All shilling aside, would it be worth checking this out as someone who quit during WotLK?
nah dont. memes aside the game is legit trash and nothing like it was
Judging from the beta its literally WoD 2.0, meaning you should stay far away.
>>342490147
It's worth a look. If you have fun with leveling you will like the Cata, MoP and WoD zones.
Legion looks pretty good but it depends what you are looking for.
>>342490284
>Judging from the beta its literally WoD 2.0, meaning you should stay far away.
Legion will have more content than WoD has now.
PvP isn't fucking awful right now in the PTR
of course it might change once people play with these abilities at level 110 instead of 100.
>>342490147
They confirmed 3 Raid Tiers. They confirmed they will replacing the island they just cut with another island.
That is more than enough for me to sub but I am not /v/
>>342490518
>Complains about PvP at 100
>When its balanced for 110
Dank af
>>342490692
notice I said it "isn't fucking awful"
I love it right now
minus barrage being broken
>>342490692
PvP at 110 is fucked as well though. Melee have way too much uptime on ranged and hit like fucking trucks
Im telling you as a multiglad, its going to be awful.
>>342490852
Considering they haven't even done the first balance pass yet on Beta or PTR for 110 Numbers I would say you are kinda wrong.
This is coming from a MultiGlad Enhance Shaman who knows how Blizzard uses the hammer of nerfs. I am gonna get nerfed into the ground by Legion launch.
>>342491081
Nah, turbo is gonna run amok again. I bet the only thing that happens is the reflective totem nerfed because of 1500 heroes being incapable of totem stomping.
And it still doesnt address the problem of melee vs casters. Unless melee damage is nerfed ridiculously hard, to the point where I just let them sit on me, casters wont be playable. And if its nerfed that much Im going warlock and sitting in my free cast circle
>>342491289
why nerf when you can buff instead?
>>342491428
Because everybody dying in 2 hits is even less fun than ranged dying in 2 hits.
I don't see any people clearing mythic hfc unless they buff several classes at 100/launch or nerf hfc heavily
I'm a weak piece of shit so I'll probably end up playing it when it launches for the first month.
>>342491594
What's better, everyone dying quickly or every 1v1 lasting 2 minutes if you perfectly chain your CC and CDs?
Playing in beta for this time might have killed the hype a bit for me, mostly because of making wrong spec decision on my class and most class order hall quests not working and so forth
Along with getting DC'ed every 15 minute or so
>>342491594
objectively false, wotlk had best PvP
Dont fucking do it
WoW had its peak, they cant fix it at this point anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA49d2SsH88
Well it's nice to see that Blizzard are consistent with their absolutely disgusting writing and shit storytelling.
Voice acting seems to have gotten considerably worse too.
>>342492220
>they cant fix it at this point anymore
Now, now. I love to unabashedly hate things as much as the rest of you, but this is objectively wrong and you know it.
Any WWs on PTR tell me if the spec is boring or not? I get the whole DH stole our kit meme but is it still as fast as WoD? They can't have slowed the spec down even more. They can't have.
>>342492419
But they cant
they opened pandoras box back in Wrath/Cata and cant go back because casuals will cry way way way too hard
>>342492335
>that naaru voice
>changing all those voice actors
I guess I wouldn't wanna voice something I did 13 years ago for a small amount of time either.
>>342492765
I took Ascension/Dragon Kick and it felt decently fast.
palm, kick, palm, rsk, palm, fists, palm, dragon, palm, kick, etc.
not really waiting on globals often
>>342493050
Did they finally fixed Storm, Earth and Fire?
This ability was clunky as hell.
>>342493458
they ruined it
>>342492335
why are the talking animations slowed down? Why does it look so retarded? Fucking tales of the past was done with more professionalism and it was just a hobby for those fuckers and happened like 10 years ago
>>342493458
That was one of WW's coolest abilities, now it's just another generic cooldown.
Are people still playing this streamlined garbage?
>TFW my boyfriend is an edgelord who's gonna roll DH for legion
should I just break up with him now?
>>342494149
Yeah, hook up with me.
>>342494149
yes also postboipussy
>>342492781
The only bad expansion in wow was WOD
>>342490147
You can actually ask for month of free time and you'll get it (including WoD)
That's how desperate they are for subs
And to answer your question
>is it worth checking out
No,I got a 7 days free couple months ago,I stopped playing after 30 mins
Just doesn't feel the same anymore
I hope this helped
>>342494414
Wrath, Cata and Mists were all bad expansions
>>342490467
Honestly I hated Draenor because outside of raiding there was fucking nothing to do and reputations were fucking shit and consisted of almost exclusively grinding out mobs for hours on end for tiny returns.
I'd even be fine with MoP daily quests at this point.
>>342494879
>You can actually ask for month of free time and you'll get it (including WoD)
What?
>>342494890
>Wrath
Peak of the game.
>Cata
Cata was great at first and had a decline.
>MoP
Had some of the best raids in the game.
The only "bad" expansion for someone has actually played them is WoD.
>>342494149
>breaking up with someone over shallow things
>>342495095
Not even kidding
If your account is inactive just message them and ask for free game time
>>342490147
I've been keeping up with the class redesign fuckery for quite some time. Here's what I know about the changes:
>fucked beyond repair
All 3 Rogue specs
BrM and MW Monks
>just boring, not enough buttons or low interactivity between different class mechanics
Vengeance Demon Hunter
Feral, Guardian and Resto Druids
Prot Paladin
Prot Warrior
Resto Shaman
Frost Death Knight (been this way since WotLK)
WW Monk
>improved over old Cata/MoP/WoD mechanics
Surv and MM Hunter
Disc and Shadow Priest
Enh Shaman
UH Death Knight
On actual state, tested on PTR, you cant clear mythic HFC
Trinket procs are nerfed, your overall damage is nerfen by 20-30k depends on class.
New abilites are ok, but on this state you cant get past 3rd boss
>>342495743
For real? Wasn't it just the shit gear you're given on PTR and PTR shitters being shit?
>>342495718
Got any opinion on warlocks? Are they just the same ole shit?
>>342495302
>wrath
>peak of the game
more like beginning of the end. Wrath was trash
>>342496213
Demo saw the most changes but I didn't look into how Warlocks work very much. Also Affliction's artifact weapon has bizarre "on death" skills that seem like a wasted slot for Arena.
>>342495718
Assassination isn't THAT bad, but it's very clunky and weird to play but it "works"
>>342496213
Not him but
>Affliction
Resembles Vanilla/BC affliction more than the modern focus on drains and haunt
>Demo
Fun as fuck but still awkward because everything has a cast time, probably gonna be dogshit in PvP
>Destro
Shards are worse than embers, but it's the same old shit it has been building to
All 3 specs do no damage
>>342495718
What about Retribution? Saw that they're getting a lot of Crusader abilities from D3. How bad is it?
>>342496585
Demo isnt fun, it flows like fucking molasses.
Demonic Empowerment is an awful spell, you need 10 Weak Auras to play the spec correctly and even then its boring as fuck
only people who like demo are those who get hard just at the thought of imps, the spec plays like literal ass
>>342496585
>All 3 specs do no damage
Can we stop with this until the actual release? They're still tuning numbers
>>342490147
All shilling aside, absolutely no.
Nah it's the same shit as usual
>>342496870
>you need 10 Weak Auras to play the spec correctly
Weird, I can swear I heard the exact same opinion from a very whiney youtuber past his prime in terms of being good in WoW
>>342496585
>>342496870
>>342496489
Thanks fellas, as long as Affliction is fun and not gutter trash I'll be good.
>>342497025
WE WUZ WARCHIEFS AN SHEEEIT
>>342497295
Not for long
>>342497026
And now you can hear it from a US top 50 warlock
The spec is unplayable without Weak Auras because there is no way to track empowerment and there is no way to track number of demons in the base UI, which is core to how the spec functions, especially when the artifact spell scales with the number of demons you control
>>342497432
What about arms warriors? I played arms up all the way to Wotlk when I quit then had to switch when I resubbed at WoD. Is the pvp still garbage and my favorite spec uselss? Should I just buy Black Desert?
>>342497615
its better than WOD
thats all I got. Im not a big warrior guy but its not whirlwind spam anymore
>>342497615
Press Colossus Smash
Go AFK
Win game
>>342497432
>>342497597
OY, FEMINISM! FEMINISM PLEASE HELP! Someone cover up that midriff right now!
>literal cucks will unironically pay 49€ for this
I wish I made this up
>>342497771
Done
>>342497749
I think you mean press mortal strike hit for 150% of your opponents healthpool
>>342497868
>Placeholders
wew lad
>>342492419
Wow is beyond saving at this point and that's a fact
>>342498059
>implying a garrison UI period is okay
>>342498157
It's not but at least the emphasis is way down
>>342497450
There are still 50 people playing warlock or wow in general?
Pre-patch PTR is free to everyone right now, go try it and get it out of your system.
>>342497771
TBF, I didn't like her original costume. "Armor bikini" has always struck me as dumb outside of optional cheesecake armor sets.
>>342497432
>>342497597
BEST GIRL
>>342498059
>i-it's just a placeholder guys
>everything will be different, this time for real!
>PLEASE COME BACK
[muffled cocksucking in the background]
>>342490147
No.
>>342498447
You know how I can tell that you never played Warlords?
Because past the quests to construct the garrison you were literally never required to set foot in it again.
The only thing that could me back into paying 13 bucks a month for WoW are legacy realms.
I'm actually looking foraward to Blizzcon and hope for them to get announced
>>342491716
>classes
>>342491716
>>342498635
Not if you wanted to raid, you needed to do the shityard to get the legendary ring, and if you werent doing the missions you were passing up free fucking raid gear
never mind how bad the gold inflation was because of garrisons. If you werent doing garrisons for gold then you fell way behind the curve
>>342498635
Yeah except you fell behind by not collecting that endless free gold, reagents, alt gear, legendary ring (required for raiding).
>>342498635
Jokes on you, I'm currently subscribed and was since the launch of WoD.
The game is a steaming pile of shit and Legion is shaping up to be a complete trainwrek.
>>342492180
>human casters use % mana trinket because no need for pvp trinket
>dks being fucking op as shit
>shadowmourne in arena lolol
etc, etc
>>342498859
So you're basically complaining about walking into your garrison, clicking on the loot box and legendary item missions and then clicking the launch mission button?
You're going to mock an entire expansion for something which takes you 60 fucking seconds of game time a week?
>>342499000
>German
This explains everything
>>342490284
>Judging from the beta its literally WoD 2.0, meaning you should stay far away.
This.
Don't go anywhere near it.
>>342499274
you don't understand the main problem people has with shitlords of draenor
kill yourself and never post again
>>342499274
I'm going to mock an entire expansion if the only playable content is CLICKING THE LAUNCH BUTTON FOR 60 SECONDS A WEEK.
>>342499274
Yes
THIS is not acceptable content for a game. It should not spit out thousands of gold, mythic raid gear and legendary items. It shouldnt be involved at all, and the "wait 6 hours" component makes it even fucking worse
there is no justification for this trash. 1 minute is 1 minute too much
How can people say Legion is going to be bad? They havent given any reason other than assumptions about future mistakes, and the class order hall table but thats almost a non issue.
>>342499640
So we're ignoring all the dungeons, raids, world quests, reputations and ashran?
>>342499568
>you don't understand the main problem people has with shitlords of draenor
What is it? Enlighten me.
>>342499670
Don't do it then, that's pretty fucking simple. There's plenty of other content out there
>>342499760
>non issue
the fact that after WoD there is anything remotely like the garrison is a fucking disgrace
>>342499760
It's literally WoD 2.0
Look up all the videos and feedback from before WoD launch. It's exactly the same.
These expansions aren't made to hook you up for years. They are build to cuck you out of your 50 bucks for the game, a month of sub fees and maybe some shoptmounts before you quit again and play something actually fun.
>>342490147
Played the beta, it's better than WoD for sure, but overall it's still a shadow of what old wow was, and the new features don't make up for that. The best thing is the new animations and spell effects, the combat feels a lot better. Maybe if they really do pristine realms it could be a decent game, but right now it's not worth investing money for the expansion and game time unless you're a wow addict.
>>342499760
data that has been gathered over time can be quantifiable and qualitative.
>>342499981
>There's plenty of other content out there
Oh I'm laffin
>>342500080
>wow addict
>in 2016
How would that even work?
>>342500027
What was the problem with Warlords?
It's already been said that it wasn't Garrisons
>>342500027
>L I T E R A L L Y
You, me, and 70 percent are going to buy it and try it anyway.
A good 50% of those 70% will quit the next 2 months after playing.
The last 50% might find something fun and stay a little longer.
>3 raid tiers
>every class has class quest now
>fury warrior attack animations are amazing
>gearing for pvp is gone
>the content looks really interesting
We will see...
>>342499981
>dungeons
Useless except for maybe the weekly Mythic dungeon
>raids
Takes 4 hours to clear it in one day and for the rest of the week nothing else to do.
>world quests
You mean Legion?
>Reputations
Easiest shit to grind and will probably give you a couple hours of enjoyment.
>AHRAN
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THE PVP "ZONE" THAT KILLED WORLD PVP ONCE AND FOR ALL?
>>342500165
Tell that to the people still playing and paying for WoD. I can't explain why they still pay monthly for a game with no content and no updates through anything other than addiction.
Probably gonna try Legion because it's the only expack I didn't give a shit about and thus didn't spoil myself by checking all the beta updates and shit.
>>342500121
You can laugh all you want but it pretty much proves you didn't play Vanilla or BC. People ran out of quests while actually leveling and the end-game stuff was horrible rep grinds for vanilla and repetitive dailies for BC.
Pandaria and Warlords have both focused on giving people many choices of world content which actually took quite a long time to finish, for example the garrison campaign quests and invasions.
Now what is actually true here is there weren't as many raids as the previous expansion
>>342499981
Stop being a god damn retard.
I am currently subbed by buying the tokens for 40k gold a month.
But all the people playing are bored as fucking shit with nothing to do. All there is to do is gold grind at this point and buy as many tokens as you can.
Everyone is geared out
90% of players have all level 100's
THE GAME IS JUST A GOLD GRINDER. THERE IS NOTHING.
>>342500738
>for example the garrison campaign quests and invasions.
Yeah all 6 of those
>>342500380
What you just listed actually made me laugh
Because it is the exact list which is posted every single expansion on this board
Everyone says the dungeons become pointless, the raids become pointless etc. Well no shit, once you've experienced the content and are fairly geared that's where people generally stop playing and it's been the same since Burning Crusade
>>342500738
So tell me, just how much do they pay you to spout this nonsense?
Sure, Pandaria actually had content, but Warlords has almost no worthwhile content at all. It's just so fucking devoid of it.
>>342500738
Invasions were fucking useless though
>>342500816
Compared to like all 6 shatari skyguard and ogre dailies in BC
which were the same
every
single
day
You don't have a clue what lack of content is.
There's enough content to justify the entertainment cost of $50, but if you're expecting the game to magically be revived to the glory of WotLK, then no.
>>342501094
>simon says addon
i miss her
>>342500976
What nonsense? What did I say which was incorrect?
Do yourself a favor. Fly over to Skettis in Outland.
Do the dailies.
Come back here.
Tell me that's worthwhile content.
>>342497597
I love how much of a bitch she is.
>>342499436
>Overwatch memer
This explains everything
>>342501031
So is pretty much everything outside raiding as has always been the case in WoW
Can I play the PTR if I don't have an active subscription?
>>342501386
>I don't know what a meme is
Alright, that's probably not a good thing if you're gonna post on 4chan
>>342501391
Except for when gear wasnt spoonfed to you through LFR and Garrisons so reps, crafting and heroic dungeons mattered and took more than a day to be done with
What should I use my free 100 on guys?
>Frost mage for lonely winter pvp
>Shadow priest for pvp
thoughts?
>>342501275
You keep trying to talk trash about TBC, but I honestly couldn't care one bit about it right now. I'm talking about WoD and it's absolutely disgusting lack of content for the asking price.
>>342501526
LFR gear is complete fucking garbage
In fact the current profession gear and tanaan jungle gear does actually beat it hands down. I get what you're trying to say here but really the catch up system started in BC and then went overboard in WoTLK to the point where everyone could get the gear necessary to raid without doing dungeons, reps, professions but instead just some simple world questing
Reminder that just because you personally dislike something doesn't make it not content
>>342501865
I'm not talking trash about it, can you please learn how to read?
I'm telling you the amount of content which was actually in BC was SEVERELY LESS than even fucking Warlords. They pretty much copy and pasted two dungeon tilesets to try and compensate for the lack of things to do in the world through more dungeons
Even in WoTLK they started out by actually recycling an entire raid. Thank God Ulduar saved the expansion
>>342497927
Damn, that face texture is really crisp.
>>342501880
>LFR gear is garbage
not when they buff it again in Legion, and at the start of WoD it was still BiS pre-raid.
That also doesnt address the fact that dungeons are blown through so ridiculously fast (lack of difficulty, LFD, general smallness of the instances) that we need NINE(9) difficulties of dungeons for them to remain in use.
And reps are just flat out trash lmao. Remember in TBC when reps had pre-raid BiS? Remember in Wrath and Cata when you at least did the reps for enchants? Now they are fucking useless.
Blizzard needs to realize that dungeons are already the lowest difficulty of content, and that making ANY gear equal to or lower than heroic dungeon ilvl is completely worthless.
>>342502415
>and at the start of WoD it was still BiS pre-raid.
I'm fairly sure the daily challenge mode reward gear and the invasion gear both had a higher ilevel than LFR gear.
Whats a dps class that will guarantee me a raid spot in legion
>>342502258
Yet doing those instances took 10 times more time and effort than anything since then
>one raid saved an expansion
wrathbabies disgust me
>>342502815
DH :^)
So whats the official mage spec of 7.0?
>>342503486
Probably Fire, since its way less crit dependent
Arcane is gonna be with high mastery
>>342494149
Roll paladin and crucify him
>>342490215
/thread
>>342495095
Not really true, you can ask for 24 hour of gametime, but its only for specific reasons, such as if you want to buy a game token, but dont have the gold for it, you can get a friend to send you gold so that you can buy a token in game.
