Seriously though, why do you continue being an EOP? You get games months after Japanese release, often with shitty dubs and even with kek censorship.
And you know Persona 5 is next.
>>342663484
>Seriously though, why do you continue being an EOP?
I took steps to end that three years ago. Too bad Persona 3 and 4 killed my interest in Persona 5, I'll be playing SMT IV Final in September instead.
>>342663484
what does EOP mean?
>>342663786
English Only Pleb
But it's used for anyone that doesn't know Japanese. no matter what other (useless) languages you might know.
>>342663484
I wonder why people who do know Japanese end up being frustrated about those who don't
The japanese written language is so fucking complex is blows my mind
I can learn a spoken language in a matter of a couple months but most written languages with non romanic characters are very difficult for me, and japanese is pretty much the hardest one out there
I like that you made a Persona thread just to say "EOP" again because you didn't get replies in the hashtag Fire Emblem thread.
>>342663980
Not everyone does. People like OP are either just early learners stroking their own ego, or are just the type of person who like showing off.
>>342664106
It's not that bad, but it is really weird at times. And vague as shit.
>>342663980
Frustration? I'm just recommending you a way to enjoy more games, and better. If anything, it's preachy.
>>342664130
:-)
Fuck off weeb.
>>342664106
try chinese
>>342664898
Chinese seems simpler, honestly. They don't handle hanzi in the most retarded way possible, and I've heard that tenses are easier. I'd like to study it, but I've got absolutely no use for Chinese and can't think of anything I could use it for aside from Kung-Fu movies.
If neptunia didn't get censored I doubt P5 will song isn't Nintendo.
1. I'm a lazy cunt.
2. I don't give a single fuck about voice-acting in videogames and every single one could use the Chaos Wars dub crew for all I care.
>>342665856
>chaos wars
holy shit lol
>>342665679
And Japanese handles kanji in a retarded way?
>>342663484
Because I don't give a shit about dumb weeb games.
>>342665984
Terribly fucking retarded. There's 13 ways to pronounce some of them, unlike Chinese where there's usually one, two max. You generally know how to pronounce things in Chinese, you don't have to look it up because you forgot how to pronounce 明 in the word 明かり.
>>342666327
But I would never forget 明かり. The idea is that you don't learn kanji alone, but words. So you learn the word "akari" and along with it its kanji. Well, the most common one at first - 明かり. Later maybe the less common kanji if they exist (灯り), and the differences in meanings or nuances, if there are any.
>>342666563
>But I would never forget 明かり
You missed the point. I don't have a problem with that either, but there have been many times where I know what a word means, but damned if I can remember how to pronounce it. I remember some of the pronunciations of the kanji, but not the correct ones. It's really not a problem in Chinese. Learning with words is a good way to do it, yes, but you're going to forget. Sure, once you've had common words pounded into your head it seems easy, but it could be handled a lot better. There's no reason for shit like pic related.
>238 days left
>>342667049
>>342666950
>but you're going to forget
Projection, you don't know what my memory is like
>>342666950
As far as this kanji goes, I remember several compunds where it's read せい or しょう, and then the variants of いきる, うむ and はえる and also なま. I admit that for なる (and なす), I only had 成る-成す and 為る-成す in my mind. Not that either of these is common though, especially 成す and 為る.
I agree that 生 is a rather extreme example of what you talk about, but if you study diligently and keep exposing yourself to Japanese material for natives, you're not gonna forget.
>>342667192
There are thousands of kanji just in common use, not to mention the tens of thousands that aren't used very often. You've forgotten them, you can not tell me that you've only needed to see a kanji once to remember everything about it. Or a word. People forget, it's human nature, it's literally impossible for a person to remember everything. If you're saying it's not, you're some chuuni shit.
>>342667454
Yeah I'm not saying it's super hard or anything, I'm well past the point where I have problems with most common kanji, but I can still see that it could have been handled a lot better than it has been.
>>342667454
>為る-成す
For posterity, this should be 為る-為す.
And clarification about occurence. 成る and 為す I see somewhat often in literature, not so much 成す and 為る.
>>342667641
Yeah, obviously it could be better. But after enough study, you'll stop worrying about this. I rememver when I used to think Japanese would be better if it only used hiragana. That's a delusion I quickly abandoned.
>>342667641
>you can not tell me that you've only needed to see a kanji once to remember everything about it. Or a word.
>Or a word
This can be said of every single language literally ever in the history of mankind
At the end of the day every single language is memorization.
The only "learning" is understanding grammar.
Beyond that point it's beating words into your head until you remember them.
Congratulations you cracked the code.
>>342668068
>This can be said of every single language literally ever in the history of mankind
I never even implied otherwise. You're still missing the point. It amazes me how dense some people can be.
>>342668585
The point being that Japanese isn't, uh, as optimized as other languages?
Boo fucking hoo, too late to change it now
>>342668687
You're acting like I'm mad and complaining about the language when I merely stated that Chinese doesn't handle hanzi as badly. I can't believe I of all people am saying this, but you need to socialize more so you don't embarrass yourself like this if you ever have to go out into public.
>>342668901
>Chinese doesn't handle hanzi as badly.
>the language that invented the system does it better than the language that adopted the system and applied it to a completely different set of language sounds and grammatical structure
Whoa holy shit you're rockin' my fuckin' world dude
Really breaking the mold anon
>>342663484
>EOP
I speak three languages, pleb.
>>342669856
Sure helps you with enjoying Japanese games, EOP.
>>342669956
I do enjoy Japanese games, I've been playing several the last few hours.
Also
>EOP
>english only
>clearly stated, speak 3 languages
For someone who knows Jap(what an achievement, faggot) your reading comprehension is at the level of a 1st grader.
Back to school, pleb.
Abjads and languages that use characters like Japanese and Chinese are outdated methods to write languages.
>>342669197
The interesting thing too is that Japanese and Chinese are in two completely different language families so it's even funnier that the Japanese adopted the way they write and modified it rather than going a different direction. Though I don't really know the history of the region so they could have been under Chinese rule at some point which would make it more understandable.
Vietnamese and I think Korean also at one point used Chinese characters which is another case of unrelated languages adopting writing systems that don't really work with their languages. At least now they both have their own writing systems.
>>342670304
You're a newfag, so you don't know, but in the context of an English thread about Japanese games, any other languages you know are ignored and you're still an EOP.
That's why I said they don't help you with enjoying Japanese games, EOP friend.
Btw, what are those languages. Anything interesting at least?
>>342670541
>youre a newfag
Oh look plebbit is still trying to defend his wasted hours studying a language. No one cares faggot.
>>342670510
>Though I don't really know the history of the region so they could have been under Chinese rule at some point which would make it more understandable.
No, Japan never was under Chinese rule. There have been times when Chinese influence on Japan was very strong, peaking in 8th century, but Japan was never under its rule.
Korean has hangul, which is a good system for it, but Vietnamese uses roman letters (with transliteration based on French), which is terrible for it. The differences in tone are only marked by small dots or other small marks and it's a mess.
>>342670846
You seem very mad, EOP. I bet you feel like hot shit for knowing three generic West Europe languages, huh?
>>342663484
>Being this much of a weeb that you hate your own native language/s
Now be a good japanese person and kill yourself
>>342670986
Who are you quoting?
>>342670986
English isn't my native. What now, clapper?
>>342663484
If I knew Japanese I wouldn't use it to play utter garbage like Persona. I'd be translating stuff/porn for money.
>>342670975
>west europe languages
>all that grasping
Kek, keep telling yourself those wasted hours means something.
>>342663484
at least the next Japanese game I am looking forward to will be immune to that because it's getting an SECA release.
Just have to worry about questionable subs. Seriously, who the fuck uses "animus"?
![vietnamese_mandatory[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/HLs7ZNS.gif "vietnamese_mandatory[1].gif")
>>342670880
Vienamese looks weird written but I still think it's better than pictographs/kanji. Do you have any suggestions of a better method for writing it other than those two? Maybe just a different way of spelling words that's better than the French based way they used when the writing system was created?
>>342671196
>>342670975
>>342670846
>>342670541
Stop fighting.
>>342671219
They could have kept Chinese characters. If it works in Chinese, if would in Vietnamese.
>>342664106
>>342664106
That describes learning any language outside the language family of one you know. Japanese is only hard for English learners because it's so structurally different from what they know. Japanese learners have issues with English but could learn Chinese and Korean much more quickly.
>>342663484
As a general rule, I actually like and prefer the dubs. Japanese is an ugly language.
>>342671719
As a linguist, I just have to say: What are you even talking about, you speak English. It's a fucking nightmare compared to most other languages out there, including moon, in terms of syntax, semantics and morphology.
>>342672042
He didn't say anything about the complexity, just that he doesn't like how the language sounds. And I agree. I don't like Japanese either. Or French.
>>342672243
French is so gross
Japanese sounds great though
![[HorribleSubs] Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.22_[2015.07.31_08.47.28].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mgZLufi.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.22_[2015.07.31_08.47.28].jpg")
>>342672042
If we're talking about syntax and such, I prefer German, but it doesn't sound as pleasing to the ear as English does.
I will say this at least: Japanese sounds better than French.
>>342663484
has it been confirmed that they are going to cut content from the game?
Also ain't the Persona series one of the biggest for Atlus?
Also which of their games have they fucked with in terms of cutting content away except for the Nintendo published Tokyo Mirage Sessions.
I just want to know.
>>342673076
Off handedly, in terms of censorship and such, anything related to Nazis, including Hitler, was censored. Blame Germany for that one.
I think some crosses got changed to be something else, though I may be thinking of Dragon Warrior for that one.
>>342673076
TMS was handled by NoA pretty much
Atlus is not that big into really censoring things or cutting content just because is not right. They will indeed make subtle changes, however that's pretty much it.
>>342674090
But wasn't Hitler put back inn in re-release of persona 2 psp? The crosses stuff is something they've(jap publishers in general) have taken out religious symbolism especially Christianity and Islam.
I generally don't feel SMT is lacking when it comes to content, they tell their story either with how lackluster it is or with how good it is. With the Nazi stuff I think it was Persona 2 if it was not the sequel that got that stuff out, but I do believe it was a non-release because I do remember the whole marketing for the psp remakes or versions of the 2 original persona's where the whole experience the first ones, ect.
It was at-least with the time after 4 became a huge success.
>>342674090
>>342675307
Never mind, it was CERO censorship, so they got away with it because they called him fuhrer instead of Adolf Hitler and had him in sunglasses. Because I've not seen the "Persona 2: Innocent Sin" was not sold in Germany I believe, it was only in America and Japan.
Because the CERO classification states that one can't have real people with a background in a fictional environment/universe.
>>342663484
I preordered the import of P5 yesterday. Price was higher than I liked, but still cheaper than a special edition would have been. Looking forward to September/
>>342663484
I've got the Jap Collector's Edition and the NA Take Your Heart Edition pre-ordered, the Jap version just to fuck around in because I'm impatient, and the NA version to actually take my time and know what the fuck is going on in.
>>342678542
Pretty retarded desu. Why buy an expensive game you can't actually play?
Youre on a board with bunch of retarded rules that act as a form of censorship, why is it only now an issue?
>>342678298
Are you trying to say your stupid ass bikini thing matters to anything?
>>342678118
Except unlike African kids 4chan rules are actually relevant with your daily life. And involve censorship. So yeah, your fallacy is total shit and beyond irrelevant.
>Acting like having some things changed in a video game that botched up 1 quest, and 1 dungeon and censored some anime tiddies is the end of the world and SRS BSNS
Terrorists kiling faggots because of their faith.
Greedy corporate fags stealing all the wealth.
Inevitable Oil Shortage
Overpopulation
Ebola
Impending worldwide civil unrest.
Nah, localized video games with censored anime tiddies are on the top of the priority list.
KYS
>>342678542
same here. i got the famitsu 250 though
>>342678958
wrong thread anon
>>342663786
It's some bullshit term weebs made up so they can feel superior because they learned the language of a culture that openly looks down on them.
>>342680194
Cool inferiority complex.
>>342663484
Japanese is a really cool language that I'd like to learn not just for games but older literature as well. I tried to learn it a few years ago, still have Hiragana and Katakana memorised really well, but once I hit Kanji my motivation was shattered.
Funny, had I taken the initiative I'd probably know the language really well now. I wish I could turn back time.
>>342680781
>older literature as well
How old are you talking about?
>>342680781
its never too late anon!
>>342681080
60s, 70s, anything too far back and I'm sure I'd need to learn century old Kanji.
>>342681094
Of course it's not too late, but even with the jap learning thread on /a/ I don't really know how to get started on Kanji.
I have grammar down pat (i think), but I don't like Anki for kanji and vocab and I hate reps. I need to find a more natural method of language learning.
For now I'll just go back to trying to write out coherent sentences. I'll try Lang-8 again.
>>342663484
>Japanese language
is not that hard to understand, everybody's lazy or nobody got times for doing that shit
>>342681409
>I need to find a more natural method of language learning
It's called reading.
>>342682000
Shit, I've never thought of that before. Idea kinda intimidates me, though
