>DUDE, VIOLENCE IS WRONG BUT AT THE SAME TIME HERE'S A GAME THAT COMPLETELY GLORIFIES VIOLENCE IN EVERYWAY, LMAO
Is there a more pretentious game? I have doubts that one exists.
>>342368234
stale pasta, apply yourself
It's a liberal manifesto as well
>Jacket vomits after killing that hobo
"please don't hurt the poor and downtrodden"
>Jacket spends the entire game killing white mobsters, black mobsters and cops
"Killing whites and their house niggers is perfectly acceptable! Cops are evil!"
>>342368234
>I didn't get it
It says violence is a thing, don't be a pussy, its only art
straight over your head
>>342368234
I have seen this thread before
Sure, but isn't it right? We know killing is wrong and when we are directly confrontated with it in real life it's revolting. Yet it's completely glorified, entertaining and fun in media.
It's not really pretentious. You just hate the thought of literal children and edgy teenagers playing this game and then thinking they are #deep.
>>342368628
>its a /pol/ grasping at straws for liberal """"propoganda""''' episode
Drink bleach you paranoid faggot
>>342368628
You don't understand what you are talking about and are also evidence of how abysmally retarded someone can get.
Like how can you be so oblivious to your generalizations that are even false?
Meta narratives are inherently pretentious shit (why write fiction if you immediately destroy the illusion), that doesn't make the game bad though, you're free to ignore the plot entirely
>>342368234
Its only doing the Bioshock thing where it points out a relationship between the difference between people actual violence, and questions why violence in entertainment is so accepted. Not really ptetentious at all. I bet you think books are pretentious too.
>>342368234
>it's not glorifying itself or me when I play
>it's pretentious
this generation is doomed. Millennials need to be pampered and told they're a "good boy" just like dogs whatever they do. Or else they start whining and demanding praise for literally anything.
OP your parents were fucking idiots.
>>342368628
If you play that mission a second time, Jacket no longer vomits upon killing the hobo.
>>342368628
>white mobsters
>>342368628
go to church if you want to preach, faggot
Outdated, shitty copypastas thread?
>Game gives you a bike
>Shortly thereafter, Paula joins your party, making the bike useless
BRAVA EARTHBOUND.
BRAVA
And what the fuck was the point of the condiment system?
>Oh man, waste a slot to carry a packet of salt instead of just having another hamburger!
When I think about it, this game actually kind of does suck. For an RPG, it has no replay value to speak of
>99% linear with no side quests
>No party organization to give certain characters priority over others
>No unique equipment builds that reward smarter thinking, not harder thinking
>No way to truly test your characters skills with the lack of a new game+ feature
Would have been nice to have, but this is give or take:
>Alternate party members
>Alternate endings
>Monster/boss arena
At the end of the day, it's still a VIDEO GAME and not an "interactive experience". You don't cut Gone Home any slack(the hipsters that love Earthbound LOVE Gone Home as well), neither should you with Earthbound.
>>342370827
>>No unique equipment builds that reward smarter thinking, not harder thinking
>>No way to truly test your characters skills with the lack of a new game+ feature
that is some magic pasta you got there mister
has a game ever had as much artificial difficulty as hotline miami 2?
>>342371386
That's just a custom level though
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=677870959&searchtext=enforce
Also, getting sniped from across the level from a shotgun isn't fun
>>342368234
I generally don't think about the meanings in games like Hotline Miami or anything, but, like, I kind of thought the whole point was less "VIOLENCE IS WRONG!" and more "You'll do something just because you're told to do it."
>>342371670
It was a fun stage up until that point
>>342372149
>and more "You'll do something just because you're told to do it."
Which is fucking retarded because it's a video game with only one form of progression
i want to fuck corey
>>342368234
did it matter? just play the game faggot
>>342372351
I have to agree. I couldn't get past that point so I justragequit
>>342372451
I find that's the only way people do it, too. It's always "YOU DID THIS, YOU MONSTER!" but it never gives you an alternative. I think Spec Ops comes to mind.
I don't fucking feel like a monster when it literally gave me no other option. It's even worse when it tries to hammer it home by constantly referencing what a monster you've become, which a lot of things seem to do as well.
>>342372621I just beat it
>>342368234
Why are you still making these threads?
>>342373272
doesn't seem like it was worth it
alsotry my levels senpai
>>342372761
That's what devs who want to do that sort of thing need to learn. There's only really two ways for you to do it properly:
A: Give the player choices, so when he does something selfish or horrible, and someone calls him on it, the player understands that he COULD have taken the high road, he just didn't want to.
B: Make it imperative that the player does evil shit. You still have to offer some sort of choice (or at least some illusion of choice). Like, the character is being forced to do terrible things in order to prevent his family from being killed, and if you choose not to do it, his family is murdered and he kills himself, bad ending. The problem with this is that the game needs to make you care a lot about this fictional family over a short period of time (or save this sort of thing for the very end) in order to make you WANT to do the terrible things.
>>342368234
>>342368234
it doesn't say that violence is necessarily bad or evil, it says that violence is like a drug. That's why is set in the 80's, why the soundtrack is so trippy and catchy, why there's a lot of colorful if ever so slightly nauseating imagery. Simply put, the message is VIOLENCE = DRUG
Violence enthralls and excites us in the heat of the moment, but after we "come down" we realize how fucked up the consequences are. Regardless we are addicted, and both the player and humanity by large, soldier on and seek more violence.
Man, sometimes I hate this board.
>>342373413
What level would that be?
>>342372761
What? Have you never seen a film before? In films, you have NO control over the protagonist. You don't see people complaining about that.
You're completely missing the point and taking it too personally.
>>342373715http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=678747804 any of these, but they're far from 'enforce' good
>>342373762
Games and films literally aren't the same thing
Telltale and David Cage must have infected your cuck like brain
What a coincidence. I started playing the games this week. Finished Hotline Miami 1 yesterday.
I still have a few questions, but can I expect that everything will be solved in the second part?I'm thinking about the fact that in the prank call level, the biker guy kills jacket, but in the early level, you kill biker guy as jacket...
I'm currently at the subway level with the non-lethal guy (Evan?). His levels make really good use of your melee skills.
>>342368234
It uses gameplay to invoke a theme.
That automatically makes it better than 90% of the games that come out today (tepid 3rd person action games with a "deep story" attached).
>>342373838
I'll check em out in a couple minsalready invested too much time in a Richter x Corey fanfic stage
>>342368234
>Is there a more pretentious game?
Undertale. At least HM has good gameplay.
>>342372761
>I don't fucking feel like a monster when it literally gave me no other option
Spec Ops isn't trying to "make you feel like a monster". It's about the player character, not the player. Why do millennials feel the need to project themselves onto the main character? Not everything revolves around you.
>>342375101
CAUSE ITS A VIDEO GAME
YOU PLAY IT
You fucking moron
>>342375841
Only autists pretend that they're actually in the game
>>342375101
If it's about the character and not me, how come the loading screens call me a cunt? Can Walker read those, too?
>>342375101
This 1000x. You should be able to empathize but that's different.
>>342376375
It's referring to Walker you stupid faggot. Not everything is about you. The antagonist literally says that exact line to Walker.
>>342376589
>game literally has 4th wall quips
>i-its not about you
you idiots are making Mr. Fantastic jealous with all this stretching..
Anyway, regarding violence in videogames Drakengard already did what these games wanted to do a decade ago without making a big show of it. Similarly with Nier.
>>342375101
Because the game asks "do you feel a hero yet" obviously addressing the player rather than the character the player plays as
>>342373838
Think your De_Militia map is broken, I killed everyone and I can't do anything else.
>>342377198
>>342377301
>game occasionally talks to the player rather than directly to the character
>BAWW THIS SHIT GAME IS TRYING TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD
>>342377641
>BAWW THIS SHIT GAME IS TRYING TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD
yes it does. Glad you caught up on that
>>342377641
If you pay close attention to SpecOps its easy to see that the game is a gigantic strawman. If you've already grown out of the CoDkid phase then the game really dosent have anything to tell you
But thankfully it has other nice things like visuals and aesthetics to appreciate
>>342368234
It's a good test to see how well you can block out a game's theme if you don't want to hear it.
>>342378087
I really liked how Walker's model changed to be more rugged and fucked up the farther you got in the game.
Taking away the 4th wall stuff, Spec Ops does a pretty great job with Walker.
>>342369716
>hurr durr muh millennials
99% of the people who browse 4chan are millennials, unless you're under 20 or over 35 you're a millennial too
EVERYONE SHUT UP, the editor got released. FINALLY.
>>342378087
>>342378735
Or you can just take the game at face value. A story about a man who thinks he's good doing fucked up things in a fucked up situation.
>>342368628
That was the first innocent person he killed.
>>342370661
Church is for the ignorant, just like leftism.
>>342379467
When you try to play the meta game expect people to dig in.
But, I do think it would have been better if they focused completely on Walker, that was a good angle that was kinda lost in all the choice and meta wankery we've all seen before.
>>342378823
But half of 4chan is easily under 20. What are people calling them? The meme generation?
>>342379592
I don't have a big enough fedora for you
>>342368234
Uhhh... Hatred? You dumb shit. Go back to your basement and think of ways to call other kids edgy.
Such bull.
God this thread reminds me of the ending of the last of us.
So many people hot butthurt about not being able to make the last "Big Decision" at the end in a game where decision and choice wasn't a factor outside of game play.
The story isn't about you, its about Joel and Ellie and their journey.
The ending wouldve been terrible if it was a player choice because it would have gone against Joels entire games worth of development.
>>342379467
I agree, and the devs did a fantastic job picturing Walker abandoning the rest of his ideals in his attempt to be the big damn hero. For example, stealing the water. He had literally no plan other than "steal the water", where the fuck would they go after? Same thing with the radio tower.
There's also smaller things, like how at the start of the game the executions are very clean, mozambique drill style, whereas at the end Walker will kneecap enemies with an AA12 before blowing their heads off.
The way he commands his troops changes the deeper you get into the game too, at the beginning it's very tactical chatter but later on he just yells shit like "fuck him up" or "kill that bastard". After Lugo dies, he'll still call out for Lugo to take out targets if you try marking targets Lugo would traditionally go after earlier in the game as well.
Was Ritcher a virgin?
>>342380483
Nah he was a real human bean
>Hotline Miami is extremely popular in Russia despite the series portray the Russians as the bad guys
>>342381253
who are you quoting
also
>implying russians dont enjoy hurting other russians while shooting themselves up with crocodile
>>342381782
>who are you quoting
Hello summer friend
>>342382127
You might want to reevaluate that statement.
Quit your bitching and post good art
>>342382487
>she thinks green text is used piurely to quote
>being this new
>GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
>>342381253
>russians not hating disapora
>>342368628
aren't your hands tired from grasping at straws all day long?
How's the level editor?
>>342368628
>russians
>white
Having nearly completed the second game, I'd have to say this is one of my favorite series. The second game actually feels like an evolution of the first. They actually took a look at the game and said "What are people relying on too much? Melee? Let's force them to change it up and git gud." I really like it
>>342368234
>DUDE FICTIONAL VIOLENCE IS OKAY SHUT UP MORALFAG EAT SHIT
>>342373590
this
>>342381253
>that weird ass russian made cheap knockoff game that I honestly can't figure out if its a real gane or not.
>>342368234
>>342368628
y'all take this shit way too seriously.
I do hate the whole "meta" meme that's so prevalent in everything now though
The Last of Us
The most overrated game in the history of the planet
>>342368628
Burn was an innocent person, the mobsters are fucking drug dealers
Then again this is pasta so what's the point
>>342373762
terrible post and I hope you feel bad about it
>>342382746
>doesnt know who are you quoting is a way of asking the source of that claim
>>342383484
Bloodbath Kavkaz?
>>342383352
>you will never be as wonderfully ambidextrous as jacket
>>342384052
Yeah. Whats the deal with that game?
>>342380690
>real human beanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXqHUopCJU
>>342373590
damn it all makes sense now
okay so what about the animal masks then what does that have to do with drugs
>>342380243
This. Hotline Miami 2 had too many open corridors, very little close quarters combat
>>342384425
If I recall correctly from the second game, themasks do two things. They hide the identity of the person so they don't have to really take responsibility for their actions. But the Hawaii Sgt. in the second game wears a skinned panther's head while saying that humans are only animals.
>>342385051
Yes the masks are used in order to distance the killer from their actions because they were reduced to their base animal instincts.
>>342373896
The biker levels are an alternate ending with what would've happened if Biker had won the fight against Jacket.
>>342380483
Not anymore ;)
>>342384425
one of the creators has a fear of humans with animal heads. So he used that. Just imagine a psycho killer with a rooster mask and a bloody bat, thats pretty scary. Also it protects the identity of the wearer. You see the people also use it to seperate themselves from the carnage they inflict. As jacket is using the masks he collects to mirror different thoughts in his head
>>342373896
>I'm currently at the subway level with the non-lethal guy
after you knocked someone unconcious on the ground you can mount them and smash their face in further. If you do this twice he takes off his jacket and you can play him lethally. The drawback is that you cannot rack up combo points anymore by disarming weapons.
>>342385721
Wrong, they both hallucinated/exaggerated their fights with each other. They're both alive in the sequel, and complete destruction of the head/body is a recurring theme among hallucinated killings of other 50B operatives (such as when jacket killed and mutilated the molotov thrower, which obviously was false/exaggerated because of the dream static).
>>342386369
>crawls into bed
>>342368628
>>Jacket vomits after killing that hobo
>"please don't hurt the poor and downtrodden"
He didn't puke because he was a hobo, he puked due to just having been on a fucking rampage
>>342386664
Is the static really so specific? I never personally analyzed the game too deeply because you play as literal psychopaths/unreliable narrators, so who knows wtf is happening.
>>342383241
This guy fuckin creeped me out more than any stupid horror game.
he's like creep 80's supernatural slasher, like straight out a stephen king novel.
>>342386883
All static implies an unreliable/non-canon event, but not all unreliable/non-canon events incur static. At least that's what I took from it.
>>342380448
holy shit, I didn't notice the lugo part.
Impressive
>>342386369
what in the actual fuck
>>342387342
>>342386883
static in 2 obviously marks mental episodes. But in 1 I always took it as jacket his brain falling apart from remembering his deeds while in coma. Like with the van guy it is obvious he lost himself and ripped apart the body. Same with hitting biker in the face.
I think the fight between the two is unrelated to the static (which was more jacket his brain repressing) but more that they each recall it differently. They hurt eachother and either one of them left the other for dead and left. Jacket remembers biker as being a savage who killed everyone and immediately attacked him. Biker didnt have to kill anyone and tries to argue with jacket.
>People still believe that theory
I love how people only focus on that one question, forgetting the fact that he also ask two other questions that everyone just ignores, then just come up with an interpretation on a single line.
>>342374585
>undertale
>pretentious
The moral is literally just "genocide is bad yo" or "just bee urself:^)"
>>342368902
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>>342370661
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>>342379592
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>>342383741
Neo-/v/ everyone
>>342383109
>it's not true if I say it!!!!!
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