What went wrong?
>>342285843
Nothing. It's a great game with TONS of replayability.
You couldn't git gud
>>342285843
Retards that don't know how to figure out how to play a video game
>>342285843
1. It looked like ass even for Wii U standards so it scared children away
2. The control scheme was frustrating and annoying so it scared casuals away
3. The levels were uninspired because of the forced limitations of the control scheme so it scared fans away
Nintendo managed to fuck all three of their major demographics in a single swift movement. This game is the most beautiful form of garbage that will be used as a constant reminder to anyone that tries to talk to Nintendo about a new StarFox game.
worser than 643D
>>342286946
>limits of controls
We're talking about Zero, not 64.
>>342285948
FoxMcCloud, you're the only retard that'd say that.There's a guy who calls himself this, he's a massive autist about this game
>>342285948
fpbp
This man speaks the truth. Good 50 hours of it, where 12 or so were to achieve all the medals and scores, then the rest of replays, arcade and co-op with friends.
>>342285964
>>342286586
/thread
/thread
>>342287214
643D had control options at least, not Zero, nor Command.
>>342285843
There just aren't enough levels. The Gyrowing is a piece of shit, they should've cut that and added more on rails levels.
Also, can't really defend them copy pasting so many levels, like how they used the asteriod belt twice.
Its a good game at its core, controls are solid, the game just doesn't take advantage of what it could do.
>>342285964
>>342287389
>"/thread"ing yourself
I wish summer would leave.
>>342287389
>/threading with a meme image
>people complain about Zero being too much like 64 and this image argues it had to be even more like 64 to be enjoyable
>there's only ONE level of gyrowing
>he still complains
>>342287495
The controls ARE good, though. I can't really get into 64 as much as I used to because of them. It's just too constrained.
>>342287541
4chan traffic is always normal during the summer
>>342287123
Doesn't say much since 64 is the best game in the series. Zero at least comes second and while it's disappointing that it's so much in the shadow of 64 (both storywise and qualitywise), for fans it's at least better than all the bullshit we got inbetween then and now. The issue is that there aren't very many fans of Star Fox left at this point, and the game did nothing that could attract a new audience.
>>342287541
It's been posted in previous threads you fuckwit.
>>342287458
Have you gone back to play 643D? After playing Zero i kinda wish the older games had gyro, pretty great once you git gud
>>342287495
The controls work fine.
>>342287668
>Doesn't say much since 64 is the best game in the series.
Zero is an ugly version of 64
at least 643D had everything, like Area fucking 6 and multiplayer
>>342285948
>>342285964
>>342286586
>>342287597
>>342287541
Well...that was quick.
>>342285843
It was too star fox for the masses and the new control scheme scared people who were afraid to try a new control scheme.
>>342287894
Yeah, everyone pretty neatly wrapped up why the game is fine and haters are full of shit, as /v/ often is.
>>342287728
>Have you gone back to play 643D?
yeah, i still prefer proper controls. not gyro shit.
Uprising touch screen controls didn't convince me that Command's controls are okay either
shitpost about it all you want Zero is still the best game in the series since 64 and blows Adventures, Assault and Command out of the fucking water in terms of gameplay quality
>>342287985
>>342287842
I don't exactly get what you mean, my post agrees with the notion that Zero is worse than 64. I wasn't making any distinction between 64 and 64 3D if that's what it looked like. 3D is better even on the remade graphics alone.
>>342288004
So you refused to get used to these control schemes even though they provide more accuracy and better response times than regular analog and face buttons.
Dude, it's literally a matter of learning something new in five minutes. Or do you honestly just want some instant gratification game that will award you just for pressing the jump button?
>>342288075
Spotted the buyers remorse fag
Miyamoto shoved the gamepad down people's throats. I get where he's coming from, he want people to try it out, but when you force it people will like it even less. They should've allowed more controller options, like the wii remote and the pro controller.
>>342287668
>The issue is that there aren't very many fans of Star Fox left at this point
No, there are plenty of those. It's just that none of them bought this piece of shit because they knew from the first reveal how bad it was going to be. The real Star Fox fans are waiting for the series to move forward instead of retreading 64 for the umpteenth time.
The only people actually defending this game are diehard Nintendo apologists and SF64 purists who essentially only want level packs for the same game we've already played to death. I bet if Nintendo released more missions for Zero via DLC you'd see a bunch can of threads about how the game was "fixed" despite its myriad of other problems.
>>342288296
Not him, but the buyer's remorse I have is entirely on Adventures and Command (haven't bought Assault so I don't know if I'd like it). Well, maybe not so much Adventures but that's because I was younger and it was technically just the third Star Fox game (second for me since I didn't own the SNES original) so I didn't really have set expectations on how the series should be like.
>Play first 3-4 stages.
Shit nigga this is fun as fu-
>That gyrocopter Zoness level.
Whoever thought that should have been in the game needs to be kicked in the nuts.
Overall it was pretty fun, though, I really liked having the ability to gyro aim and maneuver independently. There's just absolute fuck-all for worthwhile unlockables, and most people don't give a shit about collecting medals.Star Fox Guard is more fun than Zero so far.
The one thing that pisses me off about this game is how good things like the dog fights are but the constant decision to implement awful fucking platform controls and stealth levels.
This had potential to be a GREAT title but instead it gathers dust underneath my couch.
Fuck star fox zero. Its so insulting because it has the potential to be good but decided not to be.
>>342288269
and you wonder why their isn't a lot of people haven't hop on Zero
they're trying to sell a fucking game here, Miyamoto, let people have to option to play the game normally. even Splatoon has it.
>>342288296
Nah I've gotten plenty of play time out of it, enjoyed it a lot and will probably play it more in the future just like I replay 64 and 643D pretty often.
>>342288004
The only people who can't git gud at the gyro controls are the same people who can't parallel park. i.e. women and nu males
>>342288472
I hope that's the truth about the series having plenty of fans still. I personally think there'll need to be many new fans drawn in for future games to truly be successful (which can be done by adding content with wider appeal), but I guess we'll see.
>>342288576
The dog fights are the best in the series.
>>342288729
Listen annon. You can cry about casuals and how other people need to git gud, but that doesn't change the fact that the game sold like shit because people generally didn't like the controls.
You have to live with that and git gud at accepting the truth.
>that dissonance when a game you love is shit on by everyone else to the point that fucking image macros are made about it
>>342287389
>>342287770
Who the fuck makes this shit?
>>342288472
>The real Star Fox fans are the people who like Adventures, Assault, and Command
Fuck off already, you guys were always a vocal minority no one likes your shit games more than the traditional Star Fox games.
>>342287389
>entire Andross fight is chicken walker
>this is literally untrue
>for some reason he keeps spamming this image
okay
>>342288269
Except thats bullshit and you know it.
>Unlike Splatoon, it's not accurate, 3rd persons accuracy is deliberately made to be shit
>Using first person though makes it more accurate, puts you in a huge disadvantage
>The gyro somehow has to be calibrated more frequently due to this
>Aonuma confirmed the gamepad is shit, as you could see how Zeros dual screen mechanic proves his point on looking at your gps on yor lap would cause a car accident
>>342288856
The general public has absolute dog shit for taste, I've known this for a while. It doesn't affect my enjoyment of Star Fox Zero
>>342288509
>>342288075
>Zero is still the best game in the series since 64 and blows....Assault....but of the fucking water in terms of gameplay quality
>(haven't bought Assault so I don't know if I'd like it)
nice shitpost fag
>>342288932
>>entire Andross fight is chicken walker
>>this is literally untrue
>Being forced out for a few seconds of spam somersault to not die somehow means its not true
>>342288472
>The real Star Fox fan
Shut the fuck up
>>342289048
two different people retard, he even said that
>>342289020
This is true, but it will kill any prospect for a sequel.
>>342288631
Playing devil's advocate here, but I suspect most of the reason why the Gamepad doesn't do anything in BotW is simply because the Wii U can't run the game at the fidelity they wanted with something else being constantly streamed to/displayed on the Gamepad. It's the same reason why Tropical Freeze is like that too and it's not like people complained about the Gamepad utilization in WWHD/TPHD (it was praised actually). Not saying that Aonuma isn't right about it potentially disrupting gameplay, but just having the map or item selection on it isn't anything like what Star Fox Zero does.
>THE CONTROLS ARE GREAT YOU'RE JUST A CASUAL
No. Getting used to bad controls doesn't make you hardcore, it makes you a masochist.
if the next Punch-Out game had to be controlled standing on your head looking away from the TV using mirrors taped to your knees to look at the screen and only using your nose and tongue to use the controller, that's not good controls that are hard to get used to, it's just retarded.
>>342288828
which is why the lack of online multiplayer of any kind is something that just kills me.
>>342289243
>le ebin hyperbole face :^)
>>342289243
The controls aren't even that difficult though. Why do you think they're so hard? You can set it to where taking your finger off the fire button resets the target reticle. You shouldn't even use the gyro most of the time, its only there for that 10% of time when you need precise aiming. You shouldn't be flailing your arms around like a retard while playing.
>>342289048
I didn't write >>342288075
>>342288075
Nigger assault was fun on a goddamn bun and way better then this shit.
>>342288729
>I replay 64 and 643D pretty often.
You're that manchild that constantly posts your scores and other dumb shit about the game nobody cares about, aren't you?
>>342289496
No I don't do that.
>>342287915
This really.
Control scene grew on me eventually, my main problem was how the level structure was set up and that bird boss is a shit.
>>342289386
when are you NOT shooting in this fucking game? That option is completely worthless.
And the gyro aiming just sucks. It just fucking sucks. I said it with Skyward Sword and I'll say it here: If your control scheme requires its own dedicated recalibration button, scrap the entire fucking game.
I got used to the controls rather quickly and enjoyed playing most of the vehicles. For me the far greater sins were having jack shit for unlockables, that joke of a multiplayer mode and forcing audio through the gamepad.
>>342288906
>Who the fuck makes this shit?
someone who played Zero
what? you're gonna assume some retard made the Other M infograph too? it's already a known fact that game had shit controls and no-nunchucks because Sakamoto wanted to try appease the nostalgic Metroid fans. (which he reported back saying it failed to.)
oh boy it's clearly those evil nu-male SJWs shitting on Zero!
>>342289458
Assault was trash, it had like 3 on-rails levels.
>b-b-but the multiplayer!!!
no one plays Star Fox for multiplayer, if you want good multiplayer play a different game, its like playing SA2 for the Chao garden
>>342289593
Do you not play Splatoon?
>>342289458
Spotted the AssaultbabbyAssault was my first Starfox, 64 and Zero are just better
>>342289075
Its a pretty big portion of the game fight. And you literally have to fight Star Wolf right before Andross anyway and the last section of the Andross fight is in the arwing, not chicken walker, even if it is pretty short.
Literally just having the OPTION to use a normal control scheme would fixed most of it.
But then they made it so that boss fights would be basically impossible without the scheme it has.
>>342289557
I can only hope not, only one fucker does this, and he's a collosal autist about his opinions, enough that he'll delete and block you if you disagree with him.He's not hard to miss, he calls himself FoxMcCloud
>>342289658
Well I liked Zero and you're not gonna change my mind
Sorry big bad Shiggy molested your testicles
>>342289827
>delete and block you
Have you forgotten we're on 4chan?
Nintendo made a video game
>>342289687
Splatoon's gyro worked completely differently than SF0's and it worked much better.
Even then I preferred playing with just the sticks.
>>342289651
>I got used to the controls rather quickly and enjoyed playing most of the vehicles. For me the far greater sins were having jack shit for unlockables, that joke of a multiplayer mode
Results of rushed development cycle. They should've at least had Guard as a mode in Zero and heavily tied with it in terms of unlocking things rather than as a separate game or just delayed it yet again for a couple months in order to add a real expert mode. Won't mention things like making more stages because that'd obviously be too much for a short delay.
>>342289842
that's fine
already knowing not many bought 643D and Command, Zero won't have that many attached to it either.
>>342290118
I don't need a sequel to Zero, if that's what you're inferring
SF0 is a legitimate 3/10 shit game, and that's me adding a point because it came with a much better game.
>>342285843
When miyamoto called the game a cinematic experience last year, I immediately lost interest. Not even a delay could fix this shitty game, and it only proves that Miyamoto has lost it. But of course the nintendrones and miyamotodrones will defend it, even though you can buy the 3DS remake for 20$ cheaper and with optional motion controls. there's no need to rehash an overrated meme game everyone is sick and tired of, and the sales of this game speak for itself. N64 nostalgiafags and Miyamoto have killed this series, and unless someone else competent can fix this mess of a franchise, it will stay dead
>>342289842
>Defending Shiggy
>When Aonuma blew his ass right the fuck out with BotW saying the gamepad gimmick is shit
>Rumor is Aonuma got complete control of Zelda, and Shiggy ruined Star Fox Zero with his gimmicky shit because he couldnt force it on ZeldaHe was responsible for Skyshit Swords shitty motion controls
>>342289709
>Assaultbaby
I played the SNES one first.
>>342289687
>no one plays Star Fox for multiplayer
Are you kidding me? That was me and my friends shit back in the day
>>342290043
To be fair, Guard was included in the $60 version and had like 100 stages of its own, plus outright forcing people to go through both the gyrocopter AND Slippy-infested camera defense stages in the main game probably would have pissed people off more than having them separate.
>>342290269
Miyamoto created Star Fox and Miyamoto taketh it away. Maybe Sakurai can get on it next and give it the Kid Icarus Uprising treatment.
>>342290234
>a much better game
Guard is fucking shit, Luigi. Where did this retarded contrarianism come from?
>>342290280
Funny you praise Aonuma, because for the past five years Malstrom and his cronies have touted him as the cancer killing Zelda, but now it's apparently Shiggy's fault because it's cool to hate him now
>>342289687
>no one plays Star Fox for multiplayer,
Then explain why everyone complained Zero lacked it?
>>342288472
No fuck that, I want EXACTLY SF64 again, or at least something like Starfox 2. That's the problem, they don't know how to make that. Every time they fuck it up by trying something different.
>>342289942
not him, buy mii/v/erse shitters always lurk on /v/ daily
like autist crying "pretendo" and reposting pics and arguments in Sticker Star/#FE/MP:FF threads
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Zero sold badly and Star Fox is dead. The end.
>>342290269
Go back to Tumblr, I know who you are
>>342285843
>motion controls on a game where you have only ever had stick
>motion controls dont really add anything and actually just make the game harder to play
>those spy missions that were basically watered-down Sly Cooper
The game wasnt BAD, but it's not something that I'm going to be rushing home to play again.
>>342290226
Zero is Shiggy's last chance to revive Star Fox
and he even told people to buy at least 643D so he can put Star Fox Wii into process.
>>342290434
Guard has sensible controls that aren't uncomfortable and terrible and it actually plays like a video game.
>>342290383
Nah, I meant having Guard as its own separate mode inside Zero, not putting it in the main game. Would've at least given the impression of better value to the average gamer who goes by reviews since Guard would've been talked about in Zero reviews and influenced the score instead of having separate reviews.
>>342289687
>no one plays Star Fox for multiplayer
Because no other Star Fox game has good multiplayer. 64's was tediously boring and Command's was broken. And of course Zero has none.
>SA2 for the Chao garden
I'm confused, are you making a point for or against Assault?
>>342290608
>and it actually plays like a video game
A shit game
Direct-i is worser and more useless than fucking annoying ass Tricky
you don't even need him to fucking hack the computer or the Gigarilla.
kek or zozzle?
>>342285843
No Krystal.
>>342290551
>>342290594
JUST
>>342290775
furfag lel xDDDD
>>342290594
I honestly do not need any more Starfox games
64 and Zero are plenty for me
>>342287985
Haters or not, the game isn't doing great sales wise. I personally had fun with It, I think It's fine. I just don't see why so many people defend this game with such enthusiasm.
>>342289243
>Getting used to bad controls
The problem is that the controls aren't bad at all, they take like five minutes tops to learn the basics and fly through the stages with no issues.
This is literally you going
>NO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME BECAUSE I WANT A COMPLETE AND UTTER REHASH
>>342290434
I cant say i'm praising him, but you gotta think, how do you think BotW would've turned out if it was fully directed by Miyamoto? He's my guess;
>A shitty reimagining of the very first game that it makes the what-if modern take of the nes Zelda image a reality
>A retarded short documentary of how him going in a cave inspired it
Aonuma at least admitted he was going for what seems to be working very well, and honestly BotW looks interesting.
>>342290749
At least you only use it like five times in the game in the span of ten minutes (in two consecutive levels), Tricky followed you around the whole game.
>>342290980
I played this game for 2 hours and never got even close to used to the controls, tried it on both the control settings, even tried playing the game in co-op mode and only using the Pro Controller so that it would actually be like classic Star Fox.
As much as I absolutely despised the ground controls in Kid Icarus Uprising, this is honestly much worse.
>>342287389
>says the writing is worse than commands, but gives no example as to how
>ending is somehow worse than N64, doesn't say why
>complaining about a fucking short that isn't even in the game and seriously using that as an example as to why its a bad game
>bitches about Andross fight using chicken walker mode, but then says all bosses are all-range mode
>complains about all stages being the same as N64, but then complains about gyrowing having its own stage
Whoever made this is such an unbelievable faggot
>>342285843
>railshooter
>2016
>full price
>shit graphics and artstyle
>awful voice acting
>forced motion controls
>the gyrowing
>chickenwalker feels uninspired
>too little content
>no online multiplayer
>censored death reference and sexual innuendo
>new game+ content is worthless
>memes
>cringy puppet commercials
I'm glad this game bombed, since Miyamoto's been out of touch so long. there is literally no excuse to defend the shit he does anymore.
>>342287985
>haters
cancer detected
>original game
>1 stick 1 screen
>flawless and fun
>new game
>2 sticks 2 screens and gyro
>unplayable dogshit
simple science they put too much shit in
>>342290954
>I just don't see why so many people defend this game with such enthusiasm
It's called dissonance.
You like something, then see other people vehemently shit on it. It bothers you because you literally can't fathom why Thing-You-Like is apparently bad, so you feel the need to show why there's nothing wrong with liking it.
>>342291045
>A retarded short documentary of how him going in a cave inspired it
This complaint again? All he said was that a TV show inspired Starfox, I don't know why you guys constantly point and laugh at him for giving his inspiration proper credit, like what's the big fucking sin here?
>>342290749
>Autists claimed your teammates had deep roles
>They're fucking useless in Zero and are merely there to say dumb shit to you, mostly about the goddamn motion controls
>Even your dead father tells you this over trusting your instincts
>>342291152
>I played this game for 2 hours and never got even close to used to the controls
Did it ever occur to you that you might be bad at video games?
I mean seriously this is simple hand/eye coordination shit. You should have gotten this down in an instant. Hell, Splatoon is more "awkward" to learn because of the freedom you have, Star Fox is literally a rail shooter where you have to point and fire.
>>342291206
>it's another "let's treat a guy like a deluded mental patient because he makes things he likes" post
>>342291481
Sin and Punishment 2 is in the same genre and has infinitely more intuitive controls.
>>342291123
exactly, fucking useless
at least he grew up to be a self-reliant prince, Direct-i looks like he's a staple scrappy-doo to Star Fox Zero if it continues on.
god forbid if they fuck up Assault next
>>342291630
And how does that change the fact that you found difficulty attempting to something incredibly simple?
>>342291630
now only more people bought it...
>>342291425
I remember James telling Fox to trust his instincts during the illusion corridor run before Andross. Yeah, maybe it's less impactful than saying it while running away from Andross/the collapsing base at the end, but I'm at least happy they changed things up a little bit in terms of story/dialogue beats.
>>342291684
Assault was already fucked to begin with.
>Nintendo will never get its shit together in your lifetime
>The NX will be an underpowered console likely using the same processor as the Wii U, and will only build upon the negative aspects of the Wii U and none of the positives
>We're not getting another Splatoon
>We're not getting another Starfox game
>We're not getting another F-Zero
>Online will always be a mess
>Voice chat will always be considered a luxury beyond the scope of a Nintendo game
>Nintendo will probably start charging for online
>Mario Party will never have online modes
>Mario Kart 9 will probably only have motion controls
>Game levels and weapons will be hidden behind an Amiibo paywall and this time it wont just be aesthetic
>>342291481
Splatoon only required me to look at one screen and also gave an option to use traditional controls.
>>342291885
naw
>playing Kirby: Planet Robobot
>get to the final sequence withHalberd Mode Robobot Armor vs. Star Dream
>mfw Planet Robobot wound up being a better Star Fox game than SFZ
>>342291912
nigga we're getting another Splatoon, they spent millions of dollars marketing it and it sold millions of copies.
The levels are for the most part unteresting garbage that keep trying to deviate from the main shotting gameplay. All Range Mode levels are unnecessary larger than before (and as a result most of the "fun" is travelling through them instead of shooting shit), the chicken and gyrowing sections are complete disaster. (gyrowing even more so because the development team was so ashamed of it it gives the walker a hack function so the player hopefully forgets it). Actual shooting levels are fine (Fortuna for exemple is really good) but far too sparce.
The "numerous paths" are just uninteresting, sometimes rehashed bosses with a timer with the only difficulty trying to not fall asleep trying to go through the braindead patterns over and over. Only exception to that is Area 3, but the game does absolutely nothing with it. No actual new path to discover, no real final boss either.
The dialogs were most of the part ok with sprinkles of complete garbage like Peppy yelling barrel roll, James' "trust the gamepad view fox" or the hamfisted try at "moral ambiguity" here and there.
The dual screen scheme is completely unintuitive, sometimes arbitrary forced on you (like the bosses with forced camera angle). Gyro controls are most of the time fine, but the hilarious uninspired enemy design rarely makes use of the new angle to aim.
All in all, the replay value is far worse than in 64 who had far better levels and actually focused on the shooting. Zero's replay value is simply farming for medals where half the levels are shit.
Thankfully it bombed and the series is dead so we don't have to bother with these kind of half-assed revivals anymore.
>>342292072
Oh look, another meme post!
>>342291912
Here's your (you)
>>342290170
>>342289335
talk about childish
this isn't fucking miiverse
>>342291971
>Splatoon only required me to look at one screen
Two actually, you had to pay attention to what was being inked on the lower screen not to mention it's used for super jumps too.
>and also gave an option to use traditional controls
That made a complete sitting duck and were rarely used. I hope you didn't use this control scheme.
Honestly out of the whole debacle I feel really bad for Kamiya. he always wanted to make a Starfox game, and now he never fucking will because Shiggy killed the franchise.
I would be surprised to see a new Star Fox game in the next 20 years.
Nintendo sent out review copies to American bloggers.
>>342292151
Nigga, one of the anti-zero fags here LITERALLY mistook this thread for Miiverse
>>342291187
>>says the writing is worse than commands, but gives no example as to how
Fox knowing about the prtals at the very beginning somehow when he doesnt know about them until later
>>ending is somehow worse than N64, doesn't say why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daJrmkWFUS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scztIQwAcWU
If you're that retarded: shittier execution
>>complaining about a fucking short that isn't even in the game and seriously using that as an example as to why its a bad game
Why even make a short that happens before the game when its not connected to it? That's like saying the Day of Sigma isnt tied to MMX Maverick Hunter Xs plot, and that also happens before the game
>>bitches about Andross fight using chicken walker mode, but then says all bosses are all-range mode
They're all shit, everyone even wonders why every boss is in all range mode
>>complains about all stages being the same as N64, but then complains about gyrowing having its own stage
Nothing in the image said that, but everyone has complained about Zoness being the worst
>>342292305
No need to be so upset nobody bought your garbage, Shigeru.
>>342292256
>not knowing about Preautist
>>342290437
shitposters
>>342292431
>people will make celebration threads when Shiggy dies
Fuck /v/
>>342292442
Who?
Nintendo didn't care that's what went wrong op.
Unless you are mario, zelda or a ip with a dedicated dev team like pokemon, kirby and fire emblem you are literally nothing more than second rate garbage to used as nothing more than filler.
If you're lucky nintendo will outsource you to Retro, if not you are outsource to a third party developer who's too busy working on their own games to give the necessary polish to make the contract nintendo game worth a damn.
I mean if they were going to rehash a Star fox game could they have at least done Starfox Command so it could actually had a chance to be decent instead of shit?
>>342292206
Kamiya was busy with Scalebound anyway. Hashimoto cucked him out of actually making a Star Fox game.
>>342292117
How is it a meme post?
In a single boss battle, this 3DS game made using tons of re-used assets from a 2014 game (which itself probably re-used assets from a 2011 game) that was announced like a month before it came out provided an on-rail shooting experience that was genuinely more fun and exciting than anything that SFZ presented.
I say this as someone who bought, completed, and still owns SFZ. It was fine, and stages like Sector Omega were fucking cool, but it was ultimately an underwhelming experience, primarily because it decided to place an emphasis on all-range mode sections instead of really tight rail shooting fun.
>>342292610
and Scalebound looks terrible.
>>342292664
One level is not an entire game, it was not THAT good
>>342292759
Not him but it was fucking great, but it wasn't a good Star Fox at all.
>>342292759
being not that good is much better than being absolute shit like Star Fox Zero.
>>342292072
Star Dream is kind of overrated, far too easy to be actually enjoyable.
Star Dream Soul OS, however, shits on the entirety of SFZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_LFb2FT5zc
>>342292117
>Kirby Robobot outsold Zero in Japan in less than a month
>Zero did so bad in Japan it got fucked harder by Bullet Girls 2
>>342285948
>This idiot actually believes that
>>342285948
This.
Star Fox Zero is fine.
>>342292759
>it was not THAT good
That's subjective. The build-up to the sequence, the execution, the mechanics involved, and the resolution were all 10/10. Simple, but perfectly executed.
Compare the ending of SFZ, which is an awesome dogfight with Star Wolf, the corridor of illusion, which is neat, and then a horribly fucking annoying boss fight with Andross that basically requires you to use the clunky ass walker.
>>342292519
fag who repost miiverse screencaps, spouting lies about people enjoying Color Splash, and constantly call anyone a pretendo (some stupid ass quote Shokio said) who doesn't defend Zero, #FE, MPFF, or Color Splash.
have a sample of his shitposts:
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/Star%20Fox/image/P9xC0qObj3mTIWxtYITmow/
>>342292924
Nah, Soul OS was still too easy seeing as it gives you a fuck ton of opportunities to charge up the stars to max or near max.
The greatness of it pretty much comes from the fact you're piloting the Halberd in a really beautiful environment for the 3DS.
>>342293183
>all 10/10. Simple, but perfectly executed.
Frankly, I disagree. It's generic as fuck and really speaks to the "Kirby > Starfox" fags' mindset
>>342293218
>constantly call anyone a pretendo (some stupid ass quote Shokio said)
wasn't he in that FeddieForce thread shitting on him?
>>342288472
Lack of content is zero's biggest problem tho, if this game was like $30 max, nobody would be bitching.
>>342293219
It wasn't that much of a problem, in fact I think it was mostly balanced by the boss' health. The patterns still kept you a whole lot busier than usual and the boss never backed down on it, on top of keeping said patterns constant and diversified. It's far better than anything Zero has produced.
>>342293183
>>342293219
I liked the ballerina compass. That whole part felt like Out of this Dimension (from SNES Star Fox) 2.0.
>>342293061
epic
>>342293901
Epic
>>342285843
>innovation just for the sake of it
>not innovating within the franchise itself
If this was just Ace Combat: Space Furries and had a heavier focus on dogfights and mercenary teams it would probably be received better.
>>342293450
>All your unlocks are useless as >>342287770 shows
>Thanks to the Fox and Falco Amiibo, Youtube, and the game giving it to you if you die enough, three of those unlocks are worthless
>Anons a year ago warned about Zero not doing well at all
>They ended up being right in the end
>>342293298
Fuck off anon, this coming from someone who liked both SFZ and Robobot.
Robobot has a stellar build up especially if you read the short summary of the character in the pause menu, however the mechanics of the battle and the actual battle were eh, both the regular and Soul variants weren't very spectacular mostly because they both gave you hundreds of obvious outs to survive what was being thrown at you that said it didn't let up in the visual department and everything felt like it had an impact especially when youslowly reveal the galactic nova.
The ending was straight out of Gurren Lagann and I have no qualms with that, the True arena doesn't end there and mirrors the star ship part in Super Star while you're inside Nova but if you go in with UFO it completely breaks the game
Star Fox on the other hand felt more difficult especially with the solo Wolf battle, but that was about it visuals were pretty decent for a rail shooter but the climax wasn't good at all because they just explained the portals and sent Fox on his way.Of course confirming James was alive is something still.
>>342291305
>It bothers you because you literally can't fathom why Thing-You-Like is apparently bad, so you feel the need to show why there's nothing wrong with liking it.
Not really, I see people hating on Overwatch all the time and I don't give a fuck.
It's actually called rationalization. You spent 60 bucks on a piece of shit game and you're just trying to justify your purchase by defending it.
>>342294541
>>342291305
Why can't it be both?
>>342294541
But it's not shit if I'm enjoying it
Or rather, its shitness is irrelevant outside of internet e-peen
>>342294137
What was the point of this post?
Yea the unlockables were shit, but if the game came out of the box with $60 worth of content or was cheaper, people wouldn't be shitting on it as hard.
>>342285843
Aonuma put it perfectly.
If you have your GPS in your lap, you're going to crash whilst driving.
Just replace GPS with cockpit view and you have Star Fox Zero.
>>342294239
>there will never be a Star Fox game made with the same care about the world and characters as Solatorobo
>there will never be a Solatorobo sequel/another game in the Little Tail Bronx series that's not mobage shit either
JUST.
>>342295035
>more dev wars
>>342292759
There was not one boss encounter (including starwolf) that was better than the star dream encounter in planet robobot.
Kirby out performed Starfox at it's own genre.
>>342294063
>heavier focus on dogfights
This is pretty much all I ever wanted out of the StarFox series.
>>342295149
Frankly, I disagree
>>342293450
This.
>>342295035
>GPS is somehow equal to a cockpit you don't have to use
Makes sense.
>>342291187
>>says the writing is worse than commands, but gives no example as to how
it's talking about the consistency
and stuff like fanfiction is know to have a ton of inconsistency, like how Fox knowing about the portals and Andross somewhat seeing James' ghost.
not to mention the plotholes, what ever happen to "clearly evil Pepper, dindu nuffin Andross"? why did Andross turn into the SF1 polygon manifestation? why is he seen in a body in the music gallery's model viewer? Command actually at least shown that Andross did bio-experiments to help Corneria and clearing Venom's poisonous waters.
>>342295149
Dude, the fact that Kirby had an auto lock on makes it worse. Seriously, it was good by Kirby standards but the mechanics weren't particularly great by any starfox standard.
It was visually better however.
>>342295361
>Command actually at least shown that Andross did bio-experiments to help Corneria and clearing Venom's poisonous waters.
Command also had things like ROB and the Great Fox suddenly being with Star Wolf whenever focus shifted over to them.
>>342285843
It was made by modern Nintendo which is still under the philosophy that it's gimmicks that sell games not content because of that one time in the mid 00's when a gimmick made their console the best selling console of the gen and fifth best selling console of all time.
>>342294728
Nah it's full garbage.
Retarded and unnecessary "waggle" controllers that are forced and shoved down your throat which makes arcade mode complete shit.
Want to experience good ol' star fox? lol just play SF64. Reminds me when Microsoft said fuck you, stick to the 360 instead. Good move there.
Game is extremely short and offers less content than fucking SF64.
Level design is boring and pretty much the same shit all over and over.
But hey, if you suffer from sever autism you might be able to enjoy it.
>>342295361
>like how Fox knowing about the portals
He doesn't. There's a difference between knowing OF them and knowing about them.
>Andross somewhat seeing James' ghost.That's because James wasn't dead you idiot.
> what ever happen to "clearly evil Pepper, dindu nuffin Andross"
I hope you aren't trying to connect two different canons here.
>why did Andross turn into the SF1 polygon manifestation?
That's probably just sequel bait.
>why is he seen in a body in the music gallery's model viewer?
>why does this one thing that has nothing to do with the story of the game have something to do with the story of the game?
>>342295769
Literally none of that bothered me
I can't help what I like, so don't try to change me as a human being
>>342295769
>Level design is boring and pretty much the same shit all over and over.
Not him but that's a rail shooter for you.
>>342285843
Miyamoto, Platinum Games and releasing a niche brand this late into a long dead systems life.
>>342295751
>Mario
>Kirby
>Fire Emblem
>Zelda ALBW/BotW
>Pikmin (by Miyamoto himself no less)
They don't always adhere to that. Star Fox Zero just did because Miyamoto was uninterested in making another Star Fox game unless he could experiment with vehicles and controls.
>>342295851
>I hope you aren't trying to connect two different canons here.
it's literally built up since Miyamoto commented how Pepper was in the grey light like Andross.
they even claimed about the anime giving you hints on what's up coming up after the first level and beating Androssa of Zero.
>>342295286
Except you do need the fucking cockpit view.
Without it your fire can be wildly inaccurate because the crosshair on the TV is fucking useless.
>>342296138
It was for the better of the series too. The biggest issue was that the game is too fucking short and low on content to make the difficulty curve worth your time.
For once a Star Fox games has fucking good dogfights, WHICH IT SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS HAD.
>>342295851
>>342295361
andross was seen in a body in the main game actually
right where a hologram surfaced after Pepper teleported to Venom
>>342285843
rail-shooters are niche and don't sell in 2016. Nintendo proabbly made this game just to shut the nostalgia retards up, but ended up pleasing nobody. Also, the Star Fox fanbase is as split as Zelda's is with n64fags and gamecubefags, so you can't please everyone. And I'm sure nobody wanted forced motion controls. It was doomed the moment it was revealed
>>342295995
Congratulations, you passed the autism test. You have autism.
>>342296623
I agree. It's crazy to think that a game like Kid Icarus Uprising has twice the amount of shooting stages as this game (and generally of similar lenght) without even getting into the ground gameplay.
>>342296989
If having autism and liking Zero is wrong, I don't want to be right
>>342295065
>Solatorobo despite not doing so well obtained a following
>Enough that a bunch of Merch was made of the Little Tail Bronx series, and is still available
>Star Fox has next to no merch
The only good thing about Zero is that it doesn't have that shitty ass character Krystal, but it's also a bad thing because Zero is a bad game deserving of such a shit character.
>>342295851
>That's because James wasn't dead you idiot.
nigger he and his ship was seen destroyed in the beginning of the intro. and Fox still viewed him as if it was a spirit guiding him to Andross pre-fight.
and this fucking quote Zero Andross said:
>"Opposing me is truly a death sentence"
>"Just ask your father"
>"Eh? Ohohohoho.."
>>342298586
>but it's also a bad thing because Zero is a bad game deserving of such a shit character.
it's good because autists won't have their little scapegoat to blame anymore.
also caught one fag saying Zero is shit because Miyamoto said he's saving the other demanded Star Fox girls for much later post-Zero.
>>342298906
>because Miyamoto said he's saving the other demanded Star Fox girls for much later post-Zero.
uh...source?
>>342299025
if you weren't listening to that twitterfag Dr. Cupcakes (aka Tamaki/Liam Robertson) few weeks later before the interview, you've should've known already.
https://youtu.be/WT9vXXgGcsA?t=286 (on Krystal returning)
https://youtu.be/WT9vXXgGcsA?t=471 (on Metal Legs)
Not much new content
A minimum of cool new missions with some old missions even being taken out
Not enough Star Wolf
Where's the big Brain?
No Multiplayer
No Alt Controls so your forced with the shitty gimmick
Miyamoto
>>342298586
Krystal wouldn't save shitty Zero anyways other than having more people defending the game.
>>342299376
reminder that Zero took out the Forever Train (Macbeth) in favor for some boring ass desert planet mission in Zero.
>>342299350
he looks like a fucking faggot
caught him on exhentai once (Liam64) and claiming he isn't Liam Robertson himself. he gotten a ton of dislikes there.
>>342299598
You mean they finallyhit the brakes?
>>342285843
>fanboys can't blame Krystal for this one being shit
>>342299797
>50+ HITS has been deposited into your Cornerian Defense Force account
could you imagine how much of a backlash people would throw at Bamco if they force shitty gyro controls on Ace Combat players?
at least Sakamoto knows people didn't like Other M controls over just playing Super Metroid instead.
>>342285843
Star Fox fucking sucks and was never good so expecting a good game out of a garbage series was your mistake.
>>342300016
>>342299445
In this case, it was good those after the Lylat war story didnt show up, because now they can laugh at those who blamed them for so long after Zero proving they didnt ruin anything.
>>342301149
t. the five people that bought Sin & Punishment
Post cute Star Fox girls
>>342300016
Now we can blame Miyamoto when it was his fault Krystal even came to be.
>>342301702
>Japan produced ZERO fanart iof Star Fox Zero
>meanwhile, a jap recently did a niconico video based on a Star Fox Assault/64 and a Full Metal Alchemist intro
https://e621.net/post/show/923870/2010-aircraft-airplane-amphibian-andrew_oikonny-an
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9324518
defend this Zerofags
>>342302347
>FMA Intro
>Not Cowboy Bebop Intro
Into the trash
>>342302347
>yfw Fox in Space is gonna out-view the Zero anime short in a few weeks
How did Fox know about the portal in the Area 3 colony if Andross hadn't attacked it yet?
>>342302919
Why is that big planet there but not on the map?
Is that supposed to be the Independence Day planet?
>>342303083
I honestly have no idea what planet it was supposed to be. ROB just comments that its far away.
>>342303162
That massive fucking planet is far away?
>>342302347
>>342302643
>Not even Space Dandy intro
Nah you know what Japan? Fuck you.
Take your shitty fanmade intro and go.
>>342285843
Nobody actually wanted a new starfox game.
>>342303679
Did japan like Space Dandy?
>tfw everything I love dies or leaves me
>tfw husbando will probably never be in another game
>>342302347
>Nintendo disallows people doing any form of fan games and videos, monetized or publicly advertising a certain Nintendo merch FOR FUCKING FREE.
>but gave an okay to niconico users to monetize fan art and fan animations for sake of contest and it's prizes.
i mean it's good faggots like PewdiePie or AlvinJewworm are getting fucked over, but this kind of nipponese hubris is extra appalling.
>>342303679
Space Dandy was shit
>>342303786
Why do you care what Japan thinks or likes?
>>342303765
>Nobody actually wanted a new starfox game.
uh yeah they've did and nobody asked for another redo of SF1 either
>>342303765
No, people wanted a star fox game with gameplay similar to the original with a new story and interesting levels
Nintendo took this and though they meant "star for 64 HD with shitty controls and gimmicks"
64 fags defend the horrid controls because they're so desperate for anything star fox after all the other shitty games nintendo shat out between 64 and zero that anyone who criticizes it is now an assaultfag.
>>342304203
Don't lie, People wanted SF64 again too
And they got it but cut and twisted into Zero so now nobody is happy.
>>342304056
Well if they didn't like Space Dandy I guess that's why they wouldn't make a video with its music
Casuals.
I've been very vocal about this before, but a lot of the 'hardcore gamers' today mostly care about how cool a game is rather than whether or not it's right for them.
Star Fox Zero is a great game.
Star Fox has and always will be one of my favorite game series. 1 and 2 were glorious, 64 was excellent, adventures....acceptable but it's more of a zelda clone than it is a star fox game, command was alright if you compare it to other ds games although you really only played the game to get the ''deviantart tiered'' endings.
And then we have Zero. Zero made me feel like I was cheated out of a Star Fox game. What really sucks though is because of Zero, Star Fox will probably never ever get the comeback it has been needing. They had a chance and they fucking blew it. If they just listened to the fans they could've been saved.
Nintendo has been doomed for a while though, it's not just this game series that's gone to shit.
i'm honestly waiting for Nintendo to report on SFZ's sales so i can see the minuscule amount of WiiU owners that enjoys the shitty game.
miyamoto is going to blame PG over Zero failing like how he bashed Namco over Assault and GBA F-Zero devs.>you now know F-Zero Maximum Velocity on GBA outsold F-Zero GX by a million
>>342290460
>Star Fox is Nintendos Sonic
what's with all the contrarians in this thread defending the horrid controls? Is nintendo now paying people for damage control on /v/?
>>342305027
After reading that i kinda want to tear my eyeballs out so i never have to see such faggotry again
>>342304202
>>342304203
Starfox was never that popular of a series to begin with, especially in Japan. Nobody cares about it. If they'd done your suggestion and still failed you'd say that they should have done the complete opposite with their gameplay. Stop making up excuses as to why nobody cares about this series. This is why Companies listen to sales instead of customers who don't know what they want and are never satisfied.
>>342305027
hello pretendoautist, still at it again?
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/%20Completing/image/XR2Cb4uTXtEy0SXc9fCwqA/
go get help, head back to miiverse, and stop shitposting in our Paper Mario threads
Great game. I'm glad people I dislike dislike it.
>>342305027
you have to be 18 to post on this website kid
>>342292238
This.
I fucking hate your country.
>>342305705
>>342305552
>>342305452
Cute. Regardless of what you may believe, the fact that boards such as /v/, NEOgaf, YouTube, and Twitter are overrun with Pretendos, people who criticize Nintendo for their own gain, is a very serious problem in this industry.
Games are not allowed to merely be fun anymore. There is a very good reason why we, as a community, go after games for not selling well or being 'cool' enough, rather than how they actually play.
This is not what an enthusiast audience should be.
>>342305516
Star Fox was outselling every fucking Kirby game that was released since Star Fox 1 to Adventures
Star Fox WAS popular but since railshooters are fucking dead in 2016, it's not even all that anymore.
reminder that Miyamoto said he'll bring back Star Fox again if people at least buy and enjoy 643D.
now that Zero is selling worse than Command with people bashing it from left to right, he's just going to consider it as another sub-million failure like he did back 2006 and 2009.
>>342306040
Why would anyone listen to a sector of obnoxious manchildren called "gamers"?
>>342306223
Actually, I very much doubt that. All of the 'bashing' is coming from people who obviously didn't play it. Hence the constant shitting on the stellar control scheme.
WiiU - June 2015
>Look down at your screen for a another view
>It's a feature
NX - June 2016
>Tablet was a mistake
>players should not be looking away from the TV
>>342306040
>no the game should not listen to their fans they should listen to the sales
>like they did
>and they failed
>horribly
>>342306390
People shit on the controls because they're a nuisance that adds nothing to the game. It's not even about being good at it.
>>342306040
you're a real fucking autist kid
removing multiplayer (on a console full of multiplayer-oriented Nintendo games), limiting control options, and crying about a artifical boogeyman is NOT going to help the game to sell well like many years ago.
you may as well just defend Command's shitty controls over people want a comfortable contron interface.
>>342306040
i bet you're the type of fag who defends sticker star and calls anyone who hated it a fake fan
once again kid, you need to be 18 to post on this website
>>342306623
Uh huh. Sure. Keep telling yourself that, person who didn't actually play it.
There's a reason mocking people who can't figure out the controls has become a bit of a meme on Miiverse. They add a lot to the game, the fact that you can't see this proves just how much of a casual you are.
>>342306529
It's not fans who are not buying Nintendo products. It's the casual market.
