>Valve, the Bellevue video-game company behind the popular “Counterstrike: Global Offensive” is being sued for its role in the multibillion-dollar gambling economy that has fueled the game’s popularity.
>Michael John McLeod, a Fairfield, Conn., man who has been gambling on “CS: GO” since 2014, filed a lawsuit Thursday in U.S. District Court in Connecticut alleging that Valve violated gambling laws and engaged in racketeering with a handful of offshore gambling companies.
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/technology/valve-faces-suit-over-role-in-gambling-on-video-games/
It begins.
>>342743178
>e-celeb
Are you retarded
>>342743093
Never going anywhere
>>342743093
>a Fairfield, Conn., man
>con man
nice try
It'll take a while to go anywhere and I'd imagine valve will settle.
>>342743178
>e-celeb
I'm pretty sure the guy suing them is some random guy.
>a con man is going to sue valve
You really think this will go anywhere?
>>342743093
Valve fucking deserves it. They bit the gambling bullet.
>>342743093
>faggot decides to gamble
>loses
>WOOOOOOOOW TIME TO SUE A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
Thinking about it...the entire random drop/unboxing shit feels a lot like gambling.
You pay with a key (which has a pretty exact value in real money) to open a crate and receive an item that has a random value, which you can re-exchange into money.
If that's not gambling, what is?
>>342744215
>>342743462
Are you both american? I'm curious because i notice americans have some really strange inherent despise against consumer trying to put corporations against a wall. It's that bad over there, are you all pre disposed to defend corps at all costs?
>>342744319
But the money is still inside their own system, kinda like Pachinko in Japan. Gambling is banned in Japan but Panchinko somehow is fine because you exchange tokens for prizes.
>2016 years after the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ of Nazareth
>playing CS: GO
>>342744319
That's not what this lawsuit is about.
>>342744446
It's called freedom you fucking shit skin
>>342744567
I know, but it's a rather obvious case of gambling in a game made by Valve.
I have no idea about the specifics in the case mentioned by OP.
>>342744319
In gambling you can possibly lose your entire wager. In Valve economy, you always get *something* even if it's not what you wanted.
It's just a digital version of those things you put quarters into at the grocery store, and maybe get a cool spider ring.
>>342744585
>calls someone shitskin
>merifat is filled to the brim with niggers, spics an faggots
lmao
>>342743093
Unless it's proven that Valve themselves encourage gambling, nothing will come of it.
Retards who choose to gamble with others on 3rd party sites deserve to get scammed/lose their shit.
>>342744751
>It's just a digital version of those things you put quarters into at the grocery store, and maybe get a cool spider ring.
I don't live in the US, aren't those banned over there?
At least I'd assume so considering their laws in that department.
>>342744215
http://www.inquisitr.com/2699005/teen-spends-8k-on-fifa-for-xbox-one-how-to-prevent-this-from-happening-to-you/
I'm cheering him on. DLC was the slippery slope that has led to things like EA's Ultimate Team.
With Sony trying crowd-funding, it's obvious there is no end to the greed in the videogame industry. Since they feel they are invincible, companies are doing things that would get any other industry fined by the government.
>>342744446
It has nothing to do with corporations. Americans despise irresponsible or exploitative shits who push blame onto others. These could be individuals going after a company ("I spilled coffee in my lap, pay for my suffering!" or "I wasnt paying attention and walked backwards at speed into an object and suffered no physical damage. Give me money!") or a company screwing over consumers or employees.
>>342744878
To be honest I guess I wouldn't notice if they were gone, but I've used one in at least the past few years.
>>342744446
Lobbyists have prevented consumer rights from even existing in America. When you hear about anti-trust lawsuits against billion dollar corporations, it's almost always the EU responsible.
>>342743093
This is retarded. That's like suing a tobacco company because someone is using cigarettes as an informal currency.
>>342745001
Murica's blind favoritism of the "free market" really bites you guys in the ass though. Not the corporations mind but about 90% of the population.
>>342744878
>this market has a gumball machine filled with prizes!
>CALL THE GUBMINT
Are you serious?
Gaben has LITERALLY nothing to worry about so long as gambling apps for iOS have never been sued, MMOs have never been sued for pay2gamble RNG boxes, shit even goddam stores are doing 'Mystery Deals' where you pay a dollar and get a piece of shovelware not even worth 10 cents...
blaming Gaben because RU mobsters scammed you? What a fucking retard.
I still can't believe Connecticut is an actual state. Sounds like an ISP.
I think it's a legitiment question that the courts will have to answer.
It'll be neat for gamers if Valve has to reimburse everyone who opened Crates post Marketplace. I definitely do think that shit is no different than a damn Slot Machine.
>>342744446
It has nothing to do with that. It's more about people not taking responsibility for their own actions and clogging the court system with frivolous lawsuits.
Of course that can be taken too far. People always remember the McDonald's coffee thing when they think of frivolous lawsuits, but in that case the court really did find that the coffee was too hot.
>>342745001
>"I spilled coffee in my lap, pay for my suffering!"
In that case it actually was the fault of McDonalds though, considering the lid was secured wrong and the coffee was hot enough to cause 2-3rd degree burns.
>>342745001
But that's nonsense. Just look at the kid that caused a rare gorilla to be murdered, and the kid that died at the Walt Disney World hotel lagoon.
The kid had no right to go into the gorilla enclosure, but the resort had a beach leading up to the lagoon, with no signs warning of alligators nearby.
Both were caused by the stupidity of parents, but one would be a viable lawsuit.
>>342743093
>retard puts unnecessary money on vidya
>loses because they aren't obligated to regulate anything because it isn't official
>waaaaaahhh how dare they support gambling better sue them
Muricans
>>342743093
>Michael John McLeod, a Fairfield, Conn., man
>Conn., man
>>342745001
>spilled coffee in lap
Nigga she got 3rd degree burns because they kept their coffee at 180°
>>342744878
it probably varies at an extremely local city/county level, but time-stop and quarter cascade machines are huge business all over the country. they've always been huge draws in the last remaining traditional cascades, but over the past decade they've also effectively replaced stuffed-animal claw machines in a lot of places. And/or the claw machines themselves have all started offering ridiculously big-ticket prizes (generally electronics).
>>342745286
>mixing rubber and gum
why?
Unless its an AG suing them, this isn't going anywhere.
>>342743093
Widespread gambling always was a terrible idea.
>>342744319
The same model is used in any game with a gacha system.
Usually, it's not considered gambling when it's against the ToS to exchange goods for actual currency. Digital goods are supposed to have no worth outside of the in game economy but RMT puts an arbitrary real world value on them, which is why it's such a big issue.
From what I got from the article, Valve is being accused of sending funds and support to betting sites that technically breach their ToS and directly enabling gambling, not for running a gacha.
>>342745438
>spill coffee
>don't get burned
>sue for bringing you cold coffee
It's not about the details, it's about the intention to sue for every little fucking thing to get monies.
About fucking time.
All those RNG boxes, gachapon and other pieces of gambling shit should pay proper taxes or get shut down.
>>342745001
>Americans despise irresponsible or exploitative shits who push blame onto others.
So... Valve and all of their measures put in place to shield them from gambling accusations?
oh yeah and for every $300 knife skin that goes through CS:GO there's like 10,000 assholes paying to open gambling boxes in Overwatch hoping to get the skin they want for their waifu. Who is the bigger enabler of gambling?
>>342744878
No they're still popular
Also claw machines which have been proven to only work 1 out of 20 times.
>>342743178
>e-celeb
You must be joking, right?
A video game company being sued is now considered and e-celeb topic?
Not surprised, the precedent set in the shutdown of all the e-sports betting sites, and fantasy sport leagues means that it's gonna shut this shit down, and may even shut down microtransactions in the near future, which means nothing good for gaming as companies will move on to what makes them money and stop bothering with the husk of what gaming once was.
>>342745786
>gambling taxes
ayy lmao
>>342745742
The difference is that cold coffee wouldn't cause burns. It's totally about the details because the 2nd-3rd burns is what caused her to win a settlement.
>>342745001
>I spilled coffee in my lap, pay for my suffering!
read http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
3rd degree burns. She was right to sue McDonalds
>>342745617
lawsuit baiting
>>342745918
>OP's image
Seriously though, these kinds of microtransactions are disgusting.
Even minors can get into what is basically just gambling, it's exploitive and disgusting, which are words I don't use often
Doubt this lawsuit will do anything, but regulations are needed, badly.
>>342745808
Do you know how many people play CSGO and DotA? Both companies are enablers but Valve is wayyy more invested in it. It's even spilling into third party games like KF2.
>>342745742
Had you read the case, you'd know that McDonalds was purposefully overheating the coffee and making it to higher temperatures than consumable.
Honest question, why is gambling illegal in yankeestan?
>>342745436
Don't you all stop for a second to realize corps shouldn't take advantage of people that are mentally incapable to make the right choice? For example, in Valve particular case, they are selling these games to kids. Even adults fall prey to gambling and goes on a spiral. What chance a kid/teen has? It's really not far fetched.
>>342746281
But it is legal.
>>342743178
$0.03 Steam Wallet™ funds have been deposited into your Steam™ account.
>>342746308
A kid shouldn't be playing the game in the first place. It's M rated and the kid stated that all the details he provided are true, according to the EULA.
>>342746281
It depends where. It is becoming more and more legal. It's just a matter of whose pockets it lines. That's the only reason why it's illegal some places.
For example, in NY, it's only legal where the government officials were bribed.
>>342746446
Holy fuck.
>>342745742
no, it's about megacorporations using thought-terminating-meme mind control to demonize and marginalize the idea of suing them.
>hot coffee case
but the fact is the original
>hot coffee case
was a completely legitimate action. iirc the plaintiff didn't even originally seek the exorbinant damages that were finally paid, rather the judge and others used the case to draw attention to the raceteering-tier tactics mcdonalds had employed in fighting it (such as turning it into a media spectacle and demonizing the plaintiff).
>hot coffee case
is a thought-terminating meme. it's something you say, think, to help yourself stop thinking the things you've been taught not to think.
>>342746373
My whole life I heard that playing poker for money with friends is illegal, Simpsons for one had this gag
>>342746281
it's very legal.
so is online gambling. Online Poker with real money is also legal.
But the thing is we here in burgerstan have a law about it that says that you need to be 18+ to gamble, so like with alcohol or retail porn, you need a special permit to do it.
Unless you're a native american of course.
>>342746281
The article is not about gambling but about Valve's role in it.
See >>342745735
>From what I got from the article, Valve is being accused of sending funds and support to betting sites that technically breach their ToS and directly enabling gambling, not for running a gacha.
>>342745438
dont spread disinfo fag
mcdonalds was listed at fault because they served the coffee at past boiling levels. they had previous cases where they were listed at fault for similar injuries among their staff and customer because they intentionally kept it hotter than what is considered safe.
the original court ruling between mcdonalds and coffee lady actually said mcdonalds was only partly at fault and ordered to pay part of her medical fees.
mcdonalds mishandling of the case is what caused them to get such an absurd price at the end
>>342746548
>hot coffee
Just play GTA San Andreas Hot Coffee Mod
>>342746039
OP's image is a bunch of cs gamers reacting to opening their crates.
It's an impactful image which fits his message. Does this make this thread e-celeb material?
I'm guessing you would be the same kind of person who would get upset if he posted an anime girl instead. Here, I'll give you one right now. Enjoy.
>>342743093
>going after CS:.GO instead of TF2 crates DAMN IT
>>342745286
America bans Kinder Eggs because they have a plastic capsule inside them that contains a toy, so it's no surprise he asked.
>>342746480
M rated is 17 and above. Is gambling legal at that age? Is acess to that system also rated? Is the control enough? Like i said, there's a good debate and case there. It just surprise me to how hostiles americans are when these suits happen. It's a completely legitimate legal debate to have.
>>342746660
Didn't the lady have to get fucking skin grafts on her legs because of the coffee? I'd call that fair game for lawsuits at that point easily anyways
>>342745617
...
>>342746281
A casino is in a zoned area, and people know to stay away.
Paying real money, for a chance at a digital item, in a game that you are playing in your own home, is an entirely different story. It should not exist.
Are you going to file a police report against your nine year old son for unauthorized credit card transactions tied to a game console?
>>342746480
Then do you support underage accounts being banned? Even if you did, DotA 2 has a way larger playerbase with the same gambling issue, and that isn't even rated.
DEATH TO VALVE
>>342746575
Well that's because nobody can take a cut from it, then it's illegal.
But it's not illegal the same way murder is illegal. There are regulations that allow it in the right places.
>>342746808
Gambling age is 18 in most states. 21 in big gambling states like Nevada, New Jersey, New York though
>>342745735
What I don't get about the whole crate thing is that you had people laughing at others who would spend thousands on a gacha in Granblue only for a single unit, yet they would do the same for crates and whatnot for any other game.
>CSGO will never have a scandal like the Antilla fiasco
>>342746825
Her groin was badly burned. Not even joking.
>>342746808
>>342746928
This is pure retardism
ONLINE GAMBLING IS NOT HEAVILY REGULATED, AND POLICE OFFICERS HARDLY "PROTECT AND SERVE THE LAW".
>>342746928
it's 21 in most states, 18 in very few, though some states have exceptions like betting on races being allowed at 18.
https://www.casino.org/us/guide/
>>342743093
Sometimes I feel I have missed playing good games, and I have only played a few, then I see CS:GO fags and I feel much better.
There ar enot even having fun, the usual GO discussion is full of vile.
>>342743093
Ganergate
>>342746878
no, if my nine year old was using my credit card, I wouldn't right away go cry to my local congressman. I would realize that it was my fault for letting him use my credit card, try to undo the funds.
But if your kid is stealing your credit card to post funds on steam like a dipshit then I think you have bigger problems than the justice system to deal with.
>>342746884
There's absolutely no way to regulate it except disable trading all together, or make it available in casino like zones for registered users who have to verify their age.
There will always be gambling and trading with the pretense of "oh hey I just wanted to give that dude this thing because he's my friend"
>>342745617
RULES OF NATURE
Good. Skins killed the CS:GO community. I hope Valve gets fucking wrecked over this.
>>342743093
They don't actually have much of a case. The items you get from the chests are inherently worthless, the players attach worth to them and engage in trading in an entirely unrestricted market. It'd be like suing McDonalds because some guy on the internet is buying one certain Happy Meal toy for 10k while the others are worth much less.
>>342747323
No, they gave it life. CS:GO was dead and had less than 15,000 players on the best days before skins showed up.
>>342746281
>thinks gambling is illegal in the US
>look out window
>see a giant casino the skyline
>>342746825
Yup, 8 days in the hospital. The heat could have also caused the coffee to warp the lid or cup, making it insecure.
>>342744485
Pachinko has a skill element. Someone theoretically skillful enough can hit the bucket every time.
>>342744680
That valve is enabling gambling sites because they use Steam identification service, which is like suing Google over Captcha if it is used on anything similar.
They actually missed the entire gambling part completely.
Not that is worth mentioning, but that guy admitted playing a M rated game when he was underaged. Not sure if there is anything tht can be done with that.
>>342747231
>There's absolutely no way to regulate it except disable trading all together
No that's completely wrong. You just have to disable third party sites being able to access inventories.
>There will always be gambling and trading with the pretense of "oh hey I just wanted to give that dude this thing because he's my friend"
Gambling doesn't work like "i lost the bet so now i give you the thing". People aren't going to gamble if it requires a middleman. 90% of people automatically get sketched out by middlemen.
>>342747323
this game was dead as soon as it started lmao, all it is is le skins and memes even tho biggest pro players have been outed as just guys who learned how to get away with aimbot
>>342744446
Morelike America is rife with bullshit lawsuits
Why do so many faggots gamble?
Anyone capable of basic math should realize that youre just going to loose money.
>>342747386
Incorrect. CS:GO was already slowly overtaking 1.6 in terms of playerbase. It peaked at around 50k before skins were introduced. The playerbase was alive and well.
Then skins came which brought in waves of 12 year olds, russians, streamers, and overall subhumans. A game doesn't need 500 thousand concurrent fucking players to be alive.
>>342747684
People know that most people lose, but the thing is they also hope that they aren't most people. They hope that they'll be the ones who win.
People who are addicted to gambling crave the rush of uncertainty before they find out they won or lost, too.
>>342747323
CS:GO itself killed counter strike.
The skins just helped killing it faster.
>>342747386
>they gave it life
>kids, memesters and streamers
Is that the life you want?
>>342747684
Because it's fun
>>342747619
This. I thought it was really strange when there was a sudden spike in interest. I remember when CSGO came out everyone was laughing about how CSS and 1.6 are still relevant.
>>342747928
As opposed to the game shutting down because virtually no one plays it and it's not worth supporting? Yeah, i'll take them, just don't join the same servers as them, not a difficult concept.
>>342747323
Skins saved the game.
>>342747619
I mean what you said is true, but it is far from dead. It's been the second largest game on Steam for years and one of the largest shooters in the world.
>>342748080
by turning the community into shit
Serves them right at this point. The sales have been shit for a few years now, they're never going to make another game, and they've pretty much killed trading as it is by requiring this stupid authenticator & consistent, daily use or else they put multi-day holds on your trades. Selling fucking -cards- takes 15days without it, which means if you didn't have the auth on before this sale started, you're stuck with your cards and can't sell them before they poof. That's not to mention the Trade holds, no matter what level you are, how old your account is, or how long you've been friends with the tradee.
And I won't even get started on the shitfest that the store is these days, with meme games everywhere, lazy asset flips charging a premium, and a laundry list of other things that've made their store complete shit.
Bad decisions left and right have put them where they are today.
>>342748068
So that's all you think it's possible. Kids and memes or death? They got you my friend, you now accept that as standard.
>>342747710
Fucking Russia and China should just be blocked from global internet. They clearly do not know how to interact with the rest of the internet world.
>Most scams come out of those countries
>reselling stolen copies is commonplace
>>342746825
yes
and mcdonalds was ordered to pay 80% of the final compensation since the lady spilled it on herself and was partly at fault herself.
so 80% of the 200,000 final compensation, mcdonals payed her $160,000
the jurors then added punitive damages of 2.7 million on top of that.
the judge said fuck that noise though and reduced the punitive damage to 480k.
mcdonalds came out of it with a 640k bill to the old lady, which they didnt even pay because they started the appeal spam process and forced in a settlement for less than 600k.
mcdonalds got off easy.
>>342743093
I hope Valve loses.
>>342748454
Sadly noone will piss off their future chinese overlords. China's always been the bootleg capital of the world, yet what does 80% of everything we have say? "Made in China."
>>342746825
Yeah, and originally the only thing she was asking for in compensation was for her hospital bills to be covered.
McDonald's representative basically answered "fuck you" and then there was an escalation from lawyers. Necessarily too for due process.
The urban legend around that case, and the realities of it when you do check are incredibly different.
>>342748080
By introducing hordes of retards who'd rather gamble on weapon skins than play a good game.
>>342747056
my online poker got banned because some faggot stuck it onto a water bill and it passed purely due to that.
>>342748541
Valve's not going to lose this or they should have the most retarded lawyers of all time.
>>342748613
Don't worry, China is a bubble ready (~15-50 years) to pop.
>>342748454
>Most scams come out of those countries
I remember being up one night and checking prices on Amazon, of games I wanted to buy. An affiliated seller that was located in China had items listed for 1/8th of their retail cost, new.
Since it said fulfilled by Amazon, I went nuts attempting to order $1,000 of merchandise with a street value of $8,000. Almost instantly, Amazon started blocking the items from the checkout process and removed the seller entirely.
>>342748904
But I certainly hope it hoped the doors to the necessity of government regulations on the practice.
>>342745617
kicks
>>342743093
they all look like inbred normie filth. i hope the obsession with skeenz fucking ruins them all. god bless valve. its literally only appealing to playground-mentality bandwagon-jumping douchebags. anyone that thinks its exciting to get a crate deserves to be shot.
>>342748089
its not really competitive though, like really i mean the only competition there seems to be is like the competition of "who can get away with aimbotting better"
>>342746806
The point was the absurd infeasability of enforcing such a ban.
>>342747218
To be fair, parents are irresponsible shits. I was ringing a woman up for a purchase and she made a comment to her son about having to cancel a card because he blew a bunch on store shit. No moderation, no responsibility taken. Just dump that shit on the credit card issuer.
>>342745808
Overwatch boxes aren't gambling because the skins have no redeemable value.
The fact that CSGO crates contain saleable items is the problem.
>>342749980
So we can all agree that the problem here is lack of personal responsibility and trash unfit to be parents siring children.
>>342747684
People get off to uncertainty.
>>342750010
Technically CS:GO skins have no value besides what players assign to them. Valve sets no bottom price, it's all up to supply:demand and availability. If someone wishes to pay 100k for a skin, that's their fault, not Valve's. It's a legally gray area but it's not quite gambling. If Valve just flat out gave a ton of money away, that'd be different.
>>342744446
Kill yourself GOG shill. GOG is the cancer killing PC gaming. Steam is our only chance of survival.
>>342750773
Steam used to be. Now they're the cancer, but noone will abandon their library.
"You either die young, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
>>342744797
whatever you say Achmed
>>342750773
What's wrong with gog?
>>342750486
On that particular thread, yes. But expand that to this whole thread and you get trash unfit to be participants in an efficient society.
>valve makes cs:go skins
>another site not related to valve turns it into gambling
>valve is the one getting sued
>>342744215
Billion*
>>342743093
>Gambling guy sues company for gambling
This is so stupid man
>>342751381
Frivolous lawshitters always go for the one with the most money
>multibillion-dollar gambling economy
citation needed
>>342746281
>why is gambling illegal in yankeestan?
>Have whole cities dedicated to gambling
>>342752253
Its only bad if the people do it
Blizzard probably slipped a note to their jew lawyers about the crate system they stole and how Valve is addicting kids to gambling. Nevermind that Blizzard has literally murdered hundreds of people with WoW addiction.
>>342752583
>b-but blizzard
valvecucks on suicide watch
>>342743093
game of skill. not gambling.
>>342752353
It's bad when it's unsupervised and the company rips off the customers, many of whom are children.
>>342752583
>Blizzard
The only people in a "Cornered Mouse" position in Riot, who have finally both peaked AND have no other successful title to hang on to.
And they would faster attack blizzard than Valve.
>>342751381
Basically this. If it wasn't Valve and therefore gaming related, you'd never hear about this because it's such an asinine lawsuit.
>>342746281
Cool, fun fact: Here in Louisiana, we get a bit of fame for the river boats and such. You know why those exist in the first place? Zoning laws for casinos and stuff were in effect, so you couldn't build them on land in the area, but no one said you couldn't put it on a boat and then dock it next to the land you wanted to build on. Fuck yeah, loopholes.
>>342752829
Nobody is forcing them to "gamble". You get no advantage whatsoever for giving valve money to open crates and "gamble"
>>342752583
What did they steal the crate system from? Overwatch's loot thing doesn't work like anything in Valve games.
>>342752978
Are casinos forcing you to gamble? What kind of an argument is that?
>>342752978
Let's put cigars available for childrens as well. I mean, no one is forcing them to smoke it.
Valve themselves weren't actually involved in gambling though, right? So it's fucking stupid to sue them for it.
>>342743093
>betting with virtual goods
>company allows those goods to serve as chips on independent websites
>Players can redeem their winnings for cash through other independent websites.
I never heard of this before. Valve actually has a pachinko economy going?
>>342752978
>You get no advantage whatsoever for giving valve money to open crates and "gamble"
Except you can potentially get digital items worth hundreds or sometimes even thousands of dollars out of it, and there are enough unofficial websites to trade so you don't have to get that money as steam credit.
>It's illegal to have people gamble
Home of the """"FREE""""
>>342744446
>18 fucking years old at least
>still falling for the "get quick rich by gambling" meme
>the same fucking piece of common sense knowledge that has gone back for centuries
400 dollars for a FUCKING TEXTURE.
>literal illiterate fucking retards in this thread thinking this is about the crates
it's about shitty shady csgo gambling sites
>>342753459
Valve has nothing to do with those sites. The lawsuit is targeted at Valve instead of those sites as well, so it's even more stupid.
>>342753424
>400dollars for a fucking texture
Let me correct you
>400 united states of american dollars for a fucking texture that you can mod and use with no chance of you getting banned ever
>>342748904
They won't win a case were minors are involved into unlawful gambling.
>>342753413
Isn't Europe the reason Pokemon doesn't have slot machines anymore?
Fuck them.
>>342745617
>>342745617
Like Russian roulette. Buy one, pop one in your mouth, chew. You never know until it hits you which it is ... Its the danger of it that create excitement.
>>342753879
The crates themselves aren't illegal and Valve has no affiliation with the sites. There's no way this does anything to them at all.
>>342753764
It's the people, anon. They're so desperate for attention and validation that they spend their welfare bux on this shit so people will notice their senpai guns and think they're cool for having it.
>>342753879
See >>342753459 and >>342753589
>>342753879
the case doesn't have anything to do with valve, valve is totally and literally un-involved. the case will get thrown out for wasting everyones time and money
>>342743093
Wouldn't it be cool if this guy sued Valve and won, Valve had to pay him 900 billion dollars and went out of business and you all lost all your "LOL STEEM STEEM" games because of that?
Thank fucking god they're finally waking up and going after the hats bullshit. I'm ashamed to say I actually spent over $2000 on hats, and I'm not even a richfag. I know I won't get my money back, but at least someone is putting a stop to it.
>>342754127
There's literally no way that Valve will be required to pay that much money.
>>342754336
Ignore him, he's trying to start some console war bullshit while he's obliviously unaware that the industry is slowly but surely pushing the digital model.
>>342747527
Playing a game that's rated M while you're underage isn't illegal.
>>342754567
This, even physical console games are risk of becoming literally unplayable through updates
Too little, too late
>>342754331
so you blame valve for being retarded ?
>>342754567
Wrong. I am trying to get the average consumer, i.e. YOU, to reject the digital model by forcing a digital apocalypse by which billions of digital games are all lost at once so that people will snap out of their trance and realize digital games with DRM destroy their capability to play the game indefinitely.
>>342754896
They're to be blamed for allowing it to happen in the first place, yes.
>>342754957
Physical media degrades infinitely faster than digital media. DRM never sticks for long. Physical media is so much more limited than digital because of updates and such. Next?
>mfw I only spent a total of $5 on boxes on F2P TF2 just because I had to in order to trade
Opened them, got nothing and never spent money again. People made fun of me all the time because I got the regular generic versions of the guns instead of the pretty ones with colored texts. I never gave a fuck.
>>342755185
>Physical media degrades infinitely faster than digital media.
No, because you rip the physical media and turn it into digital media. It's only physical for the first distribution.
>DRM never sticks for long.
Enjoy finding cracks for your steam library in 20 years. SPOILERS: YOU WONT BE ABLE TO
>Physical media is so much more limited than digital because of updates and such
Updates are demonic and should not exist. Release a finished product you fucks.
>>342744446
It's a joke because he's from Connecticut which is abbreviated as Conn.
>>342744319
>If that's not gambling, what is?
fucking your mother without a condom
>>342755390
You do realize that it has to be digital before it can become physical, right?
Every DRM gets cracked, it's only a matter of time. Pretending otherwise is fearmongering.
Updates are demonic? What about releasing free DLC like The Witcher 3 for instance> Still demonic? You're a fucking idiot.
Here's how the world Karma system makes you pay for your gifts.
With Console games, you gain supremely memorable and beautiful experiences, but the hidden cost becomes their ephemeral nature. Unlike PC games, you cannot play them on newer hardware with some exceptions for BC and re-releases. If you decide to try to subvert this rule through emulation, your mind slowly hollows out in sorrow as you become more and more of a recluse, in effect trading your real life for the ability to re-experience the great experiences of the past.
With PC games, you will largely be able to find a way to run older games on your new PC hardware, but will not be offered a stunning, memorable experience--more often the types of games will be more administrative in nature, grand strategy or RTS or the like, which are fun, but offer no true beauty.
However, that was before generation 7, where the number of people using emulators hit a dangerous threshold and had a third ill effect, hollowing out the console space itself, and turning it into almost a carbon copy of the PC space. Too many people were choosing the free ride--the old over the new, the memory over the reality. Now there is little difference in the experience you may receive on console or PC, and the number of truly beautiful and memorable experiences has declined with the hollowing process.
Who knows what new effects the world Karma system will impose upon the arenas of video games as we move through generation 8?
>>342754957
Convenience>>>>all
The industry (Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft included) are pushing the digital model because it's more profitable.
The average consumer will eat that shit because it's more convenient, they don't need to go out and all.
The only reason steam got this big was because of convenience, people didn't want to deal with stuff like intrusive DRM or finding a safe crack while you could just buy the game and install it in a few click.
>>342755390
>Enjoy finding cracks for your steam library in 20 years. SPOILERS: YOU WONT BE ABLE TO
But you already can?
Though I have no objections to getting all of my hat money back, I really don't see it going to a class action.
>>342755874
>games will be more administrative in nature, grand strategy or RTS or the like, which are fun, but offer no true beauty.
Get the fuck out of here
If that fantasy football shit it still legal, so is this.
>>342743093
Not going to amount to anything.
You don't Gamble in CS:GO, you gamble with 3rd party websites.
>>342755874
RTS is a dead genre and sadly Paradox reign supreme in the Grand Strategy genre.
>>342746806
Kinder eggs and the like actually aren't banned anymore. Walmart sells shit like it all the time now.
>>342755802
>You do realize that it has to be digital before it can become physical, right?
The physical medium is just an excuse so that they don't put DRM on it
>Every DRM gets cracked, it's only a matter of time. Pretending otherwise is fearmongering.
You will not be able to find cracks for random obscure games you have on steam right now in 20 years. The cracks will no longer be hosted anywhere on the Internet.
>Updates are demonic? What about releasing free DLC like The Witcher 3 for instance> Still demonic?
Yes, because I want a finished product at release, not an incomplete one.
>>342755930
>But you already can?
Do you have a crack for every Steam game you own already downloaded and stored on your HDD? If so, why did you even buy the games in the first place?
>>342756235
>Do you have a crack for every Steam game you own already downloaded and stored on your HDD?
No but I can still easily find crack for games that were released 20 years ago, I'm sure I'll be fine.
>>342756235
>why did you even buy the games in the first place?
Because I like those games and I want the devs to survive so they can release more of those games?
>>342755874
>Who knows what new effects the world Karma system will impose upon the arenas of video games as we move through generation 8?
Wait 4 years into a gen to buy a console or else they'll release one with actual updated specs which will cause the later half of the gen's games to run like shit on your machine as devs target the updated iteration and leave you in 17 fps land
>>342756626
>No but I can still easily find crack for games that were released 20 years ago, I'm sure I'll be fine.
Maybe if you don't have any indieshit in your Steam library. Sure you can find the big games 20 years later but good luck finding Ghost or even Elminage Gothic or the like
>>342756235
>The cracks will no longer be hosted anywhere on the Internet.
Do you actually believe that?
>>342755174
They didn't force you to buy the hats, didn't they?
>>342756235
They do put DRM on physical games, you fucking idiot. Steam is such a big market that, should it ever go down, there's no doubt in my mind that people will find a way to crack the system. Hell, you can already bypass the DRM on most games out there.
And now free updates are bad? Not bugfixes, just free extra content. You can't put everything in a game at the start, things will have to come after it at some point. You're a fearmongering idiot who thinks that we're better off technologically in the 90s.
>>342755874
Normalfags emulate all of the time. It's so simple even a monkey can do it. People emulate on their phones and shit, my man.
>>342755278
>try gambling
>realize you got ripped off
>never do it again
sounds about right. the only reason they make fun of ya is because they're deluding themselves into thinking they didn't waste money
>>342744797
dont argue with american retards , they are almost all uneducated pieces of shit , if it weren't for smart immigrantes (chineses indians in MIT etc..) their country would be shit
>>342748461
>mcdonalds came out of it with a 640k bill to the old lady, which they didnt even pay because they started the appeal spam process and forced in a settlement for less than 600k.
fucking why
640k is a drop in the bucket for them, they could lose 640k every day for a year and they probably wouldn't notice
God I hate corporations
>>342756912
Given I can't even find a cracked ver of Divinity II and that game is only 6 years old, yes. Only stuff like GTA5 will persist in cracked versions forever. Lesser games will disappear.
>They do put DRM on physical games, you fucking idiot.
Not on consoles ;)
>And now free updates are bad? Not bugfixes, just free extra content.
Yes, because they mean you did not get the real game at the release.
>You can't put everything in a game at the start, things will have to come after it at some point.
Apparently you didn't play console games from 1979 to 2005
>You're a fearmongering idiot who thinks that we're better off technologically in the 90s.
Technologically? No. Experientially and in game quality, yes, unquestionably.
>>342756910
I can already find obscure game from 20 years ago, why do you think it won't be the case anymore?
>Ghost or even Elminage Gothic
Found them in a few seconds, why do you think the crack will suddenly disappear forever and ever? And even if they do why do you think people won't make a new one and the devs will give away the game for free?
>>342757387
That's funny as fuck, coming from the person who cannot spell nor capitalize properly.
Consider the following: kill yourself.
>>342757343
Well he did say
>However, that was before generation 7, where the number of people using emulators hit a dangerous threshold
>>342757589
I stopped reading after the bullshit in the first paragraph.
>>342757454
>can't find cracked version of Divinity II
It took all of 10 seconds on kat.cr to find at least 2 results. Have you ever considered that you have a defect?
Kender Eggs themselves are still banned. The brands you see use a loophole that allow the eggs as long as the plastic is visible.
>>342757478
>>342757478
Because there are just too many games for every one to be reuploaded continuously now and eternally. Some games will just be neglected and forgotten, and some may be ones you enjoyed.
>>342757725
>Using torrents
Enjoy your 3 strikes and shut down Internets
>>342757454
>I can't even find a cracked ver of Divinity II
You REALLY need to try harder.
>Kid with gambling problem files lawsuit alleging Valve violated gambling laws by giving sites that are actually violating gambling laws the same exact development tools and access to APIs that they give to every single other website
Boring. Call me in five years if something interesting happens with this case.
>>342757941
>Using torrents
Enjoy your 3 strikes and shut down Internets
>>342757906
>you can't find cracks of games
>torrents don't count either!
Any retard can set up a proxy to torrent. I've been doing it for years and got a letter once when I left a popular movie seeding over the weekend and that's it. It's time to get with the times, grandpa.
>>342757906
>Enjoy your 3 strikes and shut down Internets
My country was the very first one to enforce this and it doesn't fucking work. The governement is even on it's way to do away with it.
>>342758106
>Any retard can set up a proxy to torrent.
No they cannot. Proxies are either too slow to be tolerable for downloading or cost money to use.
>Paying to pirate
>>342757906
>>342758008
>living in a country that allows ISPs to do this without a court order
Smells like freedom!
>>342758324
>Being able to choose what country you're born in
>>342758308
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to properly torrent things. Maybe digital media really is too hard for you.
>>342758425
>born in = living in
Fuck so from now on I should start pirating or buying physical copies just in case valve goes down the drain?
>>342758528
In order to move to another country you must be an upstanding corporate slave with no time to play video games and on 24/7 call to his workplace with his mobile slave summoning device
>>342758008
>Enjoy your 3 strikes and shut down Internets
Thanks for the laugh.
>>342758652
Society is a false artifice designed by sociopaths for the better exploitation of their workers. Nature demands we follow the natural doctrine of eternal and unending conflict and struggle.
>>342758008
>>342758107
Correction, they got rid of it in 2013 because the government decided that having an internet connection was a fundamental right.
>>342758308
>Proxies are either too slow to be tolerable for downloading
You aware that even a slow proxy will download faster than a console?
>>342758632
See >>342753459 and >>342753589
>>342758008
>3 strikes
This is not baseball, ive been using torrents for a decade with no issues.... maybe if you live in burgerland when baseball leagues needs a money cut from your isp.....
you know.
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>>342758827
>You aware that even a slow proxy will download faster than a console?
Who said anything about downloading shit on a console?
>>342758868
Enjoy your economic collapse due to Britain exiting the EU, eurofag
>>342758930
Sorry I mistook you for a console war faggot when you're just a digital hater.
In this case you'll have to define what is too slow for you.
>>342745185
Or like suing gun manufacturers for murders.... OH WAIT.
>>342758632
You should've been pirating from the beginning.
>>342759124
Every proxy I've ever tried has been like 50 kbps tier shit.
>>342759061
britan was not part of the EU in the begining, so they didnt belong to it.
And its for the better, let that islands of inbreed goblins blow themselves with all the mohamed invasion.
>This generation will never play a game with an actual good story instead of just "Hurrr durrr mankind is evil! The main character is his waifu's father from another dimension zomg so twist"
>This generation will never play a game with good controls and game play, instead all games are now clunky garbage with auto-aim
>This generation will never play a game with good level design, instead all games are either straight lines to the end or open world with meaningless and totally inconsequential areas thrown together with no rhyme or reason
>This is the generation will never know what it's like to genuinely get lost in a game. "Oh, I'm stuck? TIEM 4 A PEWDIEPIE WALKTHROUGH xDDD"
Frivolous litigation.
>>342759424
You forgot.
>This generation will never look about any information in game magazines
The real issue is Valve is facilitating a gambling environment that kids can freely participate in.
>>342759292
Considering that you couldn't even find a crack for Divinity 2 by yourself, it's hard to believe you.
>>342757414
Because she was willing to settle and didn't actually want all that money.
>>342759676
Kids can buy dice or a pack of cards
>>342759184
Have fun dealing with botnet and bitcoin miner.
>>342759817
I already told you, torrents do not count. You cannot safely use a torrent in burgerland without using a proxy, which are too damn slow. SAVE US EUROPE WE ARE UNDER TYRANNY
>>342759842
what is "MOOOOOOOOOOOOM"
More in this days...
>>342759842
Those are individual games. These are gambling sites that allow kids to participate.
Selling CS:GO to a kid isn't bad (although it can be if you consider ESRB.) But letting them gamble on third party websites is. Neopets got hit with this too.
>>342759957
Steam already contains both
>>342760063
[citation needed]
>>342745617
>rubber and gum
>>342760063
[citation needed]
>>342750903
Tell me, what has changed that makes steam the villain?
>>342759961
Can you just steal other people wifi and torrent it there? or go to a burger king with free wifi???
>not antony burch
checked
>not american
checked
Feels good.
Now... bullshit aside, you know that there is more than torrents, some people upload the shit to mega or other places, if you look for it.
>>342743093
This isn't going to go anywhere. The prosecutor barely has a case. Any betting that happens is entirely done by the players, Valve has no hand it in that. I mean, you wouldn't sue the NFL because people bet on the outcome of the superbowl, would you?
>>342743093
People gambled in CS:GO? Like bet on what team will win or something? How is that illegal?
>>342760201
>>342760142
Look at these Gabenogers
>>342759961
>You cannot safely use a torrent in burgerland without using a proxy
The fuck is this shit?
