It's time to settle this once and for all.
Don't fuck this up.
Anybody who puts more than 2 points into Graphics is the cancer killing gaming.
Best possible allocation.
Prove me wrong.
>>342570704
Great graphics: 70 million
Make a decent game with interesting concept: 5 million
>>342571046
Audio shouldn't have more than three
Stereo and good music here and there is more than enough.
Also boss fights are not so important, give just 3 and it's fair.
>>342571227
>Also boss fights are not so important
Fuck you, good boss fights are the best thing ever.
>>342570171
>>342570171
Gameplay has gotta be good and polished and music's gotta set the tone and atmosphere for maximum enjoyment. Comfy exploration is also good.
The perfect balance
>>342571457
What it do, mr. pong?
>>342571489
>>342571553
WE ARE SEPARATED BROTHERS
>almost
After the sample size gets big enough I'll average them up and see what the best game would be.
Keep em coming.
>two graphics options
>>342571227
Agreed about the music, but depending on the genre bosses are super important.
Most single player games should have bosses (excluding obvious shit like puzzle games or visual novels, and even then you could have puzzle bosses like GLaDoS in portal).
You've got your level, then afterwards your boss, it's a vidya staple and I hate westernfags that believe they are too "videogamey". Call me a weeb, at least gooks know the importance of their bosses.
>>342571790
graphics is technology
art style is how you can manipulate it
What exactly is "audio"?
>>342571983
Sound that isn't music. Do you really need that explained?
>>342571983
Quality of audio. Same with graphics and art style.
Was tossing up between putting a square from Audio into Music, but special abilities need sweet-ass sound effects, so I left it.
Also, the bonus round was tough, I want all 3 of those things in games.
>>342570171
>>342571761
>0 gameplay
>full replayability
U wot m8
>>342572036
well I more wanted an example of good audio, but whatever
>>342570171
>>342570171
best allocation coming trough
>>342572275
Dead space comes to mind, maybe?
>>342571761
>zero gameplay
>max replayability
Lmfao is this nigger retarded?
>>342570171
>replayability as its own stat meme
that's like having a Damage stat replayability can't be manufactured
>>342570171
Let's see.
Here we go
>>342572491
With the right "tools" provided, it can. (Modding, New Game Plus, Super Secret bosses, eastereggs, minigames, "achievements" etc.) Of course, it demands the game to be "good" in the first place.
I didn't need 3 point on the left one so I moved them over to the right oneFuck your rules
>>342572728
And fuck lorefags/storyfags (more than 1 square in story)
>>342572496
Gameplay is objectively required to not be shit.
Story is, of course, completely unimportant to a game and is for ronery "immershun" escapist faggots.
Graphics - too little and you can't really convey information to the player effectively, but once you're able to tell the player what he needs to know in order to make decisions, more grafix irrelevant
Music - Good music makes a game memorable and popular. It's a fact.
Audio - same as Graphix. Gotta convey info to the player, but beyond that, irrelevant.
Artstyle - I assume this includes such things as making the visual information stand out to the player so the player can easily process it, which is very important.
Also presumably includes all those fapbaity waifus that people seem to enjoy nowadays.
Bossfights: Gotta have a good bossfight
Exploration: While Exploration -is- good, it isn't as important as the other parts.
Replayability: To keep the game from collapsing on itself, gotta be able to replay it lots.
As for how you're gonna make a game with awesome bossfights that are also replayable? Stuffed if I know.
>>342572491
>Secret Bosses
>Branching Routes
>New Game+ and exclusive content to it
I can go on, idiot.
>>342570171
Show me a better balance.
Oh wait you can't.
ADVENTURE
>>342570171
Define 'Graphics'. Does this mean heavy use of modern graphical systems, like ambient occlusion, tesselation, screen space reflections, GameWorks AMD-crippling effects, etc? Or just photorealistic visuals like Crysis 3?
>>342572874
Replayability is a function of how much wasted time there is doing things like walking around, rewatching cutscenes, watching attacks animate in a turn based game, hiding from attacks in a real time game, etc. The less the better.
As long as you avoid wasted time on pre-fight cutscenes and attacks that stall the fight for a long time, you can have a complex and engaging bossfight that doesn't hurt replayability.
>>342572874
>Gameplay is objectively required to not be shit
.
The most important part of a videogame should be required more than that.
>Music - Good music makes a game memorable and popular. It's a fact.
No, it's not.
>>342570171
Let's spice up the thread
Guess what game
I'm a big fan of arcade games and high scores.
>>342570171
5 into Gameplay, Story, Graphics and Art.
We should get the ability to overdrive a stat.
Green is GameWorks inclusion for the inevitable PC version. :^)
>>342572283
that filename
but why
I'll gladly put zero into story as long as it means no story and not an absolutely terrible story that makes you cringe at every turn.
>>342573684
What the fuck is this? Online multiplayer realistic boss rush filled with lore?
Do tou mean the graphics are well optimized or something or they are just more realistic?
>>342574378
Graphics: Graphics technology and fidelity.
Art Direction: I reckon less refers more to stylized, and more refers to realism.
>>342571173
>platinum games presents.
>>342574550
That's the exact opposite of what I thought, no artstyle should means it defaults to realistic.
>>342571761
fuck visual novels
>>342571423
Swap story with graphics and you have subnautica
>>342574851
I am assuming this refers to effort relative to the hardware available. One square refers to crudely made models, five squares refers to well made models. This is what I assume a 1 art style game looks like.
Guess what type of developer I am
>>342572109
Best.
>>342575129
FNAF's dev
>>342575129
Telltale Games?
easy
>>342575272
Similar to mine but yours is more closely aligned with that of a chromosome smuggler.
>>342574520
>>342572083
wanna fuck
>>342570171
Reminder that a game can have shitty core graphics but brilliant art style.
what i would give to play it for the first time again.
>>342570171
I play vidya with the music off
>>342570171
Replayability is the result of all these other things. Side quests is a similar item to the other 2, and something I find to be important to vidya.
>>342578272
thanks doc
>>342578197
Unless it is a game where location awareness is important like in a shooter, then I turn voices all the way up, music maybe about 3/4, and sound effects a bit lower than that.
I hate each and every one of you that didn't put five into gameplay, you are the cancer in videogames.
You should all be euthanized desu.
>>342578310
>the greatest game ever made
Fuck bosses
>>342572140
Fuck man, don't herniate all your blood all over the chart.
How can a game score 3 on boss fights and exploration and have no replay-ability. That doesn't make any sense.
>>342570171
on chromebook, cant edit
but i'll type it for you shitters
gameplay: 5
story: 2 ( i dont like a super well developed story that doesnt keep me guessing )
graphics: 3
music: 4
audio: 2
art style: 4
BONUS
boss fights: 3
exploration: 0
replay-ability: 3
>inb4 spotted le souls fag
good job
Everyone but me is retarded
>>342571046
>audio is important as music, replayability means nothing
kys
Anything else is wrong desu
>>342572058
you know... you got it right
>>342572109
you too
>>342580164
>graphics > music
nah
>>342580164
>having your game be average at everything
Who the fuck even care about bosses?
>>342580328
Alice Returns
Big setup to fight the march hare/dormouse mecha, and they gets killed in a cutscene by a falling girder. I care.
>>342571553
This is good enough for me.
Only real answer. For a game to be as good as it can be, nothing about it can annoy you. Minesweeper lacks a lot, yet is fundamentally a good game. Nier is story focused, and could improve in gameplay, but not to the point where the gameplay is intolerable, and is an awesome game. Different focuses work for different games.
For anyone arguing that gameplay should be at 5, I have 2 things to say. First, it is a video game, not a game. That means it is designed to put graphics to use to bring you something that you can control and enjoy. If graphics weren't important, then people could have been playing table tennis instead of pong. If gameplay needed to be perfect, people could have been playing table tennis instead of pong.
Second, name me a single game with perfect gameplay. Perfect gameplay can not be improved. Every game has a way that it can be improved. Sure, trying to improve some games has led to making the game worse, but that doesn't mean the game was already perfect.
Heres mineGraphux succ
>>342579982
>i dont like a super well developed story that doesnt keep me guessing
But anon, a super well developed story DOES keep you guessing. If you can guess what will happen next, it is actually a pretty underdeveloped story.
>>342580452
Appreciations, doctor.
>>342580248
>2016
>believing that graphics should be poorly done
Top jej. Its much much easier to make great graphics than to compose an entire soundtrack for a game. There's no clarification for graphics either. Are we talking realism with 3D shooters or are we talking about well colored, well put together side scrollers? In either case, good visuals are important to enjoy a game.
Music as well can be average as long as it fits the theme. There are certainly games where the music is so good that it pops right out at you but for most games so long as the music fits it's general fine. Rarely is a game ruined by poor music.
>>342580285
>Playing games that are really good in one area but lacking in others.
Like I posted above. If a game has terrible graphics or design for the sake of a massive audio budget and story with poop gameplay then its a poop game. Like the last of us. Good graphics and story. But the art style was generic and the gameplay was terrible. The music didn't particularly stand out and neither did the voice acting. It was an average game over hyped on its story. Which I couldn't even get through it because it just wasnt that good of a game.
>>342579982
"No exploration"
"Souls game"
"""""3 replay ability"""""
Maybe in DaS1/2, feels like 3 has 2,1,0
I have the best taste.
>>342580686
>Are we talking realism with 3D shooters or are we talking about well colored, well put together side scrollers?
You don't realize the first would fall under graphics, and the second would fall under art style?
>>342580540
Perfectly done.
>>342570171
but it depends, as long as the game focuses on what it's good at i'm game.
>>342580547
i like bloodborne because you use your imagination to fill in the holes, its fun
im not exactly a fan of DaS3 so far, but maybe dlc will redeem it like bloodborne
i know souls games have exploration, i think they should have more replayability and less exploration, thats just my preference, dark souls 1 is probably 3,1,2
i think DaS2 2,1,3
bloodborne 10,0,1
DaS3 2,1,1 seems about right
>>342581003
i forgot to reply to>>342580749
after "redeem it like bloodborne"
sorry im really autistic and tired
>>342580749
DaS 3 has better feeling bosses, and more replayability than 2. 2 has less linear exploration, but the exploration isn't all that great, so it probably evens out with 3.
>>342570171
shit different genre have different focuses.
probably placed mines as some sort of general guideline for most games.
>>342580849
thank you
>>342580820
I disagree. Take a game like borderlands or sunset overdrive.
Take either of these games and fuck with their colors, their attentions to detail like linings on costumes or the environment.
Art style has much more to do with the way things are styled, not much about how nicely their put into place.
>>342581053
also i meant after "fill in the holes, its fun"
the second line was also in response to>>342580749
im gonna stop posting for a while, sorry
>>342570475
why would you want shit audio and god-tier music? doesn't make sense
>>342581070
I don't know about more reputability. I could only play through 3 twice. Played through 2 8 times.
Maybe it's because PVP was just more fun so there was more of a reason to make more builds. Idk.
>>342581139
metal gear rising was pretty fun
>>342581178
but pvp was best in 2, 2 had the best replay ability
>>342570171
these threads are usually lame as fuck but i cant sleep
me as a game dev when
>>342570171
I'm going to assume low points in audio won't make the music sound like shit.
>>342571761
nigga what you want is a movie.
>>342581178
Honestly I didn't take multiplayer into account for replayability since DaS2 was pretty dead for multiplayer when I played it. I guess they would be about equal then, since one is better for single player, while the other is better for multiplayer.
>>342581268
>>342581278
>boss fights 0
GET OFF MY PLANE
>>342581261
Yes, which is why my post talked about me beating 2 on 8 individual characters and praising its pvp.
You did read my post... Right?
>>342572191
>>342572442
To be fair, the only other option is "Boss Fights" which makes even less sense.
I like replayability, but I'd rather have a solid 60+ hour game that was damn near perfect than a pretty good game that will let me have a few extra playthroughs.
Plus, any game becomes replayable after you've gone so long without playing it.
>>342581341Boss fights are overrated
>>342581346i-i was just pretending
>>342581341
>implying I don't get free points in boss fights because if the replay-ability is 3 then you will want to replay it for the ebin boss scenes anyway
>>342581340
I can agree there. I just wish DaS3 wasn't so slow. The beauty in DaS2 and DaS1 was that replaying the game wasn't monotonous and boring. You felt yourself getting better and understanding the routes to getting all the items with every playthrough. DaS3's linearity makes all of that shit itself on your second playthrough, and the whole NG+ to get all the items shit was a direct downgrade to bonfire aesthetics.
>>342581139
music is far more noticeable than sound direction, regardless of quality.
>>342581434I'm glad you tried ;^)
>people who give a fuck about audio
>people who care a lot about graphics
>boss fights
>>342581107
When you are talking about art style, you are talking about how the game is designed to look. Cartoonish, anime, realistic, are different styles. Color choice is also part of a style. Black and white, color, bloom, are color styles.
Graphics is along the lines of resolution and details. For example, Disgaea on the PS2 and DS had the same art style, but the graphics on the PS2 were much better than the DS version.
superior
Posting from phone so no paint
Put 0 points in story and graphics, 5 points in all the other categories on the left
Put 2 points in all 3 categories on the right
>>342570171
This shit is inherently flawed.
Art style, graphics, and music are parts of a game's presentation, which contributes greatly to both its story and gameplay, so separating them into different categories is pretty stupid.
>>342581507ididnt i think im actually retarded :(
>>342581581that's ok anon
Phase 1: I make a thought-provoking indie game designed to appeal to tender-hearted critics and gaming journalists, who quickly catapult me to wealth and fame.
The only true answer.
Fight me.
>>342570171
Anyone who puts less than 5 points into gameplay is a fucking normie and needs to get the fuck out.
>>342581653
Phase 2: After my walking simulator has made me a millionaire, I stab my hipster benefactors in the back by buying the rights to the TimeSplitters franchise and re-forming the Free Radical gang to make TS4.
>>342581536
You essentially repeated what I said, buddy.
Are you saying that it doesn't matter if a game is released locked to 480p, weak details, no anti aliasing or filtering, Etc... that's unacceptable and sloppy especially consider I also noted a 4 for gameplay and story.
>>342581610
your a movie dude
Assuming RPG
By 0 story I mean 'no story' and not 'shjt story'
sound is only 2 because games only need sfx, a perfect game would have no voice acting
I do not believe any of you would be able to understand the artistic meaning of my masterpiece
>>342570171
Gameplay will make or break a game for me. It's the most important part of any game.
A good story can really enhance the experience of a game, just as a bad one can ruin it.
Really pretty graphics are nice, but I can deal without them. Playing on a toaster PC has made me indifferent to high quality graphics, and there's plenty of great games with shit graphics.
Really good music can make gameplay more enjoyable, boss fights more epic, etc.
Audio is... Well, audio. The only game in recent memory where bad audio quality bugged me was Halo 4's shitty gun sounds. But I don't want ass quality audio for everything either.
A good art style can make good use of poor graphics, or make a nice looking game even nicer. Some games are beautiful just for their great art styles.
Boss fights, when done well, can be fucking amazing. There are some games that I played purely for the great boss fights, while in other games boss fights are just there because they're expected.
Exploration... Kind of a grey area. In open world games, exploration gets stale after a few hours, but in more condensed worlds where everything is carefully hand crafted, exploration can be a beautiful thing. I'm just iffy on it, I like exploring but only so many games have done it right for me.
Having good replay value is always great, the more hours a game has me hooked, the better.
OP, you should have added "atmosphere" to the bonus section.
Can we permaban anybody who has story as higher than 3 from this VIDEO GAME board?
Go back to /tv/ or something.
>>342581453
I kinda understand where you are coming from, but at the same time it just didn't feel like 3 was so bad in that aspect that it was THAT inferior to 2. Also, as far as exploration goes, 3 felt like it was a more reasonable world to explore, and more aesthetically pleasing, not meaning just graphically. I guess at the end of the day, they are probably close enough that it just comes down to preferences. Also, don't forget that we have 2 DLC packages to change 3 for better or worse too. Hell, DLC was the best part of BB by a long shot. People praise 2 for the DLC, but I personally preferred the main game over the Ivory King, but I haven't played the other 2 DLC yet. My friend didn't like the other DLC either, and usually our opinions match pretty well so I doubt I will find them much better either.
On a side note, it is refreshing to have a civil discussion on which DaS is better. I don't think I've ever seen that happen before.
>>342581610
>no sounds
>no graphics
So.... is it a sport or something?
Even board games have graphics.
>>342570171
All points in luck, 6 bonus in boss fights
>>342581879
>Are you saying that it doesn't matter if a game is released locked to 480p, weak details, no anti aliasing or filtering, Etc...
Refer to >>342580452
If it is bad enough to annoy you, then it brings the game down. This is why I hate the 3DS. Unless games are designed with poor resolution in mind, which most aren't, then the game looks annoyingly bad. If they are 3D, then they are annoying in gameplay due to having a nub at best for a native camera control.
>>342570171
>tfw OP was testing us for OCD by making it where the left blocks wouldn't get completely filled with color by using the paint bucket
>>342570171
>>342581740
>Audio is lower than 3
AbsolutelyDiguisting.gif
I'm noticing that a fair majority of anons immediately go to red for filling in the boxes. Strange, isn't it?
>>342583717
Yeah, really depends on the genre. If we're talking about competetive games, of course they should be playable for hundreds of hours and so on
>>342570171
I don't even know why my opinion matters at all, just posting it for no reason
Maybe I should've put a few point in audio for voice acting, since immersive games NEED it, but you need some good muzik to set the mood
>>342570171
Most original game coming through.
>>342572109
Finally someone got it right.
H-here I go!
>>342585717
fuck you
>>342585737
>>342585737
lol
>>342570171
Hey everyone, make sure to go out and purchase Fallout 4 with the Season Pass. While you're at it, please go and pre-order Skyrim Special Edition. It just works
>>342570171
>>342570171
Anyone who doesn't think story is the least important thing has shit taste
>>342586309
Thank you fellow anonymous poster, I'll be sure to do just that
best allocation coming through.
>anything but pic related
>>342581561
are you austrian?
>>342586618
>Greatest game of all time
>You can't hear or see anything
ART
R
T
My favorite game is Quake 1.
>>342586823
>vr goggles with haptic feedback
>the first true helen keller experience
>>342586618
You might think you're terribly clever, but you're actually just terrible.
>all of these people putting 2 or lower graphics
So, how is that MN9 going on? It plays just like a megaman game would.
>>342571173
this but swap audio and music
not that i don't like the occasional walking sim or whathave you
pic real ted
>>342581610
this
>>342587136
Basically Dark Souls
story in games is for fags, if you like JRPGs n shit like that kill urself
>>342587239
>dark souls
>exploration
>story
>>342587339
>story
sure
but
>exploration
was basically all the game had, aside from the """"combat""""
I wish i had one more point to put into graphics.
Guess the game style.
>>342571761
That really describes Seacats. Except for the artstyle. But then it grows on you.
The perfect experience. Shame about the replayability though, but might aswell have zero instead of one or two.
>>342586618
And thus MGSV was born.
>>342570171
/thread
>>342587806
>Perfect game
>Story is higher than 3
If I wanted to care about character progression and muh deep lore I'd read a book, swap Audio and Story otherwise I'm pirating your game
>>342588089
>0 gameplay
what is wrong with you?
>>342588089
So Undertale?
>>342588279
Does this shower look like a fucking game to you?
Now undress.
my ideal game
Gameplay: 3
Story: 5
Graphics 3
Music: 4
Audio: 3
Art Style: 2
Boss Fights: 3
Exploration: 3
>>342588392
How hard is using Paint for you?
Like this.
>>342573079
Love it.
>there are people who will put more in graphics than art style
literally why
im deaf
>>342570171
Godhand is like this and it's perfect.
A good story that pokes my feels and creates an emotional investment into the characters and story makes it hard to stop playing at 3 am..
Or rocket league
>people putting graphics higher than 3
>people putting graphics higher than art style
>>342574779
HA!
>>342589851
>>342589908
>>342570171
BALLS TO THE WALL BOSS RUSH NON STOP COMBAT
>>342573232
thanks doc
>>342590134
Why? What's wrong with mine?
>>342570171
make way, make way for FACTS
>>342590359
Balance Boss Fights/Exploration/Replayability perfectly with two poitns each and you pretty much nailed it.
>>342590432
Ok wait.
If the game is good, it's replayable. Why would there be a section for replayability?
>>342570171
>>342591065
>story more important than gamepay
>gameplay doesn't have 5
get the fuck out and stay the fuck out
>>342590632
Not the guy you responded to.
Because a singleplayer game that is the same everytime you play it (think chapters in a story driven game) gets boring after a while.
Shit like monster hunter and minecraft can be played infinitely without getting boring.
>>342591651
low tier bait faggot
2/10 made me reply
>>342591706
gameplay is such a fucking joke for real
>>342591912
I still have no fucking idea what people mean by "exploration" in videogames.
