Let's settle this once and for all.
New Vegas is a direct fucking upgrade from Fallout 3 famalam
>>342725220
I agree, but everyone always seems to prefer 3 to NV for some reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78
>>342725449
For being a faggot most likely.
>>342725136
>Fallout 3 vs New Vegas
/thread, New Vegas wins.
>>342725136
The one where your actions and choices have actual consequences
>>342725136
one of them has boone. that one wins
The one where you don't have to buy a DLC to unfuck the terrible writing of the main quest.
inb4 muh atmosphere faggots
>>342725449
They played it first.
3's biggest advantage over NV is that it was the first Fallout a lot of people played and at the time it was a big breath of fresh air for first person games.
>>342727335
They even fail at making a decent atmosphere, le badly done WaaAAaAaaaAAAAcky inconsistent retro-future 50's ruins it
>>342725136
I don't care what you Obsidiots say. Fallout 3 was fucking fun. New Vegas bored me to tears and its cowboy roman bullshit was just silly.
>better story
NV
>better weapons
NV
>better dialogue
NV
>better DLC
NV
>better companions
NV
Not really much to discuss tbqh senpai-tachi
>>342727452
You mean shitty shooter in Fallout setting?
>>342727452
But New Vegas is objectively superior because you can play all of FO3 and NV through a mod.
There is literally no debating this.
>>342727452
>Fun
That's the point, it's watered down and extremely casual
NV fixes it all, I bet you didn't enjoy the originals
>>342727607
>having fun is casual and dumb
Fuck off /v/. Video games were made for fun.
>>342725136
NV
This was settled "once and for all" ages ago, kys faggot.
>>342727781
>Video games were made for fun.
I phrased it badly, if you find watered down shit like F3 or F4 fun, then there's a problem with you
Bethesda Fallout:
>DUDE it's like the 1950s but it's not! Wow Cool! Look at all these wacky locations!! A settlement run by kids?! Wow, only in the post apocalypstic world could this happen! Hahah look, this settlement is named after its ruler, and his name is DAVE. Hahahahahahaha. Where do they come up with this stuff?! A talking computer? Hehe. That's unexpected! There are two, count them, TWO super heroes fighting over a town. Cuckoo bananas is you ask me. XDDD
Obsidian Fallout:
>A deep, multi choice rpg with deep discussions about politics and the world. Deep dialogue, deep perk trees, and deep companions.
>>342726976
this
>>342727945
Makes me nervous about the next elder scrolls.
The one with ED-E and Blue Moon by Sinatra
The one with shandified worldbuilding
The one with several factions with various endings depending on which one you support
The one where Karma works as reputation
you know the one
>>342725449
Steam:
>New Vegas Ultimate: 95% positive of 39,196 reviews
>Fallout 3:GOTY Edition: 83% positive of 14,888 reviews
Metacritic:
>New Vegas PC: 8.5 based on 2620 ratings
>Fallout 3 PC: 7.9 based on 3341 ratings
Who is this everyone you are talking about? your little circlejerk of friends?
I liked them both
>Give some water to a bum, the only person in the entire wasteland with a water problem
>Hunted down endlessly by a bunch of retards that have infinite numbers and supplies in the post-apoc wasteland
>Cannot interact with them, cannot wipe them out
>Apparently someone somewhere benefits from D.C. being absolutely worthless by some unknown mechanism so they hire these infinite permanently evil mercenaries to do evil things
>Repeat the same mysterious mercenary faction shit in FO4
What the fuck are you doing Emil
>Be Courier
>Have 10 Luck
>Play Blackjack
>Rob casinoes blind until they forbid you to gamble
>be set for the rest of the game
>>342729659
>not doing it the fun way and kill Legion assassins and Gun Runners guard to sell their stuff for a shit load of caps
http://www.strawpoll.me/10584969
>>342730030It always ends the same way lad
>>342729813
Blackjack is fun you uncultured troglodyte
>>342730354
NYEHEHEH THERE'S THE HIGHROLLER
Always nv, but FO4 is the real good shit
>>342729659
>35 grand
>Set for the rest of the game
The fuck? I spend that much on every trip to the gun runners.
>>342730595
That pic is so accurate it hurts
What is the most comfortable place in the Mojave?
>>342727980
>A deep, multi choice rpg with deep discussions about politics and the world. Deep dialogue, deep perk trees, and deep companions.
I also prefer nv but could you please stop refering to it as "deep". It sounds pretentious as fuck and it's simply wrong. There's nothing deep about nv. It's just a better rpg when compared to fallout 3 black or white morality.
>>342731053
Novac
>>342725136
Fallout 4
>great gameplay
>beautiful graphics and world
>amazing weapon parts system
>incredibly fun sidequests
>dlc makes everything even better
>>342730947
why the fuck do you spend 35 grand on weaponry each time ?
>>342731103
Shallow minded fool
>>342731103
>There's nothing deep about nv
Cry out for 'pretentiousness' all you want, every little thing is related to real life politics and morality or event in a way or another
>>342731176
>Smooth shooting =/= Good gameplay
1+2>new vegas>3+4
as an RPG
If you are all about fps run&gun bullshit
4>nv>3>1+2
New Vegas is better in the writing department for its main quest and the seemingly minor inclusion of iron-sights makes the game (seem) more fun, plus crafting, reputation, more distractions, and better companions make New Vegas better then three.
>>342731176
Fallout 4
>ruins skill/perk system
>ruins conversation system
>black and white "ebil guyz vs gud guyz" factions
>shit quests, the fridge one obviously taking the cake
>every other character related to main story line is invincible
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FkxhDmd.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
>>342731156
Bullshit, the Mojave Outpost is the most comfy. It's all up in it's little corner of the map. There's friendly NPCs all around. You got Cass in the bar for a drinking buddy. The place feels remote as fuck and out of the way, while not being a ghost town at the same time. Nice and sleepy. It's the best place in the game.
>>342730174
AHAHDLSJHKAJSDHKJ
YOU JERKS WOULDNT KNOW A GOOD GAME FROM YOUR ARSE!
>>342731230
Are you a child? Do the math. Any weapon mod costs a couple thousand, the unique weapons are all in the 20k range alone and ammo is plentiful (not to mention expensive if you have the 50 cal),.
>>342731813
NCR troopers complaining all the time isn't exactly my version of comfiness, but I see your point
Novac is all comfy because all the characters feel like a big family
>>342731813
This. I love sitting in the bar at the outpost and drinking with Cass.
>>342732143
>do the crimson caravan jobs.
>my character is a retard.
>can't do barter.
>can't do speech.
>have no NCR rep.
>accept the drinking contest.
>get all the whiskey in the desert.
>10 endurance.
>she signs off her caravan instantly.
>>342725136
>let's settle this
/v/ has unanimously agreed that NV is superior for years
We have new vegas threads that reach bump limit almost daily
>>342725136
its been agreed on that fo3 is fucking shit
in fact its worse than fo4
>>342732113
>[intelligence] the baby is drowning
gets me every time
there is only one thing superior about fallout 3
>link related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPlV8V13X3Q
Never forget.
>>342727505
fisto
HOW THE FUCK DO I KILL DEATH CLAWS
EVERY FUCKING TIME I GO TO QUARRY JUNCTION I GET MY SHIT PUSHED BY THE FUCKING BITCH ASS MOTHER DEATHCLAW AND IF IT'S NOT HER IT'S THE FAGGOT ALPHA MALE KEK
I HAVE 100 GUNS AND THE AMR ALREADY WHAT AM I DOING WRONG
>>342732994
Get something thats actually damaging against them
also use AP ammo
>>342732994
If they get close, the AMR won't save you. Switch to a riot shotgun with the "And Stay Back" perk.
>>342732635
kings.jpg
FO3 is only fun for the first six or so levels where it feels like you're actually an underpowered teenager stuck in a foreign and hostile world. You become an unflappable death machine way to quickly. I wish the modding community was more into make survival type mods for it.
>Two hundred and seventy years since the war
>People have gotten back to building radios, guns, energy weapons, nation states.
>But they still don't have cars
This is really stupid, now that I think about it. There is no way that they wouldn't even at least renovate an old car to work again.
>>342732994
Explosives and GRX implants son
>>342732994
>buy as much sniper ammo as you can carry, along with a shit for ysc/186 or tesla cannon, have a number of bottlecap mines
>have boone with you
>snipe the first 3-4 deathlaws in addition to the two who will charge you
>tell boone to get lost
>use a stealth boy and climb on top of the mine cart sloped thingy
>the death claws can't climb it
>pick off all the rest of the deathclaws
>save
>sometimes the alpha deathclaw and mate will come out of cave system
>if not, go down and grab boone, head over, and use the mines and energy weapons to kill them
thats how i did it
>>342732994
Your damage output is literally too low. Sneak attacks from forever away with a hunting rifle would carry you through it, but firing one AMR bullet every 4 seconds is just gonna get you killed.
The moment you kill the deathclaw mother, or the deathclaw babies, they all frenzy and get faster.
IF you're not gonna drop your shitty cock compensator, at least put a minefield between the deathclaws and you. If even that's too hard, you can cheese the whole fight by climbing on top of the machines. Deathclaws can't jump or climb, so they'll all die trying to reach you.
>>342728673
>shandified
get out Mr. B
>>342733582
99% of all vehicles in use run on gasoline.
The reason the world went to shit in the first place was resource shortage.
There's not a lot to renovate. The NCR by new Vegas has a functional railroad instead.
>>342732994
If you're using the AMR you really don't have an excuse. Well maybe if your sneak is low and they gang up on you. But they usually only take a couple explosive rounds to kill.
>>342732718
THIS IS LIBEL
PREPARE TO BE SUED YOU BUTTHOLE
>>342733582
Highwayman
Fallout 3 would have been much better if the end game enemies were the Talon Company.
Those guys are fucking everywhere yet there's nothing to them.
If they'd been led by Colonel Autumnwho was still the son of an Enclave Officerand wanted to control the Pentagon or the Capitol to make America great again or some dumb shit like that it would have made more sense
>>342733928
I thoguht Fallout cars ran on nuclear power???
>>342733582
this always annoyed the shit out of me
>>342733928
Ford Nucleon
Cars had already went to nuclear/electric before the war, and its definitely more reasonable to think that the wasteland yokels would be unable to repair a small scale nuclear generator than a combustion powered car
>especially when they can still produce alcohol and different greases/oils
>>342733928
Didn't Fallouts world have atomic craft etc? I mean NCR has at least one Veritbird doesn't it? What do they run on?
>>342734410
Nuclear cars only happen in Bethesdaland.
Fusion cars were super luxurious rides for the 1%.
>>342725136
>>342725449
We've had this thread a million times. We've had polls a million times where New Vegas always wins.
This has already been settled.
>>342733818
Impossible...the AMR is the strongest weapon in the game...it's unbeatable....
>>342734624
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>>342734453
Vertibirds run on gas. The enclave could operate them because their main base located on top of the world's last oil supply.
Then Bethesda started using vertibirds like they're star trek redshirts.
All you need to know is that the most powerful faction in america, the NCR, can maintain a single vertibird to fly the president around.
>>342732994
climb up on the rocks on the left, they can't reach you there.
If you have GRA use Paciencia, if you dont use the Gobi Campaign Rifle.If you have Old World Blues get the special stealth suit and upgrade it fully and get Christine's COS Silencer Rifle (easier to stay hidden, even during the day, for more sneak crits).Always sneak, use stealth boys and aim for the head.
Also this >>342733220 , AP makes the process quicker but you don't need to use them. if you dont have many either get more or save then for the Alpha Male and Mother Death Claw.
That or if you have GRA just buy a fat man and get a fuck ton of those cluster bomb ones on groups of them.
>>342734740
>the most powerful faction in america
Midwest.jpg
>>342725136
Why does FO3 feel like it doesn't fit in with the lore of 1, 2, Tactics, BoS, and NV?
>>342734869
Maybe it's because it doesn't fit in?
>>342734746
>get a fuck ton of those cluster bomb mini-nukes to use on groups of them
>>342734525
wait, but the highwayman ran on energy cells and the convega was nuclear (fallout 1 and 2) where the only oil vehicle other then diesel trucks were the coups
>>342734869
Because bethesda is hell bent on breaking the lore and replacing it with tacticool stuff
>>342725449
You mean normies prefer 3 to NV. Most gamers prefer NV, even the cringelords of reddit.
>>342734869
T-Thats really none of YOUR business kid!
>>342725136
Fallout 3, easily.
>>342735285
>user score.jpg
>>342725449
Reddit prefers 3
4chan mostly prefers NV
I enjoyed New Vegas more overall.
>>342725449
bizzaro /v/?
>>342735285
so whats fallout4's score
I like how the Courier has barely any relation to any vaults
The Vault Dweller, Lone Wanderer and Sole Survivor live in a vault
The Chosen One is a descendent of the Vault dweller
The courier just got a pip-boy from from the Doc and his jumpsuit
also the Courier THE fucking mailman of the wasteland. He had to walk ridiculous amount of kilometres to deliver packages
>playing unarmed build on Very Hard
>Deathclaws oneshot me through Power Armor and 9 Endurance
IT'S NOT FAIR, MAN
>>342727945
Not sure what this chart is supposed to be saying other than Fallout 4 doesn't have skills.
>>342735743
>>342735618
I just wish the reason for him getting his pip boy was slightly different because Doc Mitchell slapping you with an inventory manager and a vault suit out of the kindness of his heart because one of those things is a necessity and the other is iconic was lazy as hell
>>342734740
You can see crashed NCR vertibirds with enclave markings at the Long 15 nuke site, if you nuke the NCR at the end of Lonesome Road.
>>342735618
Him deliver nuke.
Him cool.
>>342725136
There is nothing to settle. NV is the superior game in every single way. The writing, the characters, the world, the faction system, the quests, absolutely everything.
>>342735743
Having flamers, miniguns and rocket launchers in the same category, and not having big energy guns and laser pistols/conventional rifles and miniguns in the same skill category is outright dumb
>>342735618
???
>>342735285
feels like they literally do that to deny obsidian's bonus payment
>>342735728
You're a madman to try unarmed. You should therefore be taking drugs. Pop some Turbo and deathclaws can't touch you.
>>342735893
When Bethesda provides you with a box of mechanics and assets, you either do the most with it, or you whine about it.
>THIS PIPBOY GLOVE LITERALLY CANNOT EVER BE REMOVED FROM YOU FOR ANY REASON!
>IT'LL KILL YOU, SON! KILL YOU!
>never brought up again.
>>342736251
Pre-order bonus and Pack Bonus
No related to real story.
>>342736416
Damn, completely forgot about that
>>342728906
this though
They are both good games, especially if you stay away from the fallout 3 main story line completely
Haven't even met 3 dog yet and have been to most locations and am almost level 15, way more fun than i remembered it being
>first time actually doing the fort constantine quest from underworld
>found the MERV before i even got 8 mini nukes to use it, saving up
>took my time in the dunwich building long enough to realize all the more subtle HP lovecraft references
>actually finished the nuka cola challenge for once
Its a way better game then the main story arc gives it credit for, which unfortunately only furthered reminded me of how shit Fo4 is by comparison
>>342734453
Apparently there are some trucks in Camp Macaren that look fixed enough to drive.
>>342736251
Thats just a callback to the original fallout
>>342725136
I like them both equality. They have both their own strength and weaknesses.
>>342736578
There's also drugs that specifically boost melee and unarmed. Rushing water, slasher, weapon binding ritual.
>>342735728
Deathclaw mother one shot me with enclave armor set, DT implant and all DT perks when I was doing melee playthrough.
I LOVE LEVEL SCALING!
>>342736854
What strengths does FO3 have?
It has been settled long ago that people who prefer 3 over NV are plebs who didn't recognise the humour and spirit of the original Fallouts and most likely underaged
>>342736908
No enemy in the game can one shot you. A deathclaw will get you with two swipes at most.
>>342727349
Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game as well, but I'll still take New Vegas over it any day of the week.
>>342737115
Should I believe you or my own experience?
>>342736908
you know deathclaws ignore dt/dr right?
>>342737115
>No enemy in the game can one shot you.
i get one shoted all the time
>glass cannon sniper build desu doh
>>342737226
Believe in scientific facts, motherfucker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dFSOR3SE-o
>Scientifically tests every powerful enemy on Very Hard, with best armor, to see who is the strongest
>No enemy can do more than 2 shot you.
>>342737115
Lots of shit in the game can and will one-shot you. The biggest offenders are the special deathclaws running around in the Lonesome road DLC, who legit for real one shot you 100% of the time.
FO3 has a better world and atmosphere.
NV has better mechanics but way too much open empty space.
Like them both but FO3 will always be my favorite.
>>342737552
>that piece of shit glowing bloatfly
I didn't even know that little cocksucker was in there when i went in, had to use every single bullet in every gun i had to kill it
>>342737552
>675 hp
Nice science.
Is .44 Magnum satisfying to shoot IRL?
>>342736985
Good Music
Great World design
Strong main quests
You get feedback from your actions in the game(like Tenpenny Tower).
Fun combat
>>342738095
>Strong main quests
Don't make me post it motherfucker.
>>342738095
>good music
sure
>great world design
its a barren wasteland even 200 years after the war
also the subways were shit
>strong main quests
I'll need some examples
>You get feedback from your actions in the game(like Tenpenny Tower)
that is one event out of maybe 3, and it doesnt make any real impact
>fun combat
objectively wrong
>>342738034
Kind of
Kicks like a virgin
>>342738001
>Without DLC
>Video shows Lonesome Road Deathclaw
>Also he probably used buffout.
>>342738327
I liked the quest were you are trapped in the virtual world.
>>342738483
The point is that your video doesn't prove that it is impossible to get one shot.
>>342738485
>quest
>can be finished in 2 minutes flat
>>342735728
>failing as unarmed
How? It's broken as shit in FNV. You're near-invulnerable in VATS, sneak is overpowered and unarmed just dishes out insane amounts of damage in general.
>>342737115
I got one shot headshot constantly by hunting rifle white legs.
>>342738034
Imagine holding a bat in you hand. Now imagine someone with another bat hitting the top of your bat with all his strength. It's like that.
>>342738616
Maybe if you have 1 endurance.
>People liked FO3's shitty music so much they put it in FO4
>>342738947
Oh no.
I'm a victim of humorous deception.
>>342739023
This was the first jarring disappointment of the game for me and I should have taken it as a sign.
>>342739023
whatever, its better than the rest of the soundtrack
>lmao this coon band from the mid 60s said "atomic" holy shit we should put this in the soundtrack!!!!11!!
Half of the new shit was all over the place in style and era
BIG IRON
>>342738386
>its a barren wasteland even 200 years after the war
The game has fucking giant ants and Ghouls which makes no sense. It's just a design choice.
>I'll need some examples
>>342738485
Also the start was great in the game. Also I liked the part with Liberty Prime.
>that is one event out of maybe 3, and it doesnt make any real impact
Not for the whole wasteland but for the residents of Tenpenny. But I agree there are not many decision you can make like the one in Tenpenny.
>objectively wrong
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/objectively
>>342732029
how fucking bad is your barter nigger
>>342738095
>Tenpenny Tower
More of the "refugees welcome" lot need to play that quest.
Three Dog is a complete SJW cunt as well.
>Don't let them in
>TD: WAHHH THAT CUNT FROM 101 IS MEAN
>Let them in
>Ghouls kill everyone
>TD: AYOOO VAULT KID YOU SO DIVERSE N' TOLERANT N SHEEEET
>>342739408
Why don't you just walk away from this discussion, Pete Hines?
>>342725136
Mandatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGXCisAaR4
>>342739671
>not killing three dog the second you meet him
at least the old lady who takes over just bitches he got killed and gets back to the tunes
>>342739701
So you only want to have a circle jerk?
Wew lad
>>342739778
Honestly I just enjoyed hearing him moan about how much of a demon turbo bitch I was.
>>342738095
>>342739408
>Tenpenny
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=2010
The quest is retarded.
>>342739778
Mr. New Vegas, unlike Three Dog to me is so ingrained into New Vegas the times when you're not hearing are so out of place. Like the DLCs
>>342740138
agreed.
Also the fact that its wayne newton, the real mr. vegas, is fucking awesome
would have killed to have the radio signal in big mountain, especially because 100% completion on that is a lengthy process and the level scaling is nuts
The Courier>Vault Dweller>Sole Survivor>Lone Wanderer>Chosen one
>>342739732
I should get a vinyl copy of Tango in the Night and ask Todd to sign it.
>>342740631
make sure you bring a stool for him so he can reach you
>>342734740
Vertibirds were around in chicago as well(from papers) and thats how the east coast enclave was supplied many
I kinda felt the enclave being eradicated in two was kinda cheap, not in the sense that it wasn't fun but felt kinda silly that the national guard outpaced the government that it responds to in terms of manpower, having a far flung enclave empire seems more likely as if the US government could survive a nuclear war and all the other shit I'm pretty sure they would have back ups as well if their oil rig exploded
>>342738095
All it has is a better Radio Selection
Combat is fairly shit as it is just walk up and shoot them,NV tries to switch it up with ammunition types and mods but it doesn't go too far
>>342732113
I wonder, what other games actually give unique dialog for failing a check rather than succeeding instead like in New Vegas?
Was one of my favorite things about the game
In 3, you can just walk around the wasteland and find a fight. In NV it seems like you really have to go out of your way for that; it made the world feel kinda dead. NV also had a lot fewer quests that had really good combat.
Other than that NV just seemed to have more of everything than 3. The writing in NV was also a lot better.
>>342739408
Tutorial was alright because it made the character deaths have a little more weight, but we still didn't spend enough time with Liam Neeson to give a fuck
Liberty Prime is fucking stupid, why would they need that when they were extremely low on resources and Power Armor was already winning the war for them
Ten penny is the only good choice quest but the karma attachment and Three Dog whining about you not letting the murderers in ruined it
>>342741150
I found NV's combat quests to be a lot more fun given how the game has a vastly larger variety in weapons and the combat system is flat out better
and while the gameworld did feel emptier the enemies in 3 felt, to me, incredibly repetitive
oh look yet another super mutant camp to tackle in exactly the same way as the last one
>>342741556
not too mention the locations in 3 were also repetitive
>every power station nearly identical, some completely identical down to the poster on the wall
>tunnel systems would be mirrored version of others, down to debris
>all the empty space in between satcoms in the northwest between nearly identical satellite towers
replaying it for the first time in a few years im noticing a lot of cheap shit Todd did
>this town was founded 200 years before the events of Fallout 3.
Am I the only one who finds that dialogue kind of sucks in both of them?
If you saw an option with something bracketed next to it, no matter what it's the best option, thus you don't really need to think about what to say to win a discussion
Unlike in 1/2 where speech gave you choices, but they didn't tell you that they were from it, so you actually had to think
>>342741556
I just wanted NV to have more missions like the super mutant vault in 3, where you just run in and shoot a ton of people. It's been almost a decade since I played 3, but I remember having an easier time finding things to shoot.
One other thing that bothered me about NV was how empty the cities felt. It's almost definitely a result of the shitty engine, but it's weird to walk into a massive casino with 5 people gambling.
>>342742313
giving players an unclear but weighted choice is the best way to make players interested in a game. I wonder if theres a new vegas mod that removes the brackets
>>342742313
On the surface, the first three games don't provide as much meta-information, but when you've played them for a bit, you realize that it's almost as obvious as being outright told.
There's even a skill in 1 and 2 that highlights the 'best' option in dialogue.
>>342742353
>frogposting
neck yourself
>FO3 states Liberty Prime was unfinished before the Great War
>FO4 states that Liberty Prime was fully operational and deployed in Anchorage
What did Emil mean by this
>>342742313
A lot of the skill check options are really dumb sounding though.
I think FNV is the better game, but the setting was dry as fuck (no pun intended), weak atmosphere, and the dlcs sucked. I also hated the main quest line after u get to the strip.
Fallout 3 had better atmosphere and a way better setting. The dlcs were actually fun too (except zeta).
>>342742042
to be fair though, they had a GECK and actually knew how to use it in addition to the vault providing them with a ready and constant power supply as well as relative lack of outside dangers
that said the DC area, as presented in FO3, only makes sense if you assume that due to being heavily nuked during the war it had turned into mini-glow and only became pseudo-habitable 20 or so years before the event of the game
its in fact incredibly how that assumption would explain virtually every single thing wrong with FO3
lets start with the lack of agriculture: assuming recent-habitation the surface would be relatively radiation free but the soil most decidedly would not resulting in it being incredibly difficult to grow anything.
Now as for the general state of the city, again assuming the mini-glow status it would make a lot of sense not a lot of high quality settlements would have arisen.
As for people actually having a reason to go to DC? Mini-glow again does a decent job of explaining that: high radiation kept everything in the city pristine making it a prime spot for salvaging that only recently got safe so you have a gold-rush type of immigration.
Now this gold-rush immigration would innately be a good explanation as for the general attitude of the population: their apparent unwillingness to make proper settlements, not clean up trash, lack of children, lack of permanent necessities etc. would all be the direct result of the fact that every single person who came to DC did so in hopes of striking rich, then LEAVING. Nobody actually wants to be there, they all just want to find that one artifact that sets them up for life in a better place.
Now the plan of your father also starts making more sense, the idea behind the purifier could easily be modified from just cleaning the water to cleaning the soil in a large radius at which point agriculture would become an option and would start the process of turning DC from a honey trap into a genuine society
>>342742042
Why does that female guard have big tits?
>>342742373
its sort of hilarious that the infinity engine would actually have done a better job presenting New Vegas than Gamebryo did
>Atmosphere
What does this even mean?
Is it the green filter on everything?
>>342731742
Do I really need to explain this yet again? I feel like I'm wasting my breath since you cretins never seem to take any efforts to absorb this. Oh well, here goes. Fallout 4 brought back the original post-apoc RPG SHOOTER (notice the emphasis) that made the series famous from since Fallout 3, the original. New Vegas had multiple aspects I just felt weren't really "in line" with the fallout lore in general. Alot of what made Fallout 4 such a relief was it's return to what Fallout was meant to be, like the setting (east coast) and the character building and whatnot. New Vegas gave me more of a barren desert vibe, along with its overly complicated skill systems and dialogue, it made me feel it was more intended for adults rather than the game's target audience. Overall, I think we're all grateful that Bethesda stuck with the lore rather than making a game with blatant ignorance of the prior ones (cough, cough, obsidian) and that Fallout 4 will go down as the greatest Fallout game (next to 3, of course).
>>342743112
>atmosphere
I hear that alot about FO3, but what exactly is FO3's atmosphere and how is it better than New Vegas'?
>>342742042
>200 years
it's actually 40 years you stupid nigger
>>342743524
depending on your source vault city was founded in either 2091 or 2092
>>342727607
they both literally have the same fucking gameplay, are you mental?
>>342743219
heck even the massive concentration of raiders could be explained even further by it
before DC became sort of habitable there was a period of a few decades where going in wouldn't immediately kill you with radiation poisoning but rather irradiate you enough to ensure you had only a few years to live afterwards so it attracted a bunch of truly desperate people who were willing to trade most of their shitty lives away for a shot at living big for a year or 4
this more often than not failed leaving people with very few prospects who'd then band together in hedonistic raider groups trying to make as much as they could out of their short lives at the expense of literally everyone else
and as for the brotherhood showing up? Official mission was "large amount of primitives and general wastlanders are plundering an area with a shitload of pre-war tech: stop them and secure the tech yourself"
then you can realistically have their mission evolve in a few years from, secure tech yourself to outsource securing tech to the hundreds of people already living there because DC is huge to the "lets help these folks" we got
>>342744165
Now explain the Talon Company
>>342743394
>fallout 3
>original
>new vegas not in line with fallout lore
>original setting (east coast)
>character building without traits
>the games target audience are children, not adults
New Vegas wins because of the crafting system, ammo system, incredible DLC, and aiming down sights; that's not to mention the other fine qualities. Fallout 3 would be better if it had these things, but New Vegas improved on an already good game in the best ways
>>342744665
the "kill good people for the sake of killing good people" aspect? Other than an edgelord hitting a literal pile of gold and deciding to have fun? I can't.
As a merc organization getting paid to keep the capitol wasteland a lawless place? Either they or a third party know about a vast amount of pre war weaponry and tech caches that haven't been found all throughout the wasteland. If some faction were to gain control over it they could more systematically search the area and would eventually stumble upon them. As said faction wants those caches for themselves they obviously don't enjoy that prospect.
Its a weak explanation I'll admit, way easier to explain the super mutants and the enclave.
>>342726889
>watch this for first time
>hey this guy is absolutely right, I wonder if he has any other good shit
>he's a completely badshit crazy feminazi
HOW? HOW CAN ONE MAN BE SO RIGHT AND SO WRONG AT ONCE?
>>342743451
Because Bethesda Fallouts are Post Apocalyptic while 1, 2 and NV are Post Post Apocalyptic
People play 3 first and think that everywhere must be an undeveloped shithole and then they play NV and there are communities and factions with territories and governments
>>342727980
It's so fucking DEEP
>>342725136
New Vegas wins.
No contest
OP here, I'm not sure if worth starting a new thread about it specifically but concerning Fallout 4, can anybody give me the verdict?
I don't have the ability to play it (laptop too shit, no consoles) but from what I hear, it doesn't have rewarding endings and the gameplay is more of the same, minus the sandboxy elements that I don't actually care about.
Does it even have Enclave?
>>342745834
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>342746757
No Enclave.
It feels like the most forgettable Fallout so far to me. Moreso than even 3.
Base building is meaningless, so is most weapon customization and while power armor could have been interesting, the abundance of cores make it a tool you can always use as soon as you get it.
There are a few interesting locations and quests but most of them are hindered by the shitty dialogue system and the writing that accompanies it.
>>342737680
Its almost as if NV was based in a wasteland, not treasure island.
Fallout 3 had the better exploration.
New Vegas had the better story.
>>342746757
>Does it even have Enclave?
NoI just want to have a sekrit club with the government and kill everyone else ;-;
>>342745205
Shit like Little lamplight is probably still impossible to explain.
WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS
>>342747704
Then why is it getting so much praise? Is it just another Skyrim that the normies are fawning over?
>>342747916
I did want to be in Enclave though
>>342748780
It has bethesda in it
Also waifus
And that's it, i'm not joking, i'm pretty sure they don't even like the shooting, so the only thing they play it for is for those 2 things
Even fucking skyrim is better than 4, fucking skyrim
>>342748780
It's Skyrim in terms of it's gameplay simplification but even worse than it in becoming a generic post-apocalyptic setting. The action combat improved more than Skyrim did but it watered down the rpg mechanics more than Skyrim did as well.
Skyrim at least still mostly felt connected to the Elder Scrolls universe. I have a hard time saying the same with Fallout 4.
