blatant hamfisted shit to subtly ambiguous mastery, in which case go and play some space marine bs
>>342762689
>Opinion
>Calls it fact
Summer.
>>342762179
Wrong. Phantom Pain was an even better interactive post-modern art installation than MGS2 was.
>>342763709
>V is great because it lets you play it literally any way you want to
No. MGS5 is literally a TPS game in empty wastelands, with no penalty for fucking up.
MGS1-4 all let you "play as you wish", to the degree. That, combined with WELL DESIGNED, distinct maps, that kinda worked like obstacle courses, made the experience more enjoyable and memorable than anything MGS5 had to offer.
The FOB shit and just about all MP elements were THE biggest mistake of MGS5. I literally let my base rot soon after it was introduced.
>who cares if the plot is a little thin
I do. And MGS5 is NOT polished, at all.
>>342763970
what the fuck are you talking about, mgs2 wasnt subtle or ambiguous at all
>>342763761
not him, but imo, they did the story fine overall.
They just couldn't tell it for shit. Fuck that game could have been so much better if they literally just cut portions of each cutscene. Didn't even need to add anything or shit
1 was the purest game
2 was the fulfillment of all that had come before
3 was the weird experimental game that sadly became the "face" of the series
4 was Kojima trying to commit sudoku
Everything else is Kojima writing fanfiction of his own series with lots of experimental gameplay, because why not
>>342764014
*Ground Zeroes
>>342762808
>>342764208
>3 was the weird experimental game that sadly became the "face" of the series
after the clusterfuck known as MGS2, who can blame the fanbase?
>mgs 4 tries to pick up the pieces
>somehow it's contrived story is worse than 5
I was more disappointed with 5. 4's story, while kinda shitty, atleast maintained this sense of urgency and atmosphere. Everything is fucked up. MGS5 just needed big boss and everyone would cream their pants but even then he managed to fuck that up.
2>1>3>4Although I love them all.
>>342764308
The "fanbase" are a bunch of illiterates and forced him to make MGS4 ontop of that.
>>342764128
>mgs2 wasn't ambiguous
anon...
3>2>1>4
Just played all four in a row for the first time. 3 is actually the only one I really have a desire to replay though.
>>342764094
>no penalty for fucking up.
Unless you want a good mission score.
If you want something more restrictive, do FOB
>combined with WELL DESIGNED, distinct maps
There's tons of distinction in each of the maps in V. And instead of being confined to hallways with booby traps, you have more choice in regards to distance and how fast you want to play
>In the original draft of Metal Gear Solid 4, the ending had Solid Snake and Otacon turning themselves in for the crimes they committed, and executed. Most of the staff vetoed this ending, so it was not used.
we could have gotten the most shocking ending of video games history but they pussied out
>>342764407
I'm still not seeing any negatives
>>342764225
GZ didn't have an epic meta twist.
>>342764525
Those would have been some bitch tears right there.
>>342764558
Because you're one of those illiterate >muh snake fanboys that he despises
>>342764558
if you liked 4, you really wouldn't
>>342762179
You're right, it's stayed just as good for the past 15 years and is a testament to the excellent and focused design with Kojima at the top of his game at directing, keeping the old spirit of MGS games will improving the gameplay and graphics and having excellent attention to details with a story that encourages replaying and was thought-provoking compared to many at the time.
1-5 all had their ups n downs.
1 set the standard and when you think "Metal Gear Solid 1". There were only like what, 20 guards in the whole game? Best terrorist group.
2 was meta as fuck. On a straightforward non 2deep4u level the game is seen as stupid.
3 went lighter on the convoluted story and features a more straightforward one. Gave the player more authority in gameplay in terms of how to handle situations.
4 had the worst gameplay/cutscenes ratio of the series. However giving the player even more flexibility in how to play. Story was straight up fanservice convoluted bullshit. Also has the worst terrorist group.
5 has the best gameplay in the series. Least amount of inyourfacestory, and a plottwist, while still trying to give it merit, is the most retarded plottwist in the series.
Personally
1>2=3>5>>>>4
>>342764558
MGS4 could have been so much more if the fans werent too hung up on shit being overexplained. It would honestly be my favorite in the series if it wasnt so damaged by shit like Act 3
Basically if MGS3 never existed the series could have reached its full potential
>>342764014
maybe if it was completed and Kojima wasn't ambiguous as fuck on whether Venom got fucked over and was too brainwashed to notice or if it's supposed to be an amazing honor to become Big Boss
>>342764208
>3 was the weird experimental game
>>342765054
Try actually playing it
>>342764670
except I was never a "muh Snake" fanboy.
I hate MSG2 Raiden but that doesn't make me a "muh Snake" fanboy
>>342765054
this is how you spot a faggot that started playing with 3
>>342765190
Why do you dislike MGS2?
Playing MGS2 as a kid was such an engrossing and mindblowing experience.
>>342765180
>>342765204
Is MGS the only games you've played? There's nothing experimental about 3, 2 is the one that tried to experiment with a meta-narrative
>>342765054
It was though. Doesn't mean it was bad.
>>342765458
Experimental from a gameplay perspective, jackass.
>>342762646
y-you too.
>>342765458
>here's nothing experimental about 3
>>342765491
>>342765538
It really isn't, you'd understand if you played literally any other 3rd person action game. Seriously, what do you think "experimental" means?
in terms of MGS? yeah 2 is clearly the best. Has the best story and gameplay (in terms of how the AI works, level design and enemy placement, bosses; gameplay mechanics goes to 5)
>>342763107
>sparse
have you even gone back and replayed it?
I got 20 hours skipping all cutscenes. it's as long or short as you want. like every game in the series.
1-4 are all great games with great stories.
Peacewalker was alright.
MGSV was shit.
All other opinions are trash.
>>342765458
>Set in the past instead of the future
>centered around the series' antagonist
>camo menu
>wound system
>stamina and hunger
>set around survival instead of infiltrating a facility
>doesn't even feature a fucking Metal Gear
>not experimental for MG in any way
1 and 3 are the best because i actually understood the story and i didnt have to look it up
>>342764432
1 is an unplayable abortion.
>>342765696
switch PW and 5 and you're right
PW is the second most disappointing game i've ever played next to metroid other M, what a fucking piece of shit game
>>342765313
I would but the last time I listed my complaints, the only response I got was a post that has nothing but "muh Snake" because I shat on Raiden,
>>342765743
>he didn't get it on his second replay
Spoonfed fool
>>342762516
I find 3 unplayable now. too many tedious mechanics that instantly sap all the fun out of it. they weren't great at the time, they're intolerable now.
>>342765538
Gameplay-wise, 3 was just an extension of 2, which was an extension of 1.
4 changed it up. If it wasn't for PW and MGSGZ, V would be the most straightforward leap in expirmenting with the gameplay.
>>342765830
i never played it a second time though
>>342765653
You're talking shit and you dont even know the argument.
Within the context of MGS as a series, MGS3 is the one game that was a drastic departure from the standard top-down formula that MGS was known for. In addition to all the elements like survival and camo.
If you tell me again that MGS3 isnt "experiential" relative to MGS1/2 I'll just have to call you stupid.
>>342764308
>clusterfuck
>MGS 2
Spotted the brainlet who can't appreciate why MGS 2 is the best in the series by a wide margin.
>>342762179
MGS3 was a lot better.
>>342765943
I don;t blame you. MGS2 was so bad.
Hell, when I was watching the C&I LPs of MGS series to catch up for V, I skipped the 2 LP
Why didn't the police try to apprehend Snake and Raiden at the end of 2?
>literally photographed "terrorist"
>a mindfucked vigilante in a skintight suit
>both of them are armed
Fucking what?
>>342765724
You don't understand what experimental means. Listing differences between games doesn't make something experimental.
>>342765956
MGS3 didn't do anything radically different compared to other games, MGS2 did something not seen before that arguably hasn't been seen since
>russian
Fuck off
>>342762252
It's not terrible, but it's not a masterpiece
>>342764208
From a a development side you're completely right.
Kojima was satisfied with MGS 2's pretty-definitive, yet open-to-interpretation ending ending, then didn't even want to work on MGS 3.
MGS 4 exists just because
>>342765696
Rising is an honorable mention, but I can agree with this generally.
Also GZ > TPP
Only people who dont know shit about how games work refuse to understand why
>>342766092
>is the best in the series by a wide margin.
but anyone with tastes likes 3 more
>>342766207
>MGS3 was experimental from a GAMEPLAY perspective
understand that before posting again
>>342766207
It's a gigantic departure from the series' staples you shitwit
>>342766278
In retrospect it's pretty frustrating that TPP doesn't have anything as polished as the missions in GZ.
Like there isn't a single mission in TPP that has the same level of polish yet open-endedness that Glaz and Palitz had
>>342766161Because none of it was real, anon
>>342766226
>MGS 2's pretty-definitive, yet open-to-interpretation ending ending
you can't have it both ways
>>342766284
>story
retarded james bond shit, story falls apart on replays when you know what the twists are
>gameplay
dumbed down AI from mgs2, menu simulator garbage for camo/medical stuff, high health makes the game even easier than 4
>>342766207
I'd like you to explain what you think experimental means and give an example, and show us how that example proves mgs3 isnt experimental.
>>342765696
Most of the fun I had with TPP came more from me dicking around than from me actually playing and being invested in the missions.
Part of me wishes TPP was some different IP with the exact same mechanics.
Seriously if nothing else MGS V has 10/10 controls
Shame we'll just about never see the fox engine used for anything ever again
>>342766284
>anyone with tastes
You mean you and your redditor friends
>>342766375
>MGS3 was experimental from a GAMEPLAY perspective
It isn't. Again, you would understand this if you played a game outside the MGS series
>>342766381
That doesn't make it "experimental"
>>342766661
>give an example
Try reading the post you replied to
>>342766161
Post-arsenal gear MGS 2 breaks the fourth wall and isn't meant to be taken seriously
>>342766648
>retarded james bond shit,
and yet better than trying to be all "meta" and "deep" that 2 did
>>342766713
>deflecting the truth by screaming "REDDIT"
>>342766747
>Post-arsenal gear MGS 2 breaks the fourth wall and isn't meant to be taken seriously
and yet people take the Roy AI seriously despite it freaking the fuck out
>>342762179
1 and 3 are both better games than 2.
>>342766598
Thematically it was definitive.
Plot-wise it was not.
Thats where people get tripped up. It's also why every game after never really felt as thematically sound ever since, even MGS4 was just a spruced up echo of MGS2's themes.
>>342766598
it's definitive in the sense that it flat-out cuts a bunch of loose threads (like the identity of the patriots) to keep the series from having a sequel hook. The mysteries that 2 leaves behind are not necessarily important, and the game explicitly tells you that the truth doesn't matter compared to your perception of it, which gives it its status as being open to interpretation.
>>342766801
>and yet better than trying to be all "meta" and "deep" that 2 did
and you dare call yourself a patrician? end your life
>>342766598
I get what you're saying but what I mean is that it's an end to Raiden's (and to a lesser-extent Snake's) story, yet the player is left to wonder what actually happened and what was a simulation. Like how the ending shows Raiden throwing out his earpiece and then cuts to real-life footage of NYC.
Then MGS IV comes along and says "everything in MGS 2 happened exactly as you saw it"
>>342766801
>better because I say so and it didn't make me feel stupid
Fucking children
>>342766560
>>342766747
This game is such fucking shit.
>>342766161
>looking for logic in MGS
Remember this is the same game where there's a vampire who runs on water and snake dives into an ocean to chase metal gear RAY
>>342766726
>Within the context of MGS as a series MGS3 was experimental from a GAMEPLAY perspective
Why both posting if you arent going to read
>>342766893
>Then MGS IV comes along and says "everything in MGS 2 happened exactly as you saw it"
Which is a good thing
>>342766849
>(like the identity of the patriots)
which was proven to be a total lie
>>342766950
Brainlet
>>342766747
mgs2 was breaking the fourth wall since it began
>>342762179
>hurr durr it was a simulation it never happened!!!!
people will defend this
>>342767014
>proven
>in a work of fiction that's written
Jesus christ
>>342767157
MGS4 proved that the founders of the Patriots that died over 100 years ago was a lie planted by the AI
Does solidus know that wikipedia can be editted by anyone?
>>342766950
That's why it's cool though.
Like how if you play the Tanker first Campbell will mention a simulation to Raiden, but he won't if you skip it
That shit's cool
>>342767014
>which was proven to be a total lie
4's plot was contrived as fuck and its mere existence is detrimental to 2's themes. There's no need to take it in consideration when discussing 2.
>>342767221
You just reminded me how MGS 2 ends with Otacon mentioning that the Patriots are all dead
Fuck were they actually planning MGS 4 in 2001?
>>342767221
no, it made that shit up so the series could continue and you could have the crazee tweest that the patriots, the shadow organization that has controlled the world for centuries, was actually just Big Boss's old war buddies fucking around
>>342767221
>proved
You don't really get how fiction works, do you? As in, it is written, and can change? And you can make this thing called retroactive continuity or retcons in which you can contradict or even rewrite past events? Are you aware of that? It only "proved" how poorly written it was
>>342767014
>Which is a good thing
No it isn't, did you even listen to snake's speech at the end of MGS 2?
>"It doesn't matter if they were real or not, that's never the point."
>"It's not about whether you were right or wrong, but how much faith you were willing to have, that determines the future."
>>342767439
of course not, MGS4 was a piece of shit because they weren't planning to make anything after 2.
>>342767468
I love how 4 immediately goes
>fuck that, it was all real
>and nanomachines
>now let's make snake useless and have raiden forget everything he learned
>children would be the future if Sunny wasn't so fucking awful at making eggs
>>342767554
So at the time of MGS 2's release that line was added in just to fuck with people?
I'm not fighting you on this I'm actually kinda confused
>>342767678
Old Snake was one of the purest characters in that game, I dont get why people have beef with him.
Raiden I can understand though
>>342767793
Yes, to leave that end closed yet still ambiguous, and that's MGS2's middle name
>>342767468
Seriously one of my favorite endings in any videogame
>>342762179
Nope sorry its an amazing game but MGS3 was better in every way.
4 > 2 > 3 > 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> V
I love 1 even though it's placed 4th for me
V ruined everything and killed any desire I had to replay my favourite series
>>342767793
it was added to close the series and not leave a loose plot thread. Snake has absolutely no way to track down the patriots, and they're all dead anyway, and have been for decades.
>>342768138
I'll accept this
>>342767837
I don't get why everyone hates MGS 4 raiden
Throughout MGS 2 raiden struggles with finding a new identity instead of being a solid snake imitation, and he achieves that in MGS 4 by becoming a cyborg ninja, the complete opposite of what he was in MGS 2
Plus without MGS 4 raiden we would never get MGR, the best game in the series since snake eater
>>342768218
>the best games in the Metal Gear franchise are 3 and Rising
Your average snake eater
>>342764179
The game would be half the length if someone edited the fucking cutscenes to be more concise.
>Vamp: We are going to shadow Moses Island to get Rex
>Liquid: Yes, we are getting Rex off of Moses Island.
>Otacon: MK2 just heard Liquid say he was going to Moses Island to get Rex. What do think that means?
>Campbell: It might mean that are gong to shadow Moses Island to get Rex.
>Otacon: But control of ballistic missiles is still with JD. They would need something not controlled by SOP, like Rex, which is on shadow Moses Island, which is where they are going right now.
>Mei Ling: Report show that Liquid is on how way to shadow Moses Island Right now.
>Otacon: I figured it out! They are planning on using Rex. He has a rail gun. Oh no, I must atone for my sins.
They kept saying the same shit over and over. Then suddenly Otacon repeats the same thing 1 last time, but apparently his little hamster brain finally understands what everyone has been talking about exclaims it like it is a massive reveal.
>>342768218
in mgs2 he finds his identity by discarding his role as a tool of the patriots and choosing to focus on his family.
in 4 he's thrown away his family, his name and his future to become a literal tool of the patriots. The cyborg ninja is exactly what he was in 2, but even more detached and expendable
MGR isn't a part of the MGS series and it could've easily been done with another context
>tfw MGS1 and MGS2 are so richly interwoven that you consider them one game
>tfw playing them back to back is the definitive MGS experience
>>342768473
I meant since snake eater was released
1 = 3 > 2 > MGR > 4 > PW > GZ > TPP
>>342768562
the patriots are the good guys though
>>342767328
>There's no need to take it in consideration when discussing 2.
except that MGS4 is canon to MGS2.
Which is why I think I understand why MGS2 fans seem so uptight. The refuse to acknowledge MGS4 happening.
>>342767468
>No it isn't, did you even listen to snake's speech at the end of MGS 2?
It's been years since I touched MGS2 and only once.
>>342769080
>Which is why I think I understand why MGS2 fans seem so uptight. The refuse to acknowledge MGS4 happening.
nah, its just that its been unsurpassed so far.
I actually like MGS4 but ultimately its little more than a review of what MGS2 already covered, the same thing but with a refreshed context.
>>342768218
>I don't get why everyone hates MGS 4 raiden
because they are mad that it "ruined" MGS2 Raiden
>>342768562
>in 4 he's thrown away his family
more like Rose left him.
>>342769206
> but ultimately its little more than a review of what MGS2 already covered, the same thing but with a refreshed context.
and with less convoluted story telling and actually telling you thing
I actually feel bad for players who can't/didn't play MGS2 at launch. The game loses much of its impact when it is played out of that time period.
Best mindfuck ever. They even had a 4+ minute trailer made with Raiden edited out like two weeks before launch. You just can't do things like that anymore - the internet has changed.
>>342769385
>and with less convoluted story telling and actually telling you thing
lol
You're fucking joking if you think MGS4 is less convoluted than MGS2, but I guess since they explain the same points three different times in each cutscene it can seem that way. No that's not a good thing.
>>342767837
it bothered me because he seemed like a regress from the character he was at the end of 2. Like they captured the moment he jumped off of Arsenal to chase Ray and wrote it from there without remembering the gigantic speech he has about legacy and the responsibility of building the future later on.
He was portrayed until this point as the man who makes the impossible possible, and the game made it a point to break and weaken him as much as possible. He feels like he's only got his ideology left and is chasing it without rational thought. He keeps calling Ocelot as Liquid long after it's become very clear that there's nothing of Liquid in him. He's using knifes and CQC despite being supposedly against them due to Big Boss. He at times is idealistic and hopeful, like when he talks to Raiden about his purpose, and at other times tired and bleak, constantly mulling over the fact that the war no longer belongs to him and the best he could do is kill himself.
He felt like a contradictory character in the overarching plot and it didn't feel particularly satisfying to lead his story to its conclusion
>>342769385
Why are you still shitposting?
You're saying nothing but that the game is shit from distant and very incomplete memories and you clearly didn't even get the subject matter back then so what's your point here?
>>342769634
MGS2 tries to be "deep" and "mysterious" about stuff.
MGS4 flat out explains it
>>342762719
Agreed
People who hate MGS4 only hate it because it's still a PS3 exclusive.
>>342769385
>more like Rose left him.
from the database
>Raiden began living together with Rosemary, but the tragic memories of his days as a child soldier started to resurface, causing tension in their relationship and leading him to leave her.
>>342769845
>MGS2 tries to be "deep" and "mysterious" about stuff.
No it dosent. It delivers itself in plain English but if you're an illiterate you wont understand.
Thats why MGS3 was watered down, and thats why MGS4 treats you like a fucking child with the endless powerpoints.
>>342769612
>When Kojima tried to do the same shit with TPP and moby dick studios and people knew in hours that the game was MGSV
>Please meet you Gillian, I'm Metal Gear MKII
DROPPPPPED
>>342762808
R E K T
>>342769845
no, mgs2 is purposely ambiguous while telling you directly what is and isn't important
mgs4 thinks you're retarded, retcons the entire series to fit into mgs3, and kills snake in the end so people will stop asking for sequels
>>342770390
>no, mgs2 is purposely ambiguous while telling you directly what is and isn't important
...how? You fucks can't have it both ways. it's ether ambiguous or it tells you directly. IT CAN'T BE BOTH
>>342769897
>>342770484
it explains itself all the time there is lats of exposition
the ending is sort of ambiguous
>>342770390
>no, mgs2 is purposely ambiguous while telling you directly what is and isn't important
and i thought people who liked mgs4 were retarded, what the fuck
>>342770484
see this post
>>342766843
>>342771236
it's still a person saying that it was ambiguous AND it tells you straight up.
you're not wrong.
fuck me take me back
>>342771361
If you actually read the post it tells you why people say that.
>>342770484
is it really hard for you to grasp that a direct message can come from an uncertain context?
Raiden discards his role as player character and chooses to build his future with rose. That is direct, there is no doubt about that happening. The rose that appears in the end may not be real. That is ambiguous, but it doesn't invalidate Raiden's choice. The point is that the choice was made and what it implies, not the surrounding context for the choice.
>>342771361
The game is constantly playing with misinformation, and at the end it puts the importance of the veracity of the events depicted and things said into question while stating its point in not one, not two, but three speeches.
>>342762179
>>342771174
play the fucking game, you dumb nigger. The theme of the game is set in stone, the plot isn't
>>342771361
it's possible for something to have different aspects that have opposite characteristics. Usually when someone describes something in contradictory terms, this is how they mean for it to be interpreted. For example, a battle could be rightfully described as a win and a loss (see Pyrrhic victory)
>>342765369
Did you really understand the plot as a kid? It was one of the first games I played and I couldn't at all.
>>342771789
not him but i also played 2 as a kid. i understood most of it, i understood that it was supposed to be confusing and convoluted.
from now until my death MGS1 will always be the greatest game ever made
for me personally lads.
>>342771646
>The game is constantly playing with misinformation,
and thus it's hard who to trust.
>while stating its point in not one, not two, but three speeches.
Yeah:
One by Solid Snake. So it's trustworthy
One by Solidus, he was a major bad guy so it's questionable if he was telling the truth or not
One by the Patriot AI, it's an AI that controls and manipulates information/people/etc... Whose so say it's speech wasn't a big god damned like that it wanted you to hear?
>>342772026
if a better game comes out, will you die?
>>342766726
kys
>>342772186
>if
it won't happen
>>342770654
>implying you have a PS3
lol
>>342772081
Because the AI speech is fucking terrifying, it's harsh and scathing and has foresight
>>342771986
That's what I got out of it too, so I never paid attention to it. You can kind of make sense of it as a child until Ames, and then it falls to pieces.
>>342772429
You got me, I only have the game for my collection and have watched the entire thing on youtube done by several let's players
Sometimes I hold my 360 controller, pretend I'm the one playing and wonder what if
No one get talk crap on MGS1,It had flaws,but It had amazing atmosphere and fun characters,the only real problem I had with It was that Liquid Is a failure of a 2deep4u character.
MGS2 got a red card as soon as otacon came by,because It made one of mgs1's ending questionable.tanker setting was nice,but the abundance of livid orange In plant Is simply disgusting. Solidus was a cool character. This game made Metal gears look like a joke,I mean sure snake took one down,but It was a rex and he only took 1 out with assistance,Raiden took down like, 8 of the more advance ones all by himself. Story Is even more 2deep4u, and basically only turns around the fact that humans have no free will.
MGS3 was a fresh setting,some hate It some love It, as obejective as can try and be, I found the jungle interesting If you had subsistence, otherwise, drop that awful camera game you have right now. Interesting bosses,the hunger management system implimented was definitvely a little annoying and artificial In means of difficulty,but It was bearable. The healing system was pretty good however, as It punishes you for not stealthing and such. Story was alright,fills the holes that the first 2 had,they definitively tried to not go overboard with the 2deep4u material.
MGS4 Makes the other ending of MGS1 not canon anymore,leaving out the game with no canon endings that can really be settled with,the 2deep4u was very strong with this one,but the story can be enjoyed In a so bad It's good manner at a certain limit, setting was alright,couldn't keep up with the story entirely,but It had flaws,bosses were alright and last battle was amazing. Questionable game In quality,but the efforts were there(somewhat?)
don't have mgs5,2expensive4me.
