ITT: Overwatch characters that are perfectly balanced and need no change.
>>342747730
He's so bland, yet he's my favorite to play.
All they need to do is nerf Torbjorn's turret and Mei
>>342749462
only on console thanks
oh look another overwatch thread
>>342749462
>having issues with torb's turret
how fucking bad are you, pay attention to your surroundings, plus the turret is squishy as fuck and 2 seconds of peek shooting will kill it.
i only have 3 hours with Torb, other torb turrets have never given me issues.
>>342749462
>nerf one of the most useless heroes
mei is fine. the tracking on torbs turret is pretty terrible. itll shoot you before its looking at you.
Torb is only OP on console
>>342747730
>>342749747
torb turrents are only annoying when the other team has set up behind a choke with a good widow and you're team isn't team enough to kill any of them.
though genji does work, hes just hard and I need to git gud
>>342749907
>turrents
>>342749747
That turret is annoying as fuck if you're the only one in its sights. It literally has autoaim up the asshole and targets you instantaneously. I've tried taking them down as Pharah. I do a good job of it but at the same time I can't avoid taking damage from the turret it always gets me no matter how quick I am to duck back into cover.
>>342748049
there's nothing wrong with call of daddy
>>342749747
>>342749462
the only thing wrong with Torb's turret is the tracking that shit will like instantly start shooting you as soon as you turn a corner even if it isnt facing your direction i think it should have a short delay like slightly less a TF2 sentry gun or something so that you cant just run around the turret and destroy it just by running in circles
>>342749747
The tracing is cancer, you cant peak on the squishier characters because it instantly snaps to you.
dad!dad!dad!dad!dad!
>>342750034
This
>>342747730
Reinhardt, Roadhog, Lucio, Mercy(maybe a SLIGHT buff to her pistol so that it's as good as D.Va's. It's just way too slow), Winston
>>342747730
I thinkpharah and d.vaare perfectly balanced
Molten Core needs a slight nerf, it should not be a free full heal for your turret. When he uses it, torb himself gains 300 armor but he doesn't heal more than that, so if he used it at 1 HP he'd have 301 HP. The turret should be the same way, being level 3 puts it at 800 HP, 500 above the level 2. Instead of just putting it at 800 it should give it 500 additional HP from where it's currently at, so if he uses it when it's at 1 it goes to 501. Then, once it's over, it's health should be put to whatever health value it was at if it was under 300, instead of just healing it back to 300.
As it is right now it's really fucking annoying to deal with because you HAVE to spike down the turret or he'll just pop the ultimate and then waste everyone's time, even if he's nowhere near it.
>>342750131
>Mercy having a good dps gun
Fine if she loses how fast her ult charges and make it interruptible.
>>342749883
She's so close to being perfect. But she isn't. Her cooldowns are really bad for what they are, especially the wrist blast.
Her rockets do *almost* enough DPS. It's so fucking close. If they fired like 5-10% faster she'd be the perfect character.
Quake has rocket firing rate at 75. I think 70 rpm would make her rockets feel amazing.
His ult and alt-fire should charge a little quicker
>>342749879
The most useless piece of shit when on my team, blender on the other team. I swear every time I play with one he dies the second he switches forms.
>>342750131
Mercy's pistol actually has a higher DPS than D.va's. D.va's just fires faster for less damage, so you probably end up landing more shots with it.
>>342747730
He's perfectly balanced because he's perfectly shit.
Hard counter to no one and hard-countered by everyone.
>>342750240
she should lose that anyways
im honestly not sure why the bothered releasing overwatch on console, why would anyone want to play a shooter let alone a fast paced shooter on a console
>>342750510
Because while you can't aim as good it is still playable and fun.
>>342749907
>turrents
I fucking hate you
>people think Torb on PC needs a nerf
how to identify shitters
>>342750240
Fair enough. A slight nerf to her ult is justifiable.
I just want her to be on par with Lucio in terms of healing potential. She lags ever so slightly behind if the majority of the team is in Lucio's aura.
Ironically, the hue character is in the PERFECT fucking spot to try and balance all characters around him. To the point where they all feel viable and necessary as a part of team comp yet not extraordinarily broken in any way.
>>342750369
The bullet speed just seems a lot faster imo. Idk for sure I'd need to test it out.
>tfw no dedicated plasma gun character. D.Va is the closest we got and she fucking sucks even more out of her mech(for obvious reasons)
>>342750572
but then you have a lot of weird balance issues that need to be corrected for the console that dont apply to the PC, and vice versa
![_overwatch_mei_by_kioon321-d9fy325[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cznCJ4v.png "_overwatch_mei_by_kioon321-d9fy325[1].png")
>>342749819
>mei is fine
>>342750034
That seems like the point
>>342750660
>She lags ever so slightly behind if the majority of the team is in Lucio's aura.
See this seems fair to me because her ult is such a game changer (more than Lucio's is)
>tfw finding out his first 5 shots are almost always 100% accurate with basically no spread return mechanic, so you can just burst spam people across the map with easy HS
>tfw making all those Honzo and Window mains asspained when you basically insta kill them
>tfw getting accused of hacknig because of all the dinks you're getting
LMAO Solider has become my most favorite class in Overwatch
For someone so simple, he's the master of causing asspain
>>342750510
>why would anyone want to play a shooter let alone a fast paced shooter on a console
casuals who don't know any better?
>>342748049
He's unique to the game's setting and nature, that's why he's interesting.
Also Biotic is damn ridiculous. If they nerf it he'll be ruined.
>mfw a year from now Blizzard will be buffing heroes in patches that coincide with a $20 skin for said hero
I wish they'd just fuck off. Everything is fine as is quite honestly, just develop more modes/maps and fuck off with the buff/nerf micromanagement. The Meta should be determined by the players, not the fucking faceless monolith.
>>342749747
Torbs turret is fucking stupid because it instantly locks and its almost 100% accurate.
His turret is really fucking tanky when someone like genji tries to take him down and if genji reflects the turret can kill genji during a reflect and genji can't do enough reflect damage to kill it either.
If your team isn't good your just fucked.
>>342750672
As someone who plays both on ps4 and pc the only two noticeable differences are how easy it is to play phara and torbs fucking turret
>>342749883
Her ult is dogshit 90% of the time though
>>342750439
>i cant aim
his dps is massive if you can hit, plus he has good healing capability
>when the beams gets thick
>>342750797
True. Fair point.
Mercy is fine honestly.
Even Zenyatta doesn't look too bad now that Widowmaker got nerfed.
>>342750949
This. Her ult fucking sucks I'm sorry. one of the worst in the game.
Tons of ults do just as much insane damage and don't leave the user nearly as exposed.
>>342750889
>le meta le meta!!!
There shouldn't be a fucking "meta" composition because that shows it has poor balancing.
>>342750686
>somehow, this is a chinese person
>>342750660
>She sucks out of her mech
That mech was built to contain her unholy strength. sometimes I ditch the mech just so I have access to her pistol.
>>342750737
>i keep trying to 1v1 mei and dying pls nerf her
Its like complaining about dying to a sniper when youre standing out in the open. shes designed to be veey difficult to 1v1 up close. the solution? 2v1 her or kill her from a distance.
>>342750949
This at least for her ult her rockets need no fall off damage so you can at least do it some a safe spot. I have gotten some clutch saves by flanking with it but most of the time it is not worth it to use the ult. It has its places as it is now yes but they are too few and far between.
>>342749879
I actually think he is one of the worst heroes in the game. Literally useless after you learn how to play the game and how to counter him.
>>342749819
mei needs a total rework
shes not over or under powered in actual fighting capability, but her ability to control objectives is mind boggling, and actually fighting her is simply miserable and antifun
everything about her is just infuriating
she can also refreeze you way too soon, you get like a quarter of a second before you start getting slowed again
Also s 76 is hot :^)
>>342750439
I don't think you know what hard counter means anon. The only character he has trouble with besides widow is maybe d'va but she's terrible. He is a good all around character and becomes amazing if you actually have good tracking.
This guy
>>342750982
>get 41% offensive assists by damage boosting a Sym for a round
It's like the enemy team just melted
>>342748049
>Blizzard created a generic military shooter character as a gateway for COD players
>Well balanced, fits in almost any team but not overpowered.
>Somehow he's still one of the funnest characters to play being call of duty man.
>>342751235
d. va is strong af desu top tier
I can't fucking stand mei's voice. More grating then d.va.I love playing reinhardt and charging at her from a long distance and hearing as she screams before the fat fuck is squashed against wall and her bones break under the weight of her fat
>>342747730
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Yes I am the wall Mei-ker
>>342750587
his ult needs to charge slower thats my only complaint
its always up and he becomes quite powerful with it
>>342750982
I don't understand how her gun works, either the normal or alt fire.
>>342751202
Just be Tracer and unload a clip into the bitches head before she can even touch you.
>>342749462
Mei's iceblock probably needs a CD nerf, it's up pretty often, otherwise she's fine
Torb's turrets need like a fraction of a second to lock on.
D.va needs...something. She's just a huge tank that doesn't like to truly die but that's about it.
Roadhog needs a nerf, does way too much damage for his role.
Genji's reflect needs to not be visual until the first projectile he reflects.
>>342751235
Try running a team of nothing but Soldier 76 and you'll see why he's bad. Theoretically he's well rounded, but ends up on the losing end of every composition. Any other character is a better pick.
>>342751346
>implying she doesn't just make a wall to stop you or goes into her icicle
>>342750982
Symmetry is one of the most underrated characters ever. she is an godly tank killer.
>>342751126
It's literally impossible to balance a game more complex than Rock Paper Scissors and not have a metagame
>>342751168
Her pistol is amazing but cmon man...150 hp without any abilities? That's pretty shitty.
Might as well play Zenyatta who can basically do the same thing plus charge and throw orbs everywhere.
>>342751168
Or you could be Mercy and have a stronger pistol and team utility.
Mercy does 20 per shot while d'va does 14
>>342751170
Her ice block is fucking annoying. Would be better if it didn't recover health.
>>342749747
This, if you're struggling with Torb's turret on PC you suck penis.
>b-but you can't peak them as a squishy character!
Then don't, wait for a teammate or switch. This is a class-based shooter, some characters just get hard-countered by others. Deal with it and stop maining single characters like a tremendous autistic faggot,
>>342749883
Literally the only balanced character.
>>342751126
>Team comp is poor balancing
5 Syms and their turrets can win this shit. There wasn't any real balancing to begin with. Just a fuckton of ideas slapped onto poorly designed maps.
I couldn't give a fuck about the meta in any game, but it will exist regardless, and since it will exist it should be determined by the shitfaced playerbase before the faceless behemoth raking in all the shekels.
He's broken if stacked though
>GOT YOU IN MY SIGHT
>GOT YOU IN MY SIGHT
>GOT YOU IN MY SIGHT
Only counter to it is Reinhardt but chances are they have a Reaper or some other character to fuck him up before they pop a million auto aim ults.
>>342750949
>>342751191
>>342751079
That's because retards try to use it to get potg rather than using it as a 100% chance to kill two people. when i say two people, one of them can always be a healer. Two people is a third of their team. Same goes for Deadeye. It can be used to Zone people out or it can be used as a guaranteed kill on a coule key members on the other team.
mei is honestly pretty balanced, for the most part if you died to mei it means you fucked up and went somewhere alone
just avoid her 1v1, outside of that she can't really punish you much
a lot of the characters are honestly pretty well balanced, the only obviously broken one was mcree pre-nerf and he got nerfed, although they didn't nerf it as well as they could
mercy's revive could do with a bit of a tweak to how fast it can be charged, but she is pretty fucking squishy still
>>342751436
you can nerf roadhogs damage when you fix his hook so people stopped getting pulled beside or through me every other time
>>342751378
It has three phases, 30/60/120 damage per second. The longer you do damage, the more it does. Her alt fire does more damage the longer you charge it up. from 25-125. Both pass through shields, can't be reflected
>>342751457
I've done 6 Soldier teams before. We stomp the opposition.
I also haven't played a match in a while as Soldier where I don't have at least silver medals in damage/eliminations.
>>342751793
I use it to clear an area not get kills but there is nothing to fear when it kills slowly and is easily stopped.
>>342751202
Shes a zoner that zones wherever shes standing. see >>342751170
>>342751562
the whole point is that you are vulnerable and weak without the mech and you should avoid losing it
>>342751572
Mercy's gun is actually pretty good with a passive team, i managed to get 4 gold medals one game (no one voted for me)
>>342751284
I don't even disagree.
If you're good, you can win and stomp with anybody. This ain't shit like DotA 3.8 where characters are legitimately broken, I.E. cannot function for one reason or another because they break the foundation for better or worse. MOBAs go through too much development and testing to actually have gamebreaking shit.
Which is why Blizzard needs to just fuck off and develop new content instead of tinkering with the old.
>>342751686
Have you not realise 90 percent of teams you get thrown into on this game are full of retards? i'd love to switch personally but right now im focusing on healing the team or some shit.
>>342751126
You retarded? In literally any game with any depth, there's going to be a meta. Certain strategies will always be better than others. That's like bitching about how opening a chess game by putting your king in the middle is a bad move.
>>342750737
>have Mei on our team on KOTH
>Enemy team rushes towards the point
>They're grouped together perfectly for Reinhardt's ult
>suddenly an ice wall pops up, completely blocking the ult and costing us the point
>Mei player gets salty that we're calling him shit.
>>342751684
and when shes in it. she cant attack. when she gets out. you and another team mate are free to slaughter her. she cant handle fighting two targets because of the way her damage works. she can only freeze in one direction.
use your head.
>>342751457
>We're all soldiers now
I've done this and rolled over the Red team.
>>342751284
Fix his fucking hitboxes and he'll be golden.
you literally just aim an arrow in someones general direction and they die in 1 hit.
>>342752128
Conversely, I've fought teams that tried this and we stomped them.
>>342751891
assuming youre talking about barrage, you can freely use it on a couple people without worrying about being killed. just dont make it so obvious.
>>342750982
>>342751872
her alt fire can be reflected by genji actually.
>>342752079
Then your team deserves to lose for being retards. Simple as that.
>>342751351
Haha EPIC! #MAGA bro!
>>342751572
Shoots faster and has a bigger clip tho
>>342751562
Yeah but when you get close to zenyatta he dies, when you get close to dva, she calls mech and blasts your shit in. I've probably killed more people by calling the mech on top of them than I have with her ult.
>>342751517
Symetra is a beast. And she's made for offense but nobody realizes. Her orbs are perfect for fucking up turrets, bastions and camping snipers. and in general it's better against defense because defenders tend to be in more predictable places. Her beam is perfect for when your team pushes in and people are just trying to jump around and avoid getting hit. Her turrets are great for making a safe space for your team to travel through, as well as early warning for flankers.
Her teleporter is better than mercy's rez because if you protect it you will ALWAYS rez six people, and you can put it in a good tactical position, rather than just having everyone pop up and instantly get put down again. You can usually put it directly outside their spawn too, because every map has the one door people always go through, and the one door that nobody even looks at. Which means you can push all day and not have to worry about dying.
And on top of all of it, her shields let squishy offense heros have a fighting chance during pushes.
Symetra is fucking great, people just can't into her playstyle, and sometimes teams refuse to take advantage of her teleporters. So many times they retreat PAST it instead of pushing forward.
>mfw 76 is just Widowmaker with mobility and a better Ult
Why would anyone play the French blueberry? Do they enjoy being Spiderman who gets lit up trying to get to the whole 2 vantage points that everybody knows about?
Speaking of which, why are 95% of the roofs invisible walls? What is this bullshit design?
>>342752263
>Roadhog on our team NEVER fires his gun regurarly
>if he misses a hook he just backs off behind a corner waiting for the cooldown
I used to like Roadhog but I realize most people just play him for his instagib combo, I can't respect that
>>342747730
>play as McCree
>have ultimate ready
>activate it, 4 targets in a perfect line
>ITS HIGH NOON
>ice wall pops up
>forced to cancel ultimate
>Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice: " WHAT KILLED YOUR FUN? THE ICE AGE!!"
>fucking mei
>>342752263
Did they increase piggly wiggly's hook range? It seems a lot longer than I remember it being in the beta.
>>342752475
Seriously what the fuck is with the roofs. 90% of the time they look standable but just push you off.
>>342750737
close to 0 comp relevance, could use minor buff
>>342752475
There are spots you can conveniently place yourself with the grappling hook and get a fuck ton of kills.
>>342752685
>Activate ult
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>The entire enemy team hides in a corner so I can't shoot them
>No one on my team manages to push in and capitalize on this
>>342747730
>play as McCree
>have ultimate ready
>activate it, 4 targets in a perfect line
>ITS HIGH NOON
>ice wall pops up
>forced to cancel ultimate
>Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice: " WHAT KILLED YOUR FUN? THE ICE AGE!!"
>fucking mei
>at least it isn't torbjörn
Can someone convince me NOT to pick Winston for every match???
>>342751850
It's probably an issue with different lags between connections, as well as the delay before they pull you.
>>342752440
Doesn't have more ammo they both have 20 shots. D'va is barely faster at 7 shots per second compared to mercy's 5 shots per seconds.
>>342752090
I understand that. But under what situation are you going to encounter her in a 2v1 unless you're fighting off the point? If she's standing next to the objective and stopping you from pushing/taking a few seconds of invulnerability is pretty big. It gives teammates time to get back to the point and back her up. Also, once she's out of her ice block she can pop a wall and deny you/zone you out.
>>342751872
her beam doesn't pass through shields but her orb does.
>>342750737
Mei's a character that's entirely fine that's just a pain in the ass to play against.
She's like Hanzo if Hanzo wasn't complete garbage
>>342752475
Pharah was abusing the roofs pretty hard in early beta, so they removed them as standable terrain.
>>342752595
>Roadhog on the opposite team who never uses his ult and just tries to flank
>>342752873
He gets shredded by Bastion and Reaper
>>342752475
Because she has the most broken ult in the game and can still kill most of the cast with ease.
But fuck people who choose her for koth though. Fuck them hard.
>>342751170
>i keep trying to 1v1 mei and dying pls nerf her
Isn't this what everyone said about pre-nerf McCree?
>>342751346
Zenyatta's screams when he's being charged crack me up
I really hate the way you have to play with a roadhog against you, zoning you ot team mates put of chokes super hard cause of a 7 second cooldown
CC really doesnt belong in a shooter
This guy
I'm not even kidding 5 of them and a Lucio is unstoppable
>>342753217
>who is Reaper
>>342752946
in what situation are you going to be away from your team in a spot where mei can kill you?
as a genji, tracer, winston or dva. all of which have abilites that can get away from mei in a 1v1 situation.
if your flanking that deep on a character with low mobility, youre gonna die. stay with your team ffs.
>>342753102
McCree had a free "win encounter" button. Fan did 425 damage almost instantly. And had TWO chances to do this. Mei does not have that.
>>342753102
Yeah but McCree took half a second to kill somebody and could shred even tanks.
Mei takes a few seconds to freeze, and can't
really reliably kill tanks.
>>342753217
Bastion spam counters mass Winston
>>342753029
Bastion shreds everyone, that's why you have someone else to kill bastion before you jump in.
Reaper is true, if they have a good Reaper winston won't achieve anything.
>>342752595
That's because Roadhog has absolutely shit range and can't dish out any kind of meaningful damage without first landing a hook, or being point blank.
A Roadhog that doesn't disengage when his hooks on cooldown is just an ult battery.
Unless you mean they never even attempt to chip damage with right click or something when convenient, in which that case, yeah, that's fucking annoying. Like a Mcree that can only flash and fan.
>>342753102
Hes still designed to 1v1 squishies, hes an antiflanker. youve gotta hit all the shots though. since most people cant aim he seems underpowered.
his problem before was he melted tanks. nothing more, nothing less.
>>342749879
>Two Bastions sitting on the Payload defending it
>Drop down behind them as Reaper
>Kill both before they can do anything
He's shit and everyone who plays him is shit
>>342751789
How does Rein counter a CoD Squad? Their combined DPS would destroy his shield and then him.
>>342753217
Reaper and Bastion, I've gone against teams who tried to spam Winston and with 2 reapers they got completely shut down.
>>342753029
So does everyone else
>>342753029
But thats like, his only downside.
I just want to try out new heroes, but Winston ALWAYS seems like the most useful pick in every game mode for every map
>>342749879
Only because he's the most boring character to play. That's the balance, nobody can cope playing his bland robotic ass for more than one match...right?
>>342753217
>Soldier 76
>Low health, start running away from him.
>Scream as he super monkey jumps over to me.
I'd say D.Va's almost there, just make her defense matrix last a few seconds longer and/or allow her to shoot while it's up. If I had it my way, I'd also have her ultimate charge faster and detonate after 3 seconds as opposed 4, but I'd be happy with just the DM changes.
>>342753418
his right click from medium range is extremely powerful. hes good for holding objectives since theyre gonna need to get close.
Holy shit this thread.
You are all really bad at this game, aren't you? Literally every post here almost isn't actual imbalance, it's "I died against somebody who played a character well, please nerf."
I mean, somebody in here actually said to nerf anything about Hanzo. HANZO.
>>342753429
He can't even kill Reaper or Tracer anymore since the stun wears off before all the hits
Then tracer just blinks away or reaper just soars away
>>342747730
tell me about Soldier 76, why does he wear the mask?
>>342747730
Genji, all of the day
>>342753615
Try headshotting after the first fan.
>>342753612
The only "nerf" Hanzo needs is a whitelist to stop bad players from playing him.
>>342751872
Her primary fire doesn't go through Reinhardt's shield.
>>342753612
The game's pretty balanced right now, you can tell be cause in Comp the top-tier are composed solely of the supports which actually are critical to a team.
I'd probably buff a few characters in very minor ways if I had a choice.
>>342753494
He also lacks the damage to kill people getting healed by orbs,mercy,soldier heal. He's a good character but I don't see a point of immediately picking him unless you know the enemy will have widow and genji right off the bat. Winston is fine as initial pick on control point though.
>>342750982
More like
>when the Poo hits the Loo just right
>>342753516
>Soldier 76
>Low health
Nigga u have a heal. Pop it and wale on that ape escape
>>342753726
But even a good Hanzo is worse than a mediocre Widow.
>Ctrl + F "Zarya"
>Nothing
Are none of you aware of how completely bullshit zaryas ult is? It pulls from fucking miles, literally impossible to escape (Cant blink, can't charge, can't jump out of it, cant fly away), and if it gets combo'd with almost any other ult its fucking impossible to prevent a multi or even team kill. The only thing that comes close to nullifying it is reinhardts shield to try to stave off your death, which still wont matter much because zarya pecks through it into rein (For some bullshit ass reason)
The only way to prevent a decent zarya from getting teamkills is to be far away from your team, which isn't how the games supposed to be played, otherwise her and 90% of the roster can just combo their ults and take whatever objective they want.
>>342753640
Not sure, but his character reminds me of Slade Wilson only he's still a good guy.
>play as McCree
>have ultimate ready
>activate it, 4 targets in a perfect line
>ITS HIGH NOON
>ice wall pops up
>forced to cancel ultimate
>Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice: " WHAT KILLED YOUR FUN? THE ICE AGE!!"
>fucking mei
>>342753640
He doesn't with best skin
>>342753418
He can instakill with his RMB from a decent range, and if he doesn't at least it will hurt a lot and someone else will hopefully finish them off.
Seriously, if you're going to limit yourself to just one aspect of a character you might as well just play other characters.
>>342753479
Only way to save your team from being buttblasted by a million soldier ults, it will probably break your shield but at least they wasted their ult doing it. And hopefully someone killed them off meanwhile.
>>342753824
>Zarya pulls me in with her ult
>Kill her because I can still shoot and heal myself
Wow so broken.
>>342753580
I see what you mean. Alternate fire is ironically more useful than primary fire outside of the hook combo or point blank range.
>>342752475
Because anyone who's ever been competent with a sniper rifle in any other FPS is a fucking murder machine with widow.
She can one shot half the heroes if she hits them in the head.
>>342749462
>Torb's turret
>Not his tank melting shotgun
I out damage reapers with this shit.
>>342749747
>>342750034
This. It snaps onto you instantly which is bullshit.
>>342753824
Cause Zarya requires you to shoot her shields for her to be good, and if you're not shit that's not a hard thing to avoid.
>>342753217
>Unstoppable
>He doesn't know the power of the hammer.
>>342753615
See pic related I don't feel like writing it again
>>342753934
>best
>not default
>>342753983
>Zarya ults
>You manage to kill her
>Doesn't matter because Hanzos ult comes in and kills you and your entire fucking team that can literally do nothing about it.
>You've kept them off the point the entire game.
>But now you've lost.
>>342753480
Are you sure? I have yet to see a Bastion outplay a Winston.
>>342753824
you can blink out, you can charge out, reaper can unvuln out genji can dash out and zenyatta counters it with his ult. you're bad
>>342753934
Whoops wrong image
>>342753880
Mei is the best time waster ever
>mfw I spend 2 straight minutes contesting the payload by alternating between Ice Wall to block their shots and Ice Block
>>342753824
I have literally never been affected by Zharya's ult. I can't even tell you what her abilities are, or am sure if I've even seen her ult.
Just flank as 76 and kill her in 5 seconds. What else is there to tell? Every game consists of the Flank, the Tank and the meat shields.
So she pulls the meat shields? Who gives a fuck. Stop being a meat shield.
>>342752751
I don't like this thing about the game, I mean I would understand if they made the roofs around the edges slippery, but those in the way... would it break the game so much to be able to stand on the roofs along the way?
>>342753824
>d.va defense matrix absorbs everything
>genji deflects everything back
>your own zarya shields you
>reinhardt shields you
But Genji or Hanzo will just ignore any form of defense and kill everyone anyway. Zarya's ult is crazy if they plan ahead, but you should be prepared for it yourself too. If she hasn't used it in a while you should know it's going to come. Don't stand so clumped together.
>>342753934
He looks just like my dad when he was younger. I'd get depressed every time I saw it so I stopped using it
>>342754145
>>342753824
So don't clump up when there's an enemy Zarya around. Easy.
You only think she's OP because you're bad.
>>342754145
>Wow it only took your whole team's combined ults to kill me
>>342754023
I'm not talking about her damage, I'm talking about her ult. If an attacking zarya plays with hanzo on a point capture map, and either of them knows what they're doing, you're going to fucking lose regardless of your team comp (Unless you're all snipers or not playing the objective anyway because you're bad)
>>342750034
>56dps
>instantly snaps you
>4 seconds = instant
It's stationary and a wasted hero slot. You could pick a useful character or torb.unless if you play on console where torb is best char since people can't aim
>>342753217
> 5 of them and a Lucio
So literally team Harambe
>>342752475
>>342752751
>>342754249
>Hanzo and Genji can run up walls
>The walls lead to nothing and the passive serves little to no purpose
>Can't ninja run on roofs
Thanks for nothing, Blizzard.
>>342753615
if you hold right click immidiatly after pressing E hell fire as soon as possible. alternatively, you can headshot them 2-3 times. itll force the flanker to fuck off, or if theyre tracer theyll die.
>>342753824
tracer can recall out of in. genji can E in it. mei can freeze herself. monkey can put down a barrier to help a little. junkrat can shoot the entire enemy team. snipers and 76 can use their head amd keep track of enemies ults to be a sage distance away while still being a threat. roadhog can eat, with one other tank eill probably live. dva can def matrix, soldier can use his heal circle. theres a lot you can do at once to help mitigate the damage, but only if you have a decent level of awareness.
she'll kill a couple people with it, but it can still be helped. Theres always something you can do to help.
in some situations yeah, youre gonna get fucked. but thats the case with all ults.
>>342753934
This is the indicator for a bad S76 if anything.
>>342754394
I mean you can just not clump up so close together on the point.
>>342753945
I personally think that Roadhogs hook combo is the most important part of his character.
But you are right about Right Click. It's pretty devastating when used from just the right range.
>>342753807
You don't play Hanzo in Sniper slot, he's midrange shitter and still worse pick than most others.
Almost, at least. His cons outweigh his pros a bit.
@342750439
no (you) for you anon. learn to bait properly
>>342753990
yeah it is. it's also good for killing nearly everyone because its cone is very small and does a lot of damage.
>>342752595
>mfw playing roadhog lately
>always end up carrying the team
i don't like it
>>342753284
Reaper can still take some heat from him if he has support
Me and my friends either pick:
>6 soldiers
>5 soldiers + lucio
>5 soldiers + mercy
We have yet to lose a single game, we're all over lvl 150.
The bomb spamming and healing ward spamming by so many soldiers is so broken that it's hilarious.
>>342754293
I didn't think about Dvas absorb
But reinhards shield and genjis deflect doesn't matter against hanzo or junkrats ult.
Neither does the shield unless its timed perfectly, and only saves one person.
>Don't stand so clumped together on a defense objective map
So just let them drive in and take the point? Brilliant. Doesn't matter anyway, shes gonna pull us from miles away regardless.
>>342754346
>Dont play the objective
Yeah sounds real fuckin smart.
>>342754691
Alright then, enjoy the team wipe.
>>342754145
You need two ults for that, while some heroes like Reaper you just jumps in from behind and kills 4~5 people by pressing Q, or you drop a explosive tire from a place where the team can't see in order to destroy it.
Zarya really isn't that bad, if your team is really cramped up sucking each ones dick you are asking for a team wipe.
>>342751191
>fall off damage
Each rocket does 40 damage up until despawn limit
>>342750949
Her ult is better when you try to defend a point (given that she offensive class)
>>342754739
>Zaryas ult has stupid ass range that will literally pull you from both ends of hanamuras B side map if dropped in the center
>Huuuuur dont group up.
>>342754465
I hate that it's an Origins skin if only because this stigma that will be around for probably the game's entire life. That being said, it's still better than default and the dumb daredevil recolors.
Honestly I can't excuse any company who calls recolors "skins". All actual skins should have recolor customization by default. Fucking dammit I hate this industry and the Jews who inhabit it.
Bone/Default would be the best if it had Strike-Commander's coat. I like the coat.
>>342754691
>>Dont play the objective
You can take the objective without being clumped up.
>>342754664
I love this shit so much, nothing in this game makes me laugh harder than stomping a team with a call of duty squad.
>>342753297
>>342753312
>>342753429
>i....it's okay when Mei can kill anyone in 1v1
>>342753217
He literally can't kill a D.va
>>342754394
how do you thinl ults get built up? it's one of the slowest charging ults in the game. if you wanna talk bs ults we need to talk about mercy. hes charge FAST and by time you hear the audio queue the res is alreadu finished casting.
>>342754819
it's certainly not that wide. seriously, look at it when you dont get sucked in
o wait lol
>>342754738
>Either let them take the point or get team wiped.
Now do you dense motherfuckers see why its so broken? mediocre Zarya + braindead Hanzo makes defending volskaya and hanamura literally impossible.
>>342754898
1/10 read those posts you quoted and use some thinking anon.
>>342752886
>hook can pull beside above and behind you
>hook can travel infnitely until you die if you happen to miss inbetween a level seam
>hook can also infinite if you hook someone the same tick they die or disconnect
Next to reaper pigfucker is the buggiest hero
>>342754898
If by "anyone" you mean "only squishies at close range after a few seconds" then sure I guess.
>>342754898
Every single Mei gets shit on by any Mcree player.
>>342754992
No, you drop the point until the Zarya is dealt with.
>>342755081
Not him,
>Drop off point
>There's now 6 of them on it and it's capped before her ult finishes
>>342754987
The res is bullshit in KOTH.
Zarya +Hanzo is bullshit for attacking objectives.
>Certainly not that wide.
Yeah, you're right. Either 20 tick hates me or I've been pulled from 50 fucking meters by sheer rng.
>>342754898
she can kill most flanking squishy 1v1. like every single defense charavter shes a zoner.
so yeah, its okay. flankers can fuck off from her if they think for a second before getting frozen.
it's like saying junkrat or bastion shouldnt be able to zone a doorway, yet their entire character is aread denial.
Literally the only people who should be "playing the objective" is the Tank and Support. If you aren't flanking as a DPS, you're just taking and delivering potshots until you inevitably use your ult at the worst possible time in an attempt to get PotG.
Just because you're not on the objective doesn't mean you aren't playing it. Do your job and use the map to clear their team, don't just hide behind Reinhardt, his shield is for him and you once the objective is CLEARED. Until then it's your job to clear it.
Coming from a DPS primary. Nothing makes my blood boil like seeing the other DPS just sit the fuck back. You can literally get free kills by walking up behind people, and most of the maps are made for flanking.
>>342755081
>Drop point
>Let enemy team push in
>Counterpush
>Zarya ult
>Hanzo/Dva/Junk/Reaper/Phara/Etc ult
>Teamkill
>Lose.
You're really bad at this game.
>>342753217
>can't kill dva
>reaper melts him
>torb rightclick melts him
>roadhog melts him
>shield down s76 shreds him and just runs away
Monkey can do some things but shittons of upfront damage is not one of those
>
>>342755218
No, you kill her before she ults because you're smart and know she's on the enemy team. Not "Zarya ulted, get off the point and wait!!"
I'm saying "Zarya is coming, get off the point and kill her before she ults."
>>342755291
>Tank and Support on point
>Enemy team ignores them ensuring 1 person sits on point while they pop the other 4 retards one at a time while Tank tries and fails to kill anyone
>>342755337
Nah, you sound pretty bad if you can't even deal with a half decent Zarya.
>>342751170
pretty sure she wasn't supposed to be a 1v1 monster. her innocent character doesn't match up with her gang-execution playstyle and even one of the tips in-game suggests separating her from her teammates to handle her on her own. i think blizzard intended her to be a support character, controlling an area and setting up teammates for kills, but the ice spike headshot damage ruined that.
>>342753296
>rightclick headshot
>rightclick headshot
>>342755389
>Kill her before she Ults
>She expects to die and pops it strategically
Do you even not retard?
>>342755224
It has the same radius of Mei or Reaper ults. Its juts that the solid ball is on the middle of it and the borders of the area are not so clearly visible, and you are just shit.
>>342755562
>She isn't anywhere near the point and wastes it
Just stop, I can tell you're a shitter.
>>342755291
I think S76 and Junkrat are just fine for contesting objectives, but I understand what you're saying about people who try to frontline as Genji or some shit.
>>342755389
Its never "Zarya is coming."
Its "Zarya and half of her god damn team is coming, and hanzos in the back waiting for the combo."
You cannot stop it without 2+ snipers, which is a horrible defense build because you'll get flanked by the squishies. If you try counterpushing you get wombo comboed, if you try flanking you get sacked and rinsed.
>>342755619
>She isn't anywhere near the point
>You pushed out from encampment and enemy team just sits there killing you 1 by 1 while Tracer sits on point uncontested
Just stop, I can tell you're a shitter.
>>342753757
>Playing Soldier
>Have a harmony orb on me
>Winston jumps on me
>Press E
>I'm actually healing faster than he can damage me
>>342755482
Not as bad as the shithead who thinks leaving a defending point open for a push with a decent zarya is ever a good idea.
>>342755224
it isnt that wide. ive been a good enough distance away from it many times.
>>342755547
>runs away
>doesnt shoot at the person their running away from
if youre gonne let her sit still and aim you may as well be at spawn anyway.
>>342755728
>let zarya and half their team ult you
>suddenly they have no more ults left
>HEROES NEVER DIE
>>342755728
>>342755816
>>342755836
>all these fucking casuals
how do you even function
>Pharah Security Chief
Wait a minute, that visor...
>>342755884
>This fucking casual
How do you even function?
>>342749462
If anything, they'll buff Torbjorn by making it so only him and his teammates can see its laser-targeting sight.
>>342755884
Sounds like a sniveling zarya main afraid for her Point cap win ratio.
Is Mercy supposed to be secretly a counter to bastion? Cause she seriously shits on bastion with her pistol, if you hit every shot which is impossible not to he will die in one clip.
>>342754839
>wearing a cape to a fight
>>342756215
the same can be said about any character.
but no, reaper tracer pharah snipers pretty much anyone with a gun counters bastion.
>>342754691
Complaining about 1 ult is one thing, but if a team coordinates a wombo combo, then well tough shit.
>>342755881
>Implying a mercy, a hero who has to stay within 5m of a team mate to heal them wouldnt get grouped into the zarya ult (That she cant fly away from even with a phara) and killed too.
>>342752440
I agree comepletely. I love using Symmetra, because I understand her true potential, and its funny how it can shake up an enemy team, especially when they underestimate you like crazy. The problem is, putting up with retards who always attack you in the chat, "huur why are you picking her omg LOL we are gun lose now"
>>342756441
>You couldn't defend your hanamura points because 2 zaryas cycled their ults with a hanzo and a dva to ensure you can't get back on the point?
>Tough shit git gud.
>>342756448
Mercy can in fact shift out of the zarya black hole as long as someone is nearby that isn't sucked in.
>>342756448
>team cant keep track of enemies ults
gain some awareness. letting them die to 4 ults then ressing them is better than dying with them
When are they going to buff D. Va?
>>342756178
sounds like a sniveling anything else main afraid of gitting gud
There seems to be a lot of low mmr players in this thread. Talking about not staying near your team is retarded because at higher skill levels that's never going to happen, teams stick together except for one flanker.
This is the kind of team that you will often see when you get good: tank (usually Reinhardt), dps that protects the tank (usually 76), healer (almost always Mercy), secondary tank (Roadhog, Zarya or Winston), flanker (Reaper, sometimes Genji or Pharah), and a second healer and dps. Everyone sticks together because otherwise they're going to get picked off.
And that one anon is right, Zarya's ult is extremely dangerous because it can so easily kill multiple people when paired with other ult. There's a reason why pros are also starting to use Zarya more and more often.
>>342747730
Is it a fair assumption that the game is balanced around soldier?
>>342752440
Let's not forget that her beam can power up not only from directly hitting enemies, but from hitting Rein/Winston shields and Mei's ice wall as well.
If a Mei ice walls you, she has provided you the means to destroy her. You can literally take her from full down to zero before she can freeze you.
>>342756792
Hopefully never, any real buffs would put her completely over the line.
More tanky and she becomes a turbo winston, more damage and she becomes a turbo tracer.
She's a shit designed character that is fundamentally stepping on toes already.
Who uses Grandpa here?
>Play tank in mmos
>play a tank in overwatch
>he can be offensive power house
>he can protect your team and carry them to victory
>has the best legendary skin for tanks
>only weakness is his speed and the need to rely on support healers in the heat of the battle.
If you ain't blocking 50k damage per game you're doing it wrong
>>342756792
I think D. Va is pretty good. I think you have to take advantage of her mobility by using her shift a lot, and when you pop out of the suit just jump a lot.
It sounds like a piss poor strategy but I always do pretty well with her.
>>342757129
It's the same issue previous Blizzard games like SC2 have; they balance for the high-levels leaving characters with a low skill/effectiveness ratio to dominate at the lower levels.
Torb, Mercy, and Junkrat get their ults too fast. Torbs turret needs adjustments. Mostly with how fast it snaps.
Mei and reaper shouldn't be able to contest the point while invulnerable. Mei shouldn't be able to heal herself and reaper shouldn't be able to pick up packs while in wraith form. Fix Hanzo's hit boxes. Dva needs to have her crit box moved and other adjustments already mentioned.
>>342757350
People cant even dish out 50k damage a game you fucking mong
>>342757129
>More often
shes been in every single game since ever. not just because of her ult, but because she regens shields and her bubbles are extremely strong ultility. furthermore her damage output is retarded.
yes her ult is strong but it gets denied by a mercy that uses her head and has a decent pevel of awareness.
