This game is actually phenomenon. I can't believe I almost listened to you man-children
It sure is a phenomenon, in the sense that's it's a true fucking wonder how so many people have such adulation for uninspired mediocrity.
>>342741845
Jesus, you autists have such ridiculously high standards for some reason. What do you want from a game?
It's not shit. It's boring.
>>342742108
Welcome to /v/ where everyone hates any game that's appealing to a more casual market.
Fallout 4 isn't bad, but its really watered down from what New Vegas/3 was. Settlements are fun though.
>>342742108
>What do you want from a game?
Not being shit.
>>342742165
>>342742272
I can almost taste the autism from these posters
>>342742424
But I thought NV was complete shit. Buggy terrible gunplay and graphics. Having 20 different possible endings doesn't make a game good
IMO the map, gunplay and crafting is way, way better in 4 and the story and characters are way, way better in NV. As I'm not a blubbering manchild that thinks stories in videogames are anywhere close to other mediums, I prefer 4
Reminder.
>>342741354
It's okay. The black minuteman shit was retarded. But I like that you can use an iPad as your pup boy for map in inventors. Sadly this would have been great on Wiiu.
>>342742108
Ikr, standards are for chumps
>>342742064
>>342742165
>>342742272
>>342742625
>he wants to be barneyfag
>>342742753
>Bethesda's Bloatation engine running on the Wii U
>>342742676
Compared to fallout 4 it is the best game ever
>>342742676
Weak b8
>>342742805
Too true
>>342742750
what about the graphics? I think it's one of the best looking games out there. Compare that to piss-filter glitch fest jerky animations that is NV. It's not even a comparison. It's such a polished game compare to NV.
>>342742446
This sums up the autismal arguments against the game.
>>342743271
>>342743017
>>342742990
You know I'm right though.
>>342741845
Do I really need to explain this yet again? I feel like I'm wasting my breath since you cretins never seem to take any efforts to absorb this. Oh well, here goes. Fallout 4 brought back the original post-apoc RPG SHOOTER (notice the emphasis) that made the series famous from since Fallout 3, the original. New Vegas had multiple aspects I just felt weren't really "in line" with the fallout lore in general. Alot of what made Fallout 4 such a relief was it's return to what Fallout was meant to be, like the setting (east coast) and the character building and whatnot. New Vegas gave me more of a barren desert vibe, along with its overly complicated skill systems and dialogue, it made me feel it was more intended for adults rather than the game's target audience. Overall, I think we're all grateful that Bethesda stuck with the lore rather than making a game with blatant ignorance of the prior ones (cough, cough, obsidian) and that Fallout 4 will go down as the greatest Fallout game (next to 3, of course).
As an RPG it's pretty shitty, but it's a fantastic post apocalyptic shooter looter. The gun play feels so much better than 3/NV its insane.
>>342742108
Well, when the game gets hyped to hell and back and then ends up being LITERALLY oblivion with guns then there is plenty to be upset about. Bethesda doesn't even try any more, they know fanboy faggots like yourself with eat up whatever abomination they whip up next.
Yeah.. /v/ hating it is a textbook case of being contrarian to be cool.
>>342742752
What was his name again?
>>342743336
Someone spent the time to create that when they couldn't find an actual screenshot to support that meme. Pretty sad.
>>342741354
Fuck you op, you know what i bought this game recently thinking /v/ was just being typical /v/. Boy was I in for a surprise this game sucks dick. The AI is terrible to the point were i cried, the game is poorly optimised on the ps4(constant lag), and above all pic related.
>>342743356
It's not even an RPG. It's a shooter with shit level design. The gunplay is decent but I'd rather just play DOOM. Also the dialgoue choices are fucking pathetic and might as well not even exist. It's impossible to roleplay. It's worse than fucking Mass Effect and it's color coded responses.
>>342743478
Fuck off Furious Fernando.
>>342742676
>>342743131
Keep it coming guys, this is hilarious
>>342743131
yeah it's a pretty wrapper for an empty game.
>>342743729
>>342743336
Please tell me this isn't real
>>342742409
It is both shit and boring.
>>342744015
Its completely real, its done with a pc mod that tells you exactly what your going to say instead of the "yes, "no", or "maybe" that they use to hide this
>>342744185
>>342742108
To improve from it's predecessors and not just finding ways to simply and casualise an already simplified F3, with a complete lack of storytelling ability, choices or character.
>>342744015
It's not real. They modded the game to make it look like how they want to accuse it of being.
>there are no choices!
>look at this screenshot of the game where i modded out all the choices!
>>omg, he's right! there's no choices!
It's not a good game by any margin, I did all the quests and while a few of them were pretty interesting the vast majority was just bland and uninteresting.
>>342744185
If Fallout 3 didn't come out then we wouldn't have gotten New Vegas, which is objectively at least on par with Fallout 1 & 2.
>>342744519
If someone besides Bethesda had bought the Fallout license we could have gotten multiple New Vegases.
Think about that.
>>342744504
You fucking idiot all the mod does is tell you what your going to say instead of the "yes, no, maybe, ssarcastic"
i wonder who could be behind this thread
>>342744504
>Thinks the Bethesda modding community has time between titty and texture mods to make a mod that makes the game worse
No, the game is just bad. Deal with it. Todd is 5'3.
>>342744610
Ugh, that's upsetting. Stop that.
>>342744610
Sure, but someone also could have bought the licence and let it lie dormant forever, or managed to put out an even worse game than Bethesda's Fallout 3 and not have the benefit of spawning a 9/10 offshoot.
Meanwhile, in the catalog...
>>342744675
As the modder saw it, sure. Too bad that doesn't sync with reality though.
>>342742409
>Hamil will never play Elijah on the bug screen
>all this focus on settlement building
>it's boring as fuck unless you're 14 or autistic
I can already see "Elder's Scrolls VI: Build 10 Forts" edition coming.
>>342744720
Alright. Name some quests where that's the only option. Go on, I'll wait.
it is very mediocre
>>342745782
You think he went through and interpreted every single line of dialogue to do this? It just references some file, you dingus.
it's worth it 30 $?
>>342745236
>Fallout EA
>>342741354
Gameplay has not improve since 2008. That's 8 fucking years ago.
>>342746715
Gameplay has gotten worse since 1998. That's 18 fucking years ago.
>>342742108
Fallout 4 is a downgrade to NV in literally every way but graphics. We're not being picky, it's objectively bad.
>>342746432
Bullshit, it was done to make a point and a fallacious one at that. Most quests had multiple paths of solving and multiple endings.
Take "Duty or Dishonor." You could've found out it was Clarke multiple ways, and when confronting him there's a ton of ways it plays out. You could kill him, sure. Or agree with him and lie to cover for him. Or disagree with him and have him stop feeding the ghouls and still lie to cover for him. Or kill the ghouls and still lie. Or get him to turn himself in. Or convince him to run. Or have the Brotherhood wipe out the nest. Or... etc.
But that doesn't get posted. Just one image of a modded response file because you faggots can't even find something in game to support your bullshit narrative.
>>342744504
Did you even play the fucking game? This shit happens all the time. Even if the choices are worded differently, you'll get the exact same response, even when it doesn't make sense. This even happens at the very beginning of the game when you're talking to Codsworth. It happens during the main faction quests. Stop making excuses for this bullshit.
>>342746601
This, I came here to read if it's worth buying on this sale.
And if it isn't, what should I buy instead?
>>342746601
>>342747116
It's not. Believe me, I'm a big fan of all the previous Bethesda open world games and I can't even play this shit for 10 minutes without getting bored and wanting to play something else. There is nothing engaging about it and you'll be running into frustrating bugs/design choices around every corner.
>>342744310
>To improve from it's predecessors
But it literally did this though, at least in some regards. The gunplay is objectively superior, crafting guns offers for more variety than crafting bullets, the quick loot system is great, the build in companion interactivity is great, obviously the graphics are much better.
Don't be a faggot. FO4 is a terrible Fallout game but there's a lot that it improved upon compared to FO3.
>>342747067
Except you still don't have an example. I just posted one proving you're full of shit:
>>342746945
But hey, have another. Remember "The Big Dig"? Lots of ways to progress that quest too. How did you bust him out of jail? Either way, let's jump to the multiple ending. You could stick with Bobbi after the double cross and kill Farenheit which opens up a new quest with Hancock down the road, or you could double-double cross Bobbi and take her out with Farenheit. Or you could talk Bobbi out of the situation entirely and leave.
But yeah, those are all the same exact answers right? Faggot.
>>342742064
>waifu generator
But Fallout 4 only had one waifu.
>>342741354
i wonder whos behind this post
>>342743602
Joe Vargas, he's known as angry joe on the net. He's a reviewer amd let's player on YouTube and his own site angryjoeshow.com
>>342747389
>Except you still don't have an example
I just gave you a fucking example. Talk to Codsworth at the beginning of the game. No matter what you say he gives the same responses.
>>342746945
Fuck you I spent 5+ hours figuring out what to do to fuck Curie JUST so I could have a fun line when signing up with the brotherhood of steel. and I still got my 4 options as 'Lolno, Heheno, Ew no, and Not gunna answer'. This was not a one time event either. That will forever solidify my hatred for the dialogue in this game, though, even if I enjoyed the rest of it. You're on-rails to always end up the same way for 'muh storytelling experience' You can like something and still admit it has flaws bro
>>342746601
The question you should be asking: Is it worth your time?
>>342743478
>overly complicated skills system and dialogue
>Fallout NV or even Fallout 3
Do you have trouble blinking and breathing too?
>>342747590
...how is that a quest?
>the first NPC encountered in the game that directs you to start the main quest of the game ALWAYS gives you directions on how to start the main quest!
Well fucking obviously. Did you figure they should include a block where if you don't ask him right the main quest never triggers and you miss it entirely? How about if Doc Mitchell had a dialogue that made you forget you were shot and never chase Benny, retard?
Do the minutemen quests ever stop?
I hate this guy so fucking much
>>342747905
send him to a far away settlement you never visit
>>342747650
Again, how is that a quest?
>We'd like you to join the brotherhood
>>yes
>>no
>>let me get back to you
Either you want to join them or you don't. But your beef is... that you don't sit there lecturing Danse about the hot Synth puss you're pulling in when he makes the offer?
You understand that you could still join and then pointedly undermine the Brotherhood's efforts from within, right? That there are NUMEROUS pro-Synth options in every Brotherhood quest, right?
No, you didn't. Because the actual line of dialogue when it comes time to join didn't have enough... twists and turns? I guess?
>>342747825
He gives you the exact same response no matter which option you choose. There is a part where he mentions how long you were gone and you can change the subject but he responds as if you were asking him to elaborate.
The best experience I've gotten out of this so far is turn it into survival wildland/horror as best you can. Modding it with survival mode in mind:
>camping
>darker nights
>critical outside of VATS
>Alt Start mods
Then it feels like you have more control over yourself and it is much more challenging.
It's still really dull though.
>>342742064
>THIS GAME IS SHIT!
>THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVER!
>THERE IS NO DEBATING THIS THAT THIS GAME IS GARBAGE!
>Doesn't say why
I agree that FO4 is trash but this image is equally trash.
>>342748242
Yeah, the very first NPC you encounter does have to offer some exposition for you. Like you HAVE to find out it's been 200 years.
I know, it's frustrating. He makes you aware of the year. Then he makes you aware of where the main quest is started. Fuck this game for forcing you to know the broadest most basic framework of what's going on at the outset.
>>342747905
No. No they do not. Don't listen to any "I have a new assignment for you" lies. Minutemen, BoS, Institute, or anyone else. It's all a waste of time.
>>342747905
All of the factions have an infinite supply of radiant quests. It's just that most of them are a lot easier to avoid than Preston, who wanders around what's probably your main settlement like he's hunting you down to give another one to.
>Is fallout 4 a decent game?
yes
>Is it perfect?
no
>Fallout 1&2 were better!
yes they were.
>New Vegas was the best in the series!
no that was the original game
>Look at all of Bethesda's plot holes!
lets not forget the dumb bullshit from the first 2 games like how almost all the radiation from Hiroshima is gone and the area around Chernobyl is getting marginally better yet The Glow exists. Or Fallout 2's plot which revolves around you stopping the Enclave from using a modified FEV strain from killing all people on earth when even though the modified FEV only targets the FEV strain in the DNA of the people in California which they got from contaminated water,soil and diffusion of particles in the air. The FEV only existed in two places (at the time DC doesnt count yet) and that was the Mariposa base and The Glow so people from say Texas would not be affected by the Enclave super virus because the Virus has no FEV strand to attack.
>Radiation dumbass.
mutations from radiation result in one of three thing cancer, horrible birth defects that would kill a child without proper medical care, and the average mutation that people already have.
>The Enclave could just make the FEV target mutations in the DNA
all human beings have mutation or another if the Enclave did that then they would be retarded because they would be killing themselves.
>>342749073
>>Fallout 1&2 were better!
>yes they were.
>>New Vegas was the best in the series!
>no that was the original game
Thank you.
>reminder Bethesda implies that Ayy lmaos caused The Great War
>people buy bethesda games
For what purpose?
Let me tell you fucking neckbeards something right quick!!'n
You leave Preston Garvey out of this.
He is a god damn great American
He puts up with the Sole Survivor stumbling along trying to find his 75 year old son. He puts up with Marcys Crazy ass and her dude whinnying like god damn night club victims.
Plus twice a week him and Sturgess get jacked out on fucking Jet and run a tag team back again on that Crazy old bitch.
He's a saint god dammit
Saint.
Love Fallout 4
Minutemen for Life!!!!!!!!
>>342747905
>Put him in a dress and a greaser wig
>Send him to Murkwater Construction
job done
>>342742108
>"Fallout 4 is my first Fallout game. Please rape my face"
>>342749242
>Bethesda put aliens in muh Fallout
You can always tell people who didn't play the originals by shit like this.
There are these moments where I get really pumped to play it
>yeah I'm gonna craft out my guns and get displays all set up and go hunting and see the world and...
20 minutes later
>bored to shit
>exit game
>>342749404
I didn't say that you retard.
>>342742424
>>342742676
This.
It's funny that most people are like HURR GAMEPLAY IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN STORY, but then suck new vegas's dick for having shit gameplay but a good story.
Fallout 4 is a much better game than New Vegas with a mediocre but serviceable story.
While it plays like an average shooter, it's still better than New Vegas's Unity Asset store shooter gameplay.
>>342749468
to me fair this is more of a personal issue than the game's I just am trying to figure out why I am getting to quickly bored of it. Something is just not gripping me tight enough or stringing me along enough to keep pushing forward. Suffers from "good enough" syndrome.
Maybe it suffers ultimately from being the latest title in a rather long on-going franchise. It has to be compared to all the other iterations before it.
>>342741354
>phenomenon
do do dododo
>>342749495
No, but you're blaming plot devices that were there from the beginning on Bethesda.
>>342747301
Basically if you like RPGs you probably won't like it.
On the other hand if you like Far Cry and Minecraft you might like it. Just get it real cheap since it's pretty much a $15 indie game copy-pasted into AAA size. Or better yet wait until the game-breaking bugs are fixed, which will probably never happen.
i still remember not playing this game because there was no way to please all 5 factions or however many it was.
>>342749784
The fact that aliens were Easter eggs in the original games and Bethesda basically flat out tells you aliens actually caused The Great War isn't comparible you colossal autist.
>>342749495
It's dumb they blamed the great war on ayy lmaos, but ayy lmaos have been canon since the first game, and it fits with the retrofuturism theme tbqh
I knew this game was buttfucked the moment Tawd started going on and on about settlement building. Straight up gimmick crap taking up too much time and resources that would have been better put into developing the world and story tighter. So much wasted effort so something so isolated from the central game.
>>342750046
>but ayy lmaos have been canon since the first game, and it fits with the retrofuturism theme tbqh
I'm not saying there weren't "in" the originals. Jesus Christ this board is retarded.
>>342747905
Yes. You only get a follow up quest because he goes right into "I have another job for you" after rewarding you, so the second you get the line for completing a quest, turn 360 degrees and walk away. If you put him in a settlement you never visit, you'll never see the fuckwit again and your quest log will be cleared of his bullshit radiant quests.
Having to do a workaround like that is stupid but it's possible to shut this idiot out of your life for good. People overexaggerate how "annoying" he is.
>>342750224
>if this were made in an earlier time, they would just let us shoot the motherfucker dead.
>>342750046
>>342750190
Guess it's also "canon" that's there's a giant Godzilla monster roaming the California wastelands too I guess, and dat Dr. Who amirite? xD
>>342750032
>Obsidian introduces Aliens as canon
>makes them technologically advanced
>implies they took active secret role in humanity
>Bethesda: "maybe they contributed to the war?"
>>OMG WAT FUCKING HACKS! I HATE BETHZDA NOW
>find curie
>get her a hot synth body
>several hours of hot synth sex later
>talk to some fag
>W-what is a synth?
>>342750032
>>342750371
>when interplay does it, it isn't canon!
>but when bethesda does it it's canon and that triggers me!
>>342750386
>Obsidian introduces Aliens as canon
It's time to go to bed, anon.
>>342750363
Or say, "No, I'm not your errand boy, fuck off".
I don't know what people at Bethesda are smoking making a walking no-means-yes quest generator invincible.
>>342750520
Alien themed DLC and an alien corpse in the middle of nowhere aren't the same thing.
>>342749975
>fusion cores
>power armor
>power lasts for fifteen minutes instead of hundreds of years
still triggered tbqh
the entire narrative irony was that fusion cores were going to make energy scarcity a thing of the past and make the whole great war redundant
>>342750647
Why, because you had to pay for one of them?
>>342750543
Shit. Yeah, I'm too used to arguing in New Vegas threads. Still, it doesn't invalidate the point being made. The idea of Aliens is what's laughable about the situation, and that was Interplay, not Bethesda. Pretending that the series prior to 3 wasn't filled with stupid cringe stuff is just revisionism.
>>342742064
But it has better gameplay than 3
>>342750554
This brings up another point about these so called "do anything" rpgs. I would gladly sacrifice shit like radiant questing, settlement building and what not if it meant allowing my character to physically DO more things.
I want to be able to grab that asshole by the collar, drag him kicking and screaming behind me, throw him in the river, shoot him in the kneecaps and watch him drown and bleed out.
I'd take open-endedness like this any day over "muh scrapyards"
>>342750765
Because one is an easter egg and in no way related to the story and the other is "Aliens are canon guys, and t b h they started the great war xD, enjoy!"
>>342750650
Well, I mean, the fusion cores have an effective lifespan of like 100-200 years. Your complaint is like using an old battery and complaining that it doesn't have much power.
>>342750650
The Fusion Cores had been used for hundreds of years. Why would it bother you that they only had 15 minutes of Power Armor juice left?
>>342749007
The guy that sends you out from the railroad to install cameras on buildings is all most as bad.
>>342750803
The stupid cringe shit is all Bethesda, they bought the rights to a franchise they didn't even understand.
>>342750386
>original games has it as a small optional easter egg
>FO3 has it too, nobody complains
>then they introduce an entire DLC about it for no good reason
this whole edition feels like clown shoes to me. I took Fallout 3 more seriously than this.
>>342750872
How exactly would that be implemented into a game you scrub there aren't enough buttons to do literally anything
>>342750932
He sent you to some good looking vistas. I hated the new settlement ones because I invariably felt compelled to bring every settlement to some minimum standard. They all needed to be connected to Sanctuary, they all needed a beacon, and enough food, water, beds and defense to be self-sufficient. Got to be a massive time and resource drain every time I saw Preston.
>>342741354
>50% off
>oh that's coo-
>$25 for Far Harbor
What the FUCK?
Does Far Harbor also give you a fucking hand job for its pricetag?
>>342751117
>grab
>walk
>throw
>shoot
Yeah anon that's a real puzzler.
>>342751082
>then they introduce an entire DLC about it for no good reason
And in said DLC they tell you "Yup, just so you know this story isn't about humanity coming to the point in it's history where it destroys its own self. Aliens did it."
Totally negating the entire premise to which Fallout stood for.
Did they fix the loading screens yet? Game was actually asuper fun open world shooter and well above fallout 3but each time I had to leave a building I'd wait 2 minutes for a loading.
And no, putting the game on an SSD did not fix it.
>>342742893
baitd
>>342743729
>Game lags like crazy on ps4
I know those feels. Beat it and haven't touched it since. May give it another shot when they get mods on ps4 working properly.
Also what kind of mods can console users download? Same as PC or are we limited to what they deem appropriate?
>>342751058
>I've never played Fallout 2.
>And if I had I speedran past the talking Deathclaws and all the other retarded zomgwacky shit.
>>342751109
TBF Fo3 was the one that tried the hardest to be RAWR SRS BUSINESS GRIMDARK.
>>342751560
>what is the FEV virus
I'm not talking about fucking intelligent Deathclaws, I'm talking about aliens and Bethesda ruining the whole "War. War never changes." theme.
How dense are you?
>>342751082
I'm not saying it wasn't a big misstep, I'm just saying the fault isn't squarely Bethesda's here. They didn't introduce the aliens. And it's a pretty big mozza ball to have out there. We know from the first two Fallouts that Aliens were there during the war. How big a leap is it really to assume some involvement? And given the war happened, that the involvement probably wasn't them trying for peace and disarmament.
Now, the DLC was a mistake. But I don't think having aliens be mentioned more prominently and suggesting some sinister possibility of them having played China and the US against one another is such a terrible idea to be explored.
>>342751661
>I've never played FO1 or FO2
Fucking normie.
>>342751716
>it's not Bethesda's fault they took a clear easter egg and turned it into DLC where they butcher the entire premise of the series
wewwwwwwwww laddie
>How big a leap is it really to assume some involvement?
Retarded because again, it RUINS the entire story.
>>342751716
very well said
>>342751506
Consoles can only download basic stuff that dont depend on script extenders. They will eventually bring more advanced mods on consoles though, repackaged inpaid packsand lets be serious millions of people will buy that shit
>>342751697
"Cringe shit" is a pretty fucking broad term, moron.
>>342751716
I always thought of the aliens as observers, creatures that wouldn't interfere but watched the earth constantly for science or something. But then there were a couple of UFO crashes of course. But nothing was stated, the player could interpret it however they wanted.
The DLC basically saying "it's like this" and trivializing the backstory of Fallout was just flat out retarded.
>>342750897
>in no way related to the story
And yet you can use the alien blaster for the rest of the game?
>>342752078
>FEV is cringe shit
You tried.
>>342751907
>if i keep calling it an easter egg that'll change history
Sorry faggot. You can look back with rose colored glasses all you want, it ain't gonna change what's there.
The worst part is watching people try and meet you halfway here. "Sure, you're right, but surely introducing ayy lmaos was bad too right?"
Nah, if aliens are stupid and ruin the series, that's on the faggots in Interplay. Bethesda is making the best of your retarded situation.
I think what hurt me the most was the stripping of all of the skills and points that have been there for ever. Literally and figuratively taking the SPECIAL out of Fallout. When I found out that all my role building amounted to were just some gay perks, I never had this feeling of progression. Hell, you can play FO1 for 20 minutes and get that. Why would they remove such an integral part these games?
>>342752147
>>342752167
>still trying to compare easter eggs to story driven DLC in a desperate attempt to protect your Bethesda overlords
>>342752314
>still calling them easter eggs
Try again.
>>342751907
Clearly I remember playing them more than you do since there was a shitload of wacky cartoony comic relief shit in those games (2 way moreso than 1) that got heavily downplayed in 3, which was all "DEAD DEPRESSING DARK WORLD OF DEATH" in comparison.
>>342752294
why did it take you all these years to realize they do not give a shit about your roleplaying experience when fallout 3 already happened?
>>342752371
>a special encounter where you get a hidden weapon
>"ALRIGHT LETS GO GUYS, INTERPLAY SET UP THE FOUNDATION SO WE HAVE TO FINISH IT. Roll up the Mothership Zeta DLC and the Lore demolishing holotapes, boys."
>>342752150
Link the post where I referred at all to FEV.
>>342752439
what are you talking about? Both FO3 and NV allowed you to put points into specific things with perks being allowed every other level. I don't get what you're trying to say.
>>342752513
Intelligent Deathclaws are the result of FEV experimentation. You brought them up, why exactly?
>>342752592
I'm saying fo3 was a horrible rpg
>>342752480
Or the Psychic Nullifier that you use to beat the Master, also an alien invention.
>Easter Egg
Stinks of desperation now, famalam.
>>342752610
Because they're fucking cringe-inducing retarded shit no matter what explanation you give it.
>>342752718
>Psychic Nullifier
>Alien
>>342752294
Pretty much. FO3 was okay in terms of character development, dialogue choices were pretty shit though. FONV was perfect, you could build your character in many ways and it even gave you a bunch of unique dialogue choices. SPECIAL, skills, perks and traits all worked together to specialize your character.
But then we get the sequel that just takes a huge steamy dump on all that made the previous games good, yet sells millions and garners tons of great reviews.
>>342752791
Cringe-inducing shit has NOTHING, again, NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about.
>cringe-inducing /=/ lore-destroying
I just dont get it, they game has some good ideas, but fucks everything up so hard its not even funny
settlements could be amazing, instead they're pure trash, the storyline is still terrible, every thing's terrible
the only good thing in the whole fucking game, is the map, i can admit the map actually had though put into it, they probably spent the whole time doing it and forgot the rest
Are Fallout 1 and 2 actually good or it just a meme on /v/? /v/ also says Morrowind is good but when I played it I disliked it.
>>342743131
Don't kid yourself. It looks better than FO3/NV, but that says nothing. Those look like the shit growing on my feet.
>>342752998
They are excellent RPGs
>>342752953
Then fucking say "lore destroying" instead of "cringe inducing" you fucking moron. Admit you fucked up.
>>342746865
the gunplay is actually S tier. but you are correct that in every other way it is much worse.
>>342753097
I'm not the one who's saying cringe-inducing. You're the one who brought that up.
>>342752998
They're great, but pretty slow paced so if you didn't like Morrowind you probably won't like them.
Maybe if you really like dialogue, because that's the star of those games, MW doesn't really have dialogue choices like FO
>>342752882
Can't wait for Fallout 5.
>No HP bar. Chems are removed and food is used exclusively for cooking minigames. Stimpacks work like non-addictive Jet and health regenerates instantly.
>Damage results in the screen turning red while your character holds his PipBoy to his face displaying "YOU ARE HURT. FIND COVER." in giant letters.
>Player is only allowed to hold two weapons of any kind. Inventory system is limited to ammo and crafting items.
>Armor is limited to limb add-ons and purchased via microtransactions based on the player's Charisma. This goes for large weapons as well.
>Every single environment is littered with chest-high walls. Sneak also doubles as a third-person cover system.
>All dungeons are one way corridors and pseudo corridors, with looting areas replaced by setpeices.
>Radiation mechanic is removed. Irradiated areas simply act as "RETURN TO THE COMBAT ZONE" states.
>Perks are removed altogether along with skills, with the only remaining option a selective straight increase of SPECIAL integers. Everything else is completely linear JRPG style.
>Dialogue options are completely removed, replaced with "press A to keep talking".
>During combat, player can spew profanities and make lewd gestures toward enemies using taunt buttons.
>Protagonist starts game in a vault overrun by super mutants only to be liberated by the Brotherhood of Steel which he joins immediately.
>Plot twist involves protagonist being the President of the United States with amnesia.
>Super mutants are retconned as the result of a joint Russian/Chinese project and FEV was conceived for biological warfare.
>Power Armor is available from the very beginning of the game but only as unlockable DLC.
>Factions are removed entirely. Player is allied with the BoS at all times.
>Engine locked at 30 fps.
>Mouse disabled in PipBoy and menus.
>Game Over screen is Vault Boy flipping the player off with one hand and $60 in marked bills in the other.
>>342752840
>Fallout Official Survival Guide: "Psychic Nullifier: A strange device, possibly the product of an alien technology. It blocks telepathic or psychic commands."
>>342752882
Of course it sells millions, u dolt, people LOVED Fallout 3 not because it had great depth, or amazing character development, or a great convo system, or all around nice roleplaying (all of these were ROTTEN shit) they loved it because it had a big world they could run around in doing seemingly lots of stuff, with the only downside being that the gameplay was ripe shite, it was seriously by all intents and purposes a fucking oblivion mod, even worse, an oblivion modder could have made better gunplay than what fallout 3 has.
So then bethesda, knowing full well what made their game so succesful, made a game that PERFECTLY capitalizes on this and massively improves the gunplay. So of fucking course, it sells well, when its C-A-T-E-R-E-D to the people that loved fallout 3, and my fuck did a lot of people love fallout 3.
>>342752998
I am not a big rpg person and I fire up FO1 last night and enjoyed it. It is a video game in all the best ways. It sucks you in, gives you plenty of room to experiment, doesn't hold your hand but rewards you for playing well. All in all, it is successful.
>>342753354
>a big world they could run around in doing seemingly lots of stuff
Last time I check NV had a trillion more quests and a much, much larger map, it can't be it
>>342753170
You said "cringe shit". What the fuck am I supposed to gather from that aside from "shit that causes you to cringe"? Just saying the word "cringe" does not automatically refer specifically to how something is related to the lore of a specific franchise. How mother fucking goddamn dense and stubborn are you?
>>342753354
FO4 is LITERALLY FO3.5. It wasn't even a meme, Boston feels just like a slightly upgraded capital wasteland, the world design is exactly the same, the story is similar, mutants are again braindead orcs, raiders have no factions or personality, they recycled the entire radio station
Literally NO innovation whatsoever, but people don't even want innovation so it works.
>>342753552
Yes it is, you're delusional if you think fucking retards like angry joe loved fallout 3 because it was a unique or great roleplaying experience.
In fact the massive amount of backlash by fallout 3 fanboys towards NV is basically because IT IS an RPG, the fact that there's world building going on pisses them off to no end.
>>342753632
Yep. Its basically an improved fallout 3 with a better world and all the ''pointless'' rpg thingies taken out (not that it matters because bethesda is shit at it)
and now you have a few stragglers that think fo4 is bad because ''MUH ROLEPLAYING LIEK IN FALLOUT 3 XDDDD'' and its just the ultimate form of irony, you know?
>>342753828
I still think 3 was better, even if it was shit it did at least attempt and had some of the features I liked from the fallout series. FO4 is just a complete bastardization.
Do you think, hypothetically, if they kept everything they way it is but moved it all into a current engine - would Fallout 1 & 2 hold up?
>>342754369
well, it had better quests, so if you appreciate that then yeah its better, but for me they weren't good enough to save that horrendous gameplay, y'know?
>>342754485
This is so accurate it hurts
>>342754469
>mfw FO1 remade in XCOM engine
Does anybody feel like Todd actually still cares about the games he makes?
Whenever i hear Todd talk i just see an insurmountable amount of WAKE ME UP INSIDE in his eyes, and that he really just wants to go back to making games like Morrowind again, but every weekend Pete Hines ties him up in the basement and forces him to see how much money they are making off the casualized market.
He's an empty soul of a man.
>>342742108
>wanting a stable game that feels anything like it belongs in the franchise is a high standard
I hope you all are enjoying summer
>>342749073
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Famiglia-chan-kun-sempai-domo-dono-ponkotsu
Smbhtbqfhf, let me correct it for you.
>Is fallout 4 a fallout game?
No.
>Is fallout 4 skyrim with guns?
Yes.
>Is fallout 4 oblivion witth guns without guns with guns?
Yes.
>Is fallout 4 good?
Fuck no.
>Is fallout 4 shit in every aspect, a direct and steep downgrade from everything laid down in New Vegas or the first two?
Yes.
>New vegas was the best in the series
It was the best in the Toddi'q series.
>Look at all the bethesda plot holes
It writes itself, it's pottery. F3: Go in and stop the purifier stuff. No Fawkes, no Charon, etc. DLC ENDING!
FEV in the commonwealth, pre-war jet, the institute operating as is. The railroad as whole. The brotherhood of steel being so functional and so dysfunctional at the same time. "Guys it's totally like a desolate, barren, gray wasteland after +200 years. 210 to be exact. No green allowed." Oh yeah, and Ghouls are now zombies.
>Radiation dumbass
Got me there.
>The enclave
By this point i refuse to care.
>>342755402
I think their team doesn't used to take criticism seriously before Fallout 4 was released. They were so blinded by Skyrim's success that they fully ignored the things people disliked in Skyrim, and they just implemented it in Fallout 4.
The Far Harbor dlc, and the recent interviews with Todd at E3 makes me feel TESVI will be different. I hope so.
>>342742805
sup /mlp/, did you get GR15 removed yet?
>>342742108
They don't have standards, they just have a desire to be unsatisfied.
I know the feeling. I loved Metal Gear Rising till /v/ convinced me not to. This place ruins people
>>342743478
Gr8 b8 m8
>mfw I'm having a blast playing FO4 and there's LITERALLY nothing you autists can do about it
>>342758145
>>mfw I'm having a blast playing FO4 and there's LITERALLY nothing you autists can do about it
We can laugh about your shitty taste and ADHD, twelvie
>>342741354
The gunplay is quite fun, it's just everything else that sucks eggs. I put a ton of time into it at launch but I can't be bothered to go back and replay it to experience the other factions, which is a shame because I loved doing that in past games. I hear the DLC isn't complete ass, there's that at least.
>>342741354
>Terribles Dialogs
>Bugs also in the menu
>Fucking controls in Pip Boy
>Remake of Every Arcade Game of Nintendo
>Ai so FUCKED
YES ANON 10/10!!!!
"""""""""""""This game is actually phenomenon."""""""""""""
>>342749730
You do know that gunplay is not the only part of gameplay?
>>342749730
>>342749730
Bethesda° are you there?
>>342753574
>Pretending that the series prior to 3 wasn't filled with stupid cringe stuff is just revisionism.
Nice try, dumb ass.
>>342753353
>possibly
>>342743478
>New Vegas had multiple aspects I just felt weren't really "in line" with the fallout lore in general
Gameplay gets a lot more intense with modern weapons pack, reverb sound mod, and set to very hard. Even at 1,500 health you can die in half a second considering Super Mutants get m134's, 20mm cannons, and .50 rifles everywhere. The sound mod just makes the already loud as fuck gunfire louder and booming.
>>342753329
>5 DLCs consisting of expansions to the crafting system
>>342741354
It is the best 3d post nuclear war game
>>342763760
YEAH JUST LIKE MAH CAWA DOOTY SHOOTERS BRAH!
>>342764560
I thought mods were a plus unless you are a ps4 shitter
>>342758365
I'm laughing at your autism neckbeard. Stick to playing text adventures and eating hotpoclets in your mom's basement.
>>342742752
Fallout FOOOURR HOOOURRRASS
>>342764880
>I'm laughing at your autism neckbeard. Stick to playing text adventures and eating hotpoclets in your mom's basement.
>ha-ah-ah-a nerd he enjoys consistence in his games
You're rad lad :^)
i played this game for almost 200 hours trying hard to make myself believe it's not total insipid insulting trash only to find out that it indeed is fucking garbageit's kinda like life. no refunds now
>>342766317
This is the problem I have with all the emphasis on large open worlds these days.
It was cool the first couple of times but now they're just doing more of the same but making it even larger with a few new things to do and shinier graphics.
HATE NEWSPAPERS
>>342767140
>SARCASM
Casuals love it, actual fans of the original FO games hate it for good reason. Simple as that.
