Who wrote this shit?
(you) seem a little uptight
>>342748173
I trust my instincts as a gamer, they never fail me.
>>342748173
Hideo Kojima has always been a hack. You can tell when his influence kicks ibto the writing because it turns otherwise good things to shit
I need scissors. 61!
>>342748173
That's an edit.
Still better than the writing in the novelization
>>342748173
Hideo Kojima and Tomokazu Fukushima wrote the original script. Jeremy Blaustein wrote the english translation.
https://youtu.be/z1Ch6N8QT00
>>342749483
Holy fuck that's awful
KOJIMAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>342748173
it gets worse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8j9I90ueM
and MGS2 fans actually defend that writing and character
>>342751421
You know, this is because of the ai falling apart.
>>342751664
>You know, this is because of the ai falling apart.
and yet people STILL listen to the AI after you beat the Rays.
It makes no god damned sense
>>342751886
You could just say that someone did some maintenance on the ai when the last fight happened. I think this is just nitpicking.
>>342751421
In context that's AMAZING. you have no idea what the fuck is happening. You were promised this standard spy action story. And instead it gets weirder, and weirder, where towards the end you are wondering if it's all a dream.
>>342752527
>In context that's AMAZING
no, it was a trainwreck
> And instead it gets weirder, and weirder, where towards the end you are wondering if it's all a dream.
I was wondering, what was going on and then eventually went "this game has gone full retard, I just want to get to the end"
>>342748624
I've got too much free time
>>342749773
>blaustein
>>342751886
They literally tell you in the final codec call its one of the other AI's speaking with you.
>>342752895
>no, it was a trainwreck
Fuck you, this is the best part of the game. Not even try to make some 2deep4u argument here, but the execution of fucking everything in arsenal gear and beyond is just fantastic.Except that one "by the way Raiden, I killed your parents" line
>>342752895
OK, this "MGS2 is awful" meta-shitposting has got to fucking stop.
>>342753341
>believing an AI who manipulates information
what's to say that they didn't tell you bullshit that entire time?
>>342753349
I really could not get into MGS2. The level design was not good, the bosses were lame, and I could not stand Raiden at all (inb4 people go "MUH SNAKE").
I didn't mind that Raiden was not Snake but holy fuck Raiden was bad.
>>342753341
MGS2 tells people a lot of shit they didn't hear because they didn't listen:
>why did Fortune deflect the missiles if her gadget was turned off
>Why does Solidus just randomly tell Raiden he killed his parents?
People were too stupid for MGS2, that's why from Solidus, we eventually got Skull Face.
>>342754316
>People were too stupid for MGS2
because the game presented itself in a convoluted fashion at Arsenal Gear
>why did Fortune deflect the missiles if her gadget was turned off
that was unexplained and you know it
>>342753847
Well done! You've incidentally stumbled onto one of the main themes of the game!
Think about this, how do you even know which conversations with Rose were really her and which were the AI spurring you on, pretty spooky right?
Gamers are used to doing as they are told and this game examines that relationship, even though Bioshock took all the credit for doing it before MGS2?
>>342749051
>Hideo Kojima has always been a hack
For (You)
>>342754749
>Think about this, how do you even know which conversations with Rose were really her and which were the AI spurring you on, pretty spooky right?
I skipped all Rose conversions after the initial few showed her being a nagging girlfriend talking about a relationship.
>>342754749
>whoa so meta I am deconstructing the genre XD
How about you just make something competent?
Academia is a mental disease.
>>342754541
What part about her actually having powers needed explaining?
>>342754749
I played MGS for the gameplay not the words. I skipped all that shit. So jokes on you, faggot.
>>342755042
her "powers" were from the device. So how can she have her "powers" when the device was turned off
>>342754749
>even though Bioshock took all the credit for doing it before MGS2?
because Bioshock was a better game than MGS2
>>342755178
Yes, her tech was disabled, but she still had powers.
>>342750126
Shit cuck taste
>>342754880
> Academia is a mental disease.
I have only seen /pol/cucks espouse this opinion.
>>342755534
which makes no sense because her powers are tied to the tech
>>342754880
>doesn't know the difference between academia and idiots who take academic topics and incorrectly use them
>>342755525
You need to be over the age of 18 to post on this site.
>>342748173
Same assholes who wrote this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97cgoxpVBcQ
>>342756056
>he insulted MGS2
>HE MUST BE UNDERAGED
typical MGS2 fanboy
>>342749425
>That's an edit.
What? No, that was actually in the script in the PS1 version. Miller would often make references to video games when you'd call him. Most of the times he'd tell you to remember to take breaks every few hours and to not play video games for too long.
>>342756119
Comparing two games that are of competely different genres is a bit stupid, though.
>>342749958
>They always mention Skyrim
Every goddamn time
>>342756842
I;m not the one that did the comparison, that was >>342754749
>>342751421
This whole thing is scaring me
What the fuck is going on
>>342757523
the game going full retard.
thankfully MGS4 explains exactly what was going on during that event that happened in the real world
>>342748173
it's called cheese, a lost art.
>>342748173
This game is so gay
>>342757664
>thankfully MGS4 explains
>thankfully
This is the first time I hear something of this kind.
>nanomachines sons
>>342757664
MGS4 is kind of...bad... It takes away any potential intrigue that MGS2 created. Even if you dislike MGS2, I reeeeally don't think MGS4 did its job with any grace at all. It was never supposed to exist. MGS2 was supposed to be as far forward as the timeline went.
>>342754749
>the game is bad on purpose
>you're not supposed to like the main character
oh just fuck off with the ex post rationalization. it's a fucking nonsense story with a bishonen main character attempting to appeal to Japan and failing. that's all.
>>342758041
an explanation is better than being up in the air on whether or not the events of MGS2 happened or not
>>342758393
is it? the story in 4 and 5 are so fucking stupid I'd prefer to forget they even exist. not knowing is more powerful than a cornball hack explanation
>>342758327
>Even if you dislike MGS2, I reeeeally don't think MGS4 did its job with any grace at all.
I think it did a swell job. It cut the crap with MGS2 and explained the stuff that needed to be explained (like the Patriots, hated how MGS3 got dragged into that shitty plot element) and made Raiden better in the process
>>342758363
Whether or not you enjoyed it, that's what MGS2 was supposed to be. The only argument here is whether or not it was good.
>>342758393
No anon, sometimes no explanation is better than whatever MGS4 came up with.
>>342758592
>made Raiden better in the process
By making him a bog-standard "badass"?
>>342758592
Explain what exactly needed to be explained from MGS2 that wasn't already explained in MGS2.
>>342756313
but i don't play video games
>>342758592
>everything is nanomachines
nah that story was half baked nonsense. I'd prefer not knowing for sure.
>>342758592
The patriots and Raidens further development are worthy additions, but everything with Big Boss, Zero and retroactively explaining anything with nanomachimes was bad.
>>342758814
better than he was in 2.
>>342758830
whether or not the events of MGS2 actually happened or not. 4 confirmed it did
>>342758592
>>342758814
Which isn't to say that I don't enjoy MGS4... On its own, it's a pretty nice experience with a bunch of memorable set-pieces. As part of the Metal Gear saga, it kind of misses the point of MGS2.
>>342759143
But we weren't supposed to know whether or not MGS2 happened. We had to find our own truth. That was the entire point of what Snake says to Raiden at the end.
>>342759143
>whether or not the events of MGS2 actually happened or not
This did not need to be explained, try again.
>>342751421
>this obsessed autist again
Thank god he's relegated to a single video game series for his whole life, I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>342753514
I honestly don't know where the fuck this came from, I mean sure the game is controversial as fuck but it was nowhere near hated as this much
Or did /v/ got extra mad after mgs5?
>>342749438
he had nanomachines apply a thin layer of themselves over his eyes you stupid idiot
>>342759727
/v/ is on average 14 years old, so there is a big chance that MGS5 might be the first MGS they played.
>>342759727
MGS2 was absolutely hated to hell and back when it was first released. It was only when newer fans started showing up and people looked back on it that it started being liked. Now people are starting to hate it again because the average college-age kid is used to having their hands held and not needing to think beyond "press button to shoot enemy"
Metal gear solid 2 is the greatest metal gear and arguably one of the best games ever, whoever denies it is a child that craves projecting onto MCs like crystal meth and that's also why they usually prefer the adventures in the URSS with mr. No Personality and the Mighty Retcon Woman, since that's all about lame power fantasy
>>342759727
>Or did /v/ got extra mad after mgs5?
To be fair, TPP was terrible.
>>342759172
>On its own, it's a pretty nice experience with a bunch of memorable set-pieces. As part of the Metal Gear saga, it kind of misses the point of MGS2.
which is a good thing because MGS2's "point" is retarded
>>342759275
>We had to find our own truth
and the truth was found.
>>342759664
obsessed autist?
>>342760307
>MGS2 was absolutely hated to hell and back when it was first released.
Because they were a bunch of whiny children who wanted to play as snake, playing straight into kojima's ruse. It was fucking beautiful and if you didn't like it, you were literally retarded.
>>342755940
Evidently not, moron.
>>342760480
Oh look it's the "it's retarded" guy that appears in every thread and his only """""argument""""" is always "no, I get it, but it's retarded"
>>342760480
The truth was contrived. And not by the players, but by Kojima, because no one would shut the fuck up. You didn't discover anything, the raging fandom cried about it until Kojima force fed it to them.
>>342760485
>Because they were a bunch of whiny children who wanted to play as snake, playing straight into kojima's ruse
You have to love Kojima for this alone. I know that MGS5' twist didn't have the same inpact, but back then it was a ruse of enormous proportions.
>>342760698
What makes you think it's one guy?
>>342760307
>MGS2 was absolutely hated to hell and back when it was first released
This is bullshit. Everyone sucked it's dick because it was the new mgs.
>>342749051
As a writer yeah probably
>>342761036
His way of replying to various posts and how the great majority of the debate is him dismissing valid opinions while calling the game, its themes and point "retarded"
A l w a y s does that shit
>>342748173
If you've seen combat you'd understand that there is a sort of sixth sense that comes with it.
>>342749051
Kojima didn't write the codecs, Fukushima did.
>>342761094
I know this happened before you were born but every MGS fanboy under the sun minus a handful of reasonable ones hated MGS2 because of the Raiden plot twist. Before its release the marketing for the game emphasized Snake to the extent that everyone thought you'd be playing as him again and Raiden, on the rare occasion he was even mentioned in the marketing, was thought to be a minor NPC. The twist was only spoiled in Europe because it took half a year for them to get the game after the US and (after a couple weeks) Japan did.
>>342761094
>Everyone sucked it's dick because it was the new mgs.
but also complained about it. The fanbase just dismissed the complaints by generalizing them as "muh Snake" and never gave them a second thought
>>342760924
I'm so fucking mad, I fucking hate vamp so much he is such a motherfucker and Naomi is a dumb bitch who deserved her cancer or w/e was wrong with her. So goddamn mad.
>>342760770
MGS5's plot is fucking retarded, it served no greater purpose, no interesting message like Raiden did.
And it exposed the idiots who hated Raiden even more and they don't know it, turns out if it looks like Big Boss, sounds (lol) like Big Boss and acts like Big Boss but isn't actually Big Boss....it's still okay because it still 'works'.
So while people hated MGS2 because Raiden was effeminate and whiny, it's OK being a random medic on BB helicopter, butm ade to be his decoy, and having none of the original's achievments, and subsequently all of Venom's achievments and developments mattered absolutely nothing to Big Boss' overall arc.
>>342761787
I hold my hands up to hating MGS2 for being so weird, 'un-metal gear' and Raiden.
Then a few years later the MGS2 HD Collection made me appreciate it more.
>>342762402
>it's OK being a random medic on BB helicopter, butm ade to be his decoy, and having none of the original's achievments, and subsequently all of Venom's achievments and developments mattered absolutely nothing to Big Boss' overall arc.
because everyone treated Venom like he was Big Boss. There really wasn't that much info to cast doubt.
On the other hand MGS2 treated Raiden like a damn rookie and a joke while they treated Snake (aka Pliskin) with respect
>>342762739
And then Raiden destroyed 25 Metal Gear Rays and killed the best Snake.
I know where you are coming from, compared to SS it's laughable that Raiden was trained by VIDEO GAMES, but he proved himself at the end.
>>342762739
How does that excuse anything? MGS isn't supposed to be your personal action hero fantasy. That's literally one of the things MGS2 was trying to say.
It's funny how Raiden became great around the time he started rejecting all ties to the player AKA the faggots controlling him, eventually getting a weapon that makes him play nothing like Snake at all.
>>342763104
But he wasn't trained by video games, they were nothing compared to how he was brought up.
It's funny how Rising finished Raiden's arc of being a survivor of being forced into Child Soldier servitude and the consequences it had on his morality, far better then 4 ever did.
>>342763104
>but he proved himself at the end.
yes he did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRAM2wuMJg
>>342763208
>eventually getting a weapon that makes him play nothing like Snake at all.
with a shitty control scheme
>>342751421
>I've never met you
>...
>>342763438
Laugh at Rising all you want, but it's less of a blight on the series than MGS4 was.
>>342763634
mgs4 is great, fuck off
>>342763437
He was a child soldier, but he also did extensive vr training. Did you not play MGS2? At several times he remarks how he played through the shadow moses incident and did vr training.
>>342764015
I know, all I'm saying is after his past those VR sessions were childs play. That stuff was mostly a reference to how players beat MGS1 and the Tanker missions which are literally 'VR missions'.
>I just skipped all the dialouge
Why. You need it to know what the fuck to do and where you're going.
>I am playing a video game, not reading a novel or listening to a speech
Why the fuck do you play anything but minecraft and farmville then.
>I don't like Rose/Raiden/AI/Colonel, they are annoying
Rose is kind of annoying, but thats part of her character. Raiden is a bit annoying at first but then he grows on people with actual fucking experiences in relationships. Colonel is just an AI who is only programmed to guide to one point. That will get annoying no matter what.
>Lol its shit on purpose, mgs2 apologist btfo
Except it isn't. In gameplay it was decent and improved upon MGS1's bullshit. Story wise it was godly because of all the tricks and details. Graphics were fine for the time, haven't aged too well.
Whats bad is these responses are usually bait, but because of summer I truly believe they aren't. And its fucking annoying that this kind of shit is all people parrot when they hear MGS2. Its just like f/a/gs wanting rape and gore in every chapter of Berserk.
>>342748173
STOP
INVINCIBLE
RAIDEN
ONLY I,
CAN GO INSIDE THIS MICROWAVE ROOM WHICH WOULDNT HARM YOU BECAUSE I AM I RISKING MYSELF TO DIE
>>342764698
People still don't understand why Solidus reveals to Raiden that he killed his parents, even though he explains it 2 seconds later.
They are dumb.
>>342764878
I liked Naomi going all Melodramatic for no reason at all, when her story in MGS1 closed with her saying 'choose life, and then live'
And I miss Philosopher Snake.
>>342748173
He's not talking about the HAHAHA I PLAY VIDYA XD type of games, you fucktard. He's talking about the deathgame known as war. The eternal gamble of battle.
>>342750126
didnt expect find william patrick in a mgs thread
>Snake,have you ever heard about (word)?
>(word)?
>>342765412
No, he's actually talking about people who play video games. He breaks the fourth wall a bunch of times, he even tells you to take bathroom breaks because you never know when a long cutscene is about to begin or something like that.
>>342749483
And that's why you don't directly translate Japanese, as everything sounds different with its structure and retarded in English. Seriously, the fact that you're allowed to make broken sentences makes it obvious that you're supposed to format it a bit. Just watch any Japanese film or any anime, pick a random line, and direct translate it to see what I mean, as the translator is almost as important as the original writer. The completely different sentence order is also why machine translations of sentences are usually terrible.
>>342748173
MGS is fucking shit
Just wait until Kojima tries to explain genetics to you. It makes zero sense and does nothing but emphasise Hideo's dearth of talent as a writer.
>>342763634
>he fell for the MGS4 is bad meme
>>342766629
if you don't translate exactly then you have just censored the content
>>342764878
Microwaves would probably fuck Raiden up too.
>>342767202
You fail to recognise the importance of localization
>>342767278
There's a reason MGS1 had the best translation.
>>342767202
There's a big difference between "Hi, I"m Japanese, but my name is actually Arnold Smith because American kids can't say Jin Kido, oh and just kidding, we really live in America, I'm a republican, and know the star spangled banner" and rendering "俺は木戸仁です。" as "I am Jin Kido" instead of "I Kido Jin am."
>>342768006
Eat your hamburgers is what you end up with if you go with "localization"
Pathetic.
>>342768006
What Square Enix game has this many f-bombs?
>>342768224
How many localizers still really do that? I recently played Dragon Ball Xenoverse and didn't notice anything like that other than a few names having weird spelling.
>>342763208
>MGS isn't supposed to be your personal action hero fantasy
Something Kojima didn't himself understand with 5 apparently.
>>342769037
>Something Kojima didn't himself understand with 5 apparently.
Kojima thinks he made a mistake with MGS2 because of the way fans reacted to it. It is probably his least favorite Metal Gear because of the reaction. That's why V tried to do something similar to MGS2 that he thought his fans would understand better. It didn't really do a good job though.
>>342769332
Japs don't understand story structure
Watch any anime
>
>>342748173
>I read about you in "In the darkness of Shadow Moses"Talk shit about codecs all you want, they, more than anything else, made mgs special.
>>342770129
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
>>342766629
>>342767202
>>342749483
It's not a translation though.
It was written in English by Raymond Benson.
>>342767202
So is the Japanese translation of an English work using the Japanese word ordering censorship as well?
>>342772027
They couldn't even bother to get one of Kojima or Fukushima's buddies to work on it?
>>342772308
>They couldn't even bother to get one of Kojima or Fukushima's buddies to work on it?
Nah. Kojima's buddy released 3 MGS novelizations last year though.
Did MGS1 have the best written characters?
For some reason the conversations that Naomi and Snake had about Greyfox is are some of my favorite in any game
>>342756119
maybe it is not because you insulted MGS but because you claim that bioshock was good, a much harder sell, really.
>>342770129
Maybe you should simply watch a good one for a change.
Pointing out bad shit being bad is kind of self gratulatory.
>>342772308
Guy used to write Bond books so they probably thought the style would fit and,
>Benson's novel The Man with the Red Tattoo inspired the government of Japan's Kagawa Prefecture in 2005 to erect a permanent museum (the "007 Man with the Red Tattoo Museum", dedicated to the book) and honor Benson with the title of Goodwill Ambassador.
I guess he's big in Japan
>>342773072
Name one. Just one.
>>342772657
>>342749483
What's the point of having the novelization of the equivalent of a ridiculous action film? Might as well novelize Dragon Ball Z and Transformers.
>>342748173
Hey that looks like the miller guy from mgsv
>>342767202
You are retarded. Go talk to a professional translator and learn something dipshit.
>>342773338YOU'RE GONNA EXTRACT HIM TOO?
>>342773261
They do it for ridiculous action movies all the time
>>342766629
What anime is this?
>>342773338
>>342773542
So is this as bad as I imagine it would be?
>he plays the PC port of MGS1
>>342749483
Plopped?
>>342773738
Problem?
>>342748624
Holy christ this.
>>342758592
Good luck with that statement, this board is full of MGS2 drones who refuse to accept it's the worst of the original 4 titles.
And if you criticize it, they'll just accuse you of not understanding its shitty narrative.
>>342774539
>And if you criticize it, they'll just accuse you of not understanding its shitty narrative.
or call you underaged
>>342774539
From a thematic and narrative standpoint MGS4 is the worse. If you truly believe MGS2 is worse than MGS4 than you have a misunderstanding of all four games.
>>342774263
Yes indeed. The way they ported it was pretty much by creating an inaccurate emulator.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9739731
>>342774698
Thematic narratives don't mean much when the whole game is dogshit because of it.
MGS2 based every single one of its assets around its hamfisted narrative and because of it Raiden was boring, Rose was boring, every character in the game was a shitty cutout put in place to say exactly what they needed to in order for the narrative to work. Big Shell is measurably worse than Shadow Moses, the bosses weren't even fun to fight, and the entire game up until the explosive ending sequence is comprised of an easter egg hunt and an escort mission. Two of the worst tropes in all of videogames and something thought it'd be a good idea to make a game based around them.
Sure, all of the delivery at the end with the Patriots codec call and the social commentary was really cool but it wasn't worth slogging through several hours of that trepid shit just to get to that part.
MGS4 functions better as a videogame and its story manages to be more functional and straightforward and does what it needs to do in order to support all of the characters and elements in the game. It didn't need a contrived 2deep4u narrative to hold it up.
>>342773183
Seirei no Moribito.
>>342775468
Based on an actual book, doesn't count. Might as well say that Starship Troopers is a good anime because it's writer is white and not a retarded Jap.
>>342773183
Death Note.
>>342775693
>Asks someone to name one of something.
>They name it.
>It doesn't count because reasons.
I'm not even that guy, but people who do this are the worst. If anime based off of another medium doesn't count, say that to begin with or not at all.
>>342775373
>when the whole game is dogshit because of it.
Have you actually played a dogshit game in your life? An untested, bug filled, unplayable mess? MGS2 is not that.
>and because of it Raiden was boring
How was Raiden boring? It was cool how he's brought up to be this rookie, learning from Snake. And how he doesn't know how to deal with his memories of being a child soldier.
>Rose was boring
I can see how you and most would think that but I never found her boring.
>Big Shell is measurably worse than Shadow Moses
Yeah probably.
>the bosses weren't even fun to fight
You know replaying the series over and over again throughout the years I can safely say none of the bosses are ever fun to fight except the ones you can do unique things to like Vamp, The End, The Fear, Raven, etc. Most MGS bosses are purely serviceable, with MGS4 having the absolute worst bosses as they're all sopnges.
>and the entire game up until the explosive ending sequence is comprised of an easter egg hunt and an escort mission
This is a gross simplification as it ignores the stealth gameplay, and ignores the fact that the escort mission is maybe 12 minutes long minus cutscenes.
>MGS4 functions better as a videogame and its story manages to be more functional and straightforward and does what it needs to do in order to support all of the characters and elements in the game. It didn't need a contrived 2deep4u narrative to hold it up.
MGS4 has wonderful gameplay for sure, better than MGS2. The problem is its narrative and themes, and in MGS narrative and themes are important. The narrative and themes of MGS4 fucking suck in how they're presented, and characters are ruined.
>>342775852
Not him, but
>that second half
>>342773183
Gundam Build Fighters
Symphogear
>>342777206
I wouldn't recommend GBF to anyone but hardcore Gundam otaku neckbeards that think the MC's mom is hot, much like SD Gundam
>>342748173
MGS always had garbage tier writing
>>342774698
>From a thematic and narrative standpoint MGS4 is the worse
Nice meme. MGS3 is a lot worse in that regard.
>>342777672
Say that to my face bitch nigga.I'm thinking of getting the blurays when they release stateside. Feel like I should get Try too even though I didn't like it as much.
>>342778028
Do you think so? I think MGS3 is pretty alright thematically and narrative wise. It's not very subtle, Kojima never is, but I'd say it was done well enough. What are your grievances?
>>342757986
you have to be at least 18 to post on this website
>>342749483
saa dude
>>342751421
>open link
>get psycho mantis talking about ford fusions
Ads have gone too far
>>342778068
Hey, I didn't say it was wrong. Just that normalfags that have never seen Gundam and don't enjoy anime probably won't like it.
>>342778149
Not that guy but my biggest problem with MGS3 is that a) the controls are not as smooth as they are in 2 or the games afterwards and b) the supporting cast over the codecs feels optional, moreso than in previous titles. To the point the twist in 4 kind of sucks because I barely remembered speaking to most of them in 3.
>>342764878
>forgetting about all the frogs ambushing raiden and snake in the hallway before the microwave room and raiden needing to hold them off
Fuck off, mobile poster
>>342778309
>>342778149
The whole "make the world one" thing the boss says at the very end is interesting but there's nothing before that. And then it's negated because she actually just sacrificed for her country. I feel like Peace Walker handled her motivations a lot better.
I think MGS4 was fine in that regard, there's the war economy/global control that's expanded on, the Big Boss/Zero duality, that "the man doesn't live up to the legend" from MGS1 and especially the end with Big Boss, dropping the guns and all of that. The plot itself was full of bullshit, but I really like where it went.
>>342764878
>Microwaves not fucking up somebody made up primarily of metal parts
>>342778745
>mfw /v/ thinks Snake is alive
>mfw /v/ thinks Old Snake is Solid Snake
>mfw /v/ thinks MGS2 isn't VR
>mfw /v/ likes MGS3
>mfw /v/ likes MGR
>mfw /v/ dislikes Portable Ops
>mfw /v/ is a collective
You niggers are retarded
>>342778853
Why did Philanthropy even kill The Patriots? Why weren't they executed for treason? Why is Snake just free to live or die at the end of MGS4?
>>342778969
>>342779080
Alright /v/, now lets ask the REAL questions.
Who the fuck was Pliskin?
>>342779078
Yeah I hate how Miller revealed he was the head of the Patriots all along, you can't bring back a dead character for that
>>342779176
>>342778489
I feel that.
>>342778802
>And then it's negated because she actually just sacrificed for her country
But it's not negated. She wanted to make the world one but she couldn't do that because she is loyal to the United States. She believed in it. That part is about the times dictating who soldiers' enemies are, and that part is completely sound.
>PW
Haven't finished it, don't have the desire to to be honest.
>I think MGS4 was fine in that regard, there's the war economy/global control that's expanded on, the Big Boss/Zero duality, that "the man doesn't live up to the legend" from MGS1 and especially the end with Big Boss, dropping the guns and all of that. The plot itself was full of bullshit, but I really like where it went.
The skeleton of MGS4 sounds alright. Unfortunately it turns characters into caricatures of themselves like EVA and Naomi.
>Big Boss/Zero duality
Fuck that man that shit was ridiculous. We didn't get one single hint that Zero admired The Boss like Snake did.
>>342773705It's actually better than the movie, at least the Revenge of the Fallen one is
>>342779297
WHAT THE FUCK
>>342779208
A VR program in the likeness of Solid Snake.
>The nightmares? They never go away, Snake. Once you've been on the battlefield, tasted the exhilaration, the tension... it all becomes part of you. Once you've awakened the warrior within... it never sleeps again. You crave ever bigger tensions, ever bigger thrills. As a mercenary, I'd think you would have realized that by now. You care nothing for power, or money, or even sex. The only thing that satisfies your cravings is war! All I've done is give you a place for it. I've given you a reason to live.
This is the end to the entire series. It's the motivation behind every character, the means by which Parasites, Nanomachines, Metal Gear, Soldiers, Guns, Genes are all employed. There is no greater good, nobody is fighting the good fight, nobody is ethically superior or striving for anything different.
The Boss was not a hero, Big Boss was not a villain. Men are not good or evil, because good and evil do not exist, but men do.
There is no charity, no good will, no lesser evil. Just the thrill.
>All men seek happiness. This is without exception. Whatever different means they employ, they all tend to this end. The cause of some going to war, and of others avoiding it, is the same desire in both, attended with different views. The will never takes the least step but to this object. This is the motive of every action of every man, even of those who hang themselves.
It's the reason (You) played the game.
>>342779413
>But it's not negated
I don't remember her speech all that well but talking about breaking frontiers and unifying the world when you're super patriotic and willing to go for an undercover mission to steal a lot of dosh for your country is kinda contradictory.
>Unfortunately it turns characters into caricatures of themselves like EVA and Naomi.
What's wrong with EVA? She was mostly the infodump, which means at worst she'd be bland but not a caricature, she dies way too fast for that.
Naomi's scenes were full of melodrama I'll admit.
>Fuck that man that shit was ridiculous. We didn't get one single hint that Zero admired The Boss like Snake did.
It wasn't foreshadowed but I'm fine with the rest. Zero trying to make Big Boss a messiah, cloning him, both obsessing over each other, that's what I'd expect. And it makes the whole picture pretty interesting : Zero wants to change the world by controlling it and imposing his guidelines which ended up creating an endless conflict (war economy), Big Boss wants to change it by creating endless conflict from the very start, The Boss wanted to retire from that shit.
>>342780457
>Zero wants to change the world by controlling it and imposing his guidelines
>Big Boss wants to change it by creating endless conflict
>The Boss wanted to retire from that shit
Meanwhile The Patriots used information control to use "Guns" to cause an endless conflict, creating a neverending war economy to fund literal Utopia in the United States.
And Snake destroyed it. Not for the greater good. Not for a just cause. Forrevenge
>>342780457
>and willing to go for an undercover mission to steal a lot of dosh for your country is kinda contradictory.
Because she believed in the United States and what they were doing. Just like EVA. Stealing the Legacy would've helped either country. If you call EVA during Operation Snake Eater, one of the conversations is this:
Snake: Why'd you do it? Weren't you born and raised in America?
Eva: Yes, in a small rural town. I never even knew there were other countries,
other cultures, other ways of thinking. Until I went to work for the NSA.
Then, one day, I'd found I'd lost faith in the things I'd been taking for
granted.
Snake: What did you see? What was it that made you want to change sides?
Eva: You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
Snake: Try me.
Eva: I saw the universe.
Snake: The universe?
Eva: Not the actual universe. The universe as the intelligence community sees
it. I realized that the gravity in this universe was holding me back. That's
all. People and their countries are both changed by the environment. And by
the times.
>What's wrong with EVA?
Big Mama : The forbidden fruit. Appropriate... No?
>I took the apple from
the Snake... And was cast out of Eden.
Not only are lines like this fucking stupid, the second one is completely and utterly wrong. Snake was tempted by EVA, not EVA being tempted by Snake.
> Zero trying to make Big Boss a messiah, cloning him, both obsessing over each other, that's what I'd expect. And it makes the whole picture pretty interesting : Zero wants to change the world by controlling it and imposing his guidelines which ended up creating an endless conflict (war economy), Big Boss wants to change it by creating endless conflict from the very start, The Boss wanted to retire from that shit.
You're not telling me anything I don't already know. The problem is we're TOLD this, not SHOWN.
>>342749483
>jotaro's one-liners
>>342781010
>The problem is we're TOLD this, not SHOWN
That's the problem with Metal Gear, all the drama happens off stage.
>>342775373
But the base game of MGS2 is fun to play, MGS2 was the last game in the series where stealth truly mattered because you weren't a semi Rambo like soldier.
>>342780129
Too bad MGS3 onwards ruined that speech and character eh?
>>342762109
Me too, holy shit.
>>342780843
Yeah, the MGS4 Patriots were completely two dimensional villains compared to their MGS2 counterparts, motive wise and actions.
They weren't even taken out in MGS2.
>>342782059
>Too bad MGS3 onwards ruined that speech and character eh?
MGS3 was fine though. It was the perfect motivation for Big Boss to create Outer Heaven: A place where soldiers couldn't be pulled like puppets like The Boss and he were. Then as his merc company goes on he realizes that he simply enjoys all the killing.
>>342748173
I actually like it when games self reference the fact that they're games. It's cheeky. Not everything needs to be super duper serious.
>>342767202
That's part of translation, dipshit. Literal structure and meaning are not the same. A translation should be as direct as it can get away with being while still being fully comprehensible.
If subs were direct, literal translations, they'd be shitty, broken english at best, totally incomprehensible at worst. It's a translator's job to make sense of what they're translating. That's why we have different translators' editions of the same foreign works. There are multiple editions of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, for example, and of the Hagakure.
Linguistics is more complicated than people seem to realize.
>>342751421
This is fucking cool, and I've never even played this game. What are you bitching about? It's like an AI bugging out or some shit. I'm guessing that's what's going on, from the obvious context clues.
>>342784130
>It's like an AI bugging out or some shit. I'm guessing that's what's going on, from the obvious context clues.
it's an AI bugging out but the thing is that it gives another speech later some people ignored due to the thing bugging out.
The people that took the AI seriously think it's deep as fuck
>>342760480
>i need clear endings spoon-fed to me
This is why we can't have anything nice in movies or vidya. I love it when an ending actually happens on a note that doesn't just tie everything up in a nice knot. The ending is one more chance for communicate something to the person consuming the media. It should be part of the story, not explain the whole goddamned story.
You're a fucking idiot.
>>342784559
>The people that took the AI seriously think it's deep as fuck
The shit about creating context? Yeah I mean that stuff is really important regarding how our society is being shaped by the internet.
>>342784801
>It should be part of the story, not explain the whole goddamned story.
that would be fine if a sequel was planned but as of MGS2, no MGS3 was in development so you are left with a fuck ton of questions and no answers.
>>342784985
>The shit about creating context?
I'll take your word for it. I gave no fucks about it
>>342785109
>I'll take your word for it. I gave no fucks about it
You gave no fucks about how the internet has given rise to an abundance of useless information and platforms which idiots can spout even more useless information instead of bettering themselves and society?
Good luck to you in whatever you do I suppose.
>>342785678
I gave no fucks about the AI talking
>>342787049
>Good luck to you in whatever you do I suppose.
