>the Mohave doesnt get cold/snow at night
shit gamw 0/10 completely unrealistic
>>342582957
>the nuclear desert wasteland doesn't get cold
>>342583796
>he doesnt know that the desert gets cold at night
>accidentally walk into an NCR area wearing powder ganger gear
>figure I might as well start getting hated by them
>kill them
>no reputation loss
>kill everyone
>no reputation loss
Holy shit I have 672 hours in this game and just now do I learn this crucial element
Maybe I should have actually read that tutorial
>>342583796
>i'm retarded and I don't know how weather and climate works
>>342582957
Alright makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
>>342583927
Huh, didn't know that either
mojave mo problems
NUCLEAR WINTER
U
C
L
no fuck this im too lazy for this shit
>>342584115
>neither george noory nor art bell hosted a radio station in new vegas
talk about a missed opportunity
>>342583974
I forgot you were an expert on the climate of a fictional planet that has been completely nuked to fuck and back by crazy fictional atom bombs
these threads got me back into playing, sure the freehand shooting is ass, but hey it's still a better RPG than Fallout 4
>>342584358
>freehand shooting
Wat
>>342584173
We got fucking Mr Las Vegas, what more do you want
>nuclear fallout doesn't obscure the sun and make it really cold
>game is literally called fallout
>>342584358
if you ;ioke fallout 4 quick loot then look into the mod that adds it to new vegas
>>342584387
shooting without vats and ironsights
>fire eight 20gauge rounds at someone wearing clothing
>they take a fraction of their health
>do it in vats
>they die in one-two hits
>>342584404
>some washed up TV actor
>rather than one of two well known and acclaimed life long radio show hosts
>no mod where it's below 0 at night where it's far more dangerous, obscured view and only equipped raiders and mutants + mutated animals are out, most humans barricade themselves in at night
>>342584502
Something to do with the ammo type you're using? I tend to stay away from VATS due to how nerfed it is, not overpowered.
>literally no use apart from scouting the area
>>342584460
I'm okay with FO4 existing because it gave us this mod.
>>342584502
Don't play on Very Hard, look into mods that reduce player's health instead of bloating enemies' health. JSawyer is a good place to start.
>>342583974
>i'm a retard and I don't know how nuclear radiation works
>>342584437
That happened for the first 10-20 years after the bombs fell.
The skies were black and it was nothing but radioactive storms raining down, killing most plantlife and animals.
People seem to forget (Including Bethesda) that Fallout is now currently set over 200 years after the war. Compare fallout 3 and 4 to fallout 2, 50 years earlier in a much worse part of the world, having electricity, new buildings, new paved roads, streetlights, grass and parks rebuilt.
Meanwhile in Bethesda land every citizen is a retard who doesn't bother to patch holes in their shitty shack or sweep rubble from their floors.
>>342584460
I've been using that, it's really great and a huge improvement to the game as a whole because of the way it functions
It literally removes the wait time for opening a contain in the traditional sense, if you hit transfer there is no pause, you go straight to the screen because the items are always loaded
>>342584584
>>342584606
I'm using regular 20gauge rounds and not using any difficulty mods, I'm only normal difficulty
Seriously, shotguns in new vegas are ass outside of vats, even if you're standing behind someone with ironsights you STILL might not hit them with every pellet.
>>342583841
>he knows that the fictional radiated wasteland gets cold at night
???
Does this helmet go well with any piece of armor? It looks dumb with everything I try to match it with.
>>342583841
How do you know it DOESNT get cold at night in the Mojave wasteland? Theres no temperature metre or anything
>>342584727
That's strange because I played on Normal and I used the Single Shotgun and it one-shot Powder Gangers at like 20-30 meters without stealth crits. I also killed a Cazador at level 2 with it. Shotguns are actually very powerful - what kind of a human enemy are you trying to kill and what shotgun do you use? Is it in a good condition?
>>342584028
Way to fuck that up.
>>342584843
Does the caravan shotgun have a bigger spread?
BIG IRON
>>342584727
>Seriously, shotguns in new vegas are ass outside of vats
I can easily floor a feral reaver from 10 yards even if I'm bored and in 3rd person perspective making bank shots, using base hunting shotgun with a choke and slugs no other buffs on Hard.
>people arguing about how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls
>>342584885
I never used it! I went from Single Shotgun/Varmint Rifle to 9mm SMG to Service Rifle briefly, then I killed Legionnaires in Nipton and got a Cowboy Repeater. Anyway, Riot Shotgun (the top tier one) with both shotgun perks is THE most broken gun in FNV (to the point where it's not even fun), and hunting shotgun is very accurate and good.
>>342584965
>talking mutands and ghouls
>not realistic
t. mutant
>>342582957
>implying
https://a.pomf.cat/vrqqtn.mp4
>>342583841
Las Vegan here.
It's currently 87 fucking degrees at 2:00 AM
it feels like 95 fucking degrees tho.
at 2:00 fucking A M
>>342585085
I bet italmost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
>>342585085
get nuked faggot i hopew someone bombs barberton ohio till its nothing but flat earth
>>342582957
>>342582957
There's no heat/cold mechanics in New Vegas. Probably did get cold at night. Not like the Pip-boy has a thermometer.
Actually, come to think of it, why the fuck doesn't it have a thermometer? It has a goddamned Geiger counter, but not a thermometer. It would have been neat to see the temperature in the beating sun, and see it drop at night. Could have added to the Hardcore mode mechanics.
>>342584909
Speaking of revolvers I had a cool idea for a future fallout game
When using any revolver in vats, instead of reloading you'll pocket your gun and pull out a second of the same kind if you have one in your inventory, this will be ultimately faster than reloading normally
Any shots beyond 6 will cost half AP, 12 if you're duel weilding
>>342584727
Spread of shotties literally depends on the ammo you're using.
>>342585085
I'd say you need a big iron on your hip
>>342585191
because your mother gets triple penetration in hell
>>342585191
>It would have been neat to see the temperature in the beating sun, and see it drop at night.
When you are making a game on a limited timeframe and budget you don't just add in every thing that "would be neat". Doubly so when you're working with a fiddly engine which spazzes out at the smallest alterations.
>>342585283
I'm aware of this. A thermometer just seems like a basic feature that a device like the Pip-boy would come standard with. I'm fully aware of the hurdles that Obsidian had to jump to work with Beth's shitshow of a tool set.
What is the most american hat in the game?
I can get cold but snow? does the Mojave really have that much precipitation you can realistically see snow? Because it seems like hot or cold, its still a fucking desert
>>342584965
I love how Pete hines thinks TALKING MUTANTS of all things is unrealistic
Maybe he should learn what a mutant is
>>342585529
we get snow every half decade++ or so odd years
last time i remember snow down here was in 2010-2011
>>342585283
Well it's a good thing they didn't have to worry about bugs, as Bethesda did all the QA and bug fixing/testing
Wait, what's that? NV reviews are all saying the game is good but suffers from bugs? Only one point shy of 85 on metacritic? Awww, that's too bad :^]
>>342585625
that's what I thought, so while it should be cold at night, it snowing every night would be just as retarded as a hot nighttime desert
problem is, the engine sucks monkey balls at conveying temperature without props like snow
Thinking of getting back into New Vegas but I have to get all of my mods back. FOMM > NMM right?
>>342585535
It's what happens when people who don't give a shit about sci-fi are in charge of anything related to it. Executives seem to think that people can't tell the difference. They push shitty, stupid sci-fi all the goddamned time in movies and on TV, and in vidya, then wonder why the fuck people can call something good good, and their garbage garbage.
Someone like Pete Hines doesn't understand why people call his shit stupid, and he never will. To him, it's all the same.
Reminder that everything wrong with New Vegas is entirely Obsidian's fault, they accepted the terms, they slacked off, they are the ones you should remember to blame for New Vegas's short comings.
>>342585926
I've never really had a problem with NMM
>>342585926
>FOMM > NMM right?
no. NMM has surpassed FOMM
>>342585926
I started playing again too, use Mod Organizer
And go here http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Essarrbee/FalloutNewVegas for help modding your game
>>342585535
You're implying Bethesda gives a fuck about Fallout as anything more than just another feather in their cap they can profit from. Bethesda doesn't GET Fallout and hasn't since they acquired the property.
>>342585786
If it snowed frequently it wouldn't be a desert.
Deserts are areas that receive very very little precipitation. Snow is precipitation.
Fun fact: most of Antarctica is a desert
>>342585926
mod organizer dude. only reason to use nmm is for fallout 4.
>>342585535
Pete Hines is a goofball
>>342586104
exactly my point actually, you'd need to find a different way to express temperature to make nighttime Mojave feel cold which the engine simply couldn't do
>>342586049
They sort of get it
That is, if fo3 and fo4 were set very shortly after the great war. Like 20-30 years after.
Not 200, there's no excuse for them being 200 years later and everything is still so shitty. That's just bad world building.
>>342586192
-slightly frosting Windows (then again, NV and 3 don't really have Windows
-seeing your characters breath
- very very subtle pale blue tint at night (vs the orange tint in the day)
That's all I can think of
>>342586049
Heh, try bringing this up on the bethsoft.net forums. They insist that Bethesda's "vision" of Fallout is just very different from Obsidian's "cold and logical vision". They call Beth's version of the series "more emotional and entertaining" than Obsidian's "spinoff".
Beth drones are fucking disgusting.
>>342586010
>>342586017
>>342586045
>>342586170
Ok, thanks. I'll try MO.
>>342586285
>Fuck lore! Anything that wasn't in 1&2 is shit and doesn't exist because I said so
>>342586285
>>342586416
I think it's more to do with their technical inability to do Fallout justice.
>Fallout 1 and 2 are known for their tight writing, player choices and freedom to approach things your way
>first thing Todd Howard makes a big deal about in Fallout 3 was shooting teddy bears from rocket launchers and AMAZING GORE
The signs were there, to be honest.
>>342586471
Pretty subpar bait. Especially considering how you included the first game in the "good" tier
>>342586587
I'm still convinced Bethesda already was on the way making their own post-apocalyptic rpg and early on just slapped fallout on it for sales and general recognition
>>342586471
Can't think of how New Vegas was any more serious than Fallout 1
Maybe compared to the memefest that is Fallout 2
>>342586664
The only "good" tier in that image is the top two, everything below that is garbage
>>342586524
That's not what I meant, at all you fucking mental retard. Fallout 3 is alright, NV is more like the true fallout 3, and 4 is just terrible imo.
200 years should be long enough for a society to not be living in crumbling shacks with skeletons and rubble in their living room
And there's still prewar newspapers and other shit littered out in the streets. How does that shit survive for 200 years?
>>342585535
>>342586185
Honestly if that's the kind of a person related to the game, no one should really be surprised about Fallout 3 and 4
>>342586737
>Fallout 3 is alright
Okay 4/10, you need to work on your phrasing so you don't give yourself away so fast
>>342586587
I just don't get it. Morrowind was a damn good RPG. Oblivion was even pretty cool in the RPG dept. Then they throw all their RPG making chops in the toilet to make Fallout games. If they'd approached Fallout 3 with a fraction of the creative depth that they did Morrowind, it could have been a great game.
What the fuck happened?
>>342586740
He's not involved with the games. Even worse. He's their fucking PR guy.
Instead of hearing complaints and telling the actual game team about it, he goes "lol who cares, the game is already unrealistic who needs internal consistency??"
>>342586810
It's better than 4.
Inb4
>but 4 has better shooting
4 has average shooting but shit everything else
New Vegas really is the only GOOD modern fallout. 3 is average, 4 is bad
>>342586827
Shift towards consoles, even though was also envisioned to be released on consoles, and Kirkbride leaving the company. As much as people treat him as a meme nowadays he WAS instrumental and making TES what it was back in the day. Primarily because it was an instance of the lead writer also being a designer on the game.
>>342586931
correction
New Vegas the only "good" modern fallout
3 is bad
4 is The Witcher with guns
>>342587028
But I've played better RPGs than Fallout 3 on consoles. That isn't an excuse. Fucking Witcher 2 was on Xbox 360, Wasteland 2 is available on consoles, fucking Morrowind ran passably on Xbox. Just saying "b-because consoles" doesn't explain away a massive, shitty shift in priorities.
It would be totally fair to say that the expanded player base and profit margins got to their head once they moved onto consoles. Some devs should just stay PC exclusive to keep their ambitions low, thus keeping their quality high.
>>342587031
>4 is Skyrim with guns
Fixed that for you.
>>342587206
Skyrim is an RPG, Fallout 4 is not an RPG
The Witcher is an action game with a set protagonist, you can choose your own playstyle and what you get when you level up
Fallout 4 is an action game with a set protagonist, you can choose your own playstyle and what you get when you level up
Fallout 4 is literally The Witcher with guns
>>342586827
I think Bethesda does focus tests and it's so much emphasis on them to the detriment of the game. Starting with Oblivion they just want to hopefully get every Chad into their stuff.
>What would make Morrowind a better game?
Better combat! More understandable world.
>What would make Fallout a better game?
Better combat! More gore and violence.
>What would make Skyrim a better game?
More awesome, I like Dragons!
>What would make Fallout 4 a better game?
I want chocolate milk. Make it like Minecraft.
>>342586471
>>342587348
But in Witcher you actually have choices and change the world around you, it is also waaaay better RPG.
So no, i stand my ground it is Skyrim with guns.
>>342587348
Witcher and skyrim are basically equal in terms of their RPG-ness. Their main differences lie in the gameplay, story, and characters, And neither are stellar deep RPG's by any means.
Fo4 is much shittier than both.
>>342587517
You also have just as many "choices" in Fallout 4 and can change the world around you
>it is also waaaay better RPG.
The Witcher is not an RPG
>So no, i stand my ground it is Skyrim with guns.
You have no ground though, you're literally just saying that because it's "an epic /v/ meme"
>>342587634
>Witcher and skyrim are basically equal in terms of their RPG-ness.
Listen if you're going to troll, then at least put some effort into it
>>342587517
It's really fucking sad that The Witcher series manages to be a better RPG while putting you in control of a set character with a set personality.
>>342582957
Nigger have you ever even been to las vegas? Because if you have imagine it but without all the air conditioning and thats what new vegas is
>>342587658
>multiple endings
>multiple ways of solving situations
The more you post the more you show you don't even know what an RPG stands for, but do please keep going.
>>342587751
>My detention of an RPG is better than what's set in stone!
By that logic, Mass Effect 2 is also an RPG and a really good one at that
>>342587165
Wasteland 2 is designed as a niche game for a niche audience. Going into that the studio knew damn well that they weren't competing for making the best selling game of ałl time.
Witcher is actually a good example of how consoles change games. The Witcher 1 is a far more complicated affair and it's very off putting in design until you get used to it. W2 and especially W3 was made so more casual players could enjoy it.
And keep in mind more complicated doesn't mean a better game. Even the fuckers at the RPGCodex tend to praise simpler RPGs then those gigantic ones with all sorts of complex systems attached to it.
The key difference is the guys at CDProjekt are just more competent than Bethesda. It helps that they made a great engine instead of using Gamebryo for 15 fucking years.
>>342587658
>You also have just as many "choices" in Fallout 4 and can change the world around you
No you don't, you fucking asshole. Fallout 4 has pretty much no RP potential to it because shit always goes the same damn way. You don't affect jack shit. I've put about 70 hours into that game. It has no replay value, and I almost just dropped it because there was nothing interesting going on in it that I could effectively change the outcome of.
>>342587928
Anon you forgot you can either Nuke the institute or eradicate BoS and Railroad.
Those are only TWO choices in the entire game that matter.
>>342582957
>/snow at night
precipitation is still required for snow, you mong. And you know how notorious deserts are for their fucking rain.
>>342583927
What? If you're wearing gear from a faction while attacking another you get loss of reputation?
This game keeps surprising me.
>>342587658
Explain why Witcher 3 isn't an RPG
No,
>because you can't create your own character
Is not a valid response
>>342582957
you think nuclear halocast might have some effect on the climate there BUCKO
>>342584770
It might go with those Legion elite mishmash armors that have bits of power armor glued to them. But it's a faction armor.
>Fallout takes place during nukular WINTER
>there is literally no snow in any of the games
Explain yourselves, bethesdafags.
>>342588234
lol look at dis nerd
fuckin weirdo
>>342587928
I've completed The Witcher 3 and I can safely say that Fallout 4 has just as many choices that matter
You do not role play, you are not playing a character you made, you are not given full freedom to decide how things should end.
>>342588130
You are Geralt/The Sole Survivor, you are on a mission to find Shaun/Ciri, the only decision you make in the game that affects the game as a whole is one of the final choices.
>there being no role playing is not a valid response for why it's not a role playing game
You. Do. Not. Decide. Your. Own. Character.
You. Are. A. Set. Character. Decided. By. The Developer.
Nothing. You. Do. Changes. Who. That. Character. Is. Or. What. They. Do.
A Role Playing Game is not a Role Playing Game if you are not allowed to Role Play.
>>342588234
I know it's bate, but nuclear winter is the inhospitable conditions created by massive nuclear strikes. It's only called winter due to the ash that falls like snow. It has nothing to do with temperature.
I forced myself to explore the wasteland of Fallout 3 and had discovered everything in a very short time. How is it that I'm still finding completely new places, loot, NPCs and quests even though I have 500 hours into New Vegas? I just yesterday found out that McCarran airport actually has the whole airport accessible, with a concourse, planes and control tower, and a weapon vendor.
I also played Dead Money for the second time and didn't hate it for some reason. The only thing I was disappointed by was that I couldn't re-hook-up Christine with Veronica since they're obviously long lost lezzfriends.
>>342588293
I can agree with your first point
But RPG's don't have to let you make your own character, you mong. You can roleplay AS geralt. You put yourself into the role of geralt, just like you put yourself into the role of your courier.
Frankly the only reason why people compare w3 and fo4 is because they both came out recently and are fresh on the mind.
People are quick to forget Witcher has many more playstyles and MUCH more content/quests and interweaving plotlines.
>>342584678
>>342584678
the first hundred years or so would be the coldest part. The debris kicked up into the atmosphere by the bombs would cause the black out. By the time NV rolls around, pretty much all of it would have settled.
>>342588839
>>342589002
>A HINE-DEE?!
>>342584678
>Mojave Desert confirmed to only have been hit by 7 nukes in total
>it's been over 200 years since those nukes
You know the Mojave had a lot more dropped on it back in the 50s, yeah? And that it's not a radioactive shithole today?
>>342584812
Water doesn't freeze.
>>342588530
>PG's don't have to let you make your own character. You can roleplay AS geralt. You put yourself into the role of geralt
The new Tomb Raider is an RPG by that definition
BioShock is an RPG by that definition
Every Resident Evil is an RPG by that definition
Hotline Miami is an RPG by that definition
Half Life 2 is an RPG by that definition
Are you seeing the problem yet?
>>342589323
Go walk through that area you posted, then. It looks real habitable.
>>342588406
How do you get to McCarran and not get pointed toward Contreras or the Legion Spy quest which sends you to the tower? Did you just never go inside and talk to Shoe?
>>342584460
I have it but for some reason it stops working at some points. Anyone else having this problem?
>>342584770
Metal armor, reinforced
>>342588293
I had more ability to affect the story as Geralt in The Witcher 2 than in Fallout 4. And there was actual story to affect, not just this lame ass Synth setup that nobody has ever cared about. They don't even explain why the Institute was making Synth copies of people. The entire setup of the Synth kidnapping boogieman that they give you in Diamond City goes unexplained.
Go to fucking Bethsoft.net where the rest of your kind can echo chamber as you please.
>>342589501
I can't. I'd need to sign up for the tour first and I'm just not that interested
>>342589669
>They don't even explain why the Institute was making Synth copies of people
yes they do and no I'm not going to tell you, because it's easier to tell you haven't played it when you know so little about it
>>342588406
Speaking of the DLC, the ideal order to play them in is HH, OWB, DM then LR. For the following reasons.
>HH has no connection to the other DLC plots and has no recommended level. You can do it early for some sweet early game gear and fast leveling.
>OWBs is best played before DM because it's cooler to hear about Elijah and Veronica before meeting them in DM.
>OWB also has a lower level recommendation than DM, and the perks you get in OWB are very useful in DM, where all your gear is taken away
>DM comes before LR because LR obviously comes last, storywise.
>>342589891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGRCvIhqWpg
>>342589772
No, they didn't. I got to the Institute and they said jack shit about replacing people, even though you fucking find a man with a gun to the head of his Synth copy in Boston, and I think a couple other cases of actual replacement.
Fucking Shaun himself had nothing to say about this. I thought maybe I'd find something about it in one of the depts within the Institute, but, no, not jack shit about the body snatchers bullshit. They just thought it would be cool then dropped it halfway through developing the main quest, and didn't bother to change anything.
>>342588406
Fallout 3 was designed in a way that lended itself to open exploration. Enemy levels and scripted situations sort of funnel you along a much more direct and story dirven path across the Mojave.
>>342589543
I don't know. I guess that so far I haven't really been dealing with the NCR all that much. Previously I just did the Vault 22 assignment when I was sent to that scientist dude by McLafferty.
>>342589460
So final fantasy isn't an RPG?
Fuck off you retarded child
>>342590107
The old ones? Yes they are
The new ones? No they're not
>>342590040
What might also be a factor is that nothing in Fallout 3 affects anything, and when you're playing a specific role in NV, you might not want to go into certain places or do certain things, because things have consequences.
>>342590154
What separates them?
They both have predermined characters and stats and attacks etc.
>>342590080
>get to a new, obviously major area
>don't talk to everyone with a unique name to see if they're going to give you quests
Come on, man
>>342590165
The only thing I can think of is that I fucked up the Galaxy News Radio quest by going to the GNR plaza before hitting megaton. It loaded the Giant super mutant but none of the BoS would talk to me.
>download those cool hitman weapon reload replacers on the nexus
>millenia's weapons aren't all using the correct animations so I go into the GECK and change them
>they do the correct hand animations but the weapons don't animate while reloading
Is there something more I should be doing here? Do I need to edit some kind of file somewhere to make the weapons animate properly?
>>342583927
If you stealth kill you also don't lose reputation. I do this to kill most of the powder gangers in the prison before the raid so no NCR die, which is something I'm a perfectionist with.
I also steal the ammo of anybody I'm going to be fighting later in a quest.
>>342590202
No they don't
>>342590368
You find it easier to roleplay in that over something like Witcher 3?
>>342590518
Yes
>>342590518
I would actually agree that the less your character says, the more you can project. Instead of of Geralt saying "I've decided to do the good thing and help everyone" just electing to do it and then going and doing it is better. Even in shitty 8 bit. The fact that you're listening to your own internal voice instead of a professional VA makes it that much better. Strange, though that silent protags in FPS games do nothing for me.
>>342588234
>no snow in any of the games
Theres snow in tactics you giga nigga.
>>342590558
>>342590740
Which is BEST for roleplaying
Final fantasy (shitty graphics, basic systems, but a blank slate for your imagination)
Skyrim (mediocre game, silent protag)
Witcher (beautiful world, speaking protag)
personally, I'd still have to go with Witcher. The difference between it and Fallout, even though they're both speaking protagonists, is that geralt is much more fleshed out, and is easier to get into the mindset of.
Whereas in fallout, you DO get to create your own character, however it creates a disconnect because he still speaks and isn't very fleshed out at all other than "FIND MUH SON"
>>342591008
There's snow in new Vegas as well
>>342588234
>Jacobstown
You Grade A fucking moron
>Cold at night meme
this is wrong I live right in a desert it absolutely does not get cold is it AS hot? No but it's still pretty fucking hot in the day it's usually around 102 in the nights it's like 80 or so nothing will freeze and it's not going to snow stop being dumb
>shoot people
>club people
Why would you ever need another weapon
>>342591192
>temperature drops over 20 degrees Fahrenheit
>IT DOESNT GET COLDER AT NIGHT GEEZ!
>>342591287
>Muh where's the snow?
>50 degrees above freezing
>Even when it gets below freezing it still doesn't fucking snow because it's a desert
>>342586000
Bethesda gave Obsidian 18 months to make the entire game, when most other AAA games get that much time just to make their first playable (or "pre-alpha") build. The fact that it was as good as it was afterward is a fucking miracle.
>>342591192
>>342584737
>he thinks the mojave desert isn't an actual place and gets actually really cold at night
>>342591515
Bethesda gave Obsidian nothing, Obsidian was offerend 18 months and they took it
>The fact that it was as good-
Obsidrone. Argument invalid because this will only lead to you endlessly defending Obsidian
>>342591253
Is this a mod? Now that I think of it, what games have pistol whipping? Would be a fun addition to FPS games.
>>342591521
I live 20 minutes, literally 20 minutes from the mojave this is the weather forecast my thermostat right now at 4 am reads 84 inside so it's probably close to 90 outside I'm sure it's about to start snowing any minute now
>>342591597
Well, yeah. They had a chance to make a real Fallout 3 and give Fallout fans one last, actual RPG before the series was forever lost to the clutches of Bethesda. They took that chance, and I love them for it. Even though they got fucked out of their bonuses, even though they had to use Beth's shitty, dated tools, they managed to hew out a real fucking Fallout game.
Now Beth and their fans are so salty that nobody else will ever be allowed to touch the series, because they've been "second guessed", and New Vegas "split the fanbase". Fucking pathetic.
>>342591515
>Bethesda gave Obsidian 18 months to make the entire game, when most other AAA games get that much time just to make their first playable (or "pre-alpha") build.
And because it's Obsidian, we're going to ignore the fact that the entire engine and gameplay model was already existant before development started and they literally had everything handed to them
New Vegas is basically nothing but a really elaborate mod for Fallout 3
>>342591662
It's Joshua's Pistol Whippin' .45, I just modified it in GECK to be playable, otherwise you can't obtain or equip it
>>342591662
Its in the game, Joshua Graham is using it, but without console commands the player doesnt have access to it.
>>342591662
>what games have pistol whipping?
literally Halo
>>342591713
>and I love them for it
And everyone who actually played the series before 3 hated them for it, Obsidian single handedly guaranteed that Bethesda would never let any other developer touch the series again in fear that it might be just as bad, I hope Obsidian goes bankrupt and is forced to sell to Bethesda just as a final "fuck you" to those bastards.
>New Vegas "split the fanbase
New Vegas didn't split shit, Fallout 3 added a shitty new half to the fanbase, New Vegas added a shitty new third to the fanbase, the original fans are still waiting.
>>342591728
And yet, that "mod" managed to be a better and more memorable game than the one that birthed it. Funny, isn't it?
So were there just no ramifications for exposing the President of the enclave was a computer? I don't remember it being mentioned in NV or F4
>>342591705
Well, anon, that is happening right now. You're looking at something that is very specific and not measured out over time. That's the whole point of averages. If you took a random temperature in mid-july in texas and used that as the single determining factor for Texas weather year round, you'd be real fucking surprised on the December morning where it went below freezing. looking at it objectively, the Mojave isn't that hot. It's actually pretty cool, considering ti's a desert.
>>342591894
You're literally the only Fallout 1 fan I've met who hated New Vegas. Even the salty old faggots who hung around Bethsoft forums just to talk about the older Fallout games liked it a fuckton better than 3 because it bore some resemblance to 1 and 2.
But keep pretending to be a cool kid, anon.
>>342591945
>President Eden was a COMPUTER!
>Oh! That explains all the... uh, and the... you know?
If I had to guess, it's because Eden being a machine or a man makes absolutely no difference to who he was or what he was trying to accomplish
>>342592038
"Fallout 1 fans" do not include "people who started with new vegas"
I know who you are, you aren't a fallout fan, you're an obsidian fan, you only stick around to defend it.
New Vegas has so many flaws that if you were to ever stop droning you would cry yourself to death over how shit New vegas is
>>342592154
I don't think I've even played another Obsidian game besides KOTOR 2. But keep being salty, I'm sure that Todd will send you a care package with some merch if you keep it up.
>>342592154
>New Vegas has so many flaws that if you were to ever stop droning you would cry yourself to death over how shit New vegas is
Fucking name those flaws, then, if you're so damned sure that New Vegas is a steaming pile of shit.
Why do more than half of the NV threads end in retards flinging shit at eachother?
>muh Bethesdrone
>muh Obsididrone
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter
>>342587028
>kirkbride
was he really THAT important, though? he wasn't the only writer.
>>342592371
Because fallout 4 is extremely divisive and split the fanbase
>>342592371
because they're morons too stupid to install ttw and have it all in one awesome package.
>>342592434
Hey, buddy
I think there's something wrong with your game, you know?
>>342592531
>split the fanbase
How so? F3 and NV fags can both agree it was a step in the wrong direction.
>>342592573
Well, now that Fallout 4 is a thing, TTW can no longer support Bethesda fanboys.
>>342592371
I'm more amazed by people who genuinely can't tell the different between f3 and new vegas, and just consider latter a forgettable spin-off game.
>>342584302
>fictional planet
>Earth
>>342592319
>The west is now as retarded as the east
>Fixer
>The legion are generic bad guys who want to control everything
>The NCR are generic good guys who want to help everyone and make the world oh so safe
>ED-E is the only robot in the entire game that doesn't follow strict programming
>The entire existence of Marked Men is a plot hole
>The game "ends" but you can't actually complete the game, you have to keep playing from your last save
>"Wacky" new drink because Obsidian wanted to leave their shit stain mark on the series
>Dead Money's bomb collar
>Siding with Elijah is a game over and you're forced to kill him no matter what you're roleplaying as
>Charisma is STILL shit
NEED I GO ON?
>>342592916
It's a fictional earth, yea
In case you didn't notice, it's not the real earth
>>342593006
>>The legion are generic bad guys who want to control everything
>>The NCR are generic good guys who want to help everyone and make the world oh so safe
Oh neat so you just didn't pay attention to anything in the game?
>>342593101
>It's okay when Obsidian does it!!!!!!!!
It's The BoS vs the Enclave in Fo3 all over again
>>342592916
It's an earth that sustained severe, presumably in the hundreds, precision nuclear strikes. So yes, for all intents and purposes this is very much a fictional version of Earth.
>>342593006
The leigon arent evil, they just have slaves and are dickheads. Many civilisations had slaves and weren't evil. Caesar IS trying to build a better world.
The NCR are actually dickheads as well.
>>342590218
I guess New Vegas was just so immersive to me that I didn't play it as an RPG character, but as a normal person. And I'm from spurdoland. We don't talk to people here unless we have to.
>>342591662
Condemned
>>342593227
>They're not evil! Just look at these obvious evil things they do!
>>342593352
>morals in a war-torn wasteland are black and white
They have good parts as well as bad parts
>>342583841
There is no rain and the air is really dry, so no snow
And how do you know that it isn't cold at night? it looks like it would be cold
>>342593403
>NO!!!!! I SAID THEY'RE NOT EVIL!!!! IGNORE EVERYTHING IN GAME AND BASE YOUR OPINION OF THEM OFF MY IMAGINATION!!!!
No
>>342593457
You're the one ignoring the game
>>342593403
It's strange to me that people can draw such stark contrasts in a game that's designed to let you choose what you think is the most morally appropriate outcome.
>>342592371
It's because Obsidrones refuse to let there be a single flaw in New Vegas, so they will defend the flaws until the end of the thread
Post mod lists please
>>342593189
The Fallout 3 BoS were portrayed as knights in shining power armor. The NCR in New Vegas were portrayed as having good intentions, but also being a bureaucratic nightmare, controlled by glory-hound dickheads while anyone who has a lick of sense is just trying to survive. There are people in-game who still believe in the NCR's ideals, but also think that Oliver and Kimball are total jackasses (most notably Cass).
The Legion are a very dark shade of grey. They are slavers and warmongers, and their leader is a tyrant, but even its enemies admit that traders are often safer dealing with the Legion than the NCR due to the Legion's nonexistent tolerance of raiders.
>>342593525
Every game has flaws, fuck off retard
>>342593457
Was ancient Rome evil for crucifying people and having slaves?
What about how they spread civilisation and security across their lands? That's not evil
Caesars legion is the same shit. He's trying to build a civilisation that will survive and even prosper in the wasteland instead of squabbling and fighting like retards
>>342593227
As Raul said, the Legion is basically an organized band of savage raiders who enforce an imperial peace. Before Caesar, Arizona was an anarchy of rival raiding bands with absolutely no law, justice or governance. The Legion got rid of that and replaced it with a stable, peaceful dogmatic patriarchy with an infrastructure of slavery. It really is better than a bunch of violent raiders killing and raping everything.But being one step above wild animals with guns is not saying much. Scum of the earth with a little salt on it still tastes like shit.
>>342593636
>Before Caesar, Arizona was an anarchy of rival raiding bands with absolutely no law, justice or governance.
That's the textbook definition of a warlord. Caesar stabilized his part of the region, for better or worse.
>>342593457
If you had played the game you would know that the Legions ideology basically boils down to "the ends justify the means". Multiple NPCs will tell you that inside legion territory there are rarely any raiders, because they're either dead or afraid of what the Legion will do to them. Although the fact that this is only told and never shown is a genuine flaw with the game, as is much of the legion content seeing as there's so little of it in the final game.
>>342593636
How dare there be a patriarchal society that owns slaves in a nuclear fucking wasteland! It's like they don't even know about political correctness and social justice!
>>342591757
why is there even a first person model for it
>>342593543
Depends what you want to do
http://wiki.step-project.com/User:EssArrBee/FalloutNewVegas
Here is one that makes your game ridiculous
>>342593747
Aren't legion towns peaceful, safeand prosperous?
Retards only see them as evil because all you see of them is a war camp and the NCR looks like American soldiers so obviously THEY'RE theGOODGUYS
>>342593809
One of the biggest regrets in regards to the legion, according to some developers of NV was making the legion so patriarchal. Anyhow, don't they have female spies as well?
>>342593863
>>342593960
Can you call being bullied into submission by a band of tribal filth peace?
>>342594065
Yes. Peace =/= Freedom.
>>342593960
Apparently, but legion towns are really never shown. We only see the war camps in game, and only hear about legion territory. Another spinoff like NV in Arizona would be nice, fleshing out the legion, but I doubt it will happen even if Obsidian is brought back for a Fallout 4.5
>>342593992
IIRC, it's explained in supplementary material that they do have a priestly caste consisting entirely of women. They probably would have shown them in-game if Bethesda had given them more time.
>>342594112
You are clearly past redemption, scum. You'll burn along with the savages you love so much.
>>342594065
Being bullied into submission is war. The submission that is the result of that is peace. The Legion is a faction of peace in the same way as Islam is a religion of peace. When anything but that one thing exists, there is war. When nothing but that one thing exists, there is peace.
>>342589891
No, you're supposed to hear about Christine and Elijah after you meet them. OWB goes after DM.
>>342594165
>A religious caste in the legion
That could have been pretty interesting. Hearing about all the cut/planned content for New Vegas always boils my piss at how Bethesda treated them.
>>342593006
gonna need a reasoning for the marked men being a plot hole.
>>342592509
He made the Elder Scrolls Universe into a believable world with all the crazy off-the-wall religious texts.
Think about it. In the real world, there are plenty of esoteric religious texts, and books that you can't understand. They're just as important in worldbuilding as the ones that are plainly written.
>>342594228
Right but you see in this case peace = stable source of food, water, shelter, and protection from the horrible monstrosities of the wasteland as long as you follow what you're told and don't step out of line
Better than the shutty corrupt NCR who can't protect its own caravans and farms
>>342594407
It's an interesting dichotomy between the two factions. NCR provides true freedom, as long as you pay your taxes, but is piss poor at regulating their territory and ensuring peace, while the legion is a dictatorship that provides true peace by snuffing out resistance with their might.
>>342594641
Exactly, neither the NCR or legion are good or bad, only retards who didn't pay attention think so
>>342594407
I don't disagree with you. Caesar has one thing going for him, and it's that he understands that the world was reset to zero, and it's better to try to do something good, than to desperately try to rebuild the absolute pinnacle of western human civilization. Caesar succeeded in uplifting savages from the wilderness into a primitive but functional imperial regime. NCR partially succeeded and failed to rebuild old world democracy. Caesar's pragmatism trumps NCR's ambition. Better do something reasonably well than accomplish almost nothing amazingly well.
>>342594886
All Caesar has managed to build is an army that wont long survive his death. He didn't set out to create the Legion, it's something that just happened due to circumstance and ego.
And sure, he has his plan for changing the Legion's ways and settling down but it relies entirely on him conquering and assimilating NCR before he drops dead. Or, at least, enough of NCR that he can start grooming a proper dictatorial heir who will lead a nation, not an army.
>>342594886
A few explosions aren't enough to keep humanity down. The pieces are still there, they just need to put them back together again.
Building a whole new set-up from scratch to tear down what isn't broken is just irrational.
>>342592578
You think so?
>>342595595
NCR is fundamentally broken. Good idea, terrible execution.
Best endings involving kicking them back up I-15 into California, letting Kimball and Oliver live so they can stand accountable for their actions and giving the Senate the blackmail material on the Van Graffs and Crimson Caravan so they can start getting the corporate corruption under control
>>342595880
Yeah. Looking a little too, what's the word, orange
Might wanna install Fellout
>>342584770
>caring about what looks good rather than optimizing stats for your character
What are you a faggot?
>>342584770
I think it looks good with the 87th tribe armor.
>>342596064
No that's just a very strong sunset™
>>342585143
I was waiting for someone to post this
>>342595880
>Courier with 10 Perception, Eye implants and the Elite Riot Helmet takes Party Time Mentats, tempering them with some Absinthe
>>342596158
>minmaxing to make the game even easier rather than looking good with a challenge
it's like I can hear the wheelbarrow of dicks rolling right up your asshole
>>342588293
PST. Is. Not. An. RPG. Then.
Stop typing like a fucking autist. Almost every great RPG at least gave you a set background along with a moniker and a mission. Hell, PST is centered on you finding out what your character did in the past and why you can't truly die. You're always going to be the Bhaalspawn who grew up under Gorion in Candlekeep. You're always going to be a Vault Dweller sent out to find a water chip. You're always going to be a harborman sent out to Neverwinter with a silver shard. Saying that Fallout 4 has just as many choices as Witcher 3 also just makes you look like a retard.
>>342589460
Except you don't get to make choices in Tomb Raider that affect the story, the world, or the characters in it. You yourself don't get to fuck up and accidentally unleash a wraith that causes a plague. You don't cause a riot over something as simple as making a conversational play a drama. You don't unleash a monster that wipes out an in-game entire village in exchange for saving a few orphans. In Tomb Raider, Lara would make those choices. In Witcher 3, you do. That's why one is considered an RPG and the other isn't.
Is ultimate edition cash grab? it's on sale on steam
>>342596397
>LOL LOOKS GUYS I'M MAKING THE GAME DIFFICULT BY PLAYING INEFFICIENTLY
Honestly the worst kind of person.
Why don't you play the game with a vibrator shoved up your ass at full power and Taylor Swift blaring into your ears.
>>342596498
What do you mean by "cash grab"? Are you asking if it's New Vegas's equivalent to Horse Armor or something?
>>342596498
The money isn't going anywhere decent, just pirate it
>>342596498
If you want the full New Vegas experience (without mods) then get it.
Literally has all of the officially released content for the game.
There's about 80 hours of content.
>>342593006
>The legion are generic bad guys who want to control everything
>The NCR are generic good guys who want to help everyone and make the world oh so safe
Stopped reading right there. You're clearly either retarded or just baiting.
>>342596592
>guys I made the game so easy I can one shot everything even on bullet sponge mode, that makes it so much easier for me to jerk off over my efficiency while I play
Shouldn't you be trying to beat your best time in Train Simulator, Dieter?
>>342591524
>He thinks patrolling the Mojave desert almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
>>342596592
>RPG
>minmax
Fuck off to whatever MMO you came from
>>342597517
New Vegas based around min maxing based on the kind of Courier you want, not just peppering points around evenly to make a 'le balanaced' character because that's just inefficiently shit in this game.
>>342597678
If you want to see a game built around minmaxing, play Path of Exile. If you can't build yourself the exact perfect specific build, you will never get even close to seeing the true final boss.
Role playing in a role playing game isn't minmaxing. It's just class based character progression.
>>342597678
>min maxing
>when the level cap and skill books let you 100 in basically every skill
>>342598083
OWB lets you create basically unlimited skill books. You can max out every skill. There's a finite amount of pre-war books lying around, but they can sometimes be found on vendors. I personally thought it was a stupid addition to let players create skill books. Though it really isn't any less dumber than being able to buy skill books in replenishing stores in Fallout 1.
>>342599020
You can only make one of each book, the recipe is an item used in their creation
>>342599368
Ah okay. I didn't notice that. Then it's the high intelligence characters that get maxed out skills. Shame that the low intelligent conversation options aren't supported in NV unlike Fallout 1 and 2.
>>342583796
Please Google nuclear winter. Get smart kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Uo-UVjzn0&index=13&list=PLbIBL0f-42sQQk9w-O-NI7FOpxuX69Ck3
>>342599960
What is this?
>change a bunch of items in GECK
>check it in FNVEdit
>everything is fine
>except one fucking item that refuses to accept the change
What is your fucking problem, Broad Machete? All the other fucking Machetes are fine with being edited, what's your singular fucking problem with having the exact same edit as all the rest?
HELP
I HAD THE PERFECT INSTALL
All the sexiest visual mods
All the crunchiest gameplay modsProject Nevada
Lots of new quests
And now all of that is gone and I have no willpower to fix it but no will to play again without it!
>>342600423
Just make a load of coffee and either scoure the nexus for all your old mods or, the better choice, and check your .txt list of mods.
By the way, has anyone ever played Fallout 2 on any difficulty other than wimpy? Early game combat is barely survivable even with high endurance and good armors against the early enemies. All the times I've played the game I've been looking forward to the time when I'm good enough to ramp up the difficulty but it never arrives. I'm playing as good as I can but I can't change the dice. My last big guns combat grinding minmaxing playthrough was stopped at its tracks by a few Enclave with handguns on the easiest setting. Isn't a proper role playing game supposed to be beatable on any build that isn't a total gimmick bullshit build?
>>342600606
That's the problem. I have no list of mods anywhere, and that install was over a year ago.
>>342582957
Did you know Antarctica is a desert?anon
>>342601245
My suggestion was a slight jab at you not having prepared one.
Just scour the nexus for what you had, but keep a list of everything you like.
Saves going through what you are every now and then.
>>342600423
what do you honestly expect us to be able to do for you
>>342584909
Best song in the game.
How is FISTO meant to work when his clumsy little grabby hands look so poorly designed for anal insertion
