>Excellent quests with scaling so you can stay with your friends
>Focus on classes
>Hyper mobile demon hunter
>Artifacts feel terrific
>Improved transmog system
>Lots of dungeons
What went so utterly right?
I haven't read anything on the alpha/beta and I haven't watched the Q and A's because I hate internet memesters.
This expansion looks a little more promising than when it was first announced. Might actually feel like a Warcraft game again.
I don't give a rat's ass about Demon Hunters.
Are we still going to have bodyguards in Legion?
>scaling
>friends
>>342233951
Losing 5 million players in the a few months.
>>342233951
Does this expansion delete the garrison?
>>342233951
this seems so fucking similar
>Focus on classes
What classes? There's 11 nearly identical cookie cutters
>>342234558
>I haven't played legion
>The post
>tfw finally getting the urge to sub again since cata
>>342235663
don't mate wod was ultra shit legion looks even worse.
>>342235663
PTR doesn't require a sub if you want to get a feel for the classes.
>>342235663
>getting baited by the shills
good goy
>>342233951
They're making mythic dungeons accessible to casuals. Fucking dropped. Just glad they revealed their true intentions before the expansion came out so I didn't waste money on it.
>>342233951
Fuck off blizz, we're not rescrubbing.
horde or alliance for legion?
i have both on 100 and no real loyalty to either anymore
>>342233951
Sounds like a great expansion at launch just like WoD was. Hopefully the patch content will be great
>>342235891
>Not doing Mythic+
>>342234303
Mobs in Legion scale to your level. If one person's 101 and another's 105, they both do the same percentage of damage.
>>342234427
Yes. You have an order hall, but that's not even a quarter of what Garrisons were.
>>342233951
>garrison 2.0 mission table
>still collect followers to shill for you
>"world quests" are just apexis quests from the garrison, but instead of apexis it's just artifact power
>dungeon """""content""""" by adding modifiers, but its still going to be the same fucking boring dungeons in a few months
i want to like it really badly, but man blizzard has stuck their dagger in my back too many times
>yfw Legion pvp balance
Fuck off, shill
>>342235891
No sane person is going to be doing regular mythics when Mythic+ unlocks.
Just like no sane person is going to touch heroic dungeons.
>>342236364
But anon Thal'dranath will be replaced by something cooler
We are going to Argus and sheeit man
>>342236508
>yfw a bunch of gay dragon slayers will respond to this post talking shit about pvp
>>342236412
>Not doing Mythic+
That's not the point. We now have three redundantly easy tiers of difficulty (normal, heroic, mythic). Mythic+ is only accessible on a limited basis each week. Once again they are doing everything they can to make sure that shit casual players don't feel "left out", at the expense of the people who actually care about the game. Why the fuck do we need any difficulty levels beyond normal and heroic? TBC and early Cata did it absolutely perfectly. Why are they fucking with this?
>>342234506
>Solid PvP lead Brian Holinka
>World PvP island "never-ending"
>fucking everything about that post
and people will fall for it again and again
>>342236738
>blizzard will never have the old progression system of questing -> normal dungeons -> some crafting / rep gear -> progress into hcs -> progress into raiding
i miss wrath
>>342237006
>i miss wrath
Fuck off.
>progress into hcs -> progress into raiding
5-man content should not be "below" raiding. It should be equally difficult and offer near-equal rewards.
>>342236881
You can't blame the people. Marketing is so fucking good in this century you will buy the product no matter what because this is psychological warfare.
>>342237152
>5-man content should not be "below" raiding
stopped reading
>>342237006
>wrath
yeah who doesn't, faceroll heroics, threat didn't exist, you AoE'd everything, and all of raid content was cleared 3 days from launch offering only one mildly challenging fight which was nothing but a facerush gearcheck. Two BGs which were both vehicle garbage, "world-pvp" zone that lagged to hell and back and was unbalanced as shit with retarded buffs to compensate, vault of free gear so even the most retarded piece of shit gets his and to top it all off dungeon finder so that the miserable weeb who's afraid of socializing even via the internet can get a group
what a great fucking expansion. No, despite being great Ulduar didn't save it
>bunch of autistic player complains that WoW isn't fun anymore
>they reavel that they only play LFR
>/v/ autists screams about vanilla being the pinnacle of WoW
>they reveal to build spirit on Warriors because MUH REGEN and INT on hunters because MUH ONE MORE ARCANE SHOT
>the also only play LFR on retail
Wow whiners are the cancer of the game
Meanwhile I laugh as I take a huge dump on LFR shitters and PvP fags because Mythic is OP as fuck and not even fully 710 players stands a chance
>>342237439
You forgot to mention the absolute shitpile that was 3.2
>>342237439
I do agree the whole vehicle fad was atrocious
PvP was in its best place ever in wow history during wrath
Dungeons were fun and interesting (remember how you actually had to be defense capped to not get raped as a tank)
The story of wrath was objectively and literally the best of any expansion to this date
Classes were diverse and fun
Nax was great despite being rehash
Ulduar is one of the best raids ever made
ICC is still one of the best raids
Sarth 3D had some interesting choices
Onyxia for muh nostalgia
>>342237613
What the fuck is wrong with you? Did your mom try to strangle you as kid?
>>342237439
it was my experience that group finder got groups for specs that no one liked, like retstill had to wait hours for a tank though
>>342237925
I can forfeit the PvP being at its best simply because it has never been good in WoW to begin with, and Ulduar being a good raid, everything else is utter bullshit. ICC was decent but there was over a year of it
the fact alone that you think the dungeons were "fun and interesting" goes to show you were probably like 13 at the time it released and didn't understand jack shit about the game. Story was absolutely pants on head retarded and spat in the face of wc3
>>342238384
Wrath was by far my favorite expansion, for the sole reason that I play Ret and it was literally 'Ret: The Expansion'.
>>342238384
>the fact alone that you think the dungeons were "fun and interesting" goes to show you were probably like 13 at the time it released and didn't understand jack shit about the game
Or, you know, that opinions are vastly subjective.
>ICC was decent but there was over a year of it
ICC did unfortunately start a terrible blizzard trend of content draughts, i dont blame the expansion for that though.
>>342237152
>REEEE LICH KING
>A job that takes twice as many people should only receive the same collective reward as a job that doesn't
You haven't been alive long enough to post here pls leave
>>342238572
>Or, you know, that opinions are vastly subjective.
yeah and if someone says LFR is fun and interesting I'll tell him he's a retarded as well. Retarded opinions exist
>>342236508
It seems like every class is shit for PvP so it balances out.
>>342233951
>Excellent quests with scaling so you can stay with your friends
>implying those of us who play wow have friends.
>>342237152
for what purpose ?
Dungeon has and always should be an easier versions of raids. Dungeons have never been hard, it has always been focused adds management and with budget boss mechanics.
>>342237613
>and not even fully 710 players stands a chance
Because you need to be 715 to do Mythic you fucking mong. That's like making fun of people because they can't do Heroic BRF with LFR gear.
>>342234506
>>342239325
I was talking about the 710 PvP gear. My mistake on that part.
Just find it funny that people talk about not feeling that they are doing any progression when end game gear nowadays are broken as fuck compared to everything else.Like it should be.
>>342239783
>Just find it funny that people talk about not feeling that they are doing any progression
It's just the same gear with a different color scheme and slightly more stats, looks also matter. Though that's redundant now anyway since there's transmog.
>>342239783
You're talking about world pvp, right?
>>342237167
You would think it would be severely dampened after the catastrophe that was WoD. At least MoP was sort of decent which is why people fell for their shit.
>>342233951
>excellent quests
braindead easy throwing blues and purples at you again
>focus on classes
by gutting every one of them of their utility and hiding half of it back in the talent trees
>memen hunter
Im not 12
>Artifacts feel terrific
some are fire and forget 1 min CDs that feel like ass to use
>improved transmog system
not gameplay
>lots of dungeons
when did 10 become a lot? And fucking violet hold is back
>>342239895
Both yes and no, they do have the same gear for normal and HC. In mythic it's bit different. But I get your point.
>>342239949
Yes.
>>342238843
>>342239210
why did you delete this
>>342233951
>playing WoW past Burning Crusade, the literal best expansion
>>342233951
DESU the new Hunter skill sets are pretty fucking rad. As a BM main my only complaints are the loss of Cheetah and hesitation towards lack of Arcane (can you tell I'm a shitter yet?). Everything else is great, and can't wait to double arti with MM because that bow is sex.
I've never preordered an xpac before, for any game, but Legion went from meh to bought as soon as I hopped on the pre-patch PTR.
>>342233951
Do people actually believe this?
>>342239783
You do realize 710 gear scales to 740 gear in PvP, right? Not even Mythic gear scrapes it minus the ring, which only works in world pvp. If you try doing arenas or RBGs in Mythic gear, prepare to eventually meet people who know their shit and will stomp you flat in the ground.
Granted PvP "balance" with WoW always was a joke, so I'll grant you that.
>>342240279
>bragging about getting carried by the ring
lmao
>haven't played WoW in a long time, since Wrath
>Start playing in WoD again a few months ago
>Never raided before, enjoy LFR as an entryway into raiding, to get my feet wet
>More than high enough iLevel to get into normal Highmaul and BRF, know the fights
>Do a few normal raids with guildies for "Noob Nights"
>Do great
>The only time I can do actual raids and progress is on these nights which happen once-twice a month
>Try looking for other guilds who would take me in and help me start raiding frequently
Ilike LFR because it's a good stepping stone for raiding.While bad players do stay in LFR only because it's easy, the players who try to progress have trouble starting to do normal raids because groups just won't take them/give them a chance.
>>342236620
Story wise it makes sense, as turalion's army already started their invasion of argus
>>342240496
How is LFR a good stepping stone when mechanics are changed or outright fucking removed or ignored?
>>342233951
>quests
Filler content. Nobody gives a shit about the quests except that they get you to 110.
>focus on classes (?)
What does this even mean. Several classes have been demolished and rebuilt from scratch. People who enjoyed what they had in pandas and wod are going to be pissed.
>Hyper mobile X
Meanwhile, practically every other class had its mobility nerfed. Seemingly to make DH feel unique. Fuck you.
>Artifacts
AKA: Talents and a secondary leveling system that is absolutely mandatory
>transmog
Who gives a fuck. Women? RP faggots? Lovely.
>Dungeons
Who gives a fuck. Raids and PvP are what people care about. Dungeons are just filler.
>>342233951
It can only go right if the Gul'dan raid has you beating back his sorcery and then just as it looks like he's defeated he tears off his robes whips put a huge battle axe, goes "You forget! I'm not just a warlock, I am an Orc! Gul'dan CHOP!!!"
And proceed to go all Garrosh on your raid.
>>342240839
>Dungeons are just filler
Not anymore my man
>>342235820
Can't get a feel for the classes if you don't have an artifact or honor talents, which absolutely define how Legion classes will actually play.
Prepatch is going to be a retarded shitshow.
I just want a beta key. Played '06-'12 and still apply to all their betas and never got in to any of them. Fuck Blizz.
>>342240970
>mfw your spec revolves heavily around the artifact ability
send help
>>342241092
no spec exists like that
>>342240280
replied to the wrong anon but at the same time forgot to reply to the other anon like i did in my first post. So i didn't bother to make a new delete again.
>>342240391
I know, but World PvP is usually a lot more fun than BGs. Feels like there exist some kind of penalty with the death timer and the need to run back to your corpse.
>>342240396
If you progressed at the beginning of the expansion you never had access to the ring in your raids.
That is to say though, stopped playing this expansion when BRF was released because most of my guild dropped and friends stopped playing.
>>342241128
uhh, assa rogue, destro/demo lock are just a few that comes to mind
also fucking bm hunters, literally no extra pet
>>342241270
No im talking about the ring carrying you in WPvP
>>342233951
If it is anything like WoD it will be shit.
WoD was so garbage, I didn't even get the stupid legendary ring, I didn't do any of its lame dungeons or raids.
>>342240496
The ilvl system has created massive barriers for new/returning players trying to actually get into higher level gameplay. It becomes impossible to raise your ilvl past what you can get from LFR because even PUGs insist on massively outgearing whatever content they are running. I really don't understand why Blizzard has pursued this system so heavily, it is crippling the game on every level, and its only made worse by the huge increases in ilvl from tier to tier. Archimonde drops gear that is 45 ilvls higher than Blackhand - it's completely absurd and totally unnecessary.
>>342240839
>Filler content
>Dungeons are just filler.
This attitude is what killed the game.
>>342240279
>ringbaby literally creaming his panties when he uses his cooldown
It's just like I imagined.
The fun part about the upgraded ring is that if somebody has it, it means they were dumb enough to be entertained by WoD pve content for several hundred hours.
>>342241472
The item level obsession is fucking retarded. If an item is good then it's fucking good and you use it, not replace it with a 5 item levels higher item just because it ups your total a little bit.
>>342241323
>ass
pool energy every 45 seconds
>destro
dont cap on charges
>demo
hit when your WA for this gay nigger spec says you have a lot of pets
like maybe if youre retarded you struggle with any of those, but they hardly change your rotation
>>342241472
No, the barrier to entry is that they took out attunements so there's no reason to ever run old content after you finished it. Before getting into a group was easier since alts were required to run old raids to catch up so players who came in later still had a chance. A slim one since people still had retarded expectations, but a chance just the same.
>>342240943
I honestly hope you are right, because I legitimately used to enjoy 5 man content.
If Blizzard can make Dungeons a meaningful way to spend time in the game, I will be thrilled.
>>342233951
gargle my sweaty, unwashed balls, shit eater
>>342241338
I suppose that is true, but at the same time most people that do WPvP does have access to the ring too.
>>342241472
LFR gear is probably the worst gear though. if newer players wish to actually start raiding they can either try to find a guild like most people used to do,craft items and mythic dungeons.
But I suppose that is too hard and difficult for some players.
>>342241669
If you played the start of WoD you probably did it without that much thought put into it. If you are a PvE player that is.
>>342241128
Shadow priest is entirely dependent upon its artifact.
Not a very good example, because somebody would have to be literally retarded to play a priest of any type this expansion.
>>342241731
it's not that they change the roation, it's just that the raw output of the spec depends on those abilities
not having those portals for destro?
not having the scream for demo
not having the pet for bm
i know its just a pre patch, but some specs are going to be absolute fucking garbage for a month
>>342241819
This is correct, but the fact that they replaced attunements with ilvl just makes it even worse. I agree that all tiers of raid content should stay relevant throughout an expansion, but Blizzard for some reason don't want that. I guess they feel that the casuals will get bored if they aren't doing the newest, shiniest content and that's enough justification for them to completely fuck character progression.
>>342233951
>All this ability pruning and removing mechanics to appeal to normies who are joining the game after seeing the Warcraft movie
Dropped
>>342236881
>>World PvP island "never-ending"
But that came true
>>342242048
Every spec is reliant on its artifact for damage you monkey
>>342242034
again, no its not. You hit it at the end of insanity to get a bit more time in void form
The other shit is mostly just passive damage boosts like ALL of the artifacts
Why did people even hate ashran?
It was good, they clearly went for a sort of old AV resurrection, it was miles better than fucking tol barad at least. What problem do people actually have with it?
>>342241954
>try to find a guild
The only types of guild that really exist now are hardcore mythic-focused guilds who will demand combat logs and high gear levels, and joke guilds who will never accomplish anything.
>craft items
Limited to 3 equipped, plus the weapons are extremely weak. Crafted gear can't get you into a raid.
>mythic dungeons
Good luck getting into a mythic dungeon group without real raid gear. Even if you do, you can't expect to get more than 1-2 pieces of gear that are on par with normal mode raid items each week - still shit.
>>342242441
it was shit and nothing like old av you cuck
>>342242441
Yeah I don't get it either. I enjoy Ashran quite a lot. I also don't get why most people seem to think the shipyard is worse than regular garrison missions.
>>342242441
>it was good
no it wasnt
>they went for an old AV resurrection
and failed miserably
>its better than Tol barad
this is serious damage control
>what problem do people have with it
40 v 40 zerg fests arent fun, its just AoE spam and getting gangbanged if a DK picks you to death grip. The events dont actually do anything and people only bother with them because of the quest
>>342234372
to what, pray tell?
so did they remove snares and stuns and the other 5 million moves that immobilize your character?
if not, prolly won't stay subbed for PVP.
>>342242761
>wahhh why cant I just train the target to death
melee babies disgust me
>>342242873
>sm4sh tard detected
>>342235891
How is that bad, there is no difference lmao. Casuals grind lfr for a month, come to normals still get assraped, grind normals for a month, "invite me to mythic" gets assraped. Now it's just quicker, literally no change. Also why does that affect you, are you doing lfg
>>342242873
yeah because frost mages didn't just blink nova, then nova again with the pet, then all this bullshit chill and garbage, no matter what class you are, yeah that shit never happened, amirite?
>>342243215
>being kited by a mage this hard
whats it like in 1500 land?
Explain this, nerds.
>>342242441
it's mostly an AOE cluster fuck more than anything and melees are useless compared to range in that place.
Most people only play it because quests and you get conquest points almost as fast as going in Arena with somebody.
>>342243330
ret players are retards and cried when Blizzard tried to give them raid utility
>>342243271
yeah because arena is the only PVP people are allowed to do, i forgot, sorry.
>a WoW elitist
you can have your shit game bro, not gonna cock fight you over it
>>342243330
Console release
>>342242650
>it was shit
Elaborate or be dismissed faggot.
>>342242664
>40 v 40 zerg fests arent fun
They are though, have you experienced vanilla AV and raiding?
>AoE spam
You fail miserably at pvp don't you?
You disable/kill the healers or die trying.
>The events dont actually do anything and people only bother with them because of the quest
But they do, they offer substantial rewards which both factions will want and therefor, will fight over. Not to mention the AA, artifact hand ins, stampedes, frostwyrm and Gorlok.
>>342242656
I think it's just people having less fun overall looking for an explanation to fit their sentiments.
RIP Feign+Cloak+BoS durability flag-runner rogues
>>342243126
>Mythic, the mode designed for hardcore players only, is now yet another variation of "mindlessly easy"
>How is that bad
You being serious?
>>342243330
This is the exact same as Ret is right now though.
>>342237613
I did heroic HFC (which isn't that hard but it's literally on step below the highest difficulty thing in WoD.)
PvE is in a terrible state. The mechanics are brain-dead and you can clear a 25 man encounter with 10 properly geared people. Archie Comics is without hyperbole the easiest endgame boss in the history of this game regardless of difficulty level.
>>342243902
>complaining about raids being too easy after playing on heroic
lmao
mythic is in a different league to heroic
>>342242441
It's not world PvP, it's a conga line where everyone tries to hit events first, forms blockades and amount of healers is directly proportionate to how likely you are to win. And it's a win big or win nothing type of event, where the winners get free 710 gear and the losers get a box with 7g in it.
>>342234124
You will have bodyguards, yes. However you'll have less to choose from. At the order hall mission table to can assign one of your champions as a combat ally which can range from abilities that proc when you're out in the world to actual bodyguards that tank for you (ie Koltira for DKs and Broll for druids).
I'd personally recommend the Q&As just because Watcher seems like the only non retard who interacts with players. They're doing one every week for the next few weeks with one gameplay aspect being the focus each week. This week is professions.
>>342243902
>The mechanics are brain-dead and you can clear a 25 man encounter with 10 properly geared people
Uhhh you realize that heroic scales to the number of people in your group, right?
>>342235663
im in the beta
It's fun
>>342244302
Yes but there's a reason people can sell heroic Archi kills. You can bring 10 worthless people, have them go die in the nearest lava pit and have the other 15 people clear the fight in thirty seconds.
A Heroic endgame boss really shouldn't be as trivial as his LFR counterpart. Why even have difficulty levels if LFR, Normal and Heroic all equate to the same retard mode?
>>342236364
>posting Heelvs "Allah ackbar is fine, but don't say sieg heil even jokingly" Babyface
What drives people to keep falling for the same bullshit over, and over, and over again?
>>342243419
>Ashran isnt AoE spam
lmao youre retarded, you throw lightning shield on and run into their group. its all about AoE in AShran
>>342244579
I'm well aware Blizzard is Fensteining me but unlike Warlords the beta now is actually pretty fun. It's easy but it's fun, like Overwatch.
>>342244708
People said the same thing about WoD's beta. How long will it be "fun?"
>>342244431
Heroic HFC isn't really "retard mode" when you approach it with BRF gear, as people did at launch. My guild is world rank 250 and heroic Archi wasn't a pushover when we first got to it.
LFR versions of the tier sets. New 3D components are missing though.
http://imgur.com/a/Fravw
>>342244892
That hunter set is the most bland, generic thing I have ever seen.
>>342244863
1 week legion has less content than wod.
>>342244194
>It's not world PvP, it's a conga line where everyone tries to hit events first, forms blockades and amount of healers is directly proportionate to how likely you are to win.
That's one way to look at it. I don't see the distinction between this and actual large scale world pvp though?
>And it's a win big or win nothing type of event, where the winners get free 710 gear and the losers get a box with 7g in it.
Sounds like incentive to win to me. Otherwise you just get defeatists and shitters standing around for a pay off, I much prefer this way over that.
>>342244689
And then you die before doing any meaningful damage or significance at all.
You suck at pvp son.
>>342244892
Hunter and monk are awful, rest are ok. Druid's the coolest.
>>342244863
>People said the same thing about WoD's beta.
But that's the thing, nobody said that. People said WoD's beta had tons of problems and little content.
>>342245142
bullshit people here said wod is the new bc fucking liar cunt.
>>342241424
>I didn't actually do any of the content but trust me it was shit
>>342245049
It looks way betetr with the 3D parts. essentially Sylvanas set.
http://imgur.com/a/D8o8y
>All this shitty bait posts with garrison in them and whatnot
>Not a single reply / (you)
>nerf the living fuck out of every other class mobility
>introduce new class with insane mobility (which you can play for only $50!!!!)
Thanks blizzard
>>342245231
Well that turned out to be correct becausebc was shit
>>342245290
That's still bland as shit and looks ultra gay on a blood elf
>>342245325
please use the level 100 boost :^)
>>342245351
>bc was shit
blizzcuck at its finest.
>>342233951
>scaling
what the fuck is the point of leveling then?
Fuck scaling is so shit. Completely nullifies the leveling experiences and the sense of getting stronger.
>>342235820
How do you get into PTR? Don't you have to be invited?
>>342243640
Thank god
Burst of Speed has been absolute cancer since day 1
>>342233951
>game finally becomes decent again and direction looks solid in Legion
>too tired of Blizzard's shit and the game in general and have lost all interest by this point
Not hyped. Not buying. They actually did it, they interest completely and my addiction with it. Guess I should be thankful.
>>342245090
Youre really retarded m8, a lightning wand wipes groups
>>342245231
Do you have any idea just how many people post here without even looking at anything related to the game at all?
I don't even know if there's a way to access it anymore but if you went and looked at the general and feedback forums for WoD you'd have seen that people were waving red flags like mad months before launch.
My honest opinion is that Legion might be slightly better than MoP at launch.
>>342245556
PUBLIC TEST REALM
It's not a name, it's a acronym, and it makes sense if you know what it means
>>342236318
I say Horde, but that's just personal preference. I want to see what they do to Sylvanas to either prepare her for death or if they're gonna completely redeem her
>>342243330
Literally no difference from live
>>342242761
>i wont pvp until they remove snares
Full retard
>>342245546
>muh artificial sense of achievement
Fuck you, you pea-brained mongoloid.
>>342244892
We joker now.
>>342245613
Ah, sorry, figured it out. Installing now.
>>342244892
>giving fancy gear in LFR
fucking why?
>>342245960
It was a major complaint in WoD.
>>342245798
>RPGs shouldnt have a sense of progression
neck yourself lad
>>342245351
i keked because i know you're not being serious.
>>342246002
so? LFR babies crying shouldnt get them spoonfed nice rewards
those sets should be in the new challenge dungeon system,
>>342246210
Why care? Challenge modes will probably get their own sets, and Mythic sets still look heaps better.
>>342246371
because good reward structure makes a game better?
Because it means suffering through LFR to min/max again?
Because it undermines the improvements to dungeons when LFR is still overly rewarding?
Because trash brazilian retards dont deserve fancy gear?
Pick 1
>>342246140
You are right, I was wrongwod is better than bc
>>342246561
What the hell does this have to do with reward structure? Mythic dungeons give way better gear than LFR. It's just a skin. I'd rather have an extra tier recolor skin in the game available, even if the shitters can get it, than the absolutely bland gear in WoD that was so ugly it shoudn't have existed.
Artifact skins are the same. You're not going to stand out by your specific model, but by your recolor.
>>342246995
>mythic dungeons give better gear
what is tier bonus
>its just a skin
which is part of the value of the item
>Id rather have an extra recolor
then put it in dungeons, not LFR
>WOD gear was ugly
fitting for braindead difficulty
>>342246995
>You're not going to stand out by your specific model, but by your recolor
Why did it come to this
>option to hide shoulder armor
Reason enough to be happy
>>342245960
I hate it's there, but at the same time given how much 4 set is going to matter for some specs I welcome more shots at getting that set bonus faster.
>>342233951
>Focus on classes
It's too bad most classes are mechanically gutted.
>>342247327
because shitters get sad when they look like trash for playing like trash
>have to inspect players to even begin to know if they are halfway decent
literal fuck you to people who bother trying
still gotta pay 15/mo, fucking blizzdrones
>Play Wod
>Jump into a lake
>Find a blue sword that trumps my weapons
>This wasn't part of a quest and nothing alluded to it
>You just find it by exploring
>There are little things like this all over the place
I hope Legion does more of this
>>342247515
then put those extra chances elsewhere
LFR is so mindnumbingly easy that there is no justification for it giving good rewards, cosmetically or competitively
>>342245578
>Use: Surrounds the target with electricity, dealing 50000 damage to all nearby enemies surrounding that target within 8 yards. Lasts for 15 sec. Can only be used within Ashran.
>50k a tick when players have ~400k hp and healers
>thinking you will even get close for more than 4 seconds before dieing horribly.
You haven't played in a while have you?
>>342247582
How is this even relevant after transmog?
>>342247593
Yes, and?
>>342247698
50k a tick on everything is a lot of damage retard
>>342247669
There is, but most of it is for your artifact
>>342247764
the privilege just to play the game for 30 days, that's cancer
>>342247669
>>342247889
There are artifact skins that are hidden, you get them by doing specific stuff during dungeons/scenarios.
You also encounter NPCs who notice your artifact weapon and give you an item to add artifact power, or relics for the relic slots on it.
>>342247593
>Not paying with gold
>>342247832
It's relevant, sure, useful in pushes but not nearly enough to ruin anything, AA on a ranged has a far greater impact and is harder to deal with.
>mfw selling archimonde and blackhand carries
Could buy the spider mount if I wanted to
>>342248106
45k gold, nigguh I aint no neet
>>342248084
This kind of stuff was cool years ago, but the knowledge base around the game has ruined it.
WoD's treasures were a cool idea, but people are too easily tempted to just buy a map addon and get them all in the span of a few hours.
Thottbot/wowhead/mmo-champion are the cancer that kills WoW. We know almsot every secret months before release. But then that's true for many games these days.
>>342233951
>Artifacts feel terrific
No. It's just a bunch of passives and a 1 minute CD for every single class. It's not even a unique CD most of the time.
>>342247370
>have to go to a main city to hide them (every time you get new shoulders) because Blizz thinks people are too stupid to have hiding them in the options.
>>342242441
you're legitimately a retard
neo-WoW is made for you
>>342248351
>Only 45k
Stop being poor.
>>342248514
Or you could just buy the cheep ass Yak and stop complaining.
>>342248106
>>100kg
i rather work a day than to farm 100k
but then if i could find a job i wouldn't waste it on a shit game
>>342248424
>people are too easily tempted to just buy a map addon
Dude
>>342248946
I meant to say get. Buy must've slipped in there.
>>342242738
to real life
>>342248564
Compelling argument and an impressive asinine insult, I am thoroughly convinced of your aptitude on this matter and concede my reservations on your clearly well founded criticism.
>>342234124
Are you stuipid? You will have content for 1 week. Then you will grind 8 days for gear until you can raid. Then the game gets boring and shitty because of the community. It's like this since Wotlk.
>>342248084
See I don't want that, you aren't allowed to explore during dungeons and raids. I'm talking about just dicking around in the over world. In Vanilla I would see a cave in the barrens and think "No point in going in there until I get the quest for it", in WOD I see a cave in Tanaan and think "There might be a cool thing in there, maybe even a quest"
Exploration being added to MMOs is all I want
>>342243330
>>342243409
>>342243417
>>342243751
>>342245642
>>342249832
they know the paladin audience
>>342238761
>every class is shit
lmao Turbo is going to run a train up your ass hole and you cant stop it
>pirate rogues
>spawn rum that restores health
>grapple onto stuff (or people)
>force NPCs into negotiation
>ranged eviscerate with a flintlock
>random buffs via dice rolls
>spawn a ghost ship to fire cannonballs at an AOE
Even if it sucks I'm gonna be so erect.
Mage or shaman for expansion?
Quit before the Archimonde-raid in WoD.
>>342250884
Elemental Shaman have crazy burst on the ptr, pve wise
>>342250880
Except there's no ghost ship
>>342250880
>a guy throwing bottles at you is supposed to be a good thing
>>342251428
>he wouldn't trade in his warlock cookie for booze
>>342251118
Burst sure, but can they keep it up? Are they competetive? Is it just build up-burst-wait for cooldowns with crap damage-build up-burst?
>>342251479
Youve never been hit with a bottle I take it.
>>342250880
My only complaint is Roll the Bones is really obstructive visually. It's also complete RNG, although procs can be random too depending on talents or passives.
>>342252085
Roll the Bones is fun as hell, but it should really just be a 30 second cooldown rather than anything related to combo points. That way a rogue always has some sort of beneficial buff rather than having to sacrifice a finisher for a chance at something useful.
>>342243902
>The mechanics are brain-dead
Vanilla, BC, and LK PvE was even more brain dead
>>342252639
why you sayin wrong shit
>Decide to look up some Legion footage
>Literally every video shows people with the vanilla UI
HOW
WHY
THIS SHOULD NOT EXIST
>>342253316
because every class has a 1-3 button rotation now
>Suprised
hello underage
I used to be a WoW hater and I never even played the game... but after I saw Legion... I preordered, all I'm gonna say.
>>342253316
For a long time, add-ons was disabled on for the Alpha/beta.
>>342253550
>I am now a Cruz Missile.
>>342252897
Because mythic raids > old pve
>>342253316
>not using vanilla UI
>having addons besides DBM and a penis size meter
like, why
im gonna buy this game just to play it for 2 weeks and quit, youre welcome jewblizz. I really wanna try demon hunter, if I get a beta key before release I wont buy it
>>342253316
I have yet to see a UI setup that looks better than the vanilla.
Fuck off with this dead shit game
It's been dead since WotLK
>>342253316
>beta of game
>game isnt out yet
>no mods
>implying vanilla ui isnt best ui
what a faggot
>>342253649
Congratulations on being wrong. Back in the day there was no Heroic or Mythic raid versions, the raids themselves were difficult on a linear scale. It also made people want to actually work and see them because they couldn't just see everything in LFR like some kind of tourist.
>>342253963
if legion's content would've been in cataclysm it wouldn't be
>>342247515
have you not played WoD LFR? LFR sets doesn't have the same set bonuses as the normal ones anymore. they have some retarded shit like +1000 stats for 2pc and chance to cause x dmg for 4pc. Last LFR with the lower ilvl raid loot was SoO
>>342254143
Everyone knows this you fucking faggot, and it doesn't change that current raid bosses are more fun to fight than ones from vanilla/TBC.
>>342253316
>prefering fucking elvui and its ilk to the vanilla UI
kill yourself tbqh
>>342255283
As far as I know they will have the same bonuses as normal, heroic and mythic in Legion. However, they have said that they don't want to make crucial or crazy set bonuses anymore. They'd rather have legendaries, artifacts and maybe trinkets provide those kinds of effects and increases.
I'm pretty hyped for Legion. Still play WoD to farm gold and get some achievements I never did.
I really hope to find a good guild in Legion again where I can raid and pvp with like back in BC.
>>342249509
>It's like this since Wotlk
Confirmed for knowing his shit.
This game didn't die with Cata or MoP. I distinctly remember all the raid content being cleared within 48 hours of Wrath's release, and the whole community understood that something dreadful had happened to the quality of the game.
>>342253692
this. vanilla ui is awesome though i needed to switch do dominos recently because i got a huge monitor-tv now and it got really hard to track shit.
>>342244892
>thought Shaman was Mage
I miss the nature themed shaman sets
>>342250880
>literally 3 buttons
>grapple is slower as if you'd walk over there
>>342252085
>My only complaint is Roll the Bones is really obstructive visually.
There isn't much to see. Outlaw is literally 2 animations + Pistol, and lazy ass Blizz made sure to use the same animation for Pistol attack and finisher. Also you won't see shing in melee when a Demo Lock and a BM Hunter are in the group. That is obstructive.
>people are getting hyped for this again
Why? Every expac the same stupid shit. Doesn't matter that Blizzard doesn't update their game for 1 and a half years, because THIS TIME it'll be all better.
>>342256418
this time it will be better, this expansion will save wow. I mean even metzen says so
Which plate class will be best? Prolly gonna play all three but haven't kept up on data
>>342233951
Nice shill, Blizzfag.
Now here's a real task for an obviously talented marketer such as yourself: All my friends play WoW, but the one hour I spent playing the game was a huge disappointment. Prove to me that your new content is going to make this game worth sinking hundreds of dollars into.
>>342255856
I honestly don't like the huge focus on trinkets. They give huge dps boost. Sometimes almost as equal as the 4 tier set bonus for some classes.
>that doom trinket for casters
>that Agility trinket from Soc'retar
>>342257282
they're getting nerfed in legion and they're also removing the whole "your trinket will always proc in the first few seconds of starting a fight" thing. It will maintain its internal cooldown between fights which means you can't really bait out a trinket proc during the initial burst anymore.
>>342236738
>catering to people who "care" about the game
The casuals are the only reason you still have a game.
>>342256768
Warrior looks to be the most fun and powerful right now but that may change at any time. Their damage is pretty insane on the beta server and I doubt Blizzard will let them touch live without a nerf.
>>342257282
I wouldn't even mind if every armor class and role had amazing trinkets. Melee dps got fucked hard outside of maybe ret paladins with EDH. It's so bad as an unholy DK that the only usable trinket on farm is Unending Hunger and the Vial that drops from mythic Iron Maidens. I've literally been using the same trinket for almost 15 months now.
>>342256114
IIRC Burning Crusade even launched with T4 and T5 content. And Kael'thas first kill happened right AFTER the black temple launch.
>Unholy 90 talents
>One encourages pooling runic power then burning it out
>One encourages weaving runic usage between rotation
>One is a middle ground that lets you be more situational
Cool to see Talents making a difference now.
>>342244892
Oh man, the Priest LFR set is so fucking pretty, what the hell.
>Frost DKs
>Initial big shiny oh god man are you ready for these sick nasty artifacts pham they're gonna make legion great artifact trait is a FUCKING PASSIVE WITH NO INTERACTION AT ALL THAT JUST DEALS DAMAGE
>Only active ability in the artifact is a fucking 5 minute cooldown that does nothing but deal damage
How come Blizzard hates Frost DKs man? Spec has been a joke since Cata and now they finally give it attention and make it an even bigger joke.
>>342258268
I want to nut on him desu
>>342257969
know that feel friendo. We don't even raid anymore but I tried so long to get that fucking Vial from BRF because every other trinket is worse. Doesn't help that our class trinket is trash for both dps speccs.
>>342258704
If you're playing DK as anything other than Unholy you're doing it wrong. Go make an ice mage
>>342242441
>Any melee other than Death Knight
Enjoy not doing SHIT since the moment you step up/show up to the enemy you get tab target to death.
Only way to do anything as a melee was death griping people to death.
It was so bad for melees I just respec for healing whenever I wanted to pvp.
>>342258268
I like this better when it was in Final Fantasy
>>342234506
>Heroic harder that MoP heroics
>Ashran being great
>Solid PvP
>New BGs
>More patch content than ever before
Holy shit, never has one poster been more wrong. I fucking love it.
>>342244497
Source on this.
>>342258745
And sadly it's still bad in 7.0. I was hoping the change in frost's playstyle would encourage the class trinket for single target but it's still not that great.
On the plus side, we get stupid amounts of burst from Dark Arbiter without having to cheese the fuck out of glyphs like Death's Embrace before pulls.
>Trying enhancement on the ptr.
>Maintaining all those brands and the vortex.
This actually feels so much better than the current enhancement shaman.
Question though, can you only pick one artifact weapon or does it change when you switch specs? I mainly play Resto but Enhancement is fun as fuck.
I've been playing the beta, I'm bored already .. I think I've just had enough of WoW to be fair.
>>342259968
When you start leveling you pick one. But once you hit 102 you'll get quests to get the other 2. When you change specs, it automatically equips the artifact for you.
tfw they are killing disc i like the dps healer aspect but the heals fucking suck dick, no point really to take a disc to 5 mans or raids
>>342260836
>waah, my spec isn't op pre-tuning
>>342261776
It's going to take more than "tuning" to make Disc good for 5 mans. The atonement/damage healer really doesn't work for such a small group.
And then some specs like Frost DK or BM Monk are just fucked beyond all tuning at a core level.
