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Which Nier Automata sex doll will you choose?
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Which Nier Automata sex doll will you choose?
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sexdolls are my fetish
what is nier
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>>342411567
Is that how it's going to work?

Definitely right, even though 2B is impeccable.
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Devola
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>>342412174

Almost thought it's legit for a second.

But I bet she has no eyes in the game, and 2A having eyes is the reason why she's considered a defective prototype
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2B
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>>342412196
Good taste out of left field
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>>342411567

Leftie.

Cus vag tease
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>>342411567
...Which one has a dong?
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9S
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>>342411567
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The one with the killer hips
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Why couldn't they just have made MGR 2 instead of this weeb fanservice garbage
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>>342413489
kys my man
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>>342413489
>MGR
>not weeb
wew
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Toobie is the best and cutest robutt of 2017
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>>342413489
Maybe later. But seriously MGR2 is the only way to seriously continue Metal Gear as a series. MGSolid is dead as fuck.
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the cutest one
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>>342413809
Konami games are dead as fuck.
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>>342413489
Kill yourself
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>>342412265
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>>342411567
I see pubes.
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too good
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>>342414293
Not ingame.
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>All this hype for Automata
>Makes me want to play a Yoko Taro game
>All I have is DoD3
>Reinstall it
>10 FPS
>Awful controls
>Pissing dragon
>Uninstall it

Music is good though.
I really hope they get the rest of their shit together for this next game though.
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>>342411567
God damn, I never realized how thick 2B's thighs are
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>>342414557
The 10 fps and pissing dragons are part of the charm
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>>342411567
Why isn't she wearing any panties??
Does she want to look like a slut?
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>>342411567
The one with a penis
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>>342414775

She's wearing a leotard, I believe.
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>>342414590
they are pretty thicc
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>>342414557
its a feature
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>>342414557
Nier is Cavia's best game in terms of performance and everything else, but that's just my opinion and some people might disagree with me on that
Platinum's doing the gameplay this time around, so I'm sure the performance won't be as god awful as Drakengard 3.
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>>342414863
A nude colored one, from the looks of it?
Because that is totally the same color as her skin.
Also I think I can see something there...
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>>342415046
imo DoD1 is the best overall package but Nier is a close second

DoD3 should always be played last
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>>342414876

When will they stop showing 2B with this bitchass Shota in promos and start putting B+A together like the rightful pair they are?
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>>342415115
it's white
the game will have clothing damage, where her dress gets torn and she's running around in the leotard
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>>342415254

Then why doesnt the leotard get damaged?
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>>342415254
>the game will have clothing damage, where her dress gets torn and she's running around in the leotard

Oh my fuck, really? That's hot.
Too bad the game seems to be a PS4 exclusive, otherwise I'd buy it for that
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>>342415046
>Platinum
Who? Let me look that up.

Oh...
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>>342415396
because then she would be naked
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>>342415501
Is that a problem?
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>>342415473
Transformers was great though
>metacritic
Go back to COD
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>>342415473
I was just talking about performance. No need to bring company shitflinging into the thread
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>>342415473
Calm down. Its not shit until one of their original games gets slammed.
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>>342415501
Do you think she's anatomically correct?
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>>342415501

Go on?
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>>342415473
>Metal Gear Rising
>MGR designer is working on Automata

try again senpai
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>>342415473
>literally all games made by their C-team
>metacritic only matter for games I dislike!
Haha, you sure showed him! Everyone knows Platinum's licensed products are mediocre anyway.
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>>342415473
>of course the phone-in games they don't give a shit about should be fantastic!

if you held any desire to play any of those games at any point, then you're beyond help, anon
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>>342413489
purge the weebs I say
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>>342415473
Now post their actual good games for comparison.
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>>342411567
I'm just going to flop around throwing a tantrum because I think Caim and papanier are better.
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>>342415473
Transformers is okay given that it's pretty much Bayonetta reskinned
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>>342413489
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>>342411567
>look up 9B porn
>single mediocre black and white bj pic
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>can't have a single NieR thread without immense shitposting
It wasn't always this way
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>Create a rich open world, crafted with the closest attention to detail, and populated with a diverse set of npc's and enemy types
>Game is only 5 hours long

T-thanks, Platinum
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>>342415875
I'm still mad that the next panel doesn't go anywhere with this. Fuck this comic.
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>>342415997
every time
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>>342415473
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>>342415971
t b h id rather have Platinum shitposters than retards asking if they should just watch the games on Youtube (and wanking over Kaine's dick), which was pretty much all DoD/Nier threads before Automata
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>>342415473
>metacritic
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Real talk

Should their love be canon?
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>>342415997
>Game is only 5 hours long
are you from the future?
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She'll get a happy ending, right?
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>>342415997
>Yoko Taro
>5 hours

Ha, you wish. Get ready to grind some vegatables for 50 hours +
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>>342415997
I'm kinda mad at Platinum. When I was playing Wonderful 101, that game legitimately exhausted me. I could feel my hands cramping up, my heart rate accelerating, and my anxiety building. Not because the game is for whatever reason insanely hard, but because this is what happens when Platinum makes a LONG game. And while I love it, I feel I legitimately cannot keep up with it without taking breaks or putting it off for a while.
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>>342416121
Wow you sure showed him by digging up ten year old games.
Platinum has been shit recently no matter what you say.
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>>342415997
Before you said it was 30 fps.
Now you're just saying it will be 5 hours.
Are you gonna say it's only going to be 240i next?
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>>342416238
"Of sorts" - Y. Taro
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>>342416238
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NieR Remastered when?

I would rather pay $40 for a PS4 game then pirate it on the PS3
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>>342413489
Here's a (you), retard
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>>342416325
>rushed budget games for Activision aren't that good
WOW WHAT A SURPRISE
Even Transformers was decent, at least, and Platinum at their worst is still better than anything Cavia's done. I was also strictly talking about performance in my first post, but no, you gotta dig up shitty metacritic scores to shitpost
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>>342416325
You're shit.
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>>342416238

Its a Taro game. She will probably end up being used as a fuck doll chained up in a basement and all sorts of monsters and people taking turns to fuck her.
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>>342413489
Konami doesn't make games, and they own the IP.
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>>342416584
And a rushed budget game for Squeenix will be better because ???
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>>342411567
where are her panties?
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>>342416727
>Rushed
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>>342415997
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/T-Thanks%2C%20Platinum/
why
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>>342416601
that's kinda hot
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>>342416778

Thats the entire plot of the game. She is looking for them.
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>>342416168
hell no; 2B is 9S' domme. she can slot a robo-dick in place of her robo-pussy to pound him
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>>342416727
>And a rushed budget game for Squeenix
But it's not, you donut. There's actual effort being put into the game. It already looks better and performs better than any DoD/Nier game Cavia's done
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>>342416727
wat
At least know what you're talking about when you try to shitpost
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>>342416168
Yes. Please
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>>342416876
the last one Cavia did was Nier, and it made them go bankrupt
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Post Taro's wife's taiko Drakengard drums
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>>342416876
In fact, it looks better than FFXV, which is absolutely hilarious
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>>342416851

I don't dislike SS, but SS is only good when the woman is the older and mature type.
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>>342416727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHVKZ5K1b0
this trailer is from 2015, the game is coming out in 2017
what makes you think it's rushed? how many years should they take?
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>>342417040
It's not that hard to be better than XV at this point
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>>342413279
Is this lewd?
This feels lewd.
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>>342417043
>never got hung up on hot babysitters
sorry about your shit taste, anon; hope it gets better.
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The music so far is pretty incredible but I dont like Platinum so I might skip this.
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>>342416238
This game better be really fucking sad.
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>>342417503
>We might have to kill Beepy again

I'm sad already and the game isn't even out
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>>342417451
What kind of combat do you want then? It's better than any previous Taro game that's for sure and probably the bes one it'll ever be
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>>342411567
the only difference it's the hair everything else it's the same
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>>342417640

Never played the original Nier but I played enough Platinum games to know they all play the same. Got bored of them.
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>>342417640
If he's ever played a Taro game in his life he'd know they're all mid-tier hack n slash, Platinum was honestly the best thing to happen to the series given thats their specialty.
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>>342417017
How did Cavia scrap together a budget in the first place?
Did they get absorbed by Square after theh went bankrupt?
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>>342417043
That is exactly why I hate /ss/ though.
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>>342416168
No, 2B and 9S is the OTP. A a shit, SHIT
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>>342417802
They worked on other projects before Nier, but Nier killed them sicne they wasted so much money on the split audience strategy that ultimately gimped the games own story.

Then Cavia went bankrupt but as far as I know Taro and his main crew still stuck together for DoD3 within Access Games.
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>>342417443
Nigger, I actually had babysitters way back in the 90's, and while I didnt dislike them, they sure as well werent some overdeveloped sexually mature teenagers with D plus funbags
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>>342412265
anon you got it wrong, when we talk about defective in robots, androids or some other shit like that in sci fi, its because the inorganics things has something that make them more than a simple AI and the fucking robot do things he shouldnt be doing or go against their robotic code or some shit like that
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>>342417771
What the fuck, you're wrong.
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>>342416168
Best ending
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>>342417901

There is literally nothing wrong with yuri.
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>>342413661
>>342413487

I don't even care what this game is about. I'm sold already.
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>>342418809
I dunno I get tired of hearing him in every dub
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>>342418809
yeah i want to see two robots rubbing their vaginas together with sparks flying
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Hey everyone, I know I'm going to catch shit for this but how do all know so much about this game already?
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>>342418809
Of course not, there's only something wrong with yurifags.
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>>342418809
Yes there is, robots shouldn't do this, they could melt
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>>342419012
they did a couple video interviews during E3 and there's some older interviews too
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>>342419145
thank you
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>>342411567
9S
9S
9S
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>>342414557
Yeah I was just playing it, holy shit the framerate, I haven't played on a Sony console in a while and I can't stand it anymore, who the fuck allowed this to happen.
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>>342419108

The twist will be that they were real human beans the whole time.
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>>342415473
>doesnt know who platinum is
New or retarded, you choose.
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>>342420527
I want to fuck 9S' throat
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>>342420889
this stream is such a mess.
Since there's no official upload (from what I can tell) of this demo, the youtubes are filled with low FPS recordings.
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>>342420774
Who doesn't?
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>>342421094
Well there're official uploads by PS Underground, but they upload all their stuff in 30fps
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>>342417080
Okay then how about this: Nier looks better than Scalebound
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>>342421367
I wonder what he wears under his clothes.
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>>342417017
Nier actually made a profit. it was definitely not the killing blow for cavia. cavia had a lot of ambitions that didn't come to anything and just made them passively lose money. like Cry On
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>>342421491
I can agree with this. It looks like they don't know what they want to do with that game, it has very basic 3-4 hit combos, is quite slow, the dragon shooting sections are pretty much PS2 tier and only now does it run at almost locked 30.
Either Kamiya is a bitch to work with or Microsoft just doesn't give a fuck and just tells him to make his game without any help for hardware and tech.
Most likely both
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>>342420889
>>342421438
I really hope were not just fighting alien robots throughout the whole game and get to fight actual organics.
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>>342421815
one-piece swimsuit!
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>>342421881
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>>342421815
I wonder if he'll also get the clothe damage
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>>342421945
two-piece swimsuit!
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>>342422015
>this isn't just a random boar
>this is the shade boar reunited with its replicant
>final boss
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>>342421881
Nier was mostly shades except for some bosses and wolves and shit.
We already saw a boar, but i doubt that's a human. But then again we also saw some crazy concept art, that shows toally different enviroments. They probably just show combat against robots because they don't want to spoil too much
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>>342421845
I still don't understand how they didn't fix the animation a year later
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>>342422128
Black leather leotard!
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>>342422257
nothing at all!
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>>342422146
>human
I mean enemy, but it's most likely a human
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>>342422324
Anon that's too far.
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inb4 the robots you fight are actually human souls bound to machine

inb4 the human in outer space are the bad guys and the aliens are the good guys
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final boss is red eyes Caim, just sayin.
My dad works for Square Enix.
He lets me have sex with 2B every day.
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>>342421826
I thought Nier made a profit way later after its release, which by the time it did, Cavia have already kicked the bucket?
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>>342422815
The copy sales maybe, but it sold very well in merchandise
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Reminder of stuff not mentioned at E3:

>Emi Evans confirmed returning to sing
>an as-yet-unannounced Nier character returns to feature in the story
>the game uses Bayo's Charge Modifier system to cast AoE spells like the first game
>Puzzle-platforming elements confirmed returning, level exploration designed around climbing
>Flying an F-15 body suit, probably
>Boar drifting probably
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One of the things I liked about Nier were the journal entries. If you went in blind, you just didn't pay them any mind. And then you get the entries about all the bad shit happening.

I hope something like that happens in the next game.
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>>342422998
>level exploration designed around climbing
they showed this at E3
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>>342422580
Caim isnt and cant be Red Eyes
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>>342413487

Fucking Yoshida, goddamn.
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>>342422998
>>an as-yet-unannounced Nier character returns to feature in the story
hope its someone cool like Popola
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>>342423606
I'll be surprised if it isn't Emil.
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>>342423668
Emil's already been confirmed.
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>>342423606
Popola died like a little bitch.

ur waifu a shit
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>>342423231
They did mention it in passing, but IGN did a hands-on demo and mentioned they intentionally took the concept to task and were pleasantly surprised to find that there was more to it than just jumping, it becomes like a well-constructed vertical maze with some puzzle elements.

Which I think is nice.

Also variable difficulty confirmed.

Also, environment affects movement; if you attempt to dodge through shrubs/rubble/etc you will stumble and be vulnerable, meaning you need positional awareness even in relatively open arenas.
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>>342423668
he said unannounced and I firgured Emil is a pretty obvious comeback to anyone who played Nier 1, but yea I get you
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>>342423506
Prove it
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>>342420889
>that fucking backflip at the beginning

My heart
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>>342422998
>an as-yet-unannounced Nier character returns to feature in the story
Probably Beepy.
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>>342422978
what merchandise are you dreaming up here? there is like nothing other than cd's and the concert stuff
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>>342423862
>you killed Beepy's best friend
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>>342423718
Popola has more balls than all of Nier's party combined

Kaine is a jobber so dont even bring her up
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>>342423885

Wait, what?
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>>342423668
>>342423715
So has Beepy.
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>>342423972
Not me, nier. Im toobi
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>>342414590
>>342414876

IRELAND DETECTED
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>>342414529
How did they manage to make 2B's 3D model look so good compared to her concept art and then fuck up this bitch so bad?
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>>342422998
where are you getting this from?
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>>342423823
>If one pact partner dies both of them do
>you can only have one pact
>WCS is a brute forced pact in Nierverse
>but humans in Drakengard universe can forcibly reverse the Watcher's mind control by their own will (Inuart, and even Manah snapped out of it in some endings)
>Whoever was after Angelus "corpse" wasnt even said to have eed eyes, just an "unknown"
>And at the end of the day, Caim hates the fuck out of the Watchers
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>>342424116
Could very well be a temporary model
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Would you violate his boipussy?

Would you rather be 2B or A2 while you're violating him?
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>>342424305
What the fuck happened to the corpse anyway?
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>>342424305
Also, angelus broke off the pact in ending c. Maybe she did it again
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>>342424478
Guess it got lost somewhere down the line, my guess is Caim was sensing her out psychically and literally went through hell and high water to find her. After that its all blank
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>>342424116
2B's hair is easier

A2's hips were designed to look good for a runway-walking model, not a battle android. Her wide-footed stance makes her hips look shitty
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>>342424443
>it's a dude

I'm hyped for this game yet I know nothing.
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>>342424116
The game is still almsot a year away, so maybe they're still working on her model
Or maybe she gets an overhaul after you meet her
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>>342422998
>Boar drifting
>BOAR DRIFTING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef8G06PRfjg
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>>342424443
2b.
I'd let him do mine instead
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>>342424736
they should have made her waist more narrow like the concept art
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>>342424565
I think its more realistic that she could try to reincarnate, there's no reason for her to break off the pact in Ending E. Even then its still impossible for Caim to become Red Eyes since he's literally immune to WCS.
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>>342424762
It's not OFFICIALLY confirmed but they keep teasing screenshots with the boar and when asked they say "we want to include it"
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>>342424116
>>342424736

Aside from looking slightly, JUST slightly thick, she looks fine.

Doesnt have to be as skinny as a twig.
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>>342424762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suIPsSImst4
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>>342421094
Hint: Low FPS in videos, especially if it occurs only occasionally instead of the entire video, more often than not indicates a problem with the actual game FPS and not the video feed.
The problems you have with streams is stutter, low fps doesn't fall under that.

And if you'll notice in that webm the FPS fluctuates quite a bit during it.

tl;dr the game's performance sucks ass right now.
The PS4 seems to have a lot of trouble running games at stable framerates. Must be that godawful netbook CPU bottlenecking.
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>>342424478
According to the Grimoire, the facility Red's body was being delivered to was attacked by an unknown force, and the body was stolen.

They couldn't locate it, so the investigation was shut down.
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>>342424912
Who says red eyes was infected? That might be exactly why he stands out
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>>342424857
It was also handed down by Taro that A2 and 2B have to share the same core model, since they're supposed to be the same type of android (A2 is just an earlier model).

That's why they both have a mole in the same place, for instance.

So some of A2's design had be reworked to make her look more like 2B
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>>342425026
if you watched the streams, it's constant 60fps
the bad frame rate is not the game
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>>342425026
Nah if you watch the actual 60fps gameplay and even the YT 30fps video from PS Underground it looks totally fine
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>>342425026
>Hint: we know the game runs a stable 60FPS from the concert footage, it's not at ALL uncommon for third-party streams to drop to 30FPS to save on file size / bandwidth, which is all that's happening here
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>>342425120
all WCS infected people have red eyes

Red Eyes was just THE Red Eyes because he was a fucking giant. And IIRC its said Red Eyes in Nierverse is equivalent to Manah in Drakengard so far as having the position of a "Captain" or in Manah' case "high priestess".

Basically the Watchers just choose any random to be a suitable champion for the moment. and IIRC there were also multiple Red Eyes, since the first one eventually got killed.
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>>342424974
>Doesnt have to be as skinny as a twig.

I didn't even mention anything about that.
I don't have a problem with her weight or curves or whatever.
It's mostly the way they made that hair that makes it look like she has an egg head.
And just the overall texturing and small details like her hands.
It just looks like whoever was responsible for her model just rushed it or got lazy after making the 2B one. Or most likely both models were handled by two different dev members, who have a big gap in skill level.
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>>342425512
she look ok
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2B is by far the most visually appealing female character of the past five years at least. She's like a walking collection of fetishes, but the fetishes are all in perfect harmony, supporting each other in beauty and elegance.

Taro will probably give her a horrible personality just to fuck with us.
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>>342425492

No
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I want to put my lips on 9S's!
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The robots need their own spin off series
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>>342425974
By the sound of things she's even more "all business" than Zero
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>>342425294
It's not about them re-encoding at 30fps.
It's that the framerate fluctuates, which isn't a flaw you'd see with video encoding unless the problem was there at the source already, ie. the game.

From the footage I've seen yea the game seems to run absolutely fine in most cases, but it doesn't really surprise me if it drops in framerate in scenes like that webm where there's about a dozen enemies on screen with a lot of particles/explosions being rendered on screen at the same time. Those are the sort of areas where a weak CPU would bottleneck, and the PS4 has a joke of a CPU.

You'll notice it goes up in framerate for a second when she starts juggling that one robot in the air and less stuff has to be rendered on screen.

I'm sure it'll be fine by the time the game comes out.
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>>342411567
whatever is neir-est to me
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Any webms of this fight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3_phBQA_Y
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>>342411567
Why are people excited for this turd?
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>>342426046

Zero wasn't "all business", Zero was a raging psychopathic fireball of fury.
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>>342426172
I can make more
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>>342426128
But that exact sequence runs smooth on certain uploads
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>>342426227

Because it's the most promising game ever.
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>>342426227
What are you looking forward to?
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>>342426258

Can you make a compilation of all the different "dodge" and "flip" animations in the game?
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>>342426241
No she wasn't. Go play the japanese dub
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>>342426227
Because we have good taste in games
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I wonder if this will do better than Scalebound
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>>342426407
Even in English dub she came off as just exasperated and "hurry the fuck up already"
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When Taro says a 'happy ending' he probably means a happy ending as in "the main characters are actually idiots fucking everything up so you should be happy when they die and the world carries on in peace".
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This game store has a copy of nier on xbox for 20 dollars should i get it?
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>>342426491

When Taro says happy ending he means that Taro is happy because he trolled the players once again.
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>>342426491
That was literally Nier 1 so you might be onto something

>>342426636
go for it
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>>342426473
Most likely, i doubt that any of them will have amazing sales numbers, but Scalebound is exclusive to the Xbone for a while as far as i know and it doesn't seem to be that kind of game that will sell well on that console. I'm sure a lot of people wil buy it or even buy a Xbone for it, but probably nothing groundbreaking and it also doesn't look too great as of now especially compared to Kamiyas other games
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>>342426440
>good tastes
>Nier
uh...
>platinum
UHH
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>>342426227
Because it looks fucking great. And while I've never played a Yoko Taro game before, I keep hearing that the gameplay is the weakest link in most of his games. So having an established director/writer and a dev as good as Platinum working together on a game sounds almost too good to be true.

And the girls are cute.
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More main characters should be sex dolls.
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>>342426695
scalebound is coming to PC, so it will definitely sell more
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>>342426341
>>342426374
>>342426775
>responding to bait
hownew.ru
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>>342426802
Okay then
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>>342426824
Taro only produces showelware, how is that bait?
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>>342426791
yeah i want a game like this
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Watching the gameplay footages in slow mo is nuts, the aniamtions are leagues above all other Platinum games
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>>342426473
I honestly can't help but feel that Scalebound is going to bomb hard, I don't know why but I just can't see it doing that well. I might sound like a sonygger but I honestly don't think I'd play it even if it were multiplat.
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>>342426991
Someone say sex-bots?
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>>342427057
It just doesn't look and play like a Platinum or Kamiya game at all. It's slow, has dragon shooting sections that break the momentum, basic 3-4 hit combos that repeat over and over again
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>>342427012

Makes sense, Platinum games always sell best on Playstation. It's not surprising their magnum opus would be on PS4
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Is this the best game Taro was ever involved in?
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>>342427435
Untouchable
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>>342427057
it looks like garbage
but it will sell millions eventually when it's $2 on steam
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>>342424736
>all those dead bots
>edgy walking

Her motivation levels....
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>>342425615
I disagree.
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>>342427673
That's called anime, my man.
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>>342426227
>Why are people excited for this turd?
because its the last gud weeabo game. the others were killed off.
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>>342427845
what about Nioh
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>the enemies have no visible facial features except eyes
>the protagonists wear blindfolds
POTTERY
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I'm glad B2 doesn't say some hip shit every 5 seconds like the guy in Scalebounds.
It's cool when Vergil or Dante say their short words after combos, but not like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ZVMU_KA-M
How much fucking handholding can you give the player, God of War has more depth than this
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>>342426227
You mother was exited when she gave birth to you and nobody is complaining.
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>>342427951
shit's spooky
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>>342428053
>top left
sleep tight botter
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>>342427673

It's called having thick hair.
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Does anyone have that "guide to nier endings" pic?
I can't find it anywhere
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>>342427950
Nioh isn't out yet for it to be "killed"

In due time anon. However I hear the Soul guys are interested so I don't know.
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>>342428229
just beat it a bunch of times
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>>342411567
>Yoko Taro will never make a game with a male protagonist ever again
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