>Persona 5 can compete with Final Fantasy 15
Can someone explain this meme for me?
It's not even a fight, persona series is niche as fuck!
>>342577928
Ff 13 has shit ass story
>>342578001
Well, better than p3/4 ones, at least
>>342578001
>FFVX vs P5 thread
>brings up FFXIII
go home anon, you're drunk
It can compete in Japan, even when XV was Japan's common top most awaited game in polls. At a world level though, Persona won't compete because XV is on more platforms and appeals to more people with the name
>>342577928
Hell Persona is even more niche than Ace Attorney. It's just Percucks thinking they can play with the big boys.
>>342578198
Even there it can't.
Are people forgetting that Persona total worldwide sales are 6 million? Mainline FFs sell 2-3 million in Japan alone.
>>342578198
>It can compete in Japan
Golden sold only 370k copies in the japland, and it was best selling persona game
So no, it can't
In the only country that matters, Persona is a very popular series.
Final Fantasy has lost the respect of a lot of fans.
>>342578686
>In the only country that matters, Persona is a very popular series.
BR?
>>342577928
Literal retards. A single Persona game has yet to break a million, While FF breaks that record every time they make a spin off.
>>342577928
P5 might actually be in the ballpark, but that probably says more about the current state of FF than Persona.
>>342578686
FF is more popular than Persona is in every country.
>>342577928
It absolutely cannot
FF is big AAA+ blockbuster normie game
Persona isn't
>>342577928
It has no chance, it releases 7 months later in the west and doesnt't have dual audio, it's also niche as fuck. It will probably sell alot more than previous games in the series however, P5 have much more hype behind it.
>>342582828
>not having dual audio makes you a niche
Fucking weebs
Because FF15 is an unholy pile of stinking goat shit.
>>342582828
>doesnt't have dual audio
Despite what being on a south-pacific coconut-busting billboard might have you believe, the majority of people don't actually care about playing the game with the audio, arbitrarily, being in a different language from the rest of the game. And a useless/dying language, at that.
![[Hee ho].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hx18dFa.jpg "[Hee ho].jpg")
>>342577928
Persona 5 doesn't have shit combat, so they're actually got a shot this time.
>>342582047
ahahahahah
its 2016 senpai
the numbers will be within 15% difference
>>342578070
Bullshit, Persona games at least have universally relatable concepts in their story and characters
>>342584281
Lightning Returns was one of the least successful FF games and it still outsold any Persona game
If i asked 10 people on the street right now, alteast two of them would know they had heard of it somewhere. Final Fantasy name is globally popular, it is one of this first major entertainment peace to show the masses the Anime/Japan culture without going to creepy territories. For better or worse, the name still has meaning, and after Kingsglaive, the series would be on everyone mind till XV arrives. Which would go on to sell AT LEAST 6 million in a year.
Persona 5 knows it audience, and its not trying to be an Oscar bait. It improves on its strong points without catering to wider audience. Though, i am sure it would do so after Persona 5 inevitable success. It'll sell 1 million in a years time sadly. Because, at the end of the day, it is still an Anime product.
>>342584281
You trying to ruse me?
>>342578532
Well you're forgetting that no one owns a fucking vita. The vita was a failed abortion in Japan, >300k is pretty damn good.
>>342587645
It sold more than the PS2 version of P4.
What's with the "Persona is niche"-meme? Are you the same person posting that everytime or is everyone just that stupid?
>>342587757
Are you? Persona is even smaller than Ace Attorney.
I was wondering what Persona was when people were comparing it to Final Fantasy. I thought it was a high school type action game but it was just a relationship simulator.
>>342577928
Persona 5 is an actual turn based RPG
FFXV is a realtime action game for retards, I don't know why anyone cares about it.
Hasn't Persona been bigger than most FF games that aren't MMOs in Japan for a while now?
It seems like Final Fantasy just hasn't been the JRPG behemoth it was once known as for a long while now.
>>342582828
>doesnt't have dual audio
Are you serious? Why the fuck not?
>>342588201
because atlus is retarded
>>342588134
Nope. Spin-off titles of FF sell more than mainline Persona games.
>>342588201
Atlus has never included dual-audio in their games. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
>>342577928
There's a official tweet I think asking "if FFXV was released the same day as Persona 5, which one would you buy it?" and Persona 5 won.
I don't have the source tho.
>>342577928
Comparison:
Final Fantasy 15 will be released here in the Americas with subs in 4 Languages (ENG, FR, SPA (LATAM) and PT) and Dual Audio (ENG, JP)
In Europe it'll be released with subs in (ENG, FRA, SPA (Spain), ITA, GER, RUS) and Audio in (ENG, JP, FR, GER)
In Asia it'll be released with subs in JP, CH (Simplified), CH (Traditional), KOR and Dual Audio (ENG, JP)
While persona will be released Worldwide English Only. It's not even a fight here.
reminder to prepare your filters because im going to spoil the shit out of Persona 5 for you
>>342588010
Persona 5 is a highschool autism simulator with highschool teens being gay. FFXV is an Action RPG in an open world with an actual world to travel through with an actual story and characters who matter.
>>342583213
Learn to read idiot, I said no such thing.
>>342584216
Only in the US, and where I come from most people refuse to play dubs. And it's not just here, the comments on the youtube trailers and on twitter tell a different story, that a great deal of Persona fans actually care, there was also the poll AtlusUSA had.
>>342588426
Stop making shit up. They never released the numbers and the poll was on their websites for the Japanese audience.
If i remember correctly, only NeoGAF went on a rampage with choosing Persona 5. But lets get real here; all of them are fat waifufag neck beards who come only to about 10k of people including /v/. You difference means shit and i can't NOT wait for the sales threads for both those games.
>>342588134
Persona isn't bigger than any FF game, the fuck? Even the shittest selling FF still outsells Persona.
>>342588426
Persona didn't win shit and it was a survey asking a bunch of random questions including if your parents play video games and whether you play video games while on the toilet, it was specifically aimed at Japanese audience because P5 and XV are coming out in the same window and P5 is the only other notable JRPG coming out within that same window as XV, hence why it was asked about on a survey, the results were never made public either.
>>342588715
>with highschool teens being gay
Not that guy, but you can't really say this when Persona has girls in the party that you can date, while FFXV has no female part members and the males sleep in the same tents.
>>342588273
It's not really surprising but it is still really fucking retarded by Atlus. I love Persona but I have no love for Atlus and their retarded decisions.
>FF15
>quad audio
>P5
>english dub only
>>342589237
Someone will more than likely make an undub for the PS3 CFW users.
Doubt the graphics will be very different between the two consoles for a game like this.
Critically, it's more than capable of going toe-to-toe with FF. Though a lot of JRPG series nowadays could own that claim, too.
If Persona 5 is at least as good as 3 or 4, then it might be possible for Persona to truly break out into the mainstream. For now though, it's still a niche-ish franchise.
The best outcome would be more profits for Atlus, who would ideally make bigger budget SMT games.
people seriously believe ff15 will be superior to persona 5? That's hilarious, ff15 is going to get BTFO guaranteed, if not in shill sales then in quality of content. the persona series is keeping turn based alive and fun while the ff ip clearly peaked years ago and and degenerating hard. I have no faith in their new development team, game looks like trash
>>342577928
Persona 5 is likely to sell way more than any Atlus game up to this point.
FF XV budget is so retardedly high it needs to sell over 10m to not flop.
XV will definitely sell more but it might end up generating less revenue than P5 or none at all.
>>342588273
>Atlus has never included dual-audio in their games. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
Its not a surprise, but that doesn't excuse it. Atlus USA are basically the only localization team left who doesn't regularly include the original audio in some form, whether as an on disc secondary, dlc, or the innate sole option. Not only that, but they don't seem to have any appreciation for the work the original development team who made the product put into the cast selection and think that their budget overwrites that can't even secure a known voice associated with a long running character due to "scheduling conflicts" are a viable substitute.
That was okay in the past, but in the modern age of being able to watch entertainment from all over the world in its native tongue, consumers are getting smarter and pickier and are beginning to realize that variety is the spice of life and that entertainment needs to embrace its native culture, not "localize" it and erase its charm to pander to idiots who want their shit homogenized.
A game like Persona at this time is still going to sell off name recognition, but sooner or later, especially with smaller projects, Atlus is going to have to get with the times.
quad audio vs ashley burch
>>342590363
Pretty much this, I have been interested in Persona 5 since the original announcement but I think I'll skip it now, I find this kind of shit unaccepable and it's despicable that they seem to only hire non-union actors so they can pay them less, that's disgusting and I won't support it, ever.
>>342590363
They raised their main fanbase to actually believe that due to licensing costs, retainning the original audio is an impossible endeavour unless you're working on a AAA budget, There's also plenty of tinfoil hat theories ranging from games being more expensive or dual audio requiring the English script to be a 1:1 direct translation.
Top it off with polls where Atlus makes you choose between those preorder garbage and dual audio and you're guaranteed to be hated by dubfags for daring to ask for dual audio.
That way, Atlus could theoretically get away with no dual audio forever.
Persona 5 just looks too generic
In the end I was more hyped about #fe(and have fun with it now)
>>342591125
ashly burch the goddess is better than whatever audio you throw at her mate
>>342590039
>people seriously believe persona 5 will be superior to ff15? That's hilarious, persona 5 is going to get BTFO guaranteed, both in shill sales and in quality of content. the persona series is keep rehashing the same formula again and again, even worst than EA rehashing CODs while the ff ip has always keeps its franchise fresh. I have no faith in persona5 , game looks like sparkly colourful trash that only animetards loves.
ftfy
>>342588939
Yosuke acts gayer than any party member in FFXV and he'sstill not that gay
I don't get why the FFXV and P5 fans always have to shit on each other with the "haha yours is gayer stuff"
>>342592234
>idolshit
>not generic
You earned that (you). Don't spend it all in one place.
>>342590257
>FF XV budget is so retardedly high it needs to sell over 10m to not flop.
Stop using this shitty meme pls
FFXV looks like a bloated and overproduced mess. P5 looks like the complete opposite, tighter focus and with a strong vision behind it.
P5 won't eat FFXV's lunch but it'll sure as hell give it a run for its money.
FFXV will sell more than P5.
Anybody who says anything different is a retard.
Will both be good games? YesIf you count the Japanese version of P5 and not the American
>>342592305
I intend to play FFXV just wanted to point that out.
>>342592346
>idol industry, songs and other shit
>generic
?
What is the appeal of the Persona series? None of them have dual audio, but there's a few undubs I might pick up. Are they all dungeon crawling?
I've honestly tried to play Persona 3 five times now, and each time I get bored within a few hours, stop using my PSP, or my emulator crashes FES.
>>342592363
>meme
Hajime Tabata said it himself. He changed that statement two weeks later but for all I know it's just SE's damage control.
>>342592823
Try P4. If that still didn't change your opinion, then the franchise is definitely not for you.
Persona won't outsold FF because normies will buy it regardless if its shit like FFXIII
Its like the CoD of rpg
>>342589237
Why does Atlus keep pulling this shit? It's 20 fucking 16, jesus christ
Shit, I'd probably be a huge Atlus fan if all of their games had dual audio, or at least not the absolute shittiest tier Funimation English dubs
>>342577928
that's why they delayed it.
>>342593037
Atlus has god-tier dubs though. If you want japanese audio just buy the japanese version :)
See : Catherine
>>342578001
as opposed to all those FF games with really good stories
>>342592901
That was mistranslated you memelord
>>342592901
Or it could be a mistranslation/misunderstanding. Happens everytime in press. Especially in a sub par “gaming” journalism. If you want to believe that, it's up to you. But it was known from the start that XV’s goal was to overcome VII, their highest selling game, which sold about 8-9million copies in it's lifetime.
>>342584321
>Persona
>good story
My toppest of keks.
>>342592932
I got a Persona Q undub for my 3DS, and the characters were really charming, especially Elizibeth (Miyuki Sawashiro is always best girl). But I don't really understand the appeal of dungeon-crawling gameplay, I prefer large, adventure-like RPGs like Final Fantasy.
I just don't understand how so many people can like this series. Is it because of the dating sim elements? Does it attract the ironic-weeb audience?
>>342588939
XV has men all with female love interests and you literally start the game going to Noctis's wedding with his wide hipped fiance, the other guys all hit on women along the way too. And girls do travel with them and join the party.
>>342593009
>Persona
>rehashing the same gameplay, design, characters
>not the COD of JRPG
?
>>342577928
>compete
I'm gonna buy both.
>>342593148
retarded statement
>>342590257
No it doesn't, 10m is just a personal goal, not what they need for profit.
>>342593148
Or just pirate the undub on PS3.
Anti-piracy 101: don't cry about lost sales when you insist on selling only the inferior version of your product.
>>342592392
P5 was delayed four fucking times from set release dates, FFXV was never delayed once from any date.
>>342593542
Not everyone has ps3 with cfw
>>342593148
The only games I've ever played with good dubs are Bloodborne, MGS, and Yakuza 1, and even those last two were pretty rough around the edges. Some niche weeb game company aren't able to make good dubs, especially when they use the same shitty fucking voice actors for every goddamn thing. I've found that all good English dubs don't tend to have voice actors that generally do dubs in the first place.
Not to mention that an anime art-style really just doesn't fit English voices
>>342593519
No, you're just a filthy fucking weeaboo. Stop crying about Atlus dubs.
>>342593542
>pirating a game because of english voices only
Does your cancer know no bounds?
>>342593604
>Not wanting a butchered version is cancer
Okay m8
>>342593542
That fucking cat is the only thing making me want to play P5. I'll CFW my PS3 even if I have to pay money for it
>>342593589
Then why don't you get it. It's the only right way to play Persona 5.
>>342593393
>Is it because of the dating sim elements? Does it attract the ironic-weeb audience?
Yes actually. Persona only rose to popularity in P3 (When they start to introduce dating sims). And peaked at P4.
>>342593604
wew lad
>>342593735
How to?
Well, in a very real sense persona 5 has the potential to be a success that FF15 really just doesn't. I'm talking monetarily not critically or some other opinion metric.
FF15 was produced by the entire population of china with a ten trillion dollar budget and needs to sell twice to each person in the world to make a profit.
Persona 5 was made using only a rubberband and workers were paid in "not getting whipped again."
And yet theres actually a lot of hype for persona 5, they've really sold it to their niche, and their niche happens to also buy FF15, but heres the thing. Persona 5's niche REALLY LIKES persona. They are going to buy it, and Atlus knows that. Atlus doesn't care about mainstream appeal because the budgets are low enough that if only the niche buys, they will make profit.
So that brings us to the final point here. The people who were going to buy persona, are probably going to buy persona, even if they have to buy persona AND FF15, or skip FF15 for a while to buy it. And if only those people buy it, atlus will be making heavy profit. FF15 relatively needs to sell to a billion casuals to break even, and for them every game they have to compete with is a huge detriment.
TL;DR: The timing only hurts FF15, not P5.
>dual audio fags are at it again
>>342593838
>ps3hax
>ps3iso
Here you go senpai
>>342593604
>No, you're just a filthy fucking weeaboo. Stop crying about Atlus dubs.
Adaptation and dub is shit though.
How can you say that the dub for P4G nd P3P where any good?
Emotionless voices and wrong pronunciation for japanese words.
>>342593893
>>342593604
>>342593148
obvious samefag, here's your (you)s
>>342593148
Nah, I'm gonna pirate it :)
>>342593604
>Does your cancer know no bounds?
Says the clownshoe crying about piracy.
>>342593979
The pronunciation of names is beyond grating. Native english speakers will never get something as simple as vowels right.
For anyone with bare minimum knowledge of how names are supposed to sound, it's basically the same experience as listening to Japanese who can't pronounce the 'L' sound.
>>342577928
FF has not degraded into 4 edgelords so edgy that they have to go pure black. Making it impossible to color code or motiff them to tell them apart.
Gone are the varied character designed, waifus and overall fun. How can anyone bet on this selling? Who the hell is buying anyway? Even FF has would rather buy FFX remakes.
>>342593604
t. John Hardin
>>342594236
Good thing XV didn't go pure black with its cast.
Gonna buy a second hand PS3 just so I can pirate Persona 5 undub, I might spend 100$ on it, but it's better than giving my money to Fatlus.
>>342578084
Nigga, it's the reason why people are wary of XV, wheras Persona got increasingly popular through 3, 4 and Golden (plus Catherine)
>>342593843
No it doesn't. When will this meme end?
FF15 has been in full active development for 2 years less than Persona 5 has.
XVs budget that it is actually being factored into how much it needs to succeed only started in 2012. P5 started in 2010.
Whatever shit done for Versus was literal concept shit that never materialized and done in the spare time of the people doing it and any cost for that has already been written off.
>>342594236
Yeah we need them to be dressed like clowns with shoes bigger than their swords and for all of them to wear nametags so we can tell them appart.
>>342594413
XIII has literally nothing to do with XV, XV is a completely different development team to the people who made XIII.
When will people realize this already? FF games aren't all made by one single team moving from one to the other.
>>342594421
It's been longer than 2 years m8
I won't buy any of them, no dual audio in P5 is an instant dealbreaker and the character designs in the new FF are so disgusting and metrosexual it's almost hilarious, they all look like members of a japanese boyband. Can't believe people still buy this garbage.
>>342594558
XIII damaged the franchise's reputation. Having new people work on the sequel doesn't fix it on its own. Until the game is out and turns out good, people like me will remain sceptic.
>>342594558
I know that, you know that, but the majority of entry level mouthbrouthers thinking about it don't.IGNand other pleb sites have comments sections filled with shit like "I hope this isn't shit like 13!"
>>342594637
Read what I said. P5 full development started 2010, XV full development started 2012. Full development = when budget actually starts.
>>342594790
>The Versus development time from 2006 didn't cost anything
Take your meds anon
>>342594790
Missed the "less"
Sorry buddy
>>342594734
What the fuck is this autism? FF2 was worse than 13 was.
Also if 13 damaged the reputation then ARR would not have been the success it was, especially since 14 vanilla was the only FF that ever damaged any reputation and was the first FF that the devs ever apologized for. And even then plenty of the core XV team and people from the Squaresoft days.
>>342594790
>>342594893
the budget part of your post is retarded.
Nomura got some money to put together the Versus even if it was never in full development
>>342594893
Again, read what I said.
>Whatever shit done for Versus was literal concept shit that never materialized and done in the spare time of the people doing it and any cost for that has already been written off.
Any shit done for Versus was never active development, and any cost for that is already been written off. The entire project was rebooted into a different on which s FFXV.
>>342594968
Nomura got some money so that he could do some early character skethes and so that 2, yes TWO CGI animators from visual works could make a CGI teaser trailer for him.
In 2009 one of those two CGI animators left SE and talked about how it was just him and another guy doing it in their spare time off from Advent Children Complete and FF13 CGI. The Versus stuff from 2006-2009 was not even a game, it was just 3 minutes of CGI concept trailer done by two people.
P5 budget was a cart of adderall a bottle of dr.pepper and 2 hug pillows
FFXV budget was 250 million dollars
P5 will make a return at any scenario
FFXV is fucked
>>342595248
Why do you post this shit?
>>342595248
FFXV has higher budget but also can sell 5x more than P5 ever could. If anything P5 is fucked because it's been in full fucking development since 2010 which is longer than how long XV has been in full development for.
>>342595376
To get (you)'s, thank you
>>342595590
Ah yes yes the same old "we've been developing it since 2010"
While conveniently forgetting that the development got rebooted at some point like Versus.
But you don't say that FFXV development started since 2006 do you?
>>342595610
No problem
>>342595691
P5 full dev started in 2010, it never rebooted, it started and never stopped since 2010 in full dev.
>>342584281
>he thinks Kusoge waifushit will even come close to selling as much as a FF game
>>342593582
FFXV was delayed for an entire generation.
>>342595913
It was never delayed from any set date and was never even in active development until 2012, when it was already an 8th gen game. Even Mother 3 took longer from reveal to release than XV did.
I stopped giving a shit about Backstreet Boys XV half a decade ago and am more interested in Square's other games i.e KH3 and the FFVII remake. I've never played a Persona game before but P5 looks pretty cool, and it seems to be fairly popular among normies for some reason.
>>342596085
Nobody gave a shit about Mother 3, it certainly wasn't hype for a full decade like XV was.
I'm gonna buy both and enjoy both i don't see why the fight.
But i think i'm gonna like more P5
>>342577928
>Persona
>Niche
Did you just came out from your cave to make a thread?
>>342596173
>P5 looks pretty cool
>and it seems to be fairly popular among normies for some reason.
Both are false
>>342596512
>>P5 looks pretty cool
Subjective
>>and it seems to be fairly popular among normies for some reason
Well the popularity of the franchise is raising
>>342596512
Looks way cooler than Backstreet Boys XV at the very least, especially after that godawful E3 presentation.
No matter how shit a Final Fantasy game is it will still sell millions just on the hype and marketing. XIII was proof enough of that.
>>342596656
You're just like a woman who gets mad when the female characters are good looking in games, you know.
>>342596936
You're just like a morbidly-obese woman who writes yaoi fanfiction about twink fuckboys in anime and JRPGs, you know.
>Theres people still hyped for FFXV
Havent you watched the trailers and played the demo?
>>342578686
>In the only country that matters
*tips fedora*
>>342597159
You're talking to drones who continue to blow Square cock after an entire decade of disappointment. Why do you think they should care?
>>342596173
Enjoy your episodic retcons and character flanderization.
>>342597594
I'm going to reserve judgement until the next trailer.
Why are people so upset about no dual audio? I get that it should be a standard by now, but I don't understand how it's a deal-breaker. Atlus dubs are generally pretty good, andbearableat worst.
Anyways, Persona 5 will get blasted the fuck out compared to 15, even if it's a better game. Final Fantasy is just too huge for it to compete with.
>>342577928
>persona series is niche as fuck
SMT is niche
Persona is just weeb shit
>>342577928
>persona series is niche as fuck
Normie as fuck as of P4. Weebs of every stripe know about it and it's pretty much the only ongoing JRPG series with a modern-day setting. Other shit like waifuism and highschool simulator also appeal.
There's enough cumulative "fringe" element interested in the game that it's pushed into the mainstream.
>>342597159
I watched every trailer and played both demos.
My hype took some dips along the road but there is nothing that could have killed the hype if you aren't a jaded faggot
>>342598094
>Atlus dubs are generally pretty good
The last few dubs were pretty shit
They have like 5 actors for their games.
Japan has a really great cast with people who can act and not just voice over some text
>>342588010
No one gives a shit about turn based RPG in 2016 grandpa.
>>342592130
>There's also plenty of tinfoil hat theories ranging from games being more expensive or dual audio requiring the English script to be a 1:1 direct translation.
It's true that they'd need to tone down their localization. The characters would often be calling one another by their surnames, for instance, and Fatlus would have to either compromise or have their script contradicted by the audio hundreds of times.
There are a variety of reasons why Fatlus refuse to use moonspeak audio. It could be any or all of the following.
>Atlus Co Ltd have a policy against it, since it would encourage reverse importation (6 month embargo or not). This is indicated by the ArkSys P4A debacle.
>Fatlus USA are protecting their own jobs by commissioning a dub and giving VAs, sound engineers, and localizers extra paid hours to produce it. Any number of companies with departments or subsidiaries will have those departments eke as many hours as the budget allows, which is in their best interest.
>Combination of the above with Fatlus USA having an agenda to sell Atlus Co Ltd on the fiction that gamers here want an English dub and only an English dub. A dual audio release is almost certainly more expensive than having one language or the other, but Fatlus USA will benefit most from an English dub. By continuing to make English-only releases, they get more budget from Co Ltd in the long run than if they transitioned to dual audio and eventually moonspeak-only. This is the most tinfoil theory, but is supported in part by that fucked-up "special edition with extra toys? or dual audio?" poll Fatlus dropped that was only open for a few late-night hours and abruptly closed.
>>342593758
Persona was always mainstream in japan. Persona 2 was the third most sold rpg on the psx after final fantasy ix and dragon quest vii
>>342597159
>There's still people hyped for Persona5?
It's literally P3 and P4 added with some elements of P1 and P2.
>>342599410
I was talking about how it rose into popularity in the west.
>>342599140
It all boils down to the fact that Atlus USA is a shitty company that ideally shouldn't be supported
>>342599648
And they were great so whats the problem. FFXV looks and plays like shit, and the character cast is even worse than FFXIII's
>>342599648
>There are people still hyped for sequels
They're literally the last game with things it didn't have added in
>>342600032
Well, yeah. But there's not much that can be done since it's Co Ltd's subsidiary.
The fact that this policy extends towards third-party games Fatlus does on the side is pretty grimy too.
I'm a persona fanboy. I literally own every version of every persona game made. I spent 600 canadian dollars to the get the PSX version of Eternal Punishment
Persona will NEVER compete with final fantasy in terms of sales. It's just too niche.
>>342600062
>And they were great so whats the problem.
lol. Literal COD-fags tier argument.
>FFXV looks and plays like shit
Sorry, can't give a fuck about empty dungeons and pokemon combat.
>and the character cast is even worse than FFXIII's
lol no, only Prompto is a little bit annoying. As much as you want to shit on XIII, they have more depth than any Persona characters.
>>342601276
Not him, but it looks like you haven't played Persona before
>>342596936
Nothing attractive about the boys(I refuse to call them men) in the new FF, all except one looks like women.
Why is the bulk of this topic about sales? Why does it matter to /v/ how much more money some well established studios make?
The discussion when we versus these two should be about game quality and the fact of the matter is Persona 3, 4, and Catherine managed to be far superior and memorable than anything released from Final Fantasy in over a decade and a half, and that the promotional material for Persona 5 is much better looking than FFXV, to the point where no one in Persona 5 threads actually has anything to criticize so that all the topics end up being about dual audio.
P5 seems to have fixed all the flaws of the last two games and retained all the charm. It has actual dungeons, demons back as enemies instead of boring blobs, an explorable overworld that's more than two city blocks, and HD character models.
>>342602151
the other thing people (non-atlus fans) criticize is negotiations
for me, that was what made me pre-order take your heart edition.
>>342599648
I fail to see whats the problem here
>>342602308
The negotiations aren't even true mainline SMT aka what they're complaining about; the demon is at gunpoint the whole time and begging for its life, it won't pull any shit like attacking you or running away after taking your items.
>>342602438
>the demon is at gunpoint the whole time and begging for its life, it won't pull any shit like attacking you or running away after taking your items.
Better if one of those little shits tries to pull a trick on me i gangbang him to death
>>342602438
We don't even know that yet. That's literally speculation. if the demon isn't alone and you try to negotiate with it at gunpoint, maybe its allies will intervene.
>>342588201
because it's cheaper to do dub only
>we've spent too much time on this shit just go ahead and get it out who cares if it's close to final fantasy's release
>alright guys this game is fucking solid gold and it's going to sell like gangbusters who cares about FF
Which do you think it is /v/?
>>342602561
You're speculating way more than I am; I'm just going from what I've seen from screenshots. Three separate demons have all had sweating icons and dialogue that translated to asking you to spare them, and the All Out Attack was available on Triangle button the whole time.
When there actually is proof that you're not in full control of negotiation, you'll be right, but until then all they've shown of the system is the demons surrendering to you.
>>342602913
I get what you're saying, but it's still a speculation that they CANT attack.
Demons can be immune to guns, you think holding them to gunpoint will matter?
>>342602784
None.
They know that they have a big enough audience that wants their game so that they don't really have to worry about FFXV
>>342603013
But launch on to the with an all out attack will be
>>342577928
Because FF XV is SHIT.
>>342602784
More like
>Ah yes I think its finally done, lets release this game, huh its close to final fantasy? whatever, we already know we can break-even with just our hardcore fans.
Anon Atlus isn't exactly know for their lucrative business decisions
>>342601443
I have. After I've watched the trailers of P5, I doubt it'll feel any different than P4 and P3. Sorry. Even if they added a few elements from P1 and P2. Shit on SquareEnix all you want, but I prefer them because they dared to change, even if the change will divide opinions all over. No FF have ever played the same.
>>342577928
Nobody is talking about sales but quality were Persona games have been far superior for quite some time now.
>>342603505
I'm still mad about that limp dicked E3 showing. What an embarrassment.
>>342577928
>it's another teenagers shit saving the world because adults are EBIL! plot
Into the trash it goes. Doesn't it help that for once most main characters look like complete trash in the Persona series.
>>342603912
too niche for the mainstage, better they keep it that way. the more mainstream things get the worse the fanbase gets
>>342603013
Gunpoint was just a term, All Out Attack deals damage non element related.
But you're right that I'm speculating they won't be able to defend themselves at all, we'll just have to wait and see.
>>342603558
Change isn't always the desired approach, especially when P3 and P4 were flawed games with plenty of room for improvement on the same formula and even Golden was a game with PS2 era assets when the next generation had already arrived.
I hear you say this and then I hear tons of other people say Final Fantasy has completely forgotten the series roots in favor of becoming an action RPG. And yes, FF's have played the same, my two favorites in the series FF4 and FF6 played the same.
>>342596656
No it doesn't, and no.
>>342579021
Golden did
>>342597159
Yes I have and there is more gameplay in them than the entire Persona franchise.
>>342600062
XV looks better than any other FF, let alone JRPG coming out, it shits all over Percuckna.
>>342603364
Shit loads better than any Persona trash put toghether.
>>342605386
>Percuckna
trying to hard mate
>>342605314
>>342605386
>>342605481
Keep it down samefag
>>342605386
>Percuckna.
>>342577928
>sales=winning
lol.
I don't care about FF for years and I am just gonna buy a PS4 for P5 because the serie is really good.
I don't care about generic-bland-open world-action-rpg-less-interesting-than-a-tales of FF branded bullshit.
