Is this series really that good or is it just nostalgia?
>>342705945
It's not anything special and it panders to the underage and mentally deficient
>>342706025
So it's like Sonic and Pokemon?
>>342705945
Depends on what you're asking of it.
>>342705945
It more or less defined the Action JRPG genre.
There are probably better versions of it now, but it was pretty unique when it first came out.
>>342705945
>Is this series really that good
II, BBS, DDD and arguably 358/2 Days are good.
KH 1 hasn't aged well, but it was a genuinely good title and it's still enjoyable if you can get past the camera controls.
Coded and Unchained X are pointless and boring.
CoM is irredeemable trash.
>>342707048
>CoM is irredeemable trash.
If by which you mean "Re: CoM is the best in the series," then yes
One and Two are incredibly fun games with varied environments, enemies and good length of playtime without feeling too long or short.
CoM is kinda meh, with the battle system relying on cards and a general "retread" of the first games worlds.
358/2 is kind of boring, but a fun ARPG for DS
not played the others. The organisation more or less ruin the series storywise and all of the clone bullshit, it's still fun for the disney characters and such though a lot of fanservice for both FF and Disney fans.
If you grew up during the 80's or 90's chances are you will enjoy kingdom hearts
>>342707048
>arguably 358/2 Days are good.
>CoM is irredeemable trash.
>>342707107
The original GBA version had godawful controls though.
>>342705945
A bit of both. It has fun gameplay (most of them, at least) but I don't see how you can stomach the incredibly childish and saccharine story if you're over the age of 18 unless you grew up with it.
>>342705945
The game are pretty good and fun. Days is the worst of the bunch.
I finally got the remixes and I just finished the first three worlds. Lots of color, action fighting style, silliness, and Disney locales are nice too. It's just a nice ride.
>>342705945
I still don't see the appeal of a final fantasy disney mix with horrendous, stale combat and nonsense story.
>>342707107
>>342707298
How do people like CoM? I'm curious.
To me the card system took away all fine control and had you either spamming cards constantly or cycling through trying to find something that would actually benefit you.
>>342705945
The original game is good.
The series is bad.
>>342707420
>I don't see how you can stomach the incredibly childish and saccharine story if you're over the age of 18 unless you grew up with it
Easy, you just don't go in expecting a top-caliber story and enjoy it for what it is. Not every work of entertainment you consume has to be a masterpiece of fiction.
Is it time yet?
>>342707107
Re:COM was atrocious for me. Maybe I was just terrible at the card system...
Either way, I didn't have fun.
>>342707479
1.5 fixed some issues that 1 had too. The fighting mechanics, movement and general control are very very high quality.
People can argue about the story, plot holes and lore all day, but from a pure play viewpoint the game handles like a dream.
>>342705945
Replaying the first one noe in the 1.5 collection. The story is cringy as fuck but you learn to love it. The gameplay in the first one is kinda clunky but it's pretty fun and I personally like the magic system from the first one better than any of the other games.
>>342705945
Actually, yes, the series is pretty fucking good. I recently purchased 1.5/2.5 and have been really enjoying them. I hadn't played 1 and 2 in years, but Jesus Christ, they're still incredibly fun, ESPECIALLY 2. Can't wait to play more of 2 tomorrow.
>>342707747
this the plot is trash but the mainline games are some of the most playable polished games you can buy
The games have an amazing comfy feel. Even playing some of the series I never tried recently, it still feels good. The songs are also relaxing. I wish I had more time to play DDD and two or three other ones... lost track of how many games there are.
>>342707847
1 and 2 are legit two of the best games of that generation.
>>342707675
But I at least want it to be a little above the level of Barney the Dinosaur.
>>342707720
Who is Xion?
>>342708063
I don't know what to tell you if you think those two are comparable.
>>342708148
I can't remember.
>>342705945
I have no strong emotional ties with KH games
, but I still consider them fun action RPGs.
I'd want to get KH3 at launch but then that feeling of having a "better" version coming soon scares me.
Or did SE stop doing that since FFXIII?
>>342710687
What better version of FFXIII exists?
>>342710742
that's what I meant, they stopped doing that since FFXIII right? At most we'd get KH3-2 right?
>>342710687
You mean a hypothetical Final Mix? I think that would be less likely now because of DLCs and shit. The Remixes were the first time the FMs had ever crossed overseas and they pretty much helped people to catch up. Extra bosses and shit will probably be more accessible.
>>342710806
I'm confused on what you're saying now, those were legitimate sequels to 13, not "better" versions of the base game.
>>342707420
>Start
>down
>X
What story?
>>342710926
yeah my bad on making you confused
basically what I'm asking is that they aren't gonna make final mixes or "international" versions right? (I sorta consider them the same due to how similar they tend to be in giving bonus stuff)
I didn't mean to compare XIII to say, XII-International Zodiac Version. I just thought that's what they're doing now, rather than making a bonus version they instead make a sequel.
>2016
>still playing kingpoop farts
>>342711317
>2016
>still NOT playing kingpoop farts
>>342711454
like clockwork
>>342711069
I think that a chance of a Final Mix is slimmer than it used to be because of the DLC thing that I mentioned. Back when KH started doing those, DLC wasn't really a thing.
>Fight an easier version of Terra's final boss
>Fight an absurdly easy final boss
>Cutscene
Just beat BBS, loved it but that final episode is just trash.
>>342711595
I dunno, even with the age of DLC they managed to make SF4 and SSF4
>>342711658
Oh my God I forgot how bad Aqua's hair used to look.
It withstood the test of time a lot better than most contemporary action RPGs and is still both fun and challenging. Waiting 15 years to wrap up the saga is rather maddening though.
>>342711695
You never know with Nomura. Especially after he's been drinking.
Every game in the series could be a masterpiece, but there's always a very specific, very large flaw holding each of them back.
>KHI - clunky combat and terrible camera
>CoM - card battle system just doesn't work
>KHII - abysmal writing, even by the series' standards
>BBS - poor handling of the way the multiple protagonists work
>DDD - Dream Eater grinding
I didn't include Coded or Days because fuck those games up and down.
>>342711880
>poor handling of the way the multiple protagonists work
What, compared to DDD it worked out fine.
so how many xehanorts are there
also I guess it's a good thing they managed to "revert" old xehanort into his young form, may your soul rest in peace you logical vulcan
>>342711945
I think that they should have at least shared the journal between TAV.
>>342711880
KH2 also had even worse level design than KH1, which wasn't very good to begin with.
>>342707048
>358/2 Days even remotely close to being good
>>342711989
He wants 13 for his plan to work. I think he's got 12 currently?
psstI thought Chain of Memories on the GBA was really cool
>>342711992
Trinity Journal is on the main menu, isn't it?
>>342711989
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/KingdomHeartsXehanortsIncarnations
>>342711880
Hey, fuck you. Re:coded is actually good.
>>342706025
/Thread
>>342712079
No, I'm talking about having to get the commands/stickers/blah blah 3 separate times.
>>342712024
>>342712081
I'm so confused right now
Why is the one vital to the plot bad and the seemingly pointless cellphone shit good
>>342705945
Only autistics manchilds play that shit
>>342712137
They're both DS games though
>>342712137
They're both vital to the plot. Just in different ways. And Re:coded is practically the funnest command deck game.
1:FM is eh but the story makes sense
2:FM is fantastic, but the story gets fucking dumb
>>342712064
oh right, I forgot the "real" XIII
so we got
1 - the real young him
2-4 - the three XIII members
who are the others? do the defeated Nobody and Heartless Xehanorts count?
>>342712079
so 3 of the "fake" XIII ended up being possessed by him
>>342712137
>one vital to the plot
Not really. The game revolves less around Roxas' time in the Organization and more around Xion's time. It just sticks out especially seeing as how she was created for the game and wasn't totally a prior concept.
>>342712223
Yes. Xemnas and Ansem, SoD are a part of the real Org XIII.
>>342711945
Same guy. I actually really liked the Drop system in 3D and thought it was a dramatic improvement. I hated how each of the three protagonists of BBS had to be played on a seperate file, so instead of passing off the baton between characters with the same basic level of progress, you had to re-watch cutscenes in the hopes of seeing some minor differences, and perform the same actions over and over to re-acquire everything. By the time I had to play my third character, I was just going down the checklist in my head. Go to the Command Board and get Ragnarok, buy and level up a bunch of Fire spells, buy another Dodge command and fuse it, etc. It really started to lose me.
Terra > Aqua > """Ventus"""
>>342712306
I don't recall BBS removing me from a boss battle because I didn't feel like going off to fight a bunch of mobs right at the other characters' climax.
>>342705945
gameplay is great, story is ass.
>>342712296
still, that's only 8 if we count old Xehanort, Ansem, Xemnas, and Terra-Xehanort
>>342712078
Chain of Memories has, in my opinion, the best writing of the entire series by a HUGE margin. I think the game's pretty underrated overall, but the battle system was awful. I can easily see why most people just skipped it.
What I can't stand is when people skip CoM and then say Axel is their favorite character anyway. Fucking why? Why are people so enamored with the KHII version that does fucking nothing except pine for his ex-boyfriend?
>>342707048
>II...are good
Even the remake only made it barely enjoyable.
>Hey let's make a KH sequel and rip out everything fun about the first game and bloat it with cutscenes to make up for it
>>342712475
>Hey if you go into this place you start to forget things
>Oh no we forgot things
>Riku was there too
>>342712443
Terranort is up in the air due to mechanics in the lore but so far:
Old Xehanort
Young Xehanort
Saix/Isa
Xigbar/Braig
Xemnas
Ansem, SoD
Everyone else is up in the air. There seem to be clues on the chessboard from E3 last year, but who knows with Nomura.
>>342705945
KH2 is excellent, everything else is meh.
>>342712404
I don't remember 3D doing that either. Maybe you need to manage your time better, or not get your ass kicked so that you have enough points to buy the upgrades in the Drop Shop.
Admittedly, the main reason I ended up liking it was because I forced myself to send Riku and Sora to different worlds in the beginning, so Sora went to The Grid while Riku was at Notre Dame, and vice-versa. I probably would have thought it tedious otherwise.
>>342705945
It's great. Of course it's not for everyone. Not for jaded individuals who think enjoying "childish" things makes you somehow inferior.
>>342712560
>Sora is Xehanort
>>342712653
That's nuts.
>>342712653
Eh, 3D pretty much tossed that idea out. They actually did try that though.
>>342712701
Oh they did? How?
The combat system was fun.
>>342712720
Xehanort basically rigged the Mark of Mastery test to set Sora up, which causes him to fail the test by the way, and they tried to make him a vessel, but to be fair to them they had to move down the list of potential candidates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjcPorluPRw
>>342712720
Xehanort's had Sora bugged since at least KHII, and in 3D they tried to brainwash him but failed thanks to Riku's intervention. It's because of this that he failed the Keyblade Mastery Exam.
>>342712575
I hate that they introduced that stupid scrolling text bar though. And that they removed tech exp.
>>342712865
>>342712898
well at least they made him try again
>>342705945
Kingdom Hearts 1 hasn't aged that well, its a fine game on its own, but it of all the games in the series it shows its age the most.
Kingdom Hearts 2 initial release was alright, not much content and the game wasn't very challenging at all. It was more remembered for its stupidly complicated plot.
Then KH2FM came out and changed everything, critical mode was challenging and very rewarding to play, with even more difficultly options such as a no exp run. We also got a plethora of new content, 8 completely new bosses to fight and 14 new super bosses that could keep challenging anytime you want(initial release had 1 super boss and you couldn't refight him).
DDD/BBS are also pretty good games, but they are handheld games so don't expect the quality of KH2FM, but there are fans that like those games more then the console games. The rest are only good for a youtube video if you want to know what happened in those games.
>>342711880
>card battle system just doesn't work
In what way does it not work? You get your attack and you use up a card. You can stack the cards to make a special attack. The value of the card determines if the attack works or not, and in boss battles it's a game of breaking cards to get attacks in while keeping cards sleighted to break and do massive damage.
I honestly don't get the complaints, I get you want to just mash and have more usage over your magic I guess, but its system works just fine once you learn it, it still requires you to be on your toes dodging and setting up combos, and boss cards help tremendously to keeping the button mashing if you want it for a while with next to no detriment to you.
>Re;Coded
>Bad gameplay
>Literally the best usage of command deck/style changes/level up system that lets you choose how strong you want to be and in what areas on top of modifying literally every battle value you could ask for.
Yeah, you're basically retreading old ground for the third time, and the bug sections get repetitive after a while, but the game itself is fun.
>>342711069
Any new content will likely be dlc. Even if there is japanese exclusive "final mix version", you can just import the game, ps4 is region free. Japanese version uses english audio so you only need to learn to navigate the menu's.
>>342707048
BBS has shit story and gameplay
358 is boring as fuck
2 is the only really good gameplay
1 is still enjoyable
>>342712560
so watching the vid, we still see unknown Xehanorts
so killing "Ansem" and Xemnas didn't really kill them since we see them in the XIII throneroom?
>>342707107
CoM was ok
Re:CoM was the worst KH yet (that includes Re:Coded)
The gameplay was meant for 2D, not 3D with shit camera
>>342707571
Same here.
The card system killed the combat.
>>342712325
The only thing I didn't like about Terra was his story is Star Wars Episode 3.
Every last detail. He even becomes fucking Vader at the end.
>>342713257
What was wrong with the story in BBS? Are you one of those faggots who can't handle a tragedy?
>>342713257
>BBS has shit story and gameplay
>literally the best gameplay yet, with one of the best story
Are you retarded ? Did you even play the game ?
>>342713295
More like he dies, but had gotten so corrupted by darkness that his empty armor beat the shit out of his killer.
>>342713257
>BBS has shit story
I liked the story and those 3 fuck ups.
>>342713267
According to the lore, true death is something different than what happened to those characters. The lore also establishes that when a person's Heartless and Nobody are both destroyed, the original person comes back. This is why there's an issue with Terra/Terra-Xehanort as they are not present in that scene.
>>342706069
This is probably the best comparison that I've ever seen. Hit the nail on the head.
>>342705945
Only played the final mix versions for KH 1 & 2 and honestly they were some of the best fun I ever had. Story-wise was a little meh but loved seeing the Disney characters I grew up.
>>342713356
true enough, I know of the "heartless/nobody being killed returns the person" thing, but I thought Terranort would be one of those hooded figures, but I guess he isn't
So I guess KH3 is killing each Xehanort then?
>>342713257
While some of the balancing might not be so great in BbS, the core mechanics are great and the controls are smoother compared to 2.
>>342713469
DDD was already that, pitting you against Xemnas, Ansem and YX. In KH3 they're probably going to fuse into the Real Xehanort or something.
>>342713469
>I thought Terranort would be one of those hooded figures, but I guess he isn't
He still could be, the issue is whether or not he came back as himself with Old Xehanort time traveling in that scene too, or if he came back and had been separate back out into Old Xehanort and Terra. He could just be hiding them. Old Xehanort makes a implication about still having one of protags under his control in some sort of way.
>>342713524
Old Xehanort is the real and original Xehanort. Young Xehanort is just his younger version. Xemnas and Ansem, SoD are the result of the split of Terra-Xehanort.
>>342713604
Yeah, but he's old. The Real Xehanort being the one between old and young.
>>342713474
I wouldn't go that far. Going straight from HKII to BBS, I found the attack animations to be a bit more stiff, and I had a harder time closing gaps with the enemy with my melee attacks. The fact that you can't get abilities like Slapshot to improve your basic attack strings really makes the BBS cast feel much less mobile than Sora was. I did really like the Command Styles though, and I hope that the transformations we've seen in the KHIII trailers work in a similar way.
>>342713663
I'm not getting what you mean by "real" in this case. The whole reason Xehanort took over Terra's body was to circumvent his age/his risk of death from old age. If he can just use versions of himself from across time and/or body hop, why would he combine those versions?
>Fell in love with KH1 when I was 9
>Thought KH2 was amazing when I was a teen
>Went out of my way to play CoM,Days and BBS and had an ok time
>Play 1.5 this year and have nostalgic fun but cringe at the constant "deep" Jap conversations.
>Only play 2.5 for a few hours because I can't take the stupid story bullshit and subpar level design
Feels bad that I grew up before I got a chance to finish the series. Why do Japs insist on putting all that dialogue about nothing in their games?Hurr light and darkness lives in your heart through the power of friendship. Only the purity within you can stand against nothingness to become one again
>>342713852
He can't. He can go back in time and chat up a younger version of himself, it's still not him. That's the whole point of his plan in BBS, to regain a powerful body.
>>342705945
It's comfy as fuck. It's is very melodramatic, but in an endearing way. The first game that is.
2 is still good, but it wears on you. Re:Chain of memories has a great story, but gameplay doesn't translate as well from gba to ps2.
It's definitely worth getting into for most people.
>>342713965
I did say that he could body hop too anon. I'm just saying that "combining" versions of himself to make a real Xehanort makes not a lot of sense, from any angle.INB4 KH makes no sense anyway!
>>342707107
>Re: CoM is the best in the series
>Literally takes everything the GBA version has and makes it worse.
>Adds two more map cards to the already gigantic list, one which is absolute garbage and only throws default shadows at you with nothing in it but it's a huge room but at least a dozen encounters, and the other is so rare you'd only use it for endgame doors.
>The largest maps in GBA with the most encounters are equal to the smallest map with the lowest encounters in Re which means every map you enter is now a complete and utter hassle to go through.
>Enemies now come in a minimum of three to five waves of 5+ enemies a wave and due to this the EXP drops from encounters are driven straight to the ground.
>Because of the 3D playground it's now more annoying to actually catch up to the enemies.
Even if you kill every single Heartless in every single map you make you will be at a lower level than someone who just half assed it on the GBA version and weaker because of it.
>Moogle points are nerfed like crazy, in GBA you could clear out a page of a Moogle's inventory in about two or three floors, in Re even if you smack every object in every map you will only be able to afford a single page maybe once every four to five floors.
>Bosses are made significantly easier than their GBA counterparts due to the gigantic arenas you're now placed into.
Just look at how easy Dark Riku, Marluxia, and Vexen are made now, though Marluxia was already pretty easy on GBA as it was.
>Doesn't let you carry more than 99 map cards for whatever reason which means you still have to piss away cards and eventually grind for some.
>Card combos, particularly Cloud, Blizzaga, Thundaga, and Firaga are made completely worthless now thanks to the huge arenas in comparison to the tiny groupings of the GBA version so you only really use Curaga and use it to break.
Simba is the only one who got better.
Re makes me mad, it was a chore to go through that after how much I played the GBA version.
>>342714057
I'm willing to bet money that there will be an "ultimate" version of Xehanort to fight because that's almost specifically what we've been promised.
>>342713956
>Why do Japs insist on putting all that dialogue about nothing in their games?
To understand this you need to consider the target audience of these games and Square games in general.
Of course it's good. The story and writing are meh, soras an ok character at best, but the gameplay and combat are great, have depth and complexity while being fast enough with enough different enemies to be engaging every time
>>342714221
Are they generally immature or something? But even playing through a series like MGS, I can stomach the "deep" dialogue for one playthrough even though it goes over my head. But on a second playthrough I wanna throw my controller at the screen everytime somebody opens their mouth
>>342707571
>spamming cards
>cycling
that's why you fucking build a good deck.
Once you understand how the cards work, the game is fucking fun as hell.
Believe me, I used to think like you.
>>342714283
The enemies are what got me into the game in the first place. I love the enemy designs, it's a shame most of the late game bosses are mostly nomura's ocs instead of high level heartless/nobodies.
its fucking gay as hell
id be seriously disappointed if my son took interest in this.
>>342714468
I agree with you. The first time I played COM I hated it and it felt so limiting. Then I revisited it and actually gave a fuck about the deck and it was actually pretty fun. It would've been nice if they had made it a battle system for an original ip. I'd like to see the concept being improved on.
>>342714393
That's just shit writing in general. Kojima pilfers most of his brilliant ideas from movies anyway.
>>342705945
It is that special, otherwise I wouldn't be play a game from it's franchise every other month.
>>342706025
Consider suicide
>>342714780
Your wife's son, you mean?
