Why can't gamers take any criticism of gaming or the industry from people without being sent into a hyperbolic rage
>Many commentators talk about how over the top the violence shown at all the E3 conferences were, damn near every game the central mechanic was shooting while games that were far more creative were relegated to quick trailer compilation reels or weren't even shown at all despite being major exclusive titles.
>Many commentators point out how it feels in bad taste to have these conferences be mass celebration of extreme violence and shooting within hours of the largest mass murder in US history, especially when they walk out on stage wearing "Remember Orlando" ribbons while talking about how fun it is to shoot people.
Why have these criticisms turned into such a fucking clusterfuck of gamers going on the warpath once again for perfectly fine observations? I'm hearing people crying about Jim Sterling supporting "censorship" with this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKFafPSddGw
And other for being "SJWs" for pointing out how in bad taste it is to pretend you give a shit about orlando while trying to sell mass murder or pointing out how tastless it is to try sell shooters within hours of the largest mass shooting in US history. Imagine if they showed another "No Russian" style trailer at E3!?
The weird part is, many people within gaming point this shit out all the time, how games have focused entirely on violence and shooting while letting other mechanics rot like RPG mechanics and dialogue mechanics. How many people here complain all the time about how FO4 has become Borderlands and the dialogue system has been all but completely removed? How many people complain about RPG's being a shadow of what they were in the past and now just being shallow action games?
Why can't gamers take any fucking criticism of the medium even when that criticism is totally justified?
>>342216763
TLDR
>Why can't gamers take any fucking criticism of the medium even when that criticism is totally justified?
because it's not our fault? It's the casual players who lap up shit and love Fallout 4 despite it's completely removal of any kind of RPG or real dialogue system, and then we have fat cunts like Sterling who then act like we're the problem and not Johnny Normie who then goes on to buy the latest AAA shit which comes out in droves.
99% of these critics of the 'medium' (lol) are aimed at the hardcore audience when we're the ones who routinely get shit on when big devs produce another turd of a game. Casual players are the 'fault' and they don't read this shit or listen to Jim and his clique.
Most gamers are teenagers who have no reading comprehension and are basically retarded.
>See Gamergate.
>>342216763
>Bait
Do you expect violent blockbuster movies to move their theatre dates because of the "Largest shooting in US History"? Each company gave their sympathy to the victims and their families. What more should they do, fly down their and suck their dick? Well thought out criticism is fine, such as with FO4 lack of mechanics or with Ubisofts practices. Going on a tirade because they didn't cancel their millions of dollars investment because 50 people died is foolish.
>>342216763
Also the world is a fucking violent place, WE as a species are violent. There are people being horribly butchered and maimed across the planet right this second and nobody gives a shit, but when somebody on YOUR back turf gets horribly killed it's suddenly open season on virtue signalling and showing how progressive you are about mass shooting.
Fact is trying to forcible remove our violent nature through media is not going to work and if it DID work, there's still billions of people who have not had their violent instinct programmed out of them who are going to have a very easy time inflicting violence upon the peaceful guys.
>>342216763
Video game players don't see the violence it's all gameplay to them does that make sense
>>342217013
>Johnny Normie who then goes on to buy the latest AAA shit which comes out in droves.
This is because it's all the AAA industry advertises.
It's a vicious cycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87IbuTN4AL4
MatthewMatosis points it out in his E3 stream here at 2h:40m
They say these games won't sell, despite having quite large buzz behind them, at the same time, they refuse to advertise them at all.
One of the most ironic things about E3 is the trailer that BTFO'ed everyone was Zelda: studio ghibli exploration edition.
Very little focus on combat, huge focus on comfy and exploration.
>>342217293
the shooting was definitely do to us being a violent species and not radical Islamic terrorism
>>342216763
Gaming as both a medium and a community has been under fire for literally decades over violent games.
Literally decades.
It's natural to be defensive when you're frequently under attack.
And there's literally nothing wrong with violent games. You can't expect a huge, multi-million dollar event, let alone an entire subculture, to grind everything to a halt just because someone decided to be a gigantic faggot and kill a bunch of homosexuals to feel better about himself and his shitty religion.
/v/ criticizes gaymen all the time
it's pretty obvious when some retard who knows nothing about gaming criticizes gaming
>>342216763
The E3 presentations were locked down for months. There was little time to completely re-work it to be less violent in the wake of the Orlando shooting.
Also Americans have made it abundantly clear they dont give a shit after the Sandy Hook shooting.
>>342216763
I guess we better scrap any media that feature violence this year as well, bye bye Game of Thrones come back in 2017 when the americans decide to have another daily mass shooting.
>>342216763
Because normal human beings can differentiate between the real world and the virtual one. There's nothing wrong with violence in videogames, quite the contrary.
/thread
I wouldn't mind seeing more nonviolent games, mostly because that would mean devs would have to start getting creative and wouldn't be able to just rip off CoD or RE4 like they do now. Though I'm not talking about Chex Quest nonviolence. That's cheating.
I would actually argue that violence isn't even the major thing that sells, exploration is.
Skyrim, Zelda, The Witcher are all massive AAA games that have crazy huge communities and hype around them, why? They all have very shallow combat, but the main focus is exploration.
People want huge fucking worlds to explore, violence is very secondary.
Do people think that Zelda is the most watched trailer at this E3 by a mile because of it's 10 seconds of combat? Nope, it's because of the crazy feel of exploration that comes from the trailer.
I remember when Star Trek online came out and everyone was in arms it was a combat focused game, when Star Trek is about cooperation, exploration and diplomacy it wasn't until Foundry and shit was implemented like 2 years later that finally you could play a proper Star Trek adventure based around dialogue, wits and RPG mechanics.
It's always surprised me nobody has made a tight as fuck space game based on the ideals of Star Trek, basically all Star Trek games out there are ship combat simulators, where I think most people want is a Star Trek exploration game where you explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations, and boldly go where no man has gone before.
>>342217489
>Gaming as both a medium and a community has been under fire for literally decades over violent games
This is the issue I think.
The problem is most gamers have a siege mentality and can't separate people who are critical of shit happening in gaming or what we see in video games and people like Jack Thompson or even Clinton back in the day who outright wanted to ban video games.
>>342217994
>This is the issue I think.
So the issue is that Gamers can't differentiate stuff? Sounds like all got some brain tumor, thanks senpai
>>342217171
Pretty funny how business' and capitalists get a free pass but if any other random joe didn't show restraint they'd be crucified. Goes to show how corrupt money has made us.
>Why can't gamers take any criticism of gaming or the industry from people without being sent into a hyperbolic rage
We took this criticism for years and it has devolved into "journalists" shitting on gamers because they don't act like they want us to and listen to their moral outrage bullshit, because they won't talk about video games.
>Many commentators talk about how over the top the violence shown at all the E3 conferences were
The implication is, that it's worse than the years before, when it's really not. Do the work and do an extensive comparison of the material shown, if you're gonna claim shit like that.
>Many commentators point out how it feels in bad taste to have these conferences be mass celebration of extreme violence
Yeah, we should just stop everything and give the shooter what he wanted: Disruption of our lives. If anything, this is political use of the massacre in the first place, which is fucking disgusting.
>while talking about how fun it is to shoot people.
That's blatant hyperbole and you know it.
>Imagine if they showed another "No Russian" style trailer at E3!?
The implication of your complete post is that shooting games are somehow bad. That isn't the case and your implication of it being tasteless also isn't true.
>ike RPG mechanics
You're full of shit. Even the latest Call of Duty always has RPG mechanics, with plenty of weapons to unlock, numbers to push and shit to earn. Nowadays almost every game has them.
>dialogue mechanics
Are you fucking serious? What's there to talk about fucking dialogue mechanics? You're just trying to come up with shit, so the shooting seems worse, even though it's just a stupid gameplay mechanic that nobody gives a shit about. Get out.
>>342217171
Did you even watch Jims video? Or read the text? OP doesn't care about Orlando.
>>342217293
And yet this mentality is what maintains the violence. Like anything, people are shaped by their environment. Its not just videogames, but all media. Keeping in with "the norm" is what perpetuates it. If the society doesn't change the behaviors won't change.
>>342218201
>you must cater to our moral outrage and behave the way we want you to
>video games make people violent even though every single study shows nothing like this happens
>violence is always bad
Get. Out.
>>342216763
>Why can't gamers take any criticism of gaming or the industry from people without being sent into a hyperbolic rage
Probably because it's not valid criticism?
Let's take a look at what you have here:
>>Many commentators point out how it feels in bad taste to have these conferences be mass celebration of extreme violence and shooting within hours of the largest mass murder in US history, especially when they walk out on stage wearing "Remember Orlando" ribbons while talking about how fun it is to shoot people.
This has got to be one of the most retarded arguments in the entire world, it's literally ripped right out of Jack Thompson's playbook.
THEY ARE V I D E O G A M E S
THEY AREN'T R E A L
And it just so happens it IS fun to shoot pixels on a screen, BECAUSE IT'S PIXELS ON A FUCKING SCREEN, IT'S NOT "MASS MURDER" YOU FUCKING MORONS.
As for your point about RPG mechanics and other creative IPs fading away, how the fuck is that our fault? You think we don't like well made RPGs and innovative new IPs, just because we ALSO happen to like violence? What kind of fucked up false dichotomy is that?
You should blame the PUBLISHERS for that, you fucking moron. They're the ones pushing unrealistic deadlines and regulations, squeezing the literal life out of studios in pursuit of more $$$, and yet, they get NO criticism from the Gaming """"media""""", it's always the big bad GAMERS.
>>342217865
To be fair anon, Its all the things you can do (combat and explorative) that made it THE game of E3. Zelda wouldn't have worked on exploration alone. It's the interactivity the game gave without forcing gimmicky game controls this time around that made it. All the excitement has been around "look at what bokoblins/skeletons do", "look at that parry!". I mean just look at the webms floating around. Few have anything to do with exploration. That's a selling point, but freedom combined with interactivity and a world that responds to one's choices is something players have been yearning for more than anything. And zelda is finally providing that.
>>342218091
I don't think anyone should stop what they're doing just because 50 people died. If anything blame the media for plastering this event on air for hours a day.
>>342218151
Criticism on the gaming industry and one of those is the recent E3/Orlando event shit. Like I said, valid criticism of stuff like Fallout 4s further casualisation and Ubisofts practice of major downgrades from E3 should be good. They should be thrown around. Fanboys and trolls, as always, ruin it.
>Why can't gamers
>gamers
lmao.
People die fucking daily from much much worse shit out there. We can't stop every event every time a tragedy happens.
And let's be real, if you really felt bad about the shooting then you'd be mourning with the victims, not trying to push your blatant political bullshit onto gamers.
OP, your false-flagging is obvious.
>>342216763
shut the fuck up jim you fat fucking pig, you look like your wife if she was a crossdresser, you sound like a pig with a deviated septum. you are garbage and your opinions are garbage, hurry up and drop dead from obesity already
>>342217476
Why do you think the Quran is filled with so much violence? Religion is a perfect reflection on how inherently violent the human animal is.
>>342217994
It's more like we've literally heard it all already and we're fucking sick of it.
As I just said, there's nothing wrong with violent games. Please stop giving us your "critique". We've literally heard it all for the last two fucking decades.
Video games hurt no one, please let them be.
>>342218980
You do realise this was the biggest terrorist attach on US soil since 9/11 right?
>>342219392
And?
pic related, it's for u lol
>>342217034
Except they were correct and they won
Quite frankly, I live in a country where a significant number of games were censored or not sold at all because of some harebrained assumption that fictional violence would somehow inspire real violence. It's the best proof that at the end of the day constant moralizing only leads to restrictions that serve no actual purpose.
>>342219985
Sup Germany
>>342219985
You clearly live in a society that is morally slipping.
Germany? Sweden?
Either way, you need mild censorship if you don't want your country to slip to pure degeneracy. Unlike most neckbeards on /v/ I actually see the bigger picture.
>>342220197
I live in Germany and fuck that shit.
If you want to remove causes of violence actually look into what causes people to commit acts of violence and take measures accordingly. Censoring media, video games in particular, is a measure taken by old people with no personal knowledge about the matter to give other old people with no knowledge about the matter the impression they're "doing something."
>>342220512
You do realize people are influenced by the media they consume, right? If you surround yourself with violent media you WILL be violent.
We are letting morality slip away for pleasure and comfort.
>>342220951
>You do realize people are influenced by the media they consume, right? If you surround yourself with violent media you WILL be violent.
Complete and utter bullshit.
>>342220951
If you surround yourself with violent media you become numb to violence. No study has ever proven to any degree that that media increases violent behaviour.
>>342221546
>No study has ever proven to any degree that that media increases violent behaviour.
10.1016/j.jesp.2012.10.016
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/ppm0000046
10.1016/j.jadohealth.2014.09.016
10.1016/j.acap.2014.09.008
get your head out of the fucking sand son
>>342217489
>You can't expect a huge, multi-million dollar event, let alone an entire subculture, to grind everything to a halt just because someone decided to be a gigantic faggot and kill a bunch of homosexuals to feel better about himself and his shitty religion.
/thread
Sure the ribbons were in bad taste, but fuck you if you think everyone should warp what they're doing because of one faggot.
>>342217432
that's just what interest mathew the most
if you were with him during the stream, you can see many people with another ideas in chat.
anyway, most people care about sonygger shit because it is the best selling consoles atm
personally i think m$ and pc show have the most variety. but he didnt watch the pc show anyway.
also funny that they push dx hr to pc show despite the game is consolite as fuck and only advertise ff15 in the big shows.
>>342216763
#BANHOLLYWOOD
>>342222124
At least the first study seems pretty legit, even though the wording of the abstract is questionable. The thing is, violent behavior isn't necessarily the same as aggression. This study is about how much pain you would inflict on another person in a specific instance and not if they want to do it in the first place. There doesn't seem to be any link to actual crimes committed so far. I'm also not sure doing the trial for 3 days and concluding there's a cumulative effect is good study design. What happens if they stop playing for a few days? Still, it's something.
>>342216763
It's just a game man.
>>342216763
>while talking about how fun it is to shoot people.
I hate it when people call fictional characters "people" We are people, characters is fiction, imagination, ie not real.
>>342216763
>Why can't gamers take any fucking criticism of the medium even when that criticism is totally justified?
1. It's not justified at all.
2. It aims to change videogames into something we won't like anymore.
>>342216763
>it's ok when movies and tv does it
Basucally they are just yanking the weakest link because nobody else gives a shit about them.
>>342216763
>tousands of people are killed in Syria every day
>nobody compaind about guns or tanks or jets
>50 guys die in a one time event
>hurr guns are evil and gamers are bad
>>342219937
>Except they were correct and they won
>Majority of the people they rallied against still have jobs, got better jobs or just went on to make a killing on Patreon writing about you dumbfucks.
>Got duped by a conservative "writer" who hated gamers and made fun of them before GG started.
>Said writer is a con man who changes his name every time one of his shitty startups fail.
>Gave thousand of views and as a result money to a bunch of hacks on Youtube.
>Anita still making money hand over fist and continuing her series
>They won but absolutely nothing changed.
>Now we're stuck with a bunch of manchild who talk like idiots and use black slang ironically while hating black people.
>B-b-but they won!
