>start skyrim
>go to riverrun
>get a mission to go to the jarl
>try to kill him
>he's immortal
>uninstall
>play morrowind
>go to balmora
>assigned to kill some rats
>after 20 hits I finally hit one
>uninstall
>play oblivion
>comfy setting without 100% snow or jungle
>balanced gameplay
>perfect story with great characters
>oblivion has the most menacing antagonist that's a literal god
>skyrim has a dragon that dies to some ghosts
>morrowind has some ash nigger
Why is the middle game always the best one /v/?
>>342304716
every day this post
Skyrim by far has the most diverse environments
Oblivion does have the most menacing antagonist, I'll give you that. Potato faces keep it from being comfy.
>>342304716
yeah dude that big demon was fucking epic when he attacked the imperial city! but the dragon in skyrim was pretty cool too, the way he roared and shit. man they're both such interesting characters
>>342304940
>Potato faces
>He doesnt know about OCO
laughinggirls.jpeg
>>342304716
You know, I really don't think saying the series started at Morrowind is really that bad a reach.
Aside from the open world gameplay and lore, the series did change quite a bit from Daggerfall to Morrowind. So much so it's more like Morrowind spun it off into a different series.
Also Cheydinhal is the best place to live.
>>342304716
>implying Oblivion doesn't have a shit ton of essential characters
>creating a shitty character
>>342305154
Good taste anon, Cheydenhal would be the best City if it wasn't infested with filthy Dunmer. This is why I prefer Skingrad but I vacay in Cheydenhal.
>>342304716
>morrowind has some ash nigger
If he had become master of Akulakhan while wielding all of Kagrenac's tools he would have been in range of conquering all of Tamriel. Killing him is about preventing that.
>>342304716
>Riverrun
This post again
It's hard being an Oblivion fan. You always get retards shouting, "BABY'S FIRST ELDER SCROLLS GAME!"
The only other Elder Scrolls game to come close to Oblivion's perfection is Daggerfall. The problem with playing Daggerfall nowadays is that it aged like milk. Some guy is porting it over to Unity and the some builds of it are on online. It's surprisingly good.
I'll always remember that magical feeling of leaving the Imperial sewers for the first time and stepping into a land of beauty and wonder.
>>342305154
I think you meanBalmora
>>342305381
N'wah, you got a problem with Dunmer? Don't make me light myself on fire and summon the ghosts of my ancestors on you.
>>342305851
>unity
Dropped faster than you can say U
>>342305851
I don't care what Morrowind nostalgiafags say, Oblivion is the best and I'm currently playing it again.
What I had forgotten was how shit most armor and weapon mods were almost everything is lore breaking, plain bad or anime/hentai themed.
>>342304716
>Oblivion not being filled with fucktons of essential characters
>Antagonist you don't even fight
>Antagonist you do fight is some high elf fuck voiced by the same guy who does every high elf fuck and somehow is wearing the amulet of kings that can only be worn by those with the emperor's blood
At least praise the quests or something
>>342306450
>most anime mods are for the worst tes
pottery
God tier
>Dark brotherhood
>Thieves guild
>Deadric quests
>Shivering Isles
>That one where you go into the painting and use turpentine as a poison
Good tier
>Knights of the Nine
>Mages guild
>The Arena
>Main Quest
Meh tier
>Fighters guild
>The Blades
>Chasing Mai'iq the liar for ages to see if there's a secret
Why was this game so good?
>>342305851
>beauty and wonder
the graphics are irrelevant because morrowind was great due to the art style and environment design
oblivion just looks like pastel vomit or something
>>342306587
>Amulet of Kings
>Only can be worn by those with emperor's blood
Wrong. The amulet of kings can only be worn by those with the blood of dragons, also known as Dragonborns or Dovahkin.
Already before Skyrim it was theorized that the blood of dragons wasn't reserved for the Imperial royal line because of Mankars ability to wear the amulet, and in the commentaries he clearly states he could speak fire after his tounge had awakened or something along those lines.
>>342306846
What artstyle? Morrowind was pure brown and brown with an utter failure at a realistic artstyle.
Are there any actual good mods/graphical mods for Oblivion? That's really the only thing stopping me from playing the game long enough to finish it
>>342306587
Quests in Oblivion are pretty overrated desu. I recently replayed it and the only quests that weren't more dissapointing than I remembered were Vaermina's Quest, that dream quest in Bravil and a handful of Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood quests.
>>342306846
If 50 shades of brown and characters that look like they were constructed with beef jerky constitutes a great artstyle" then I fucking hate video games.
I remember I was always tertified of the trolls in oblivion and would shit bricks if I saw one aimlessly running around far ahead of me or god forbid running up behind me.
>>342307351
The various leveling mods, the various level-scaling removal mobs, integrating the cities inside the world, better AI mods, tons of graphics mods of all kinds, weather mods, etc.
ARE YOU THE HERO OF KAVACH?
>This bait again.
Nice start to a thread though.
I've never done the fighters guild in Oblivion, should I give it a try since I'm replaying it for the 5th time?
>>342304716
>four is the middle of five
you'd be right though since the actual middle game is the best
What's the best way to get into the Elder Scrolls lore?
>>342304716
>middle game
>middle game
>middle game
>middle game
>middle game
>ELDER SCROLLS 4
>middle game
>>342307574
its pretty good, better than the mages guild even if it starts off generic
>>342307351
demwaifus.blogspot.ca/search/label/Oblivion
I like morrowind best because as a magefag it allows me the most spell freedom.
>>342304940
>Skyrim
>most diverse environments
Kek. I guess Morrowind didn't have entire regions and architectural styles completely different from each other, ranging from giant glowing purple mushroom towers to standard medieval style to a city based inside of a giant crab shell.
>>342307574
It's pretty good, but more importantly, it gives you missions, drops and money regularly which is fun from an RP point of view. I seem to recall you can control the guild activities to change the kind of resources you get, and I assume it changes the guildmembers' legitimate schedules.
>>342307116
Anyone can technically do Thu'ums but I'll take that as evidence enough. Honestly it seemed more an error more than anything since Oblivion characters will equip anything if placed in their inventory and they never make mention of it otherwise.
>>342307447
Everything in Oblivion made me shit bricks, especially the zoom in on the hideous faces. Here I am enjoying some comfy walk through the forest when some horrifying monster from uncanny valley grabs my attention from behind. First thing I'm modding out if I'm going ot replay it.
>>342307351
Essentials
>Unique Landscapes
>Natural Environments
>DarnUI
>Oblivion Character Overhaul
>OBSE (to be able to use more complex mods)
Added flavor
>Basic Primary Needs (hunger/thirst/sleep)
>Living Economy
>Unnecessary Violence
I don't run a heavily modded Oblivion so these are the ones I mostly have used at some point. But if you dislike the leveling and monster variety you might want to look into Marty's Monster Mod, Oscuros Oblivion Overhaul and Fransescos something something (forgot the name senpai sorry). Ive never used these mods but some people can't play without them. They are also incompatible with each other and a bunch of other mods so you might want to look into Wrye Bash if you intend to use them.
>>342307845
Skyrim's environment was diverse though. Sure it was all northern themed but it had tundra, mountains, coniferous and deciduous forest, icy coastline, glaciers, canyons, etc. It just didn't have a lot of colour in the palette.
Morrowind was a lot of brown hills with some mushrooms here and there.
>>342306776
Because the writing was stellar. I think the same writer from morrowind wrote for oblivion?
I wouldn't go as far as to call morrowind and oblivion equals, but oblivion does get far more hate than it deserves. Despite casualized gameplay, the writing is still stellar. Skyrim was the true negative point in tes history because the writing was second-rate.
>>342307723
>not realizing it's bait
>>342307709
Try reading some of the books on the elder scrolls wiki. The 36 lessons of Vivec is a long fucking read but it's pretty interesting.
Also, let's just get this image out of the way even though Morrowind is the best in the series.Daggerfall fags can go back to >>>/vr/
>>342307983
My main problem with Skyrim was that they tried to keep the lore too much in-between the lines. Morrowind and Oblivion had lots more lore in the main quests, Morrowind of course having a lot more than Oblivion.
I fully expect TESVI to be as generic as possible a world with no mention of the cool ass lore the TES world has at all, not even in books (if there even are books in the next TES)
>>342304716
>Why is the middle game always the best one /v/?
>Game in the middle of the list is Morrowind
I knew you had good taste, anon.
oblivion is trash
>>342304716
morrowind is trash.
Skyrim is superior,damn,I wish I could play Skyrim for the first time again.
Best vidya days of my life
>>342308212
Not really.
Each coast looked different, the ashlands looked horribly different compared to the mainland, and each region looked particularly different or had different weather and enemies. Not to mention Solstheim and places like Gnisis and Ald Run. There's even some smaller floating cities on islands surrounded by water through the eastern and southern regions.
I love Oblivion I'll never understand /v/'s obsession with hating on it.
>>342309287
But a lot of anons here do like it.
It's just a very vocal minority of shitposters that praise one game over the other, or shit on the series entirely.
>shit quests
>shit dungeons
>shit loot
>boring world
>boring NPCs
>bad writing
I'll never understand why Skyrim got so much praise. I tried to like it, but it's just so bad. I put over 1000 hours into both MW and OB and I still love those games and still love to play them, I can't get past 60 hours in Skyrim. It's so fucking bad.
>>342308837
All of the games had shit dungeons. 90% of Morrowind's non-quest dungeons were tiny and even more copypasted than in Skyrim and Oblivion.
>>342309734
normies
>>342309287
Vanilla Oblivion is complete shit though
>>342304716
I remember being in a total stupor when I first took that portal to mankar camorans plan, I was so awe struck, so excited.
I never felt this feeling ever again, oblivion really was a great game, maybe its cause ive experienced so much that everything just feels so shit now cause you fucks jaded me out with your negativity
>>342305381
>Skingrad
>not Chorrol
>not Bruma
>>342308837
the majority of morrowind dungeons were single rooms
Oblivion had pretty good dungeons overall but they looked generic inside due to limited set pieces
skyrim had nice looking dongeons and also a lot more verticle space within dungeons rather than tight corridors all the time, which was a nice change.
like shreikwind basin for one with the internal tower bit.
>>342305091
> Muh animu
>>342310796
Some of the dungeons in Skyrim were ok but the vast majority were long linear dungeons and I hated it. I would honestly prefer single room dungeons because they feel a lot less railroad-y and aren't tedious wastes of time.
>>342309287
it's simple anon
the world is uninteresting and generic as fuck compared to morrowind
if you didn't play morrowind you'd think it a fine game though
>>342309696
This. If you were to believe /v/ the only good game Bethesda has made is Morrowind when the truth is that they have only made a bad game(and it's not thaaaat bad) which is Fallout 4.
>>342310580
Skingrad has the best countryside though, some of the most lovely areas in the game are the ones surrounding it.
Oblivion isn't the best graphic and mechanic wise but he's I still have the best and fond memories of a classical medieval rpg from it
>>342310994
> The final loot is just generic and random pieces with useless enchant since you can make better stuff
>>342310902
What does OCO have to do with anime? It changes the faces of characters and NPCs to look like Skyrim's. Literally nothing to do with anime.
>>342305851
i really wish i could experience it again for the first time. i've probably put 500+ hours into it and it's still magical
>>342311285
Being able to make destruction spells free to cast was totally fair by the way.
>>342311285
>you're pretty much obligated to go smithing/enchanting just to keep up with the level scaling because you're never going to find anything worthwhile to loot
>>342311401
You can anon, just reinstall that bitch and get lost in Cyrodiil again. I did it after not playing for 5+ years and God I have found love again.
>>342304940
Skyrim faces are just as bad. Everyone looks like a meth addict.
>Start Morrowind
>Uninstall Morrowind
>Start Oblivion
>Uninstall Oblivion
>Start Skyrim
>Uninstall Skyrim
>Start Witcher 3
>Play Witcher 3
>>342311651
t.witcherdev
>>342311314
I think the women look a little too kawaii as well. People complain about Skyrim women but it makes more sense for them to look rugged.
I hate how in Elder Scrolls spells you have to go full autist about the skills you level up or else you'll gimp your attribute point gains.
>>342311572
I thought they looked fine but the animations were way off. Somehow the talking animations in Fallout 3/NV were way more convincing.
>>342311196
Skingrad is the LA of Cyrodill
>>342311912
I don't think character models even had facial expressions in Skyrim.
>>342311953
Elaborate please
>>342304716
>I'm bad at Morrowind so I uninstalled!
Don't worry phamalam I gotchoo covered. Deepest strats INCOMING.
>>342311314
OCO is fine, OCO 2 is cancer
>start Morrowind
>get extremely bored with Balmora's mostly identical houses and Seyda Neen's FUCKING NOTHING
>go to Vivec because I vaguely remember there being interesting quests there
>mfw actually trying to navigate Vivec
>try to kill him
why?
>>342311701
Well they just look not potato IMO, but to be fair yes, now there's an inordinate amount of attractive women in the game. I never saw it as a weebshit thing I just thought the author preferred better looking women and I'll take anything thats an upgrade over the original shitty models.
>>342305851
>land of beauty and wonder
it's almost 100% grassy hills and the same tree 100,000 times. It's the most generic landscape in any fantasy game that's ever existed.
>>342312135
Can you throw up a comparison screen and talk about why? Those look fine to me but I'm referencing them to the vanilla potatoes in my head.
>>342312135
Every human race looks like a bloody elf.
if daggerfall and arena were to be remade today they would be garbage
i wish todd would think of the people that first bought his games instead of money money and more money
>>342304940
God damn, I hate you because you are an ignorant bitch.
>>342304940
Skyrim does have nice looking environments. Too bad there's fucking nothing to do in them.
>>342312675
>Arena's size
>Daggerfall's versatility
>Oblivion's writing
>Skyrim's graphics
>Morrowind's quests
I'd literally buy 10 copies of this, Todd
>>342312135
Which one is the imperial and which one is the breton? I've literally never been able to tell the difference between the two in any of the games.
>>342313098
Which one's gameplay? I would personally be fine with skyrim's if magic wasn't shit on.
>>342304716
oblivion isn't the middle game. morrowind is considering there's five tes games out atm
>lrn2count
>>342313349
racist, I bet you think all high elves are mages, and all orcs are warriors too.
>>342312523
OCO just make less ugly the vanilla faces, OCO2 makes the orcs into niggers
>>342313387
oblivion obviously
>>342313387
You mean combat? Not him but I would like to see a return to Morrowind's system. No wait, hear me out. I think the big problem with Morrowind was the animations were shit, so it just didn't feel right. It made sense that you could miss, or get parried, or be too tired to swing properly. I would like to see a return of the diceroll combat that integrates all these factors, only with better animations and controls to make it feel better.
I just don't like damage sponges.
>>342307764
Mods from webm? That was beautiful
>>342313387
Skyrim with the addition of better gore and the Perkus Maximus overhaul. Playing this now and it's the first time I've ever had fun in Skyrim, it feels amazing to fully nock an arrow in a longbow, let loose and watch a guy get fucking launched. Vanilla Skyrim has bigger problems than just the magic, like the fact that every weapon just goes right through everything without any impact, corpses just drop like a bag of bricks, every encounter is either stealth archery or standing still and whacking each other until someone dies, and all the sound effects are awful. Vanilla Skyrim's weapons feel more like toys than actually instruments of war.
I really think the music plays a good part in holding the world together. It turns everything into magic.
Jeremy Soule hit the nail on the goddamn head with this one, and it shows.
>>342313781
I've yet to play more of Oblivion but I hope it's more than just the same three songs repeated over and over like it was for Morrowind and Skyrim.
>>342313494
Everytime I come to mod the game, I just can'T do it. The potato faces have grown on me and it's just part of the charm at this point. These faces look better sure but they don't have the same life to them.
I don't know, maybe I just need to see them in action but they look retardedly handsome. Give me some ugly fucks and abominations, this isn't a Vogue fashion show.
>>342314119
There aren't that many, but the quality is consistantly excellent. In morrowind you'll remember one or two songs. Skyrim I don't even remember one.
Oblivion I remember quite a few and they instantly transport me into the homes and caves of Cyrodiil.
>>342313481
No seriously, they have NO distinguishing differences at ALL! At least Nords have their height and Redguards have a whole different facial structure, in addition to being black and all. But Imperials vs Bretons? Can't tell them apart, no matter how hard I try. And this is coming from a guy who plays a Breton for my main in all of the games!except for that one ill fated first attempt at Morrowind as a Bosmer, but that one doesn't count
>>342309287
It's shit coming from Morrowind and was even more of a flawed product on launch than that game was. It tries to play everything incredibly safe, which, again, sucks absolute dick coming from Morrowind. That you can mod away some of its problems doesn't make it any weaker an entry overall.
>>342314338
>Play Argonian on morrowind
>can't wear shoes
>I've made a horrible mistake
>>342306776
>God tier
>>Dark brotherhood
>>Thieves guild
>>Deadric quests
Pretty much the same for Skyrim too.
>>342304940
>most menacing antagonist
It's like you never played Oblivion or Morrowind.
>>342314338
You saying imperials and bretons look the same, man your such a racist!
[spoilers]Aren't bretons a lighter skin and shorter?
>>342313686
This. The only real problem with MW's combat was its presentation. I'd add additional accuracy and armor mitigation modifiers based on distance and attack type, though. Make weapon specialization more meaningful and actually give people a reason to use different swing types.
>>342304716
This pasta agian? We get it oblivion was nice now make up so etching original that Reddit can steal
>>342314489
The worst part about Skyrim's Thieve's Guild, and a lot of guilds in general, is that the quests always have fucking nothing to do with what the guild is. I remember a lot of the Mage/Thieves guild quests in Skyrim taking place in fucking Draugr ruins, and those same ruins eat up like half of the Companions questline. The final quest of the Thieves Guild line is literally just a big Dwarven ruin, and that's so sad. I just want a series of unique, fun stealth quests that I can actually fail where I'm required to steal artifacts and baubles. Oblivion was a bit guilty of this too, but at least most of the important quests involved doing some FUCKING STEALING. The College of Winterhold is the worst one though obviously, since you don't even need to cast a single spell to become fucking Archmage.
>played skyrim on my laptop on min settings when it came out
>new pc makes oblivion look better than skyrim did most of the time
feels good
>>342304716
OBLIVION
MIDDLE GAME
ELDER SCROLLS IV
IV
>IV
IV
>IV
IV
>IV
Who /arena/ and /daggerfall/ here?
Get fucked you underage b&
>>342314489
Skyrim really only had a handful of Daedric and DB quests going for it. The TG was fucking retarded and you never actually stole anything after Goldenglow. The crime syndicate story was muddled as hell, too, and the actual missions involved outright combat more often than not.
>>342315072
The dungeons still look really good.
>>342315138
Anon Oblivion was 10 years ago, somebody who was 8 when they first played it can post here now. Sorry grandpa.
>>342315072
Oblivion looks pretty solid even without mods
(I think this is without mods enabled but I'm not sure after years of fiddling)
>>342315061
>since you don't even need to cast a single spell to become fucking Archmage.
This bothers me to no end. Remember in MW when you actually HAD to have certain skill level to advance the next rank?
>>342304716
Its the one I have the most nostalgia for. I adore how the cities and building interiors look. The music is fucking top notch, and the quests are generally pretty entertaining or interesting. Crafting magic was really enjoyable and something I miss greatly.
Didn't like the Oblivion gates all being the same, caves and dungeons as well.
I honestly consider reinstalling it every few months, but I am afraid I'll ruin what good memories I have.
>>342315312
>Never actually stole anything
Theres about a hundred quests where you literally just clean out houses and safes from shops.
>>342315061
>that draugr dungeon quest with the leader of the thieves guild
>expect him to be a master thief
>"don't go getting me killed"
>immediately runs down the corridor screaming while triggering every single trap which wakes up multiple Draugr Deathlords
>tries to take them on with a dagger and goes down in a few seconds leaving me with cleaning up the mess
>>342315061
>Final winterhold quest has a dungeon that drains your magicka
>Its incredibly easy with any build but a mage
>genius
>>342315638
> Generic radiant crap
>>342315648
>penultimate mission of the questline
>you're working with two of the greatest thieves in Skyrim to hunt down the actual greatest thief in Skyrim
>the entire fight is just them wailing on each other like mongoloids in a lunchline
>>342304940
Mehrunes has more goddamn lines in Skyrim than Oblivion. He was really shit. Dagoth ur had a lot of presence, at least
>>342315638
Who gives a shit about the boring-ass radiant quests? You can clear those places out regardless of whether or not you're a thief or a member of the guild. The actual, mainline Thieves' Guild shenanigans don't involve any theft at all once you raid the Goldenglow safe.
>>342315638
Meanwhile in oblivion you had to do that to unlock the actual thieves guild quests where get this. You steal more important shit with special rulesets.
>>342315638
>radiant quests
Fuck that
TG was fucked. The Goldenglow, Warehouse and Museum quests should have involved city guards so you were strongly motivated to actually use stealth.
>end thieves guild quest involves giving up the skeleton key AND selling your soul to a daedric lord
lmao
no thanks
also shadow stone best stone
i an't going to 75 illusion just to unlock invisibility spells
>>342315921
mehrunes was not really the villain, it was generic cultist number. 345
>>342314435
>shit coming from Morrowind
The only objectively good part of Morrowind was the lore. Oblivion being mediocre in gameplay, level design, and pacing is just par for the course for Bethsoft.
>>342316018
>Has dialogue option where I say i don't give a shit about nocturnal and want the key and eyes for myself
>Game forces me to give the key away anyway
>>342315551
>>342315648
>>342315696
Every Bethesda game after Morrowind has suffered from the fact that they don't give a flying fuck about anything beyond the first playthrough. They want you to play through the game, do every single questline on one character, and that's it. There's no issue if you want to be the leader of both the Fighter's and Mages' guild, nobody will even bat an eyelash at it. There's no way they'd force you to be good at fighting to progress in the Fighter's Guild, or proficient at spellcasting to progress in the Mages' guild, that'd require you to actually do some fucking ROLEPLAYING, or make multiple characters or something. Just do your ultimate jack-of-all-trades character, complete every Daedric Quest and Guild with no issues, then craft some nifty mods that'll generate interest in people who haven't bought it yet while you wait for DLC.
>>342316061
Shut your mouth. Morrowind had phenomenal roleplaying mechanics and excellent world design. The combat was mechanically sound and only suffered in regards to transparency and presentation.
Does oblivion has something like frostfall and hunterborn?
I like to play innawoods and Skyrim is great for that but everytime I go in a town to sell some skinn and meat, I think "oblivion did citys way better".
>>342315865
>thieves guild
>have to sell your soul to nocturnal to beat mercer for REASONS
>dont even get your shitty ass nightingale powers until after hes dead
fuck that questline so much
>>342316146
>ebony warrior only spawns at like lv80
who the fuck plays a save past lv40?
where's the fun in maxing all stats?
>>342316246
I have a generic needs mod but I've seen nothing similar to what there is for Skyrim
>>342316246
I don't know about Oblivion, but I know you can get this http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74638/? to compensate for Skyrim's terrible cities.
>>342316287
>THIEVES guild gets you 2 of the best swords in the game
>WARRIOR guild gets a shield and a garbage 2hander
>>342316208
>phenomenal roleplaying mechanics
What do you mean?
>excellent world design
Subjective. The world had far too many canyons and too little differentiation in the color palette, in my opinion.
>combat was mechanically sound
I guess if you're willing to tolerate largely useless "attack styles", arbitrary stuns and blocks, and comically inconsistent damage.
>>342316125
Why would they even tease you with that crap.
>b-b-but you could just not turn in the quest
Fuck you
>>342316015
The funny thing about this is that I genuinely thought you would fail if you got detected during the Goldenglow quest so I was trying to do the whole thing entirely without being seen. At some point I got detected,and then realized none of that time I waste sneaking around made any difference.
>Start oblivion
>level up
>suddenly getting raped by everything
>enemies with 500% more health then they should have and only take damage from magic which I didn't level
>Drops a shirt with +speech skill on it
>uninstall
>>342304716
You made this same thread like weeks ago.
What the fuck
>>342304716
>Deadric prince
>Literally a god
Nope.
>separating pickpocket and sneak
why
just gonna spread me too thin, i already need lockpick too
fucking warriors only need like heavy armor, smithing and 2hand weapons
>>342316287
And get some shitty armor that's worse than the DB recruit armor.
>>342309287
the weird thing is people didn't hate oblivion when it came out. It was praised as a great game.
It was a great game. Then later people decided everyone hates it.
Very strange behavior.
>>342315490
Vanilla Oblivion actually holds up decently, except for the character models really. With mods you can make things super comfy.
I like Morrowind and Skyrim fine, but Oblivion has always had the coziest atmosphere.
>>342316413
>>342316287
I'm still mad about the guild questlines in Skyrim, Oblivion at the very least had lengthy questlines that had a lot to do, and a storyline that wasn't completely pants on head retarded.
Instead we got what a grand total of like 5 quests per guild, and all of the rewards at the end were vastly outpaced by anything found on the ground.
>>342316791
I reinstalled and beat morrowind recently with the intention of doing a tour of the three last games.
When I got to installing all the oblivion mods I lost interest.
Oblivion and Skyrim. They have too much of a good thing.
>>342313686
How is a damage sponge that you can't miss any different from an enemy with 'normal' HP that you miss 50% of the time?
>>342316791
yup, the only mod i installed was a character overhaul so the characters didn't look like they were out of the shrek movies
>>342316479
>skeleton key can unlock someones full potential apparently
>Can't use it on myself
>>342316479
>The funny thing about this is that I genuinely thought you would fail if you got detected during the Goldenglow quest so I was trying to do the whole thing entirely without being seen. At some point I got detected,and then realized none of that time I waste sneaking around made any difference.
Same for me. It really killed the Thieves Guild for me when I realized I didn't actually have to stealth and could just slaughter everyone like in the rest of the game.
>>342316375
Thanks man this looks pretty great.
>>342316479
>Skeleton key is apparently needed to be kept by nocturnal
>Was given away to some bumblefuck adventurer in oblivion
>>342316727
Lockpicking and Pickpocket are bad trees too. I normally don't like streamlining but they should have been merged as Larceny or something. Nothing like wasting all your perks on garbage like "Make Novice level picks easier" while having to deal with Elder Dragons because of your level.
>>342317070
Skyrim summed up. Killing people and draugrs.
>>342316730
Like all Bethesda games when you first start playing them you are thrilled to be in a new setting and world with a ton of new toys to play around with, then after a couple dozen hours the cracks form into valleys and all the flaws mount and mount until any enjoyment you had dwindles down to nothing.
Fallout 4 was the quickest I dropped a bethesda title at 30 hours or some shit, after hundreds in any other game. They cut corners, half ass everything, make ridiculous decisions in terms of game design that a 3rd grader could do better, and can't hire a compotent writer to save their lives.
>>342304716
>riverrun
>Join vampires in skyrim
>Have to betray harkon because my vampire waifu pussy
>Can't even marry serana so that was pointless
>Do the same thing I tried to stop harkon from doing and block out the sun
The vampire questline in dawnguard was such shit
>>342316962
Because then it's based on more than just your dps. Things like stamina, attributes (if they ever come back), enemy skill level all become important. Also immersion.
>>342317156
accidentally grinded pickpocket to like lv 70 as soon as i got to a major city because stealing rings and gems gets you tons of exp
was like lv15 with ZERO combat skills leveled
it was a bad time
>>342315061
You do need to cast a spell to get into the college, as well as pass the ward lecture and get through the spiderwebs in some cave.
>>342317236
Thats really what stuck out about FO4 to me. They took all these risks and changed the decent formula.. and they gave it poor writing.
It could have worked if the writing was as good as FO1
>>342305851
Dude right? At the time it looked beautiful.
That scene in shivering islesa where the room disappears into butterflies and just SI in general amazed me. Fuck you now I have to spend three hours installing mods and playing again.
>>342317478
They give you the spells for basically free at all those times just incase you have no basic spells
>>342312091
just out of curiosity what starsign did you use to make this webm? if you are the maker that is.
>>342317478
you're not wrong but they were beginner spells. Morrowind and Oblivion had checks.
>>342305851
>wonder
What wonder? Cyrodill was retconned into the most generic marshy Euro Fantasy setting ever.
>>342317349
>flying around as a vamp lord
>brother asks how i'm doing that
>totally forgot it was a mod and vamp lords can't fly in the vanilla game, only hover 1ft above the ground
>>342317478
>Can pass the opening test with a shout instead
>Ward gets taught to you on the spot if you're literally retarded and don't have it
>Spiderwebs can be destroyed using the flame spell that almost everyone starts the game with
Okay fair enough, you have to cast maybe three spells, all of which are available from the start of the game.
>>342317654
>You can become a vampire lord even if you go dawnguard
>Theres literally no reason to go vampire as you get all the cool shit on the dawnguard side.
>>342313686
That's why ES6 is taking so long. They wanna implement two different systems. One for more traditional RPG players to min/max stats like Morrowind, another one like Skyrim for casuals. You just change settings and on you go.
It takes a lot of work to animate dice rolls for, "swing weapon, target dodges".
>>342317236
>beat f4
>immediately start a new run
>90% of quests i skip because they really aren't worth doing a second time
>can't do factions without progressing main quest
>ALL factions share the same second half because it's just the main quest and not faction at all
zero replayability
>>342316443
>What do you mean?
Interaction between character attributes and the world itself. You needed to have certain qualities and skills to advance through guilds, succeed in combat, and deal with people. Character progression felt rewarding and manifested itself in a variety of ways. The slew of guilds and their exclusivity along with the overall open-ended nature of a variety of quests allowed for plenty of emergent roleplaying opportunities. Consider Larius Varro's Little Secret. You can provoke the Camonna Tong, pay off the Bartender so he won't report the crime, kill them all and use your connections with the Thieves' Guild to erase the bounty, or just cause a huge mess and have Varro scold you.
>Subjective. The world had far too many canyons and too little differentiation in the color palette, in my opinion.
I disagree. Morrowind had a far more logical layout with more varied settlement size and location. The same applies to dungeons. The use of the journal and directions over a way point warranted considerably more care and thought devoted to landmarks and the like. In concert with roleplaying, you can use a variety of tools to scale walls and vault canyons.
> arbitrary stuns and blocks, and comically inconsistent damage.
Stagger and blocking isn't arbitrary in the slightest and depends on the stats of those involved. Larger weapons are more likely to stagger and cause knockdown, and block has its own algorithm for triggering. The damage isn't inconsistent at all and depends on how long you charge your attack.
>>342317349
Dawnguard as a whole was lame, but at least you get this slick number out of it. Best armor in any Elder Scrolls game hands down, maybe tied with Knights of the Nine.
>>342317484
I actually just played Shivering Isles for the first time a little bit ago, and the butterfly scene was still stunning.
And that scene when I first exited the Imperial Sewers and saw the game world stretched out before me (and got the "do whatever you want now, good luck") is still possibly my favorite moment in gaming.
>>342317119
> Dude we need to sell our souls to Nocturnal to be able to beat Mercer lmao
> He gets beaten by a few draugr
TG questline was retarded
>>342317236
I managed to get a lot of hours out of Skyrim. But yeah I dropped Fallout 4 pretty fast. Never even finished any of the major questlines. I don't have much hope for TESVI.
>>342317829
>Minuteman path is literally 3 quests long besides the radiant shit
>>342307574
They look like goblins to you?
>>342317868
Oh shit I don't remember if you could get an unenchanted set of that. Might use that with my mage if I can get free destruction.
>>342304716
Oblivion is the awkward middle brother of the series that doesn't know what it's doing with itself... and I love it.
>>342317776
>can become VL even as dawn guard
Wat
Source?
>>342317809
>Oblivion was more casual than Morrowind
>Sold better
>Fallout 3 was more casual than Oblivion
>Sold better
>Skyrim was more casual than Fallout 3
>Sold better
>Fallout 4 was the most casual out of them all and the most casualized RPG in existence
>Sells better than anything they've ever made
Yeah no, they're not doing shit to cater to oldschool RPG fans. If they couldn't be assed to make the voiced protagonist of Fallout 4 optional there's no way they're going to design two seperate combat systems purely to appeal to a minority, most of whom probably don't even bother with their games anymore.
>>342317776
>not getting the based Ring of the Erudite for the 100 magika and double magika regen
>>342317865
I been playing Morrowind recently and I hate the fucking canyons everywhere. I get that they're there to hide the distant land but they're still ugly and annoying.
I do really like the greater freedom and creative ways to solve quests, along with actually exclusive factions and consequences to your allegiance. The trend Bethesda took towards letting you do everything on one character is super lame.
>>342317829
Fucking seriously, after I finished 4 twice I've been playing Skyrim and having loads more fun jerking off pretending to be other characters than "You are pre-war Dad SAVE SON SHAUN!"
>>342317957
>completely ignore Minutemen second play-through
>Abernaty Farm gets attacked a total of 3 times during the entire time I played
Cancer at a minute's notice
>>342318158
>If they couldn't be assed to make the voiced protagonist of Fallout 4 optional
wouldn't matter
the damage a voiced protag does to dialogue tree complexity and general amount of dialogue can't be turned on/ off
>>342317950
FO4 killed any excitement I had for TESVI. I just know its going to be yet another game on the same fucking engine, even more streamlined and they are going to miss the entire point of the series and force a storyline that dictates you are a pre-established character and nothing else with questlines that go 3 deep and then raident everything cause its easier to implement that then actually put forth work.
Bethesda is a joke now, they used to be trendsetters now they coast harder than any other studio out there because they have a stranglehold on the market and people will buy it anyway.
There is no justice in the world.
>>342317892
>Play character who is hugely anti deadra
>Refuse any artifact I can
>Say that I won't spread light bitches religion
>Steal azura's star for myself by making it black
>Refuse the shitty rasor
>Don't kill sinding
>"I don't want to sell my soul"
>But thou must
>don't even get actual benefits from it
>Literally its a bunch of shittier versions of spells.
goddammit this thread
>>342318158
They sure as shit are. You just wait.
>>342318151
You can ask serana to turn you into one. Hell you can do it in order to not have to give a piece of your soul in the soul cairn.
>>342318339
You've never seen the dialogue mods for F4, have you?
>mute voices
>input text responding however you like for each response category
>>342317809
We can dream but it's not going to happen. I'm just wondering what's getting the axe next.
>>342318379
don't dl now
you'll be burnt out by the time remastered comes out
>>342318471
And the best (worst) part is, it won't prevent you from getting any sick Dawnguard loot!
>>342318213
>Rings being necessary as a vampire lord
Unless you were playing on master or legendary you are already OP enough as is. Meanwhile werewolf bros like me are still shit even with a perk tree and rings.
>>342318554
>implying I'm going to buy the remaster
>>342318340
I wouldn't mind Radiant quests nearly as much if it weren't so obvious Bethesda was using them as a crutch.
And the quests they actually do bother to write out are getting shittier, too. There's so many MMO-tier "grab me X amount of monster drops" quests in Skyrim, it pisses me off how lazy they've gotten.
>>342318564
Yes, so as I said there is literally no reason to go vampire questline besides easy blood (which i can assure you is totally not easy to get off a random bandit) And some rings you don't really need as vampire lord is OP enough as is.
Thanks bethesda for letting everyone get the benefits of both sides so your choice doesn't actually fucking matter.
>>342318564
I've been playing Dawnguard for the first time recently and it looks like I chose the wrong side.
>>342318386
I'm not picking a fight with you, I just can't comprehend how you can expect some kind of return to form here. Everything Bethesda has put out for over 10 years now has been a downward slope, with almost nothing about their games improving beyond graphics, and even then not by much.
I want you to be right, I'd love a second coming of Morrowind, and if it happens I'd gladly eat my words, but there really isn't any call for optimism here. Bethesda has learned that they can make more money with a cheaper product based on their name and their IP names, they've got no reason to invest more time and money into their games beyond benevolence, and I know better than to expect that from a multi-million dollar company.
>>342318647
>buy
>elderscrolls
>buy
>buy
>>342318647
you get it for free
i'm missing 2 dlcs that i pirated, but i'm sure i can pick them up in a sale for cheap
>>342318583
i use the ring on a mage, not as a vamp lord
>werewolf playthrough
>make a mod that means hircine's ring makes it so you can transform at will
>make a mod that means feeding gives you 5 seconds of the berserker rage effect
so much fun
>>342307447
I sometimes hear the noises they make in my nightmares. It's the noises that disturb me. Glad I'm not the only one.
>>342318743
>Hey dragon born I need you to save my son from the thalmor!
>Okay
>Learn i can get him officially released by asking general tulius
>Go through imperial questline
>Ask tulius to write a form for him to be released
>He gets let out through imperial kindness
>Goes to join the stormcloak's despite the legion being the ones who freed him
Genius
>>342318379
I've been having fun, just started over today. It's still nothing amazing, but it's good to kill time between releases.
>>342318647
Remaster is free for PC users.
>>342318952
Oh then you can just enchant your own thats better through alchemy enchanting bullshit.
>>342318975
Actually, Tullius will never give you the necessary missive, even if you finish the Civil War in his favor.
>>342306776
The thieves guilds are so different between IV and V.
>Oblivion
>Friends of the poor, enemies of the guards
>Work your way up doing missions that require stealth
>Final quest is an elaborate and delicate heist for an elder scroll
>Skyrim
>Generic selfish cutthroats doing some rich bitch's dirty work, guards are in on it
>Missions are mostly petty theft, and you can just yolo-charge all the baddies.
>Final quest is a shit-ass easy dungeon with nothing special
>>342310580
All of the holds look the same except for the snowy one
>>342318975
Wait, I remember that questline pissing me the fuck off because I tried to get Tullius to release him like the game hinted at, but couldn't because apparently that was cut as a quest ending. Do you have a mod that restores it?
>>342319128
> Not installing the USKP
Unless you are consolecuck
Do people really not like the RNG in Morrowind?
It's meant to be an RPG lol
>>342319250
I'm just saying, Bethesda didn't even give you the option in vanilla.
>>342319247
>>342319128
There are a bunch of mods that restore it, I just don't remember which one I used as it was a long time ago. Doesn't excuse said quests stupidity.
>>342304716
Do you even comprehend Numidium
Wait what am I saying, of course you can't
>get the urge to play this game again
>download mods
>game wont start
Maybe I just forgot how to install mods properly or something but I cannot get this game to work with mods on.
>>342319208
I actually liked the different tone of Skyrim's Thieves Guild at first. Yeah yeah, none of this Robin Hood shit, Imma beat up the locals for protection money!
Then of course they shoved muh honor and muh nocturnal down your throat anyway.
>>342305851
>Daggerfall
>liking randomly generated tripe
>>342315061
>Oblivion was a bit guilty of this too, but at least most of the important quests involved doing some FUCKING STEALING
Actually almost all of Oblivions Thief guild quests involve stealing of some kind and are very unique. The one where you just have to go through some ruins are 3 but even they have some interesting stuff.
The first one is when you meet the moth cult blind priests. The second time is during the Arrow of Extrication quest in the fort ruins, but if you kill the mage dude in the end there you'll be kicked out of the mages guild 100% if you're a member.
To avoid this either you steal the arrow without being detected, or you have to be an Archmage in the mages guild, that way the mage dude won't even be hostile and you can even talk to him normally. He basically lets you take the arrow and I think its not even considered as stealing.
The third one is during the The Ultimate Heist but I don't even need to explain that one.
>>342319208
the fact that the thieves guild has lost its' way is a major plot point.
doesn't make it enjoyable though, but at least it makes sense.
>>342319208
I was fine with the TG being assholes in Skyrim but why did they suddenly start acting so self-righteous at the end? I was sure there would be more to do with Maven Black Briar, like getting rid of her influence but nope. She still threatens me even though I'm leader of both the guild and the Dark Brotherhood, and I'm a thane of Riften
>oblivion gates
>>342319627
>bill dagon
>>342305381
That Glarthir guy creeps me the fuck out though
>>342319627
>can just avoid them
>take 1/10th the time to clear as a draugur ruin
>>342319485
>Actually almost all of Oblivions Thief guild quests involve stealing of some kind and are very unique.
>that quest where you go steal the countess of leyawiin's ring by sneaking in to her room via her secret argonian torture dungeon
man that was some shit
>>342319627
>See a gate
>enter it
>tcl
>straight line to quest goal
Worse thing is they are the only interesting landscape in a sea of generic fantasy. And they still manage to be hollow.
>>342319558
>Almighty Dragonborn
>Defeater of Alduin the World Eater
>Champion for every Daedric Prince
>Bringer of peace and the one who ended Skyrim's great civil war
>Walk through Solitude after leaving my palatial mansion
>Walk past a lowly town guard as he does his rounds
>Ohh, what's wrong? Somebody steal your sweetroll?
>Punch his teeth in as is deserving of someone who mocks the savior of the realm
>All of his friends beat my ass and throw me in prison
>I'm not even given the choice to demand retribution by way of public execution
Fuck this shitty game.
>>342304869
Once again, the first post is the best.
>>342319627
>Don't start the main quest
>Not a single Portal
>>342319419
Pretty sure most of the mods on the nexus are outdated and incompatible with other updated mods.
>>342319824
Nothing can stand against the LAW
>>342319787
That one was great. You also had to steal it soon since she had a schedule to go to Chorrol or something.
>>342319935
Reminder that skyrim's guards are factually worse then oblivions.
>>342312091
>trys to show that the miss miss miss is a meme
>records the combat with very high stats
>he missed a hit
L.E.L.
>>342319824
>It's- It's you! The Hero of Kvatch! This is truly an honor.
Back in the day guards showed me some motherfucking respect.
>use scrolls to boost acrobatics
>dont break boots of springheel jack
>get to keep them
>can literally skip to the ends of dungeons by jumping to higher ledges
>>342307565
>It's YOU. The hero of mY CROTCH."
>>342312068
>rich people lived there
>city packed to shit
>buildings all packed together
>one lunatic shitting up the place
>>342320001
The eyeholes in their helmets are empty voids. For all I know they're all Thalmor.
>leveled rewards
Is there anything more retarded than this? Even leveled enemies make sense to an extent, but leveled rewards are just retarded.
>help out duke and save his life at level 3
Holy shit thanks for saving my and the kingdom, here's a rusty spork with turn undead level 3
>help out podunk town at level 30
Wow thanks traveler we don't have much but take this ring of protection that has as much armor rating as a fucking Daedric Chestpiece.
>>342320072
>Mfw if you got your disposition high enough for a guard he would cover for you
>>342320072
>walk to feet
>Try to enter building
>Didn't notice it was locked
>exit lockpicking screen without trying to even pick
>STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
>>342319824
>>342320001
>>342320072
>play Morrowind
>become Nerevarine
>tell ordinators you're the Nerevarine
>opinion plummets
>temple starts publishing papers about how you're a dangerous heretic
>actually save the land
>opinion everywhere skyrockets
I can't fucking stand Skyrim's four degrees of reputation.
>>342320150
I am now following this consiracy
>>342320189
Unless your bounty exceeded 1000 right?
>>342304716
>Played skyrim a lot
>played Morrowind a lot
>Only played Oblivion briefly hundreds of moons ago before I ever got into modding
>look up Oblivion modding
>all guides are out of date
>the community is a ghost town
>find people making statements that Oblivion is hands down the most difficult Elder Scrolls game to mod
>MFW not only am I a sucky modding I was recently forced to upgrade to Windows 10 which has shitty performance for old games
Should I even try?
>>342320150Psst. Hail Sithis
