So... did you keep the promise?
I know I did.
monthly reminder that if you did genocide you have no conscious/heart
>>342447238
yea
>>342447238
Nope, did a Genocide run right after & then did another True Pacifist run. Haven't played it since.
>>342450476
If I loaded a save file I found online just to fight sans and then reset just for the challenge do I still get a ribbon?
>>342447238
I played genocide after that
>>342451391
>killing sans
You get half and that's generous.
>>342451391
probably not lad
yeah i did! i deleted it and got a refund because it sucked
>>342447238
I reset so my friend could play the game. When Flowey was all "Oh, we've already been through this," he got confused.
>>342451473
>>342451501
Not even killing him, just until the part where he goes to sleep and then watching the rest on YouTube
I only played genocide run.And then I located the memory files that affect the game when you start it back up and deleted those.And then I uninstalled the game:)
>>342451559
don't act so worried famicom it's just game:^)
>>342451505
but it takes much longer than 2 hours to clear true ending?
You shouldn't replay the game for the simple reason that it is a waste of time; go look up a video on YouTube instead.
>>342447238
I finished with Genocide. No regrets.
>>342451594
>>342451716
Yep. Haven't opened the game since I beat the full pacifist run. Didn't do genocide either.
I didn't play again after True Pacifist.
...But I've since ran DBAN to do a clean Windows install, so I genocided their world anyway.
>>342453420
I want to fuck that genocidal sociopath.
>>342453817
Girl Chara porn, both pics and scenarios, get to my dick far more than they should.
>>342453817T
>>342447238
> tfw you rebooted the game immediately after doing pacifist just to see this message
Really wish I didn't spoil myself on this. Would've been neat to see that if I decided to return one day for another playthrough.
>>342453817
You're only making it stronger.
>>342447238
Nah, I killed 'em all for shits and giggles. It was fun, like building an ice sculpture then taking a sledgehammer to it.
>>342447238
Nope.
Did a Neutral run, then a Pacifist run, then a Genocide run.
You can't fully experience the game without playing all 3 routes.
>>342447238
>Frozen reference
Shit game
>>342454383
I don't agree
The experience that you and other people who never did genocide route had was only different, none more "full" or "better" than the others. In the end it was only you who decided they needed to see "what would happen if I just killed everyone?"
Same reason why I can play a game without %100 it and have a perfectly fulfilling experience.
>>342454501
you're not even trying
>do normal, the true pacifist
>do genocide, get to the point where sans is sleeping in the fight, reset and do true pacifist again
>not even getting the chance to kill Alphys, the most thoroughly reprehensible person in the game with the possible exception of Chara itself, because even Flowey has an excuse
If Undertale was serious about testing my moral compass, it would have given me a chance to kill the most obnoxious and unlikeable RPG character since at least Bianca from Pokemon Black and White. All the others, there's SOMETHING I like about. I admire Asgore's willingness to take a stance that kinda favors his people even when it costs him the thing he wants most, but also understand the pain that stops him from going through the most favorable stance. Papyrus is fun. Undyne is fun, though she has shitty taste in women. Sans is OK in his own right, and I dig the whole "lazy guy who knows more of what's going on than anyone else does and holding back badassery until the last moment" thing he's got. Mettaton is fun and even the things he does that sucked were forced on him by Lizardbitch. Even Toriel, who betrayed her people in their time of need in favor of a wrong-headed moral stance, I can kinda understand her moral stance, though I have a preexisting bias against mothers. But Alphys? Tumblr: The Character? A fat dork with a gratingly obnoxious personality, who actually has done enough sufficiently bad things, such as creating the Amalgamates and Flowey as well as trying to portray herself as a hero by putting Frisk in situations that if one damn wire was connected wrong could end up giving Asgore that seventh soul without meaning to, that she SHOULD feel bad about herself and should definitely kill herself? Yeah, I bet Toby himself realized "Hmm, nobody in their right mind would ever spare this person. But half the story is only revealed in the True Pacifist ending, and I don't feel like changing that. So I'd better not make her an opponent in battle."
Nah I killed everyone and was gonna leave the world destroyed but brought it back without selling my soul because fuck you game you can't get preachy on me.
>>342454630
Sad thing is Toby was, and he made absolute garbage.
>>342454694
You don't like her because she reminds you of yourself. The past or present you, it doesn't matter.
But it makes you uncomfortable, so you hate her.
>>342454591
What's the point of playing half the game and just watching a video of the rest of it? It'd be different if, like, you weren't good at the game and couldn't beat Undyne the Undying or Sans, or you just didn't want to face the hours of grinding. But it seems like half the people in this thread avoided it because they didn't want to hurt the characters or some shit.
I mean, hell, I love Undertale, but what kind of person becomes so affected by it that they will just ignore an entire third of the game because you're suddenly the bad guy? It adds a whole new perspective to the story, and without it Sans wouldn't have half the appeal he has, and you'd know close to nothing about Chara's real personality.
>>342454694
Hey, I like Alphys.
>do genocide first
>get aggravated to shit by the fish
>finish it anyways
>delete all genocide files and attempt to do pacifist run
>EXTREME COOKING
>now love the fish
>give up playing before getting to the flamboyant robot againwhy in fuck couldnt i kill that fat yellow shithead
>>342454694
>I admire Asgore's willingness to take a stance that kinda favors his people even when it costs him the thing he wants most
He did not want to kill the humans. He was just too much of a pussy to tell his people he was calling the war off after he calmed down post Asriel and Chara's deaths.
If he had wanted to smash the barrier and fuck up some humans, he could have done so easily, as Toriel said.
He was trying to have it both ways, just waiting, hoping 7 humans wouldn't show up.
>>342447238
Yep. Got true ending for my first and only run.
>>342451682
You can play the game without steam open. Won't track your time then.
>Didn't kill anyone first time through because I was part of the demo threads on /v/ a while back
>Finished true pacifist
>Did genocide run
>Restart and do true pacifist run
>Tell myself ill delete save files and redo true pacifist
I never did because I felt it was a waste of time. I don't see why people care about doing a genocide run. At the end of the day, its a video game and I want all my moneys worth.
>>342454694
>Gets into an official position
>Fucks up
>So scared of her fuck up she retreats inward
>Just shitposts online, watches anime, and contemplates suicide
Honestly, Alphys is a pretty realistic depiction of a socially awkward depressed nerd.
Probably why a lot of self-loathing types on the internet hate her so much.
>>342455034
Because some people are happy with the final ending and don't want to even bother to betray those people they already played through twice and put in a good number of hours into to save? If you can't understand why people would be unhappy with fucking something that nice up just because they're curious I don't really have anything to say. Some people are alright with not making the game their bitch. Some people are fine with keeping some stones unturned. Some people can deal with not knowing everything and leaving them as they are, like Flowey recommends.
>>342455436
That's fine, I got mine. Like I said >>342454591 everyone has a different definition of "getting one's money's worth."that being said i don't know how you could deal with the final scenes of soulless pacifist
>>342455593
I have not met a single person who chose, deliberately, not to learn anything about the Genocide route. Hell, I haven't seen a reference to anybody who has done that. No YouTube comment, no 4chan post, nothing. There's a reason videos with the Sans fight in it get millions of views. People play through the first 2 paths and just watch videos of the third. Everyone gets curious about shit like that. When you're given choices in a videogame that determine the outcome of the story, you always get curious. That's why you... you know, play them.
Like, when I hear about a guy who never played Undertale and just watched some asshole play it on YouTube, it bothers me, because you missed out. You missed out on a good game with a great story, interesting gameplay, and loveable characters because you preferred to have some shithead's voice over the mic and them crying because something vaguely sad happened. You didn't get to play the game or get a good feel for it, you just watched some Let's Player do it. So why would you do that with the Genocide route? It's SUPPOSED to make you feel bad. It's made to show you what had happened if you went full Hitler on these innocent creatures, for no reason, to reveal to you it wasn't for no reason, it was the culmination of years of planning by the soul of an angry little kid. It's more of the story!
>>342455061she is the best character>>342455061
>>342456491
The game tries to push this agenda of guilt when you kill the characters. While everything you said is true, and people want to know what happens, they also want to circumvent that guilt. I know it's weird, but I kinda get it.
That fact that it permanently stains your save and you gotta fuck with it after to ever get a good ending for the characters might play into it as well.
>>342455864
Honestly, I was curious after everyone was talking about how hard Sans was, and ended up getting a pretty fun boss fight.I didn't know what would happen. I still haven't deleted the game out of guilt. Maybe one day ill go back.
>>342456491
You're right about most things.
But it's not "what would happen IF you went Hitler on the monsters." It's literally "go Hitler on the monsters." And because of the way saves are treated, as well as pure guilt of conscious, it's perfectly reasonable why someone would not want to do it. Story and everything be damned, it's still a legitimate option.
I've said all I care to say. If you don't understand by now, you won't ever, and maybe you just don't want to understand.
>>342448820
So i'm a monster for not being sad about killing pixels on a screen?
>>342456719
>>342456975
Honestly, Flowey's the only character who actually tries to guilt you, and that's because he's a douchebag. Hell, he encourages you in a true Genocide route. Most of the other characters just get a death scene that plays predictably into their personality. Their "death scenes" give you input on Chara's character in a way, such as Toriel's and Sans' dialogue, as well as the songs playing in the Genocide route.
I understand the saves thing.I'll admit, I felt a tiny twinge of guilt, which is why I deleted my save file after my Genocide route. Also because I planned on replaying the game again, probably in a year or so.
>>342447238
I did Neutral, then True Pacifist, then never played the game again.
Feels good.
>actually giving a shit about killing pixels
this thread is gay and is everything wrong with this shit fandom in a nutshell
>>342457510
this t.b.h
>>342457309
>Flowey's the only character who actually tries to guilt you
Sans is the much bigger one. He'll guilt you over a single EXP.
>>342447238I got true pacifist, did genocide up to right before the final blow on sans, reset, and did true pacifist once more. I'm pretty ashamed of pussying out like that.
>>342456491
I want to know what happened to the people who did it. I don't want to do it myself. There's a difference.
>>342457510
>I am incapable of feeling emotions in regards to a fictional story
That would make a great deal of books and movies wasted on you.
>>342447238
If you think about it, the "fandom" broke it by continuing to obsess over the characters and world rather than just letting it be a quaint, good game
>>342457510
If we aren't supposed to care, then we shouldn't play games with stories in them.
>>342457750
yeah, this ruined it for me. i just cant look at the game the same way i used to
>>342447238
yeah, but also, being emotional over imaginary people shows that you need help.>>342448820
>mfw Flowey dropped the truth bomb on the bunch of faggots who didn't have the balls to do genocide but neither had the self-control to refuse watching it
honestly, the best part of the game
>>342457510
So are you an edgy sperglord or a spergy edgelord?
>>342457907
But THAT Flowey gets his face smashed in, while all of MY characters are still living happy on the surface.
I get last laugh, methinks.
>>342457729
>>342457797
>You have to actually care about fictional characters to enjoy it, if you don't you shouldn't experience it
I rest my case
>>342458134
Autism, everyone.
>>342447238
I only did Genocide and I pirated the game
>>342458019
You're a cucky leftist.
>>342458019
>doing the evil run makes you edgy
is /v/ actually filled with 13 years old now?
>>342458134
How are you expected to care what happens to them- and by extension, what happens in the story- if you don't care about them? The inability to provoke emotional attachment is considered a weakness in any story. I don't know what mindset you want us to have about fictional characters, but total apathy wouldn't make things very interesting.
>>342457862
I honestly think if this came out 10 years earlier, it would have settled into the quiet sort of cult following that Cave Story has. Fandom culture these days is just shit. People feel the need to latch onto things to have a sense of identity.
Hard mode when
So far, anon. So far.
I love Undertale. I followed up from the demo, which I found about from this site in like 2013. Doubted whether the project would ever be finished since it took a year longer than expected but still checked the kickstarter page and all the sites for updates like maybe once a month or so. Got excited and preordered the game...
And then played through it once. 9 hours total play time. Don't know if I'll ever touch it again or just watch gameplay videos. Not because I didn't enjoy the game but rather I just wanna let those fictional characters have their peace.
>>342454694
I would spare alphys, mostly because i actuality enjoy being good in videogames
>>342458423
Where exactly do you draw this fallacy that you literally need to care about a fictional people to give a shit about their story from?
>>342458134
Do you only watch movies where characters only exist to chain one action scene to another, like Michael Bay's work? Do you only read books that have pictures of fights in them? I'm trying to see how you arrive at your perspective here.
>>342447238
neutral to pacifist master race here.
>>342458810
>If you didn't hesitate to kill fictional people you didn't enjoy the story
this is what you are implying, I'm not the one making bold statements here
>>342457750
that argument could be made with strong reason. I'm just concerned about the part where I can't like Papyrus anymore without looking like just a MASSIVE faggot.
>>342447238
Jesus fucking christ the shills are real
Fuck off
>>342459210
>talking about videogames on the videogames board is shilling
you fuck off, faggot
>>342459090
Hey bruh it's cool to dig certain characters, what i'm talking about is the Tumblr shit you see all over the internet
Pretty sure Papyrus is my favorite character as well
>>342458962
It's more "if you didn't hesitate to kill these characters, you missed the point of the story and really of the game". Which could just be the story's fault: I personally had to admit pretty early on that Undertale just wasn't for me, because I honestly can't get into a story with a primarily non-humanoid cast, can't really invest as much in them as I could into a cast that was primarily humans or human-like creatures such as elves, and I prefer RPG gameplay over bullet hell gameplay so it wasn't even engaging on a moment-to-moment level. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how someone could consider themselves engaged with Undertale's specific character-driven story without actually caring about the characters.
Flowey > Mettaton > Sans = Papyrus > Goat family > Undyne > Alphys
>>342458714
How the fuck else do you do it?
What do you think caring about something means, anyway?
>>342458373
>now
>implying that's not how it has always been
>>342454694
Alphys is a litmus test for people who understand good characterization in games.
You don't. Alphys is by and far the most genuinely human character in the game with realistic social interactions and flaws. No one else even comes close.
Kinda, I actually shifted around my true pacifist save files so I could restart without fucking anything up.
>>342459493
exactly, you don't, at least not to the point these autists do, it's a good game but people blow it out of proportion, only people who let the game play them like a fiddle think it's amazing
>>342459641
by having a grip on reality
I honestly didn't feel a thing when I killed undyne and sans. I was too filled with pride after I beat them. But now I feel bad cause those two were my favorite.
Took me at least 10 tries with undyne and 15 on sans...
>>342459956
Getting emotionally invested in a story is not the same thing as having no grip on reality. Plenty of stories made me care for the characters, including Undertale.
I know it's all fake when said and done.
>>342459956
Seriously, explain yourself. What do you think it means to care about a character? I'd say it means having an emotional response based to what they do and what happens to them. If you don't have that, then how do you care what happens in a story about them? You wouldn't have any investment one way or the other, so the outcome would be irrelevant. Either you define caring differently than most people, or your mind is functioning on some kind of alien logic where it's possible to have complete emotional disconnection and still give a shit.
Are we both speaking English here?
>>342458134
Nigga, do you know what the most damning criticism an author can hear is?
"I don't care what happens to these people."
Not "it's shit." Not "you're shit." But the above.
you people have a /vg/ general, stay there
>>342460916
That's for the furries though.
>>342460757
AWAY AWAY! AWAY TO REDDIT WITH THEE!
AWAY AWAY! AWAY TO REDDIT WITH THEE!
AWAY AWAY! AWAY TO REDDIT WITH THEE!
>>342460916
Generals are for the long term discussion of a topic, not for the topic itself.
>>342461045
>i don't like what he said, he must be from reddit
>>342460287
getting emotionally invested in a story is not the same as actually giving a shit about it's characters
>>342460396
you do realize that there's an entire basic genre of fiction called tragedy right?, in which people are aware some characters will not end up being happy?, and that people still read and enjoy them?, I can care about characters and still not give a shit about killing them, because they are not real people
this is not hard to grasp at all
>>342460757
But I do care about what they do and happens to them, it doesn't means I give a shit about their fictional happiness
>>342457510
Says the guy that cried for a fictional boat.
>>342460916
this game still has a general? Until Hard mode MAYBE comes out we have NOTHING left to discuss here. this game has been mined in and out.
>>342461181
I don't think there's a single tragedy writer in the world who would prefer you not give a shit about the death of their characters.
>>342461353
Then maybe they should write better.
>>342461514
I think you have missed the point of fiction as a whole.
>>342461330
Merry was meh as fuck, it was just an object after all
>>342461353
So obviously the logical answer is to mourn them as if they were real people, wouldn't want to make poor writers feel like shit for not being able to fuck the lives of their audience
>>342461654
Okay, I'm pretty sure at this point that I haven't misunderstood and there is something legitimately wrong with you. I have to ask yet again, how does somebody have any reaction to deaths in a story if they don't care about the characters?
And don't just dodge the question again. Explain what it is that you do care about, what prompts any kind of reaction that should make the story interesting. If it's not the events that happen to the characters, then tell me what it is. When you watch a movie or read a book, what is it you care about?
>>342461914
You are basing your dumb argument entirely around an assumed persona you created of me, it's not that I didn't feel anything or react to what happened in the game, it's just that I'm not autistic enough to actually give enough of a shit as to not being able to murder pixels and get the complete story, again, not hard to grasp at all
>>342462213
Please stop dodging the question. If not the characters, what in a story should a person care about?
>>342462338
You stop derailing the point of the argument faggot, I already expressed what I mean, I don't give a fuck about arguing whatever broad definition of "caring about a characters" you have
>>342461181
But in tragedy, the point is generally that you do care about them as if they were real. You know Hamlet ends up dead at the end when you go into that story, but the point of that play is that Hamlet had good qualities brought to nothing when one of those good qualities becomes a self-destructive flaw, and so the audience is heartbroken when he ends up failing. We know he's not real when the curtain closes, but while the actors are on stage, he's real enough in our hearts.
Tragedy doesn't work when audiences can't treat the characters as real even for as long as the movie lasts: the Star Wars prequels are a tragedy, about a kid who wants to protect his loved ones falling to evil in his quest for the power to do so and ultimately failing specifically because of the lengths he went to. But they suck, because Anakin doesn't come off as a good and noble person whose attempts for greatness fail. He's so badly-acted in Episode I that it breaks that illusion of reality, and in the other two he comes off as a whiny edgelord, as well as someone who doesn't seem real because of moments like the sand monologue as well as still being kinda poorly acted.
You might be familiar with the term "kayfabe". It's a wrestling fan term, once describing the system that protected wrestling's scripted nature from being made public but now describing the willingness to pretend, inside, that the events in that ring are real. To a fan of wrestling, we know when the TV is off that it was all a show like any other, but during the moments that the face is making his big comeback against the heel, it is real to us. Kayfabe now needs to be applied by our minds, and how well our minds supply it depends on the quality of the show just like in any other medium, but it's the only way to enjoy the angles.
If you can't maintain that willing suspension of disbelief in Undertale, the problem is Undertale. If you can't maintain that willing disbelief anywhere, you might be autistic.
>>342451683
Except it has different dialogue and fights. If that's not enough of a reason then you might as well just not buy it in the first place and open up Markiplier.
>>342462565
Nigger all you've done is tell me what not to do. You haven't said which part it's reasonable to get attached to, you've just said "stop caring about characters fagut" 50 times. Answer the question, plainly and clearly. If you think you've done so already, then point out where and when, because telling me you did without further clarification won't help.
Now, for the record, I don't think that caring about characters has to be the same as seeing them like real people. You can still kill them without feeling like shit for the rest of your life, but in any good game, the idea of doing that should bother you- sometimes enough that you can't bring yourself to go through with it. The more it gets to you, the better the game's choices are.
>>342462918
Willing disbelief breaks the moment the game requires me to kill it's characters to see the complete picture
>>342463179
Even if the game was excellent I would have no moment of hesitation to kill them in order to see the genocide ending, I will always value my curiosity over the well-being of fictional characters
Anyone who dodged doing genocide because "muh feelings" is a faggot. You're not heartless if you went for it, in fact you're probably the opposite; I'm sure many people did the run not because they're edgy, but because they enjoyed the characters and wanted to see everything they had to offer. They're not people, and while the theme seems sound at the surface, that fact spoils it.
>>342447238
yep
>>342463206
So a sense of completionism really does take precedence over willing suspension of disbelief to you? You need to make an appointment with a doctor, get your mind checked. This isn't even for the meme or the insult. Either you're autistic, orthis has been an amazing fishing trip for you and you need to remember this bait for all the large-mouth bass it caught and how long we stayed on the hook.
>>342463206
>>342463517
It must be very dull to play games with moral choice systems if you just abandon your suspension of disbelief the second an option is presented to you. What do you do, anyway? Just play through the game once for each moral path, then quit, not caring one bit about what decisions you made or which paths you took? Do you feel exactly the same after an evil run as you do after a good one?
It seems like RPGs as a whole would be wasted on you. Sure, you get some fun out of the gameplay and get to know what happens, but where was the roleplaying aspect of it? You didn't make choices, not really. You covered what was there without regard for the effects until all possibilities had been closed off. You were finishing a checklist, not playing a game.
>>342463943
>>342464093
Oh this is fucking pointless, I'm talking to a group of cucks.
>>342464151
Stooping to petty insults are we?
>>342464151
Not really helping your case.
>>342464093
Have you considered that maybe you are the emotional one?
>>342447238
>Do "pacifist" run
>Then genocide run
>Then true pacifist run
>Get happiest ending
>Haven't touched the game since
The game is good for what it is. Ignore the cancerous as fuck fanbase, play the game, if you like it you like it, if you don't you don't.
Boss fight rankings, both for gameplay/fun and theme/feels.
Sans > Asgore > Undying >>> Omega Flowy > Undyne > Mettaton = Muffet > Asriel = Papyrus = Toriel > NEO
>>342464246
Whatever, cuck.
>>342464349
>>342464093
btw this is what I was refeering about, the whole fandom is full of "hollier than thou" attitude dipshits like you, you don´t get to decide the proper way to play games
>>342464151
We've gone on at length about how your opinions may be a symptom of autism or at least a seriously disturbed mind. What, in your opinion, makes us cucks?
>>342464349
Intentionally so. It's no fun to not get attached.
>>342464557
that´s like your opinion man, I prefer not to get my panties on a bunch over fictional characters, btw that other guy saying cucks isn´t me, just another retarded fanboy trying to make me look bad
>>342464093
There's nothing wrong with playing an rpg's moral path so bluntly. For most modern rpg's the choices come down to "do the good thing" or "do the bad thing," so it's not unreasonable that people would make runs out of those things. What I'm saying is that the depth of a player's morality coincides with the depth of the choices presented to them.
what was his name again?
>>342464434
Nigger there is no true pacifist run once you do genocide.
>>342464532
because you're all fucking fanboys holy fuck, go fuck yourselves, you're the reason reddit took over this shithole
>>342447238
No, but it was only for another True Pacifist run.
>>342464732
But that's how you get the best ending, anon. Genocide has the best bosses, and true pacifist has the best ending. It's the perfect way to play.=)
>>342464641
True, not all games with moral choices make it easy to care one way or the other, and sometimes they mix the gameplay in so much that you've just got to explore all the options. I'm not saying that it's bad to not care sometimes when the game is especially shallow, or that it should be impossible to push past the moral hesitance and do an evil run. I'm saying that refusing to care simply because a moral choice exists is missing the point. If you do it that way, the game might as well be linear.
>>342464704
Flame Stag
>>342447238
Not played it since the release last year.
Decided to boot up the game. Did it always play creepy music after beating it on True pacifist?
>>342466110
It does if you do a Genocide run & then another True Pacifist afterwards.
>>342464704
Bernie Sanders
>>342466110You know what you did.
