Is it better than Diablo 2?
>>342505056
haha are you fucking kidding me?
>>342505056
Get this game instead
>>342505056
As someone who's put 10s of thousands of hours into ARPGs I can tell you thatthe whole genre is shit and D3 is more fun but not technically as good of a game.
>>342505056
Don't be retarded.
it's much better than /v/ pretends it is, but there's nothing to do once you get to torment 6
>no one answered the question
T-thanks, /v/...
>>342505056
>>342505181
No and don't.
Play Path of Exile.
>>342506252
D2 is infinitely better.
>>342505181
Seconding this, just don't do a boring build like Lazy Pokemon Master or Hetzer.
>>342506252
>hurr durr is x better than y lolz?
grow up
It's a good game, just not agood Diablo game.
>>342506384
Seconding the pokemon master. Do something fun for your first build but if you want an easy class to farm with on ultimate the pokemon master is great.Christ conjurers are boring as shit
>>342505056
What isn't?
Diablo 2 is a meme game. Worst in the franchise, complete shit only liked by weeaboos and NEETs.
>>342506317
>everyone hates diablo 3 because it's always online and only has a few skill slots
>"you should play path of exile it's the real successor to d2"
>>342505056
nah
Path of Exile only has 6 skill slots, which is fucking pathetic.
Diablo 3 it's a better hack and slash game than a diablo game
Path of Exile is the true spiritual successor of Diablo 2, /v/ will never admit this
there's torchlight if you want a somewhat similar experience but with League of legends graphics
and Grim Dawn if you want the titan quest experience
nothing else is worth mentioning to be honest
>>342506786
I like both 2 and 3, but the only real viable Hell builds in 2 only use a scant few skills or even less. PoE seems to have that problem even worse from the builds i've seen like 95% of the time.
>>342506786
Nobody hates D3 because of always online that is a complete fucking meme excuse.
People hate D3 rightfully because there's no value in "builds" because it's casualized trash for retards that can't handle permanent choices and because it has no trading because Blizzard is too lazy to balance their economy
>>342506898
such a shame
Should I pirate D3 on PS3 or will I just be wasting my time?
>>342507212
>it's unpopular because it's casual
>>342506786
>diablo 2 skills
>not consisting of one spammable skill and teleporting around
Goddamn it's almost exactly like PoE
>>342507402
get a friend to play, you'll have a blast
>>342506898
What is that picture suppose to mean?
>>342507014
hack and slash means an RPG with a focus on combat
so no D3 is a shitty h&s
>>342507605
that shitters like you have no idea what makes a good itemisation system
>>342507479
D3 I'm at least using all my slotted skills. 6 active ones and 4 passives is plenty to play around with.
Meanwhile any Hell viable build for D2 seems to always boil down to a few skills or even less, with others only getting points for synergy boosts.
>>342506252
It's pretty good now with the latest patches, but it's nowhere near as customizable as Diablo 2.
It's a lot faster though and end-game is thriving.
Whether that is good or bad, fuck
>>342506763
did you really think this will work?
>>342507605
it means that unique items should have value, not boring stat boosters
stone of Jordan was the gold standard in d2
The game adds many too many ccolors and focuses much too much on player preservation and enjoyment to be considered a truly good addition to the Diablo series, you're better off just playing Diablo II.
>>342507605
it means kill yourself you fucking idiot
>>342508572
>focuses too much on enjoyment
fucking video games.
>>342505181
I didn't like grim dawn's slow start
It feels like the first 20 levels have nothing for the player to do other than go from quest/area kill enemy.
The leveling system doesn't interest me in it. Although, I have been spoiled by Path of Exile with that crazy as fuck skill tree.
>>342505056
I could even ignore the ass cancer storyline but D3 dropped the ball when it comes to character building and loot/trading which are the things that make a Diablo game for me.
>>342508273
>boring
>one item objectively allows a multiple of the amount of builds that the other item does
okily dokily
nah
>>342509159
not multiple, billions
billions
>>342505056
RoS is significantly better than D2 and its expansion
>>342509302
are you one of those guys who tries to flex the "billions" of builds diablo 2 has becuase you can put different numbers of skill points in?
diablo 2 realistically had 1-2 builds per class per patch and nobody deviated from the main builds except 0.0000001% autists
diablo 3 has a shitton of builds for every class now, it eclipses the original game so far in this fact that it isnt even remotely arguable. Honestly it had more build variety in 1.0
Items aren't fun in diablo 3 and thats why it innately sucks, but every other criticism of it is pretty much null and void at this point..except for visuals/story
>>342505056
More Fun?Yes
Better Game?No_
If you're confused see Path of Exileit's a better game than D3 but the grind isn't fun
>>342507605
To show D3 has better itemization than d2
>>342509652
>Path of Exile
>better game than D3
Nah
>>342509795
it's better than D3 but its execution is flawed
it's like they made a burger out of all the highest quality ingredients but fucked up cooking it
>>342509934
>it's better than D3
No
>>342510060
it is
>>342509585
don't know what you're smoking but diablo 3 has no builds at all
>>342509934
>it's like they made a burger out of all the highest quality ingredients but fucked up cooking it
No its more like they made a burger out of offal then overcooked it
Diablo 3 was the most dissapointing game of all time for me. It seriously killed my urge to give a shit about new games.
It was a fucking slap in the face. Shitty itemization, no trade economy, no choices which means you dont actually make a build for your character.
The story was the most aggravating even if not as important as the itemizaiton and randomization of levels.
At first I enjoyed the games polish, killing things with cleave was satisfying and fun. But the more I played the game the more my hatred grew. The barely random levels, finding more boring ass loot. Learning that everything good could only drop in Inferno. What happened to being able to find super awesome shit even in act 1 hell?
I know now that the Blizzard I grew up with and love is dead and gone. Replaced my soulless investor catering fucktards who will focus on the ultra casuals who enjoy shit like Overwatch and modern WOW.
Fuck Diablo 3 and Fuck Acti-Blizzard.
>>342510184
>diablo 3 has no builds at all
>diablo 3
>no builds at all
FUCK NO
I'm currently playing Diablo 2 and this game is so fucking good
>>342510171
No, no its not.
>>342510416
go farm an item set for your "build"
or whatever loadout you chose today
no but it's alright
>>342505056
With RoS, yes.
>>342510806
>>342510416
Explain how it does have builds. To me a build means I can make a whirlwind barbarian. Another Barbarian that is DIFFERENT like singing or something whatever. The point is you do not grow as atttached to your character or the choices you make because you can undo all of them on the fly. Whats the point of having more than 1 of the same class in diablo 3?
nice unique items blizzard
>>342505056
I want to play Diablo 2
Where do i buy and what version?
Is there any like resolution or gameplay smoothing mods i need or can i jump right in no problem?
>>342505056
Vanilla D3 was lackluster, Modern day RoS is great. You have to be the biggest of nostalgiafag morons to say otherwise.
>>342505056
Yes
>>342510604
Oh you mean, the build I can swap between easily? Nigger you're just hurting your argument.
>>342511340
you can buy it on the blizzard store for $20
>>342510543
It is anon.
All you need to know to see how much Blizzard respects Diablo 2 is to look up Jay Wilson. Fuck that asshole.
>>342511160
0/10
Put some effort into it next time.
>>342511353
>still no character building
>still a rush to endgame
its shit
>>342511340
Lords of Destruction, you can find it at a surprising amount of stores. You need to buy a brand new copy, I believe its called the "Battle Chest" but you can also buy the game online afaik
>>342511498
Said no one ever.
Diablo 3 is trash
When I look at a D2 screenshot, I can instantly say "yep, that's D2".
When I look at a D3 screenshot, it could be hundreds of games really. Its visuals are so stock and devoid of personality it's baffling.
>>342511440
I switched to uninstall wizard asap, easily the best build
>>342506898
so this ring would looks like this? yes?
>>342511772
>When I look at a D2 screenshot, I can instantly say "is that some shitty BG2 mod made by an 11 year old".
Fixed that for you
DARK AND GOTHIC
>Rightfully shit all over D3 for the insulting trash that it is.
>V declares it as trolling
You fags cant defend this game and you know it. Name some good design decisions that improved the game over d2. Go on, ill wait.
>the things they ripped off from POE are great guys!!.
>adding 20 difficulty levels is content!
>>342511979
and remember to add some +2 light radius to those random stats
>>342511353
RoS is garbage. Mainly becuase of the account bound bullshit on items and bots ruining every single ladder rankings. Lack of trading is just idiotic. I could spend my whole fucking ladder spanking mobs and not finding decent weapon/core item. I don't support RMAH but something has to be done.
>>342512139
that isnt a diablo 3 screenshot.
>>342509652
>Path of Exile
Funny, I was looking for some ARPG to sink some time into but completely forgot about this one. Are the P2W elements annoying? Is the game toaster-friendly?
>>342512139
>make 75% of the screen real estate black so there's no graphics processing so shit consoles can run it.
>>342511979
>account bound 2good2trade
>boring numbers out of the ass because shitty designers
>only damage increases
>lvl req 60 hard to balance m8
>3 random mods we rare now
keep erasing until only the word "finger" is left
No, not even close
>>342512328
P2W elements only start being an issue when you tackle endgme content, when you start noticing that some extra stash tabs would make your life easier. Everything else is cosmetics.
>>342512139
>>342512328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w19sqGjmNlY
yes toaster friendly
but the engine it's kinda flawed so even top tier PC's can drop fps when there's a lot of shit going on in the screen
>Be hack nu-Blizzard
>Put nightclub lighting in dungeons
Yes.
Get Torchlight 2 instead.
Hows Van Helsing?
>>342511340
You should get Lord of Destruction with the latest patch. Unfortunately, the game doesn't support higher resolution than 800x600 or 1024x768. There are some mods that fix it but you need to tinker with the patches to do that.
Important thing to note is that these mods will get you banned online, so only offline play gets the benefit of modern resolution.
Been playing PoE prophesy league
its pretty good but i seem to get bored of my char around merciless dried lake and reroll a new one.
Which is bad because ive barely got a good build for currency grinding.
I've been actually enjoying it after not playing for a few years, really like trading and the currency system but i do think its pretty retarded how you cant really play self found
>>342512328
Theres literally no p2w in poe that i know of besides bank space, unless its buying currency
yeah game's toaster friendly unless we're talking real fucking toaster level
The skill tree can be daunting for a newbie, i'd recommend just playing whatever you want and getting a feel for the progression system for your first character.
Then maybe watch some theory crafting videos to wrap your head around how the system works.
Following builds kind of rubs me the wrong way because i like doing things myself but I dont mind it in this game because theres so fucking much going on behind the scenes calculation wise.
download it, give it a go. Learn the currency sytem. Dont waste Chaos orbs on trying to upgrade a level 40 item
>>342513051
There's even more lighting errors in those D2 pics.
There's nothing in this world that makes me drop someone's opinion more quickly than "I play modern Blizzard games".
>>342513363
To be fair, for late 90's tech, they pushed the limits. Diablo 2 actually tried doing realistic lighting and shadows dynamically in 2D which as far as I know, was pretty amazing for the era (Baldurs Gate 2 did not do this)
>>342512786
>>342512694
>>342513171
Got it. Sounds good, I'm actually looking forward to the complexity of the system, as long as the skill benefits are explained in a satisfactory way.
Is there any kind of respec available?
Are D2fags the ultimate autists? Jesus christ, just move on and play a game from this fucking millennia.
>>342513779
partial respec yes, in quest rewards and in game items
but with every league the devs keep fucking around with the tree, so they give you a free respec every 3 months
>>342513402
>Diablo 2 influenced by WoW, released 4 years before WoW existed
>Reaper of Souls not influenced, despite being developed by the WoW team with the same cartoon art style
>>342513779
Respec exists, but it's very limited. 8 passives per difficulty level, I think. You can fix a minor fuckup, but not overhaul your whole build.
>Diablo 1/2
>Weapons made from sharp steel and look like they'd really hurt to be cut by them
>Armour made from tough materials, look like they would survive impacts and cuts
>Diablo 3 and RoS
>Weapons made from moulded, coloured plastic, glowing MOBA effects and blunted edges
>Look like they would "clunk" or "fart" if you tried stabbing with them
>Armour made from warped and chunky coloured materials, like rubber and plastic
>>342514043
Screenshots of WoW exist as far back as 1997
>>342513265
WHOOPS
there are 203 skills in path of exile
and 95 support skills that can alter them in multiple ways
oh yes and they every single class can use them
>>342505056
If you just want something stupid with minimum build customization, get diablo 3. If you want something cheaper, get torchlight 2, If you want something grindy, get Path of Exile.
Diablo 3 isn't a bad game, but the combat system and item system are the only thing they kept from d2.
>>342514905
Less than the combine class skills of D3
>>342514441
>MOBAs invented glowing effects
>>342505056
D2 is better because it set the standard for ARPG's. But D3 is fun in it's own way, but as a successor to D2 it fails. The combat is a lot better, but that's about it.
>>342505056
it's horribly boring. you level to max level in a couple of hours, in another couple of hours you get a full class set, then it's mindless grinding that barely offers any challenge
Poe blows it out of the water in content, item and build variety, challenge, trading (duh). only the gameplay is better
D3 is better because it has good gamefeel
--blizzdrones
Get this instead, with the underlord mod. Actually GOAT.
>>342512516
>d3
>better items
>>342515662
>gamefeel
what does that even means
>>342514729
No, PC gamer revealed Warcraft 3 in september 1999, and the very early alpha build looked mostly like WoW if anything, and was the first glimpse of their 3D engine. The early build of Warcraft 3 is what became WoW. The Warcraft team went on to make Diablo 3, Diablo was made by a different group who went out of business.
Mind you Warcraft is fine and it's own thing, but when the WoW team and nu-Blizzard tries aping the design, it falls short as their team isn't skilled at anything other than Warcraft designs
>>342515091
>>342515992
Funny how even in photoshop, you can't get any detail out of D3.
>>342515868
>>342515868
Actually Condor wanted to make Diablo a turn based single player RPG but Blizzard said no and remade Diablo with heavy influence from Warcraft.
http://www.shacknews.com/article/76406/chapter-8-finale-condor-and-blizzard-lock-horns-over-diablo
To this day Condor/Bliz North have never made a game worth playing by themselves.
>>342515992
haha way to still fuck up
>>342515992
d2 babies BTFO
How tough are you /v/?
>>342515992
Terrible attempt, and man does D3 look like League of Legends there
>>342505056
>Watched Diablo 2 cinematics and then watched Diablo 3 cinematics
How did it go so wrong?
>>342516531
>To this day Condor/Bliz North have never made a game worth playing by themselves.
there was a lot of splinter companies from the remnants of bliz north, anet was one of them though they're way past their glory days now
>>342505056
Back when I played D1, that felt the best
Back when I played D2, that felt the besteven with mods and sp stash programs
Nowdays when I play D3, that feels like the best.
I got bored with PoE
Why would people give a shit about what other people think about games.
>>342516094
>>342516731
>>342517175
Spot the samefag
>>342517190
Bad writing and voice work, and they made the gods talk way too much, like saturday morning cartoon villains who boast about their nefarious plans. I don't think "Dude, shut up" was the response Blizzard wanted us to have to Diablo and his lords. I remember laughing at something Diablo repeatedly kept saying during the end battle grind
I have no idea how nu-Blizzard thought it would be a good idea
>>342515091
Terrible attempt, and man does D2 look like League of Legends there
Diablo 1 has great atmosphere and a decent plot, not to retarded or comic booky, gameplay is pretty bad, game is overall pretty basic and lacking.
Diablo 2 has awful repetitive and boring gameplay, everything looks the same, the classes are all dull and boring itemization is garbage items are bland stat increases 9 times out of 10, classes are unbalanced and some builds are completly usless, the atmosphere from the first game is gone and the game looks and feels like a saturday morning cartoon, the plot is deviant art levels of awful and it rapes the lore hard and the game offer's absolutely no challenge
Diablo 3 (RoS) has great gameplay with plenty of replayability and loads of extra modes, plot and atmosphere is better than 2 but not as good as 1, music is amazing and fits really well, classes are very well done and play differently from each other, spells are all useful and satisfying, the game has great items with loads of depth and customization and no one build or class completely dominating.
The only people who think D2 is good are the casuals with nostalgia goggles on, D2 was casual garbage back in the day and it still is now.
>>342512287
bots always run the top of the ladders.
If they arent, they are teams of people who spend all their time just to achieve that.
>>342517962
>>342517639
Spot the samefag
Seriously though, how do fans of Diablo 3 who prefer it to the classics even exist? It's like the "Fallout fans" who started with 3 and think it's better than 1/2
>>342509050
>crazy as fuck skill tree.
>Take quickest path to keystones
>pick up all life and ES nodes on the way
>grade A HC viable build
Diablo 1
>Deep atmospheric dungeon
>you can group with other players, watch out using those powerful spells though because there is
>friendly fire
>watch out people can pvp you at any time!
>talk to townsfolk and read ancient tombs to learn story. they really add to the atmosphere!
Diablo 2
>haha warcraft artstyle! who needs atmosphere? diablo is a game about clicking and looting!
>WoW style talent tree full of pointless filler garage
>Story is literally something you would find on deviant art or in a saturday morning cartoon
>no friendly fire
>Super casulized dumbed down RNG based combat and potion spamming
>no more spell tombs to find
>Game looks and feels like a saturday morning cartoon
Diablo 3
>Good atmosphere not quite as good as Diablo 1 but way better than Diablo 2
>Good combat with a large veriaety of class builds
>Lots of End game content
>Decent story (even better with RoS)
>Game is constantly expanded with free content
There's no necromancer
There's no skeleton army
Its shit.
>>342511245
Oro's is probably the worst example of good design.
I fucking hate the new community designed uniques. If only improves on the current best builds with no innovation. GGG is becoming a sellout with their supporter packs.
>>342518387
Literally the only people who try to use an easy edited MSPaint screencap as "proof" are the ones smafagging.
>>342518476
>being this deluded
>>342518110
Diablo 1/2 aged better. Because they came out at the end of the 2D era with high-end 2D graphics (although if 2D games were still made, which I wish, they might look dated). With the exception of Act 1 which was more pixelated. Act 5 looked very realistic
Diablo 3 was already dated looking when it came out, with low-end 3D graphics that despite looking a decade behind, caused PC's to chug, or at least my Radeon card which was high-end in 2011 when it was released. Which is odd as Blizzard has tried making cartoony 3D graphics that can run well on toasters (WoW does this well), but D3 was somehow very poorly optimized. Then again I only played it for a couple months after release before the community died so maybe they optimized it later
>>342518476
This is the worst live post on this entire board at this time. Well done!
>>342518110
>>342518476
holy shit i just noticed this
a bona-fine autist
>>342518476
Ah, the "pretend to have oldschool cred so you can shill a shitty modern game" strategy. One of my favorites, second only to "don't like it? you didn't play it!"
>>342506317
i didnt really like path of exile compared to d2
i thought it was alot more grinding to do and it felt like a chore
>>342519123
>>342518476
>Good atmosphere
>Dungeons are unrealistically cavernous and filled with colored neon nightclub lighting with no source
>No spooky shadows or lighting effects like a horror game would have
>No Matt Uleman soundtrack
>Villains do lengthy, cheesy monologue
>Chunky 3D models
>Combat is a spastic mess of neon effects, numbers and annoying enemy enchantments
D3 is a turd
case closed go home
lmao.. is this a troll thread or something. how the fukk can u play this shit in 2016? look at the graphics lmfaoo
D2 is a turd
case closed go home
>>342520226
Still doesn't make sense, IIRC I was running Left 4 Dead 2 and Battlefield 3 at max settings and high frames in early 2012 after getting my HD6970 and an i7 CPU, But Diablo 3 had bad framerates for a game with cartoon toaster graphics and no lighting. Had to put my air conditioning pointed at the PC from all the heat. I quit the game by about late June because everyone stopped playing it and I was redpilled by /vg/ on what gear checking is and how Inferno Act 2 was a gear check (that Blizzard put in to try to make players use the RMAH)
Maybe a driver issue, maybe just sloppy optimization causing a memory leak
>>342520342
Bait
>>342520342
>>342520789
Stop shitposting and reversing/swapping everyone's posts, holy fuck
>>342505056
Real answer: yes and no.
As a narrative experience, no. Any attempt at creating a Gothic atmosphere is abandoned, and dialogue is only ever either expository or comical. D2 in its cutscenes had some of the best storytelling in video games, but D3 does away with that entirely. I cannot overstate how bad D3's story is. Even if you go in with the lowest of expectations you will be disappointed.
As a game, D3 is better. As of RoS, the mechanics are extremely tight and complement each other very well (this is what people mean when they say RoS fixed everything). It's almost a perfect game and probably the apex of ARPG gameplay.
If you want to go on a adventure, you play D2. If you want to play a great game with impressive depth and potential for mastery, you play D3. There's room for both types of games in the world.
>>342520342
note, neutral unless otherwise defined.
So how exactly are you meant to progress beyond Torment X? Steadily farm slowly-increasing GRifts until Paragon points carry you higher and higher?Grim Dawn is the best ARPG on the market.
![1466713886742[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/p0pQsAl.png "1466713886742[1].png")
>>342522903
and this is what happens when you spend 30 mins coming up explanations based on logic.
>>342523003
If it's so good, why doesn't anyone play it?
>>342521580
If you want to go to an adventure,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1bsTHzpcSY
>>342523629
If it's so bad, why can you not create a sound argument?
>>342506786
PoE is free to play and has sort of an MMO thing going on at the same time.
Diablo 3 cost $60 and had a single player mode that required an online connection for no reason.
>>342505056
Not even close.
>>342523713
Hell yeah my nigga.
But D2 does have better writing. D1 is a bit hammy, though it is gloriously so.
>>342505056
Yes, much better.
>>342515868
>DAIKATANA!
>>342512406
Have you even played Diablo 1?
>>342505056
>Is it better than Diablo 2?
Yes, however that isn't saying much.
Diablo 2 was awful.
>>342505181
I wanted to like it, but fuck was it boring.
rip
>>342508195
yes
>>342505056
It's not.
