How did they fuck up Fallout 4 series so bad. They literally had gold mine in their hands and they fucked it up.
>>342297650
>Got rid of attributes
>No more skill points
>Special is fucking worthless
>Hardly any weapons that looked like crap
>Shit story line
>No actual free will
>Shit DLC that does what modders could have done if the GECK came out in time
>Shitty dialog system of yes, no, sarcastic yes, more information.
>No fucking RPG elements what so god damn ever.
But hey the power armor was good ill give them that
>>342297650
Bethesda has been shit for quite some time now. Everything they touch turns to shit. Even fallout 3 was shit but it was still one of the last beth games that were still okay.
>>342297650
I miss skill points and skill checks mostly. That and quest branches. Everything was so fucking linear.
>>342297650
It doesn't matter since they make insane profit anyways.
They'll just go on like before thinking it's their genius descisions that sell those games and not the aggressive marketing that makes retardes think they need to buy the game to be hip.
As a sidenote though, we can't be sure how much of the fuck-ups are actually Bethesda's fault and not Zenimax's.
I've been playing the DLC today and another complaint I have is just the lack of detail and low effort. You know the game is glitchy, it runs like shit, and stuff like the settlement I made, that has TONS of defenses, and full happiness not recognizing me as the leader and boss man annoys me.
They just come ask me like any other quest giver to go kill nearby raiders because they have been putting the dick down their throats and taking shit. And that they can't do anything. I'VE GOT TURRETS LINED UP AROUND THE PERIMETER OF ALL KINDS NOTHING CAN GET THROUGH.
I have not been attacked by raiders ONCE. They lied about that too.
I mourn the death of Fallout's writing more than I do the death of Fallout's isometric CRPG gameplay, to be quite honest with you desu. I'm all about SRPGs, but for some reason games like Fallout or Baldur's Gate just bored me to tears.
>>342297650
Fallout 4 was better than Fallout 3 and just shy of Vanilla Vegas
WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS
>>342299146
>just shy of Vanilla Vegas
is this retard for real?
>>342297650
Fallout 4 is not an RPG.
>>342297650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp61CWg8XY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A34poZ6paGs
>>342299016
the writing died after fallout 1 tho
>>342299584
>1+ hour
>>342297650
I like all 3 of the 3D games. Git fukt
>>342297650
because bethesda were too blinded by "LOL SO WACKY RETRO FUTURISTIC MAD MAX"
and forgot to actually make a meaningful world space with characters that actually have semi-human reactions.
everyone in bethesda games is soo eager to stroke off the player for the smallest fucking thing
but if you go and play FO1 and FO2 people dont bend over backwards to make you feel like a super special snowflake for doing something
not to mention the absolute lack of world building, like in fallout 1 & 2 you see a progression of communites building them selves up with farming and trade
but in fallout 3&4 its like there is no communites except maybe megaton or diamond city that have any actual history or reason for being
>>342297650
>How did they fuck up Fallout 4 series so bad.
YOU JUST DON'T GET IT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The Glowing Sea should have been a literal sea of Glowing Ones and feral ghouls.
>>342297650
>there will never be a good atmospheric fps stylized fallout game
God that old concept looks amazing, closet thing we had was Dead Money, I'm not sure about Far Harbor cause I haven't bought it yet
>>342299291
Vegas vanilla had a lot of problems that really hurt it for me
a good story isn't the only aspect of a game
>>342297650
they are misguided
>>342300102
>Good story
>Hurrr...who will win 'New Vegas?'
>>342297650
Bethesda don't have to try.
They have this ability to automatically fuck up.
DUDE
NUKES
LMAO
>>342297932
All this plus the decade old engine bugs that they refuse to fix (items moving when you pick one up, npcs getting stuck on geometry, etc).
>>342300180
I enjoyed it
the Story was pretty wonky as well in Fallout 2 and outright awful in Fallout 3
>>342297650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5UflPhz-Do
>>342297650
I never noticed it before but now I'm seeing a huge similarity with this art to the 1993 DOOM boxart.
ashes, GO HOOOOOOME
Erin misses YOUuuuuuuu :;;(
>>342297932
Probably by releasing Minecraft DLC that costs half the price of any other Fallout game
>>342297650
saw this the other day
>>342297650
>FO1 was almost perfect and groundbreaking
>FO2 was 9gag tier memeshit which completely destroyed anything that made the first one good
>FO3 picks up where 1 left off and brings it to first person, while keeping everything that made the first one great
>NV again shits all over the previous games by emulating 2 and failing to live up to 1 and 3
>FO4 saves the franchise again by focusing on the strengths and expanding the ideas and mechanics much further
Your opinion is objectively shit.
>>342300389
Ah yes
because Classic Fallout never had any jokey bits
maybe Fallout 1 was serious but Fallout 2 definitely was not
>>342297650
I put over a hundred hours into new vegas and all its expansions, about a hundred into 3 and its expansions, i finished the main story in 4 after about 40 after doing the few interesting side quests i could find, and ignoring huge chunks of "content" like the base building and ALL of the radiant quests. I never want to touch that game again. The DLC looks terrible and theres no build variety. In the end I just console comnanded myself a bunch of shit and fucked about for 30 minutes but even that wasnt fun. Worst AAA open world game in years.
>>342300641
>the Borderlands 2 of Fallout
>>342297650
i love how Bethesda refuses to acknowledge New Vegas or anything related to the original games.
They think energy weapons are made out of trash you find in dumpsters and yet believe the Institute is this highly intelligent faction with all this advanced technology.
They and I mean EVERYBODY easily had access to this type of technology. This is considered Pre-War.
>>342297650
>they HAD a goldmine in their hands
>make more money than ever
shit kids on /v/ say
>>342300605
(you)
>>342300641
those are special encounters
>>342300523
Oh wow! Its africa! Look everybody!
>>342300641
older fallout had stories and jokes
in newer fallout the story is the joke
that's the difference
>>342297650
i thought it was pretty cool
>>342300812
Creative goldmine, not a financial one.
>>342300641
>small random encounters that are an obvious reference to something that doesnt affect the rest of the game
vs
>and entire aesthetic of "LOL NUKES AND 50's LOOKING CARS IN A MAD MAX WORLD XD"
i rather a few small jokes from time to time than an entire game built around the prewar aesthetic
>>342300785
worst of all is that all the pre-war energy weapons were military equipment and should bloody look like military equipment
FO3 plasma pistol/rifle doesn't look like something you'd send to war, it looks like a bad prop that falls apart the minute you look at it funny
>>342300920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
>>342300882
the truth hurts, doesn't it?
>>342301000
Happened sometimes when you were moving with the brush gun too.
>Beth has prewar segment in FO4
>War, war never changes
>Literally the goddamn 50s and not a single shred of the actual collapse of society that was happening just before the Great War
>War, war never changes
>Pre-war vertibirds
>War, war never changes
>Protag and family literally stare at a full scale nuke going off without being instantly blinded, vaporized, or lethally irradiated
>War, war never changes
>>342301106
>YEP LOOKS LIKE FALLOUT TO ME! SHIP IT!
who approved this?
>>342301134
>>342301309
I like how the survivalist's logs from honest hearts made for a better representation of nuclear warfare than Beth managed in 4 with full on visual action
>>342300893
quests had jokey bits too
like getting a job as a "fluffer" becoming a porn star, NotJackie Chan and NotBruce Lee, Grampy bone and the tribals who became tribals after a few decades outside the vault, the Navaro base, talking deathclaws, the guys who dressed up as scorpions to steal cattle, lots more I'm not mentioning.
humour is nothing new in Fallout and FO4 isn't any more jokey than the other games really.
>>342297650
Probably the same way they fucked up Fallout 3.
>>342297650
They cucked it. They removed almost everything that made Fallout an RPG, and what little remained they made so shallow even the most retarded casual could become a god in 10 hours of playtime. The interesting world of Fallout was reduced to that of a Hollywood movie, and all choices were reduced to "Yes". Oh and your stuck being a goodey two shoes, no more evil characters to roleplay as, you can only be an angel. Fuck Bethesda/Todd and their lies.
>>342301425
honestly I'm still assuming bethesda wanted to make a post-apocalyptic rpg and just bought the fallout name for publicity's sake
literally every single thing about FO3 feels like it takes place barely 20 or so years after the bombs fell, not 200
>>342300523
What exactly are you trying to get at here?
>>342300372
I don't think its a case of refusing, the engine is just so dated and shit that you can't fix those bugs
>>342301108
Still one of the best intros to a video game I have ever seen.
Bethesda likes to focus on edgy pre-war HUMAN NATURE shit in their fallouts
and big monsters vs. big robots with big guns so they can impress all the review outlet$
and getting rid of ron perlman what the fuck?
>>342297650
Bethesda were too fucking lazy to make memorable locations and towns, so in true Beth tradition they said, "Fuck it, the player can do it for us" so we got ~3 towns in the game, only 2 of which are half decent and a bunch of shitty factories.
>>342301106
>its a /v/ talks out of their ass episode
>rpg codex shitposters who literally do nothing all day but shitpost bethesda
>literally every day this is all they do
guys we have to nuke boston in order to save it
even though boston only ever received a single nuke in the past and was utterly fucked for over 200 years because reasons
>>342297932
>Shit DLC that does what modders could have done if the GECK came out in time
Modders basically did the DLCs before the GECK was even out
>>342301889
he is the announcer on TV at the start
>>342297650
Dear noobs. You all need to learn to never buy Bethesda games when they first come out. Wait for the "Legendary" or "GOTY" versions.
If you fall for the hype, you're going to get burned.
>>342301959
>was utterly fucked for over 200 years because reasons
because mongoloids won't stop fighting
things must have settled down at least 50 years after the bombs since that's when cities started setting themselves up and the minutemen were almost like a proper army for a little while
>>342297650
if they actually made fallout 4 it's own game with less ties to the fallout universe i bet people would bitch less
but they marketed under it anyways, and took a huge risk adding the voiced protag. Oh well, we always have 5 to look foward to
>>342301837
Look at the Mediterranean Sea
>>342301915
>one weapon made post war by brotherhood that can only be found in one place in the entirety of fallout 1 & 2
vs
>a weapon that can be found nearly every fucking where and was supposedly made prewar.
hmm something dont add up here m8
>>342300373
Everyone always shits on FO3 story and I don't know why.
Is it just because there aren't really factions to side with?
Because having people fight over a way to make clean water in the wasteland is way more interesting than having groups fight over real estate.
>>342302223
Well, the shape is there, it's just the wrong color.
>>342302207
No, we don't. Unless the planets align perfectly, and the miracle that would be Bethesda asking Oblivion to make another Fallout game, the franchise is fucked. 4 is what the future of Fallout is gonna be, watered down, shitty normie-tier crap.
>>342301837
Canada
>>342300728
I'm about 60 hours into 4 and I haven't even been to Diamond City yet.
>>342301915
yeh just look at all the WACKY shit on this pistol
>>342302390
I was just pissed at the forced ending unless you have DLC. For me is that was the only memorable part of the quest, and I mean that's the only part I can remember. Shit was bland yo.
>>342301889
it is supposed to be about human nature.
that hack Emil Pagliarulo can't write for shit.
>>342302604
no way this could pass for military equipment
>>342302291
yes this looks ready for battle
>>342302390
because the whole wasteland is just so decrepit and destroyed, the towns have nothing in them besides the main quest really
and quests connect with nothing plus the characters are so dead.
>>342302604
the crazy weapons are much better than the realistic ones
>>342302795
given that thing was designed to be used by power armored troops as a heavy weapon equivalent to say a portable missile launcher it looks pretty alright
remember in FO1 and 2 plasma rifles were a god damn big deal
>>342302223
That's when todd used the fill tool on the ocean and he didn't bother to fix the mediterranean
>>342302506
I think you mean obsidian
>>342302390
The ending is absolutely fucking beyond retarded and you have to pay money to unfuck the writing. This is objectively true.
Not to mention the entire main quest is James' quest and journey, not yours. You are essentially a spectator to his story instead of having your own.
Not to mention the fucking Potomac shouldn't even be radioactive in the first place.
Not to mention the only people that have water troubles are the bums outside Rivet City and Megaton who possess a metaphysical thirst that cannot be quenched with actual water. Everyone else is fine.
And if you dare give said bums too much water then the BAD GUYS and their infinite clone army that possess infinite resources in a supposed worthless wasteland will hunt you down forever because they are bad because bad guys
>>342301837
Sudan isn't split
>>342302542
Canada was annexed, but it's still technically a separate entity.
JINGLE JANGLE
>>342303040
And pretty fucking difficult to use if you fuggered up your build.
>>342301995
My tin foil hat theory is that the GECK was done when it was originally going to be launched, but papa bethesda found out that modders were already doing their robot mod, and they said fuck it! Launch DLC NOW!
Ie robot shit DLC, crappy contraption DLC, and the shit that is the far harbor DLC.
So far the only DLC that looks decent is the vault building because again, what mods will do for it.
>>342303648
as long as you had power armor on they weren't to difficult to use
using one just regularly did require a dedicated build though
>>342303512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zGSkMImDlk
>>342303218
>James' quest and journey, not yours
Only if you just blindly chase him around. I basically told him to fuck off and did my own thing for as much of the game as possible.
When I heard of the institute in FO3 I thought there would be so many crazy inventions and stuff, but when you go into FO4 there's only robot people. Good jorb, bethesda
>No more H&K CAWS
>No more Pancor Jackhammer
>No more FN-FAL
>No more P90
>No more AK patterns
Why does Beth hate "modern" weaponry in Fallout?
At least FO3 had AKs and other similar rifles. FO4 rewinds the goddamn clock even harder and eliminates them and makes the "assault rifle" a fucking WW1 machine gun.
>>342303990
The institute are pretty shit already
>>342302652
>Emil Pagliarulo
Was thief 2 any good then?
>>342297932
At least they are more sincere now, it isn't Fallout 3 ridiculous system to emulate a real rpg without being one
>>342304050
they are retroacticly trying to rewrite the lore
its prob why they largely ignore fallout NV and most of the originals
>>342303990
when i heard about project purity in 3 i thought we were going to save the wasteland
instead we just purified a lake into drinking water
good jorb bethesda
>>342303802
I needed this in my life
>>342300605
>>342300605
Fallout 1's major strenght was its writing and atmosphere. Are you implying that Fallout 3 and 4 have good writing ?
>>342303974
Thats why I said main quest in the same sentence anon.
You can't tell James that he is a fucking imbecile that is wasting an extremely powerful matter manipulation device on a fucking water purifier for water that wouldn't even be contaminated.
I mean fuck, he only gets slightly disappointed at you for fucking nuking Megaton.
Ignoring terrible writing is no excuse for it to be there in the first place.
>>342304105
>The BOS fight an AI in Fallout 3
>Forget that AIs exist in Fallout 4
I enjoyed fallout 3 alot. It was my first fallout game. Loved it, got all achievments including the dlc. Got alot of shit out of it.
Loved it so much i completed Fallout 1. I have to admit, i have to mostly use a guide to complete it, still enjoyed the heck out of it. I have yet to play fallout 2, but i heard great things about it.
For some reason, people dislike fallout 3 and love new vegas. I personally stopped playing new vegas after 10 hours or so, i didnt find it fun.
I knew from the start fallout 4 would just be the same engine, the same shitty performance on console, and even more dumbed down. Im going to buy the goty edition when it goes for nothing like i did with fallout 3 back in the time, cant go wrong with that.
>>342304481
fallout 4 improves on many of those things
>>342304530
>FO3 states that Liberty Prime was unfinished when the Great War occurred
>FO4 states that Liberty Prime was fully operational and deployed in Anchorage before the Great War
What did Emil mean by this
>>342300605
>>FO2 was 9gag tier memeshit which completely destroyed anything that made the first one good
>>FO3 picks up where 1 left off and brings it to first person, while keeping everything that made the first one great
>keeping everything that made the first one great
>>NV again shits all over the previous games by emulating 2 and failing to live up to 1 and 3
>>>FO4 saves the franchise again by focusing on the strengths and expanding the ideas and mechanics much further
Transcendental B8
>>342302390
>>342304786
that the brotherhood of steal are dumb shits
>>342304593
>i have to mostly use a guide to complete it
>I personally stopped playing new vegas after 10 hours or so, i didnt find it fun.
Hand holding much ?
>>342304050
because LE PERPETUAL 50'S WACKY ZANY WASTELAND
>>342304786
OMG yo i fucking neck beard ranged about the fucking power armor bullshit they pulled.
>Uh uh uh.....T-60 was deployed at the same time along side the t45 power armor....even though the t51 was just coming outta prototype....
Why are their x01 power armor suits in old bunkers that have been locked for 200 years...
>Uhhhh uhhhhh ummmmmm it was created pre war.....
>>342305095
What do you mean?
The time limit in fallout 1 really put a big pressure upon me, and i wanted to get the most out of it, so i used a guide which let me complete alot of quests, which were really interesting and fun. I dont really remember alot, but i remember interesting scenarios with some sheriff, in some bar etc...
I just really didnt enjoy fallout 4. After 10 hours i went into the dlc with all the smoke and that one btfod me hard to the point where i had to stop playing because there was no way to get out of it. No food and the smoke fucks you up the ass. People value the story in new vegas but i really found nothing special about it, i dont know, thats just me, im sure im wrong.
>>342302390
>Because having people fight over a way to make clean water in the wasteland is way more interesting than having groups fight over real estate.
>the real estate they were fighting over was one of the largest sources of power and clean water in the wasteland
There's a reason why it's called the Battle of Hoover Dam 2: Electric Boogaloo
>>342304593
I had a similar experience to you. I loved F3, finished everything and when NV came out the year after, and I played that first on my computer for around 5-6 hours before I was bored of it, and didn't enjoy it.
I eventually got it for the 360 that Christmas, and loved it even more than Fallout 3. It took me around two days of playing until I truly was enjoying it (around getting to New Vegas) and now I consider it one of my favourite games. When I finished Fallout NV, I went back to playing Fallout 1 and 2.
I finished 1 using a guide since it was really confusing where to go since it was the first time I ever played a game like that. I disliked Fallout 1 a lot at first since it was so boring to play, but it really picked up when I started to understand the gameplay and all my shots actually started to hit people. Fallout 2 was a lot better since I knew how the game played and didn't rely on a guide.
Fallout 4 is terrible though, don't have high hopes for it.
>>342304460
I would has it's okay in case of 3, but very good in 4.
>>342305406
>The time limit in fallout 1 really put a big pressure upon me
I finished every single side quest in Shady sands, Junktown and the HUB, and still had a shitload of time left, plus you can send water to your vault
>so i used a guide which let me complete alot of quests
Fucking disgusting
> People value the story in new vegas
Not just that, New Vegas fixed every thing wrong with 3 and was aiming for even more without Beshitsda's interruption, it's an actual RPG with solid gameplay, story and actual moral choices, not hand holding sim
>>342305236
>Go to some locked vault for the first time 200 years.
>You find pipe guns and jets from there.
Heh.
Why did James need a G.E.C.K. for the purifier?
>>342304990
>Somebody wrote that
>Being that autistic about a vidya
I'm sorry they broke your dolly, anon
>>342302390
>>342305880
DUDE
FALLOUT 2 REFERENCE
LMAO
>>342305763
Thats great for you, but just like another anon said, it was my first real crpg. I didnt want to spend my time getting good at the time. The only reason i went trough it was because i enjoyed fallout 3.
You can find it disgusting, i dont care, i dont even want a discussion out of this, just gave my opinion, didnt really see any change of new vegas to fallout 3, im sure if i replay and put more time into it i would think differently.
>>342305891
are big words making your brain hurt?
>>342300605
>>342305891
>ad hominem and no actual argument
discarded, he pointed out extremely basic shit related to real life, and he didn't even delve much into how lore breaking it is
>>342305454
Except the Dam is in like 7 minutes of the game.
>CURRENT YEAR
>>342306038
>he didn't go to the dam before the battle
SHIGGY
>>342305880
Isn't the G.E.C.K. actually just a packet of seeds and a D battery?
>>342306120
I actively avoid areas that I know are end-game places.
>>342297932
wait what there are attributes and skillpoints, have you even played it? they just changed the menu around. I personally think the building fits perfectly with the setting, the entire history of the game is people making shanty towns out of debris, it just adds more to the game play cycle, go out do quests and explore, come back to your base to unload and build more onto it. I hope all the free roaming rpgs add building elements because it makes the world feel more meaningful.
>>342306291
>end game
>never did an NCR run
>>342305880
Because the GECK was changed into a powerful matter manipulation device in FO3 that was also very unstable and could easily explode and instantly kill you
Now what I want to know is how Dad designed a water purifier to use a component that he has never seen or worked with at any point in his life
Or why none of the other vaults in D.C. had a GECK except for the super top secret super mutant factory that was seemingly made to be a failed vault
And why he wastes a fucking GECK on a goddamn water purifier for moving water that wouldn't even be radioactive in the first place
And why he designs the purifier to have a fucking radiation trap in the goddamn control room that summons deadly radiation from nowhere since the purifier wasn't even active yet
Or why the Enclave just didn't brute force the code with a really long stick in order to avoid the "radiation spike trap" on inputting a wrong code
I would love Bethesda to retcon FO2 completely and make a new game covering the complete bay area. SF was soooo fucking disappointing.
the premise is so stupid.
parents will never stop looking for their children.
another settlement needs my help? I gotta go on a quest to find paint?
well how is that my problem? if NPCs can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.
>>342306291
>go there for NCR jobs
>go there to solve King's Gambit
>go there for Arizona Killer/You'll Know It When It Happens
>go there to steal some phat loot
It was there for more than the final battle.
>>342306534
>I would love Bethesda to retcon FO2
no.
>>342299016
Because you're an ADD faggot that can't handle entry level CRPGs
so uh where did the institute get FEV from
just asking for a friend
yeah a friend
>>342304786
Transcription error
>>342299717
Worth every second of it (first video)
>>342297932
Man the power armor is so entertaining I'm even willing to overlook how poorly thought out the Cell system was.
Now if only F:NV had it...
>>342306661
But the game is 90% shit. So much wasted potential. I'm not from the US, but visiting CA right now and there could have been so much more.
>>342306751
because the game needed orcs
>>342306917
Bethesda can't make use of any of that potential
If supermutants are so godamn hard to make then why do they suicide bomb themselves? How will this help their goal to increase their population?
The first thing I think of when I hear of Salem, Massachusetts is giant crabs.How did they fuck up Salem?
>>342307261
Confirmed, dogs are tougher than East Coast super mutants.
>>342297650
They didn't. It's just a meme because /v is NO FUN ALLOWED. If it's popular it must suck and nothing is ever good.
>>342306917
>But the game is 90% shit
Literally wot, elaborate
>>342305891
Fucking normie, what are you even doing here?
>>342307261
Even better question, why doesn't he just spike the bomb anyway while the dog is grabbing his hand? It's not like he needs to save that hand when he's about to detonate a nuclear warhead in his own face.
>>342300605
I lost.
+1 Internet, best YLYL ever.
>>342307436
Except this is one of the few times it's true.
>>342307412
there's just not enough quest except radiant quests after the main story and the main story is shit
>>342307440
>the story is mostly shit: I have to save my tribe!
>GECK = macguffin
>Frank Horrigan is the worst shoe-horned in villain in video game history
>MEMES
>the whole bay area are like 5 houses with chinese people in them
>constantly breaking the fourth wall
>even today many quests are broken and don't work properly even with unofficial patches
>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
I could go on but I don't have time for this. I guess the enclave was cool...
>>342302449
>surrounding nations drained bodies of water around them.
Peep the red sea.
>>342300523
wew there were so lazy they didn't even color in the Mediterranean
>>342307940
What do you consider post-apocalyptic? Also what videogame has the best plot?
>>342306159
Fuck load of seeds and s shit load of instructions to suit whatever predicted environment that could've spawned from the war plus how to rebuild infrastructure and the such.
>>342307940
>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
That's the point Todd, it's post-post apocalypse. It's been 200 years since the war, not 20 (which is how 3 looks).
>>342307825
>Walking along the overpasses
>Yelp from Dogmeat falling to his demise every 75 seconds.
>>342307940
>>the story is mostly shit: I have to save my tribe!
It's not bad, it's decent t bh
>>GECK = macguffin
Absolutely not, F2 is the only one that described the GECK accurately, a tool to bring back life and boost farming
>>Frank Horrigan is the worst shoe-horned in villain in video game history
And the most intimidating one for sure
>>the whole bay area are like 5 houses with chinese people in them
In contrary to
>>constantly breaking the fourth wall
Not constantly, mostly side conversations and few easter eggs/encounters
>>even today many quests are broken and don't work properly even with unofficial patches
I agree on this one
>>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
.......that's the point ?
>>342308243
FNV
Did any of the recent changes make the enemies in Fallout drop something better than fucking pipe weapons yet? Pirated it, beat it, and dropped it round the first month of release.
>>342307781
Hey, I'll be the first to admit it's not perfect. As a matter of fact, in a lot of ways I like New Vegas better and I was somewhat disappointed with 4, but at the same time it's not a shit game. It's a solid 8.5/10 compared to New Vegas being a 9/10. But /v doesn't do nuance. Every game must be either the GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME!!!!1111!!! or OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS A PIECE OF SHIT!!!11111!!! autistic shit.
IMO, Fallout 4 is a good, interesting game that is better than 90 percent of games out there.
best combat though
>>342308408
Their weapon drops are based on level. And didn't you encounter any legendaries?
>>342308408
around 30-40 levels they do but they still do drop pipe weapons for the rest of the game
Nothing to do nothing to see. No one talks about the quests because none of them were good. No one talks about any of the characters outside of 3 companions because they were all shit. No one talks about the factions in a positive way because they were all awful.
FO4 is about walking around killing things and hoarding junk to build shit you don't need. FO4 was garbage. Even if you took away the fallout name it would be a bad game because most everything is half assed.
>>342308460
>interesting
kek no, ultra normie basic trash
Dumbed down everything that made fallout great and turned it into a settlement building sim.
Alsobthe story was by far the worst.
>>342308404
The Master was better than Frank.
>>342308243
FO1 is post-apocalyptic and that's what's great about it. 2 and NV not and thus don't fit into the series.
>>342308271
nevertheless, 3 captures the atmosphere of the first game much better.
>>342308408
different factions get weapons at different rates. Super Mutants pretty much always have a lot of pipe weapons cause their idiots, low level raiders have a lot of pipe weapons but as they get higher in level they get better weapons, and gunners rarely have pipe weapons and start out having better shit.
>>342308832
>The Master
Personality wise, yes but too easy
>>342308535
Yeah here and there, though you can't dismantle legendaries IIRC, so I ended up resorting to buying all the mods I needed for my weapons otherwise.
>>342308673
go back to your call of duty shit, then. hey, RPGs aren't for everyone.
>>342306312
heres your you
>>342309051
I was referring to F4, should've made my post more clear, oops
>>342308986
You can't take off the mod that makes it legendary, but they are otherwise as moddable as everything else.
>>342307940
Frank Horrigan was the embodiment of the Enclave. They were fed patriotic lies to twist their beliefs and justify their goals. Go talk to some of the Enclave soldiers at the Oil Rig and see for yourself. They are all buddy-buddy with you until the moment you mention you are not of purebreed. They can't tell the difference.
Also wasn't the water purifier chip a macguffin as well?
>>342307940
>the story is mostly shit: I have to save my tribe!
Well, when your tribe is suffering from a drought the more or less the whole region is suffering some degree or another what else would you do?
>GECK = macguffin
F2 was the only one to describe it in a sensical way. It's a giant case full of modified seeds and instructions, not some press to fix everything tool.
>Frank Horrigan is the worst shoe-horned in villain in video game history
I can agree on that but for the most part he is just there doing his job as a secret service member while being scary as shit.
>MEMES
Special encounters that you really have to go hunting for sometimes. If you mean references they are not directly in your face.
>the whole bay area are like 5 houses with chinese people in them
as opposed to most of the towns? mind you the towns are supposed to represent something bigger while not trying to crash the damn game.
>even today many quests are broken and don't work properly even with unofficial patches
Agreed, but rarely happens.
>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
It's not supposed to. It's the post apocalypse and everyone's moved one, hell even the first F1 felt like everyones moved on with their lives.
This is the product of a few factors.
1. The people with decision making authority at Bethesda are not people who understand the appeal of the games.
2. The highly compartmentalized development process results in a disjointed game experience rather than the game seeming like a unified creative vision.
What you see is a complete lack of inspiration and a bunch of people phoning it in.
>>342299865
t-todd p-please dont get angry
>>342307940
Kill yourself
>>342308849
3 only captures the atmosphere by ripping off the bare story elements of 1.
>Vault dweller fights super mutants and finds water chip mcguffin
>>342309318
But he has no character besides being evil and no real motivation. As a character he just fall completely flat.
The water chip might be called a macguffin as well, but it's pretty clear what it does. The GECK somehow is a briefcase capable of creating vault city? How?
>>342310058
>But he has no character besides being evil and no real motivation.
That's the true spirit of being a nationalist killing machine, making him a relatable character will make him paladin-tier
>The GECK somehow is a briefcase capable of creating vault city? How?
Seeds do wonder, and Vault city has a shitload of food, water and tech vault stuff to trade you know, more than enough to establish a good settlement
>>342309318
And god, if even one person on his team knew what he truly was what could they do about it?
>>342310058
Well, Seeds ontop instructions with the already large supply of shit from the vault can do wonders saved for helping them build up their maxed out power source.
>>342310058
>he has no character
did you read the backstory on him? The Enclave built him.
he was just a guy doing his job until he was afflicted by the FEV. He became a mutant which they studied immensely and his brain was fried. He returned a hero but also they couldn't let everyone see what he really looked like. They were able to subdue him and control him to be their big enforcing puppet.
Do you get it? He is literally a mindless brute who spouts propaganda and blindly serves his country.
>>342297650
got it for free today because i gameshared. does it play well on ps4?
>>342299146
New Vegas and 4 are leagues apart.
>>342310468
Really? i just thought he was just a really loyal solider. Note i haven't beaten fallout 2 yet and I've gotten to the part of retrieving the stuff for the boat.
What is the atmosphere that 3 manages to do so well since its the only positive thing people ever seem to say about it
>>342310290
>>342310410
But if the GECK is just seeds in a briefcase, why is it so special and important?
>>342310468
Describe Frank Horrigan WITHOUT saying what he looks like, what he wears or what his profession or role in the game was.
>>342310812
Well, think of it like this. It contains literally manuals and a computer chalked full or pre-war information and information suited "Most" post-war environments to attempt to rebuild itself. The seeds for the most part are tough and require little water but the success of the user is up to really...just the users and community it land onto.
>>342310812
Seeds and a bunch of tools to facilitate living in an irradiated shithole, mostly power related stuff I think
>>342310751
he literally couldn't speak in complete sentences. They trained him to only give generic patriotic responses and not to think at all. Only to follow commands.
>>342310812
you are really reaching for something that isn't there. i don't know what you're really trying to ask. You are trying to convince us that Fallout 2 is really that bad, yes?
>>342310715
like I said, story isn't everything
Vegas was wonky as fuck to play, corrupted my saves, and was borderline broken in vanilla on release. plus there were too many invisible walls and the casinos were complete shit and horribly done.
>>342310962
>>342310963
is there any in game info on this? I don't remember that.
>>342310984
I am just saying that FO2 has obvious flaws which is why I cannot grasp how anyone could say it's by far the best in the series.
>>342311253
>Bethesda actually bugtested NV themselves
hahahahahahaaaaaaahahahaha
But invisible walls is definitely valid, and I suppose casinos are a little underwhelming, but I barely played them
>>342311472
I was so hyped after the initial first game slog around the south to get to Vegas and gamble and was horribly dissapointed
>>342309051
>Fallout 4
>RPG
kek
>>342311253
>like I said, story isn't everything
Story has nothing to do with my post. New Vegas has vastly better gameplay.
>>342311351
Did you explore any of the text or did you just go complete the objective and powered through information? Harold gives you info, vault city vault gives you info, vault city staff gives you info and if I remember correctly you could find out shit from the enclave ontop of the information being in the games hand book and fallout bible.
>>342312651
>did you even bother reading
if he did then none of us would be even having this conversation
>>342312651
I read a lot of the in game stuff. However, it's been some time since then. Alsothe fallout bible is not canon.
>>342313175
Bible not being canon? Boyo it has been sometime hasn't it? IF that;s the case I'm fine with answer lore stuff since you seemed a bit confused on it.
>>342313338
I enjoy Fallout 4 quite a bit. Is the DLC any good? I was thinking of getting the season pass but $50 is pretty steep
>>342313338
Okay here's a lore question for you: Why do people get really upset about the ghoul in the fridge quest in 4, when there are even fucking ghosts in the original games?
>>342313768
Because Ghouls can't live without food or water, who cares about Ghosts why can't they exist? But Ghouls explicitly need food and water to survive
>>342313338
>>342313726
Chris is lamenting the fact that the bible is no longer canon here, though.
>>342300491
Oh my fuck im glad im not the only one who noticed that. What the fuck was the direction for that line.
>>342313767
Far Harbor is great, best Fallout DLC hands down. Haven't played the rest yet.
My only big complaint about the game is that power armor is pretty useless
>>342302118
I had no idea what Bethesda was even like until this.
I had only played 3/NV way after they were released, and thought they were good, if buggy.
I thought that with the years of preparation they had, all the hype Todd drummed up, that it would be a good game.
I learned my lesson.
At least I didn't preorder the season pass too.
>>342314034
And the information is within context of the game at the time hence it being the most accurate description and explanation for the universes information for F1 and F2. As sad as it is with bethesda doing such a thing is their shit lore breaking will not destroy what is well established in the past. only for stuff in the future.
>>342313992
My point is that there have been far more ridiculous things in the franchise about which nobody complains.
>>342313768
Because psychic phenomena is canon in Fallout so people seeing and interacting with "ghosts" is not out of the question
But ghouls explicitly need food and water. This was established back in FO1 where if you snatch the water chip from Necropolis without fixing their shit then the ghouls die off because no water
>>342302118
>>342314607
>>342310812
You can't be this retarded
>>342314713
Because a ghost isn't Contradictory to previous knowledge
>>342314243
100% certain you're a shill.
Far Harbor is in the bottom tier of Fallout DLC, the only thing I can safely say it's better than is Operation Anchorage.
Point Lookout did the same thing infinitely better.
>>342302390
>rubble piles everywhere
>endless fucking repetitive subways
>nonsensical story
>hideous graphics
>green tint
>barely any side quests
>two armor slots
>hardly any weapon variety
>fewest/worst cities in a Bethesda game
>some of the worst gunplay ever
>bullet sponge enemies
>absolutely retarded ending "lol, it's destiny for you to die even though I'm immune to radiation" -Fawkes
>black and white morallity
Fallout 3 is absolute trash. Oblivion with guns is an insult to Oblivion. Worst Bethesda game by far. I've never been so disappointed in a game and I never even played FO1 & 2. Can't imagine how classic Fallout fans must have felt.
>>342315475
Of course it is. Ghost don't exist if you didn't know. And since fallout was supposed to be an alternate timeline of our universe, it is contradictory.
>>342315624
Are you literally retarded? Point Lookout is the second best DLC. Far Harbor had much more content, factions, choices, quests and interesing characters.
Although I agree that Operation Anchorage was absolutely awful.
>>342297650
>>342302390
>>342314262
After a certain level every armor is useless
>>342316127
The skeleton is holding another skeleton in an embrace thats 10/10 environmental storytelling so you cant remove it.
>>342315986
>Far Harbor had much more content, factions,
Quality > quantity
>choices
wew lad
It's pretty much the same ending as the main fucking story; kill synths, nuke people, or peace. Wow, such diverse choices.
>quests
Ah, yes. I particularly liked the series of fetch quests about some womans family, and the quests where I had to clear out settlements for the Minuteme- I mean, Harbormen.
>and interesing characters
Literally fucking who was interesting? DiMA? Fucking least interesting AI of all time.
>>342297650
>>342297932
Play Underrail faggots
>>342316498
Okay suspected as much, but now I definitely know you are just bating.
>>342316127
>those correspondences between raider groups
You could feel the spirit of the scenario writer trying to break free of the design constraints because he wasn't authorized to utilize the questing tools to fill out the raider content.
It's so bizarre to see game content working around entirely self-imposed limitations just because the head designers, writers, and programmers felt they needed to focus their efforts making every dialogue work with four voiced choices and other inane bullshit. Meanwhile Jim has to fill out the giant empty spaces Tim handed him as an afterthough but is only allowed to play with the basic level editor for fear of breaking their already bug ridden quest scripting.
>>342316857
Fuck off shill.
Far Harbor isn't even better than the base game, and that's saying something.
>>342317113
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
don't you have to go to school tomorrow or something?
>>342300728
Fixed your image for you.
>>342299682
>Implying Fallout 2 wasn't leaps and bounds better than the first.
t. Anon with bad taste
I like Fallout 4 because it has the best shooting, but goddamn if it didn't take a huge dump on literally everything else.
>Can handle Benny in a bunch of ways
>Can handle Kellogg in exactly one way
>>342317454
There is no fixing Shad's art work
>>342318350
It really was but people pretend the first was better just because it was short and sweet the first time through. Fallout 2 is way more replayable and has way more content with different ways to solve quests.
