>>342514232
Doom 2016 isn't actually Doom.
Doom 3 by far.
>>342514232
Doom 2016 is better.
>>342514445
Why?
>>342514332
>I didn't play the game
>>342514232
Doom 3
>>342514610
Much faster gameplay
>>342514617
It's more like Quake to be honest, so he's not really wrong.
>>342514332
>>342514445
Are you guys serious? Doom 3 while being ok in some aspects was really lacking in others, the only really good thing going for it was the graphics
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>>342514740
You should try playing it.
>>342514740
it isn't anything like quake. it's like painkiller.
>>342514784
Its Denuvo. Crack never.
>>342514784
Never ever.
>>342514332
>I just parrot plebbit opinions
>>342514775
Are you new here?
As a rule, /v/ will as contrarian as possible
Doom 3.
If you dont say doom 3 you're a fucking pleb
>>342514847
I did, I love it and it feels like Quake more than Doom.
>>342514857
I'll go ahead and give that game a shot since they're on sale right now. Which is the first one?
>>342514232
Both are good in their own ways, but the 2016 incarnation of DOOM is just good old DOOM changed for next-gen games.
DOOM 3, while having a nice atmosphere, graphics and enemy models lacked in certain aspects. Resurrection of Evil fixed some of those issues luckily.
>>342514857
this
original doom was all about exploration and complex level design and not about linear hallways followed by arena style shooting. most fps were like that back than.
they totally got the new doom wrong. I mean its good for what it is and most people probably wont care because they think doom is just about killing fucking monster. I think brutal doom is kinda responsible for that, fucking killed the new doom.
>>342514232
I didnt really dislike Doom 3, but god damn, I do prefer those hell knights in 3.
>>342514784
NEVER EVER
Doom 3.
>>342515139
i'm pretty sure painkiller is the first painkiller
>>342515139
>Which is the first one?
painkiller
but Painkiller Black edition is all you need, rest is garbage
>>342515317
Steam has several Painkillers listed, but they all have subtitles, fuck it I'll just buy them all.
Doom 3 is a fucking awful game, idk why ~anyone~ liked it when it came out
it's so slow and has no punch. totally pussified version of an FPS. Doom 2016 has more resemblance to Doom
>>342515885
>.25 cents have been deposited on your Bethesda account
Holy shit, people is really defending doom 3?
>>342514232
I have almost no recollection of Doom 3 aside from it being boring, but at least it didn't go full-on Fallout 3 on the franchise. DOOIV!'s demo on the other hand I did play and boy was it bad.
Really it comes down to which flavor of shit you'd rather eat so I'll avoid making a choice entirely.
>>342517012
DOOM 3 doesn't have Denuvo, so yeah.
Anyone who enjoys a game they bought is a fucking shill.
>>342517012
Come on, it's not this bad.
>>342514232
Doom 3
doom 4 didn't feel right
it doesn't feel like idtech
it doesn't feel like doom
it doesn't feel like quake
>>342517602
Care to explain how it didn't feel like DOOM?
Because the vast majority of fans and critics disagree with you.
>>342515418
black edition is the first one and best
>>342514232
Two entirely different games that play completely differently from one another.
I like both. Which I prefer depends on what kind of mood I'm in.
>>342517847
Get the fuck out of here with your reasonable opinion this board is for shitposting about games you haven't played.
>>342517774
>Because the vast majority of fans and critics
Irrelevant, all of these people don't actually play videogames. They only pretend to do it so they can play believe that they are nerds.
>>342518102
>Irrelevant, all of these people don't actually play videogames. They only pretend to do it so they can play believe that they are nerds.
K, so tell me what's wrong with it. Because it's starting to sound like you're one of those people pretending to do so.
>>342515418
No, only buy Black Edition, the rest are crap.
>>342514232
2016.
Doom 3 isn't an actual Doom.
>>342517602
>fast, ceaseless, brutal combat
>open-ended but linear levels with secrets, keyhunting, and unlockables
Fuck yourself, Doom 2016 is great
>>342518205
It's not Doom, even fucking Doom 3 is more Doom than this piece of shit.
>>342518856
k
Hopefully that crack comes out soon so you can play the game and stop shitposting, Anon.
>>342519019
>.25 cents have been deposited on your Bethesda account
>>342519447
You're really reaching for these (You)s, Anon
Is everything okay?
>latest game in series is the worst
>previous game was better
holy shit you faggots are predictable.
>>342519686
>new entry in the series is so bad it makes another bad entry look good by comparison
Fixed it for you.DOOIV! and Doom 3 are both bad
>>342518856
>>342519447
What motivates a man to shitpost in such a way
>>342519579
>>342519916
>shills are officially mad now
>>342520165
Hope you feel better soon, Anon.
Sorry about whatever is bothering you.
>>342517012
gotta be contrarian, /v/ro
>>342514710
You are living in a reality distortion bubble if you truly believe that.
>>342514232
Doom 3 EZ
>>342514232
I've only played Doom 3, so I suppose I prefer it by default.
>>342514232
Doom 3 is just a poor man's attempt at a System Shock/Half-Life style game with some iconic Doom elements thrown in for brand recognition
The shooting feels terrible thanks to the flimsy ass guns and enemies barely reacting to getting shot, all the levels look the same (gray steel corridors or brown rocky areas), the story couldn't be any less interesting despite all the worldbuilding and focus around it, but at least the lighting looks good I guess
>>342522023Rich Evans likes DOOM 3
>>342514232
Doom 4. I refuse to call it Doom or Doom 2016.
>>342518312
>doom 4 combat
>ceaseless
you literally cannot speedrun the game due to forced locking arena areas.
>>342514232
>Doom 2016
DOOOOM you mean
>>342522848
Really?
Because there's already a huge speedrunning scene and the current record right now is something like 1hr.
>>342523060
that's great, but you cannot speedrun the game because of forced locking arena areas.
you can call it speedrunning, but the basic design of the game prevents it. this is why it doesn't play anything like any id software game.
>>342523197
>that's great, but you cannot speedrun the game because of forced locking arena areas.
But people do speedrun the game. They also avoid most arenas entirely.
>you can call it speedrunning
it objectively is speedrunning. What are you on about?
>it doesn't play anything like any id software game.
Right, so you haven't played it.
Doom 4 is not doom in the sense that it downplay resource management a lot. And the majority of monsters are spawn in, not pre placed. A really good player can still beat the monster spawn just by memory, however.
Doom 1 2 utilise a lot of cheap tricks: monster closet , ambush, dark rooms... that slow down the game a lot but give depth to the item collecting. The total lack of "aaa visual standard" at the time also let them be more crazy with level design. Doom 4 IS faster and fairer (not better), the run speed is that high in d1 2 is because that's the only way to balance the monster counts and the craziness.
>>342523197
id made rage and quake 2 :^)
>>342522510
The image is unrelatedHe said fairly recently that he tried going back to Doom 3 after playing Doom 4 and realized that in retrospect it's pretty shit
>>342514232
they are both shit imho, d3 had the better monster design though (it was still shit).
>>342523521
>Doom 4 is not doom in the sense that it downplay resource management a lot
I thought this too until my NM run. I'm constantly on the look out for gasoline now because I'm always out of ammo. It's great. Game really is balanced around NM.
>And the majority of monsters are spawn in, not pre placed.
The spawn ins are pre-placed though.
I agree with the rest, senpai.
>>342523432
go watch quake done quick and tell me how doom 4 speedrunning is "speedrunning" in comparison
i know you kids are autistic as fuck and "speedrun" everything these days but quake was the first significant speedrun game and the purity of its design allows you to go start to finish in the game pretty much never stopping
>>342523637
rage gunplay feels like id software. hating on quake2 is some new era /v/ thing, q2 certainly doesn't feel unquakelike.
>>342524205
>go watch quake done quick and tell me how doom 4 speedrunning is "speedrunning" in comparison
Because Quake is 1/6th as long and you can run past every single enemy in the game that means D44M isn't speedrunning?
Right, but I'm the autistic one.
>>342524483
>Because Quake is 1/6th as long
right.
>you can run past
more like rocket and grenade jump and bunnyhop past but you've never played or seen quake so the fact that QDQ requires about 20x as much skill as a doom speedrun possibly could is lost on you.
I'm at a loss for what a new doom speedrun entails. Make sure you shoot the enemies accurately really fast? LOL.
>>342514784
based mkdev is taking every fucking trigger out of the game one by one. So in a couple of months i guess
>>342523981
They hit harder and act faster in nm, not turning into bullet sponge or spawn more. filthy casul.
>>342524643
abuse glitches and gauss boosting.
>>342524643
>>Because Quake is 1/6th as long
>right
It is.
>more like rocket and grenade jump and bunnyhop past
A crucial part of D44M speedrunning as well. But you've never played or seen D44M.
>but you've never played or seen quake
Nice strawman, what'd you name him?
>I'm at a loss for what a new doom speedrun entails.
Then how about you go watch some instead of shitposting?
Anyways, here's your last (You), autist. Make sure to go cry some more on doomworld.
>>342524643
>Changes argument from its not speed running to it takes more skill
And you throw around the word autistic like you know what it means
>>342525028
why would i watch a speedrun of a game that was too boring to even play through 4 levels of, for an FPS enthusiast.
I'm sorry you kids took speedrunning and turned it onto your autism fuel but there are speedrunning viable games and there are not. Quake is one, new doom isn't
hint: you can't speedrun a game with non deterministic enemy behavior and placement
>>342515252
PC gaming is the best, right?
>>342525191
>hint: you can't speedrun a game with non deterministic enemy behavior and placement
doesn't seem to be a problem for the people speedrunning it
>>342525237
Consoles are hardcoded and hardwired DRM machines
>>342525293
except for that in a game without deterministic enemy placement and behavior all speedruns are invalid because some people get better placements than others.
next
actually don't bother, there is nothing i'd rather discuss less than speedrunning. especially of new doom. lol.
talking to people here, actually spending my energy typing to people who watch streams of speedrunners and shit. basically lowest of the lowest failures of society.
>>342514232
Doom 3 is fine, but it feels more like "Doom: Sidestory" than "Doom Numbered Title" if that makes sense.
>>342525237
of coursh
>>342525459
>speedrunning isn't speedrunning unless i say its speedrunning
k
>>342515243
>original doom was all about exploration and complex level design and not about linear hallways followed by arena style shooting.
Are you implying than pic related, a map from Doom 2016, is more is line with the linear FPS than it is in line with the original Doom ?
>>342525581
speedrunning isnt speedrunning when the game cannot provide every run with the same behavior, no.
that should be blindingly obvious even. it's like having a race where some of the runners lanes have different surfaces or obstacles. would the results of such a race matter?
No.
>>342514232
I actually liked Doom 3 more because it was a pretty massive shift on a technical level and wasn't just a painkiller clone. The atmosphere was also fantastic for the time. A lot of stuff it did was subsequently implemented in shit like Bioshock as well. In terms of pure shooting though, it's obviously inferior to new Doom.
I like both games a lot though for different reasons. Also if you're playing on a console, Doom 2016 is much much much better than Doom 3 was on the original Xbox.
>>342526025
Doesn't DOOM have random damage for several of its weapons, which would slightly impact speedrun times?
>>342525973
Anon, the vast majority of people who cry about D44M on this board haven't played it and are just shitposting.
Don't waste your time.the map you posted is also actually one of the more linear ones. It's funny when people cry about linearity
>>342514232
Doom 2016 obviously, which is great. But I still like Doom 3. It's a good game, just not what I was expecting at first.
>>342526330
>the map you posted is also actually one of the more linear ones. It's funny when people cry about linearity
Kind of. It's not the less linear, but Argent Tower and hell level sure felt more linear tan this one to me. Argent tower being the worst in term of linearity.
>>342526564
Yup, that's why I said one of.
Aside from Argent Tower and that one later Hell map the level design in this game was spectacular.
>>342525459
Seriously just stop talking. You're so fucking stupid and you can't even see it.
>>342515006
oh shit waddup!
>>342524643
You can speedrun any game, regardless of its structure. All that is required is completing the game as fast as possible, that is speedrunning.
>>342514232
>Grey blob vs brown-grey blob
Two colors is better than one. Doom 4 wins.
>>342529024
nuh uh, it's only speedrunning if there are no random elements, if there are skill-intensive tricks to skip large portions of the game, if there are no mandatory objectives that you have to clear in order to progress, and if it's a game I played a lot as a kid.
>>342526859
>talking
Looking good Einstein
>>342529238
A fine set of criteria.
Let's arbitrarily decide things in the future. We will go far, you and I
For SP, DOOM. For MP, Doom 3. I actually like Doom 3's campaign a little but it's flawed how it turns into an action game halfway through but a lot of the spaces are still awkward to fight in even at that point
>>342529238
Wrong, you can speedrun any game as long as it has no glitches, a run with glitches is automatically invalidated because playing the game the way the developers intended is the most fun.
>>342530204
You're pulling my leggero, aren't you
