Are these Tvs really good for playing video games? I'm pretty skeptical but I believe it.
ask /vr/
>>342196573
What tiny ass grey ones? No.
CRTs can be an improvement for old shit though, especially the N64 with its blur o vision. Its like the low resolution fuzzy image of the television cancels out the vaseline smeared screen of the N64 output and it looks alright.
>>342196573
only for SD games
for anything past gen 7 you're better off using the tv you already have
Up to PS2 games, they're fantastic.
SD consoles look better on a CRT.
Don't spend hundreds of dollars on a PVM. PVM's are the "best" but the improvement over a regular CRT isn't enough to justify the cost.
A CRT ranges from free to 20 bucks, a PVM isn't going to be less than a hundred.
>>342196573
Yes, but you have to mod them to hook your console up. The house I live in had a bunch of these left in the attic from when they were used with the old security system. I didn't feel modding them so I just sold them for a decent price.
>>342196573
I've got a pretty similar model than that, and the sharpness and color depth is amazing. Just keep in mind the stuff you need for RGB is going to run you a pretty penny.
one day I'm gonna get a 40" crt to play my marios on.
>>342196814
>not hacking it with gameshark and HDMI on a HD CRT
Poorfag here. I am still using a 1990s CRT hooked to a Xbox 360 since I don't have money for a new TV.
Games until 2007 or so look fine, but games newer than that are nearly impossible to play, the image is way too small, colors looks shitty, etc. That's why the only things I play are remakes and emulators.
>>342197448
How poor are you? Do you even have a monitor? Shit nigga, why not just connect the 360 to your monitor? Does it have VGA in? What about HDMI in? Do you have speakers for it?
>>342196573
480p screens can.
Just get a PVM.
>>342197038
lucky bastard.
>>342199004
Currently a neet. Sadly the only computer I have is an old laptop.
>>342199468
Gotcha, I'm sorry to hear. I legit have 360 VGA cables with no use for them, but if you have no monitor...
Best of luck in the future.
Lots of inaccuracies in this thread.
Standard definition graphics look better on CRTs, which are the tube-screen monitors. The one in OP's picture is a PVM, which stands for Professional Video Monitor--these typically were used in hospitals or TV stations, as they were very high quality and supported a multitude of inputs.
PVMs in particular are sought after for the fact that they support RGB input, which is an older format comparable to component video that many retro consoles support natively, or with little modification. What this means is you'll be able to get fairly high quality input out of your old consoles with these monitors.
I'm definitely oversimplifying here.
Check out retroRGB.com if you're bored and have lots of time to read.
>>342199560
Thank you.
>>342196573
They're the best but they're also really expensive and require you to learn how to use them.
A CRT TV with component cable inputs won't look as good but it'll only cost you $5 at a thrift store. That's a good place to start until you can find a good deal on a PVM, and with the right hookups you'll still get glorious 240p with scanlines.
>>342199417
Show me the difference, not picture quality. Monitor. What does the TV look like because the PVM and BVM look the same to me.
>>342199692
Adding onto this--virtually no CRTs outside of PVMs support RGB Scart in the western world, as it was a European standard whereas we got S-Video instead.
Composite video is the yellow/white/red cable, and is an analog signal. Quality levels go something like this:
RF < Composite < S-Video < RGB < Component
>>342199859
PVMs and BVMs are usually considered interchangeable. The main thing about BVMs is that they have input cards that could be replaced to allow different video inputs. They're considered the highest quality of CRTs, but are largely impractical because finding these input cards is nigh-impossible, and they're ridiculously expensive.
>>342199692
Rocks look more artsy and real on the composite one honestly
>>342199990
is europe not part of the western world anymore
RGB output was always standard here.
>>342200006
Most console games were designed with composite video in mind as the standard, and many artists compensates for the limited color palettes by using color bleed to add additional colors. The waterfalls in that picture are a good example, as well as this one--it's used to create transparency effects as well.
>>342200091
Should have said in the Americas, but I definitely did say it was a European standard.
>>342199853
I wish I could see some recorded video of a PVM in action like in your pic.
I have the same crt that I had in my room as a kid, and I play ps3 on it just fine. Although it is really reeaalllly dark in the games and I can't read anything but other than that it's pretty good I guess.
Is this screen good?
>>342200329
My pic isn't a PVM. It's a 32" Trinitron TV that I bought at the thrift store for $5.
This pic is a 10" Trinitron TV that I bought for $4. It's small but the picture is just as sharp as its big brother.
Like I said, TVs are a good alternative if you want to get your feet wet with CRT gaming without shelling out big money for PVMs. Look for Sony Trinitrons with Component Cable (red blue green) input jacks. You'll need a Scart to YUV converter and RGB Scart cables to get the best picture quality, but the adapter only costs $50 and the cables are a great investment.
>>342200612
Is this composite or RGB?
>>342200612
God just imagine what'd sly cooper 2 would look like on that and a BVM
>>342200573
>pachinko
Kojima knew all those years ago
>>342200295
Yeah, you do lose a bit of the artistic vision when playing through RGB, although I'd argue that the tradeoff is worth it. The games were designed on RGB monitors, and in the case of arcade ports they were designed to be played on them too. There's something magical about seeing 240p sprite-based games running on a CRT through RGB.
>>342200809
>>342200573
>>342201003
Oh wow, it really was a lewd joke all along. Can't believe they actually cared enough to change it just for that. Absolute madman
>>342200806
480i games like Sly Cooper are a little different from 240p when you run them on an old CRT. 240p games run in progressive scan, meaning all the pixels are displayed at once. This has the side effect of giving you scan lines, which is the unlit area between each row of pixels that really makes the image dazzle and pop off the screen like a Las Vegas neon sign. 480i is technically higher resolution, but since it only shows have the pixels at a time, you instead get what's called a "combing effect," which is a subtle strobing of the image that looks kind of like a comb across the screen. It's a tradeoff of picture clarity for higher resolution.
In the case of 480i games, some of them can be forced to run in 480p on a PS2 with custom firmware. You can also hack many games to downscale to 240p, although I'm not entirely impressed with the results I've gotten on 3D games designed around higher resolutions. For Sly 2 the best picture quality is going to be the Sly HD collection on an HDTV, to be perfectly honest.
It looks so comfortable
>>342200684
RGB Scart through a Scart to YUV Component converter.
>>342200809
Pachinko as a loophole for illegal gambling been popular in Japan for literal decades. We're only just hearing about it now because turning video game franchises into Pachinko machines to appeal to the younger crowd is a moderately new thing.
>>342201587
This IS a Konami game we're talking about though. That's where the irony stems from.
This thread is similar enough to something I was wondering, if you guys will excuse a very very slightly off topic question:
What looks better, do you think; A gamecube game on a Gamecube through a Composite cable, or a gamecube game on a Wii through composite?
>>342201509
You can also force resolutions with a boot disc if you have no home-brew methods toy. Personally, I use the Xploder to force everything to 640x480 (60hz). Best part is you can also adjust the overscan and center.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/11/01/xploder-hdtv-player-for-ps2-review
If you need more help on 4chan, Kyadash on /vr/ is very knowledgable.
>>342201509
I should also mention that it's possible to de-interlace 480i PS2 games if you run them to an HDTV through the XRGB Framemeister scaler, and it looks almost as good as native progressive scan to the point where most players wouldn't be able to even tell a difference. The catch with the Framemeister is that it costs almost as much as a PVM-- about $300. It's a worthwhile investment if you want to play your old systems on an HDTV though.
>>342201857
or just get an Xploder off ebay for 20-30 USD.
>>342201834
Yeah, that will do basically the same thing as the custom firmware. Many PS2 games are capable of running at 480p, and sometimes even higher resolutions, but for whatever reason the publisher didn't give the final go-ahead to include it as an official feature. The same is true of significant a handful of Dreamcast games, which can be forced to play through VGA using a simple trick despite it not being officially supported.
>>342196573
>Playing a NEO GEO on a SONY BVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiR4E1id-8
Absofuckinglutely.
* Zero Input lag
* True Blacks
Playing on a 1000 line BVM has to be experienced, there's no way to describe it without showing how sharp it is in person.
>>342202082
that guy's a chad, is he?
>>342201780
Through composite? I really couldn't say. They would probably both look bad to me, because I'm so used to component cables.
As far as Wii vs. Gamecube goes when it comes to component cables though, hands down the Gamecube wins. The sharpness and color accuracy on the Gamecube's component cables is noticeably better than the Wii's, although the downside is that the GC's component cables are stupid expensive. Fortunately there are aftermarket solutions popping up although they're not quite ready for prime time yet.
>>342201780
The gamecube has a very, & I mean VERY slightly better picture compared to the wii. You're really splitting hairs. If you're not playing in RGB, you won't notice any difference.
>>342202071
Most infuriating, and I mean INFURIATING thing is Megaman 9. Play it on an HD console, and it's a shitty filtered mess. play it on Wii U, and it's 480i only. For years I've tried to force it 480p or 240p to no avail.
Cap com dropped the fucking ball hard on 9 and 10.
>>342202173
He knows more about RGB & tube TVs then you ever will.
>>342202238
>Component
Yeah, that's what I meant.
The good ones.
Thanks
>>342201814
it says chinko which means dick dickhead
>>342196573
they're the only way to play melee and pm
>>342200295
>muh waterfalls
Not every console made heavy use of dithering. It's mostly a sega genesis thing.
>>342202246
I can attest to this. I've played both my Wii and GCN through component through a Gefen HDMI transcoder, and minus some VERY slight rising on the Wii compared to the GCN, it's only an issue to the pickiest people.
Yes GCN component is superior to Wii, but to 98 percent of you, you won't be able to tell.
>>342202405
Stop posting and get back to working on vidya music.
>>342197212
>being a complete fucking nerd
>>342202661
It's dependent moreso on game than console, but it was definitely very prevalent in Genesis games.
>>342196573
Not tiny ones like that. A nice sized CRT is best for all 90's or earlier games and may be the way to go even for non-widescreen PS2 games. (unless you have a widescreen CRT but those are slightly obscure richcunt things and I think they universally stretch 4:3 images so fuck 'em.)
>>342196814
>especially the N64 with its blur o vision.
Modders fixed that awhile ago. You can just remove that filter with a gameshark now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDiHgKil8AQ
PVM's are pretty sweet. Got mine for less than $40.
Are all PVM good are are there models that i should avoid?
>>342202405
There is one way to run Mega Man 9 in 240p, but it's not simple or cheap. With an Extron RGB, you can force Mega Man 9 to downscale to 240p, which makes it look very nice on a CRT, like a real NES game. Unfortunately, the Extron RGB costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $300, so unless you're going all-in with investing in CRT gaming, it's probably not worth it.
In theory, if you had a hacked Wii you could do a hex edit on the Mega Man 9 game file to force 240p, but I don't know if anyone has figured out how to do that as of yet. That's how I got Metal Slug Anthology to run in 240p on my PS2.
>>342203289
They get better the closer you get to the year 2000 or so. I think they still produced PVMs up to 2006 or so.
>>342196573
Picked up a decent Trinitron PVM along with a modded PS1 and SNES (with a sd2snes.)
My shitty iPhone can't do the thing justice. It just looks so crisp and clear, especially in motion.
What's a PVM?
>>342203270
I've only seen one PVM for sale and it was a tiny 5 or 8 inch thing at the thrift store. I probably should have bought it but I really can't see myself playing on a screen that small, and would much prefer a Trinitron TV for the size.
>>342203473
>Modded PS1
Doesn't the PS1 output RGB natively? What mod did you do?
>>342203498
Here's a guide that should get you on the right track.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+pvm%3F
>>342203545
modded to take burnt discs dummy.
>>342203384
Sadly, I am not a learned man on hex editing and code injection, but it absolutely blows my mind that in 8 years NO ONE has been able to force this to 240 or 480p with simple Wii Homebrew. it's almost impossible to believe, this game of all games.
Another thing that totally blows is no aspect option in-game. If you want the most pixel desnitym you have to force your Wii to 4:3 every single time before you boot up the game, unlike a VC game which correctly fullscreen everything and allows you to control the aspect via the display. Such horseshit.
>>342203529
That seems pretty small, but would have been still cool to have. I actually have a quite a collection of CRT's now since I finished my retro room months ago.
This one probably has the nicest picture I've seen so far for retro gaming.
>>342203384
You can buy a cheap Extron RGB interface off eBay for about 30 bucks and there's a switch that creates a pseudo 240p effect from a 480i signal. Obviously not ideal but far better than 480i, and cheaper than buying one of those extron emotia unit.
>>342203701
and then this one is pretty good for like PS2 era since it can do HD as well.
This one is my favourite.
>>342203649
Why didn't you just buy a PSIO?
http://ps-io.com/store/psio-cartridge/
>>342202173
>unironically referring to someone as a chad
everybody loves video games, i'm guessing you were threatened as soon as you saw the guy in the video was totally ripped?
don't be that way
>>342203624
A parallel virtual machine or file extension? That's cool but I don't see what it has to do with retrogaming.
>>342203701
Shit nigga, the shielding on those ain't the best towards the top. Beware of the speaker bar amazing the set.
How's the geometry?
>>342203790
Because I'd rather save money?
>>342203701
Yea, the Sony Trinitrons are pretty much GOAT as far as CRT TVs go. The best looking one I've got so far is my 32" Trinitron. There's a bit of a horizontal bow in the bottom half of the screen, and some misaligned convergeance int he corners, but it still looks amazing.
Eventually I'm probably going to get an XRGB Framemeister and see for myself how it stacks up against a real CRT. I expect the CRT to win, but it will be nice to have options since I likely won't always have room for a dedicated CRT.
>>342196573
Really only depends on what you have and whether you want to play on a large screen I guess.
I have a 32" TV and a 25" Monitor and the TV has more inputs that supports most of my consoles, and at 720p most of the older-gen games don't look like crap on it.
>>342203828
Also just saying you look like a tool for not even thinking that I googled it and still don't know what it means. Hell you could have even googled your own passive aggressive remark and not looked like a fool.
>>342203851
Are you talking about the weight of the soundbar? It's pretty light so it shouldn't cause any serious harm.
>>342203825
Judging by his video he seems to like nOrmie tier humor
>>342199990
>Europe is not the western world
???
>>342203790
Why would you spend $150 for something that does the same job as a $5 modchip?
>>342204003
Not the weight, the magnets! Top shielding on trinitrons from that era isn't the best. Like, boot up a game with straight lines right now, now remove the soundbar...
are the lines still as straight?
>>342204082
Loading games off an SD card means zero load times, & it makes your laser last longer since you're not stressing out the PS1 with burned CDs.
>>342203014
neat
>>342204083
Not him, but if you put a magnet near a CRT you get some pretty "groovy" effects, if you catch my drift. I left my magnetic screw bowl on top of my TV once and I was alarmed at what was happening to the colors in the corner of the screen, and then as soon as I moved the bowl it went back to normal.
>>342203949
>convergeance
I've been hearing this term, but have no clue what it means. Care to explain?
>>342204083
Oh, yeah my partner has an eye for that and didn't notice anything. So I'm only going to assume it's fine.
This is a picture with the soundbar on top. Seems fine?
>>342204007
you see more focused on the guy and less on the tv
relax
>>342204213
>convergence
noun: convergence; noun: convergency
the process or state of converging.
>>342204189
I guess that's a fine enough reason, although for me I'd rather just buy fix my PS1 or replace it if something goes wrong with the laser. I don't really play it much aside from my occasional attempts to chip through some of the RPGs that I have laying around.
>>342204189
>Not emulating
Its the current year, why wouldn't you emulate?
>>342204213
geometry seems fairly solid, slight SLIGHT bowing that you can see on the bottom center, but nothing major.
>>342202082
Wish I had the knowledge, funds, and space to have shit like this.
Anybody had a chance to try the HD Retrovision cables? I like the idea of skipping a SCART cable and converter.
Pvm-8045q
Pvm-8042q
Pvm 8040
Pvm-14n5u
Which one of these is the best? or should i just go for the cheapest one?
>>342204404
Well, if you don't....
https://www.humblebundle.com/neo-geo-encore
>>342204332
>Its the current year, why wouldn't you emulate?
Shh, the adults are talking about our grandpa toys.
>>342204357
My PVM was actually brand new when I bought it, so af far as I know, it has zero convergence or geometry issues.
>>342204404
>I wish I had a job
>& money
>and a car
>and a girlfriend
Stop shitposting on /v/ & make some money. It's only going to get more & more expensive. Man up & save for a month.
>>342204357
The bowing at the bottom was like that when we picked it up from the person, thankfully it's not much of an issue.
>>342204321
Thanks. Loved the detail.
>>342204213
Convergeance means the alignment of the red, blue, and green cathode ray signals. If they don't line up in certain parts of the screen, you might get some weird color ghosting. In this example, what is supposed to be a white circle has some red and blue ghosting around the edges because the red and blue light isn't lining up correctly.
Projection TVs usually have pretty elaborate convergence calibration features in their firmware through the hidden service menu, but with a tube TV you need some special magnetic stickers that go on the back of the tube, and for that you need to open the TV up. I might give it a go but I really don't have a workspace big enough to open up a 32" TV. This thing is a monster and I think I can live with the flaws it has if it means not having to fix it.
>>342204437
Whatever you can find is a good option. That's the general rule of thumb when it comes to PVMs unless you can afford to pay eBay prices.
>>342204587
Thanks man, can you specifically tell me where the convergeance issue is with the pokemon picture? I was told my TV suffers from it, but couldn't figure out what they were talking about? I have a feeling it's just the shitty camera I took the picture with, but who knows
>>342196573
>not having a giant trinitron in your room for all your retro needs
ayyyyyy
>>342204532
I have a job, car, and money to live comfortably friendo. I could probably easily save up for some form of CRT or monitor, but again space is an issue and bills do exist. Thanks for the life advice though.
>>342204587
I converge. You converge. He- she- me... converges. Converge; converging; We'll have thee converge; convergeorama; convergeology; the study of concergence. It's first grade, anon!
>>342204773
Not the same guy who pointed it out, but it looks like it's in the corners, which is the most common place to have convergeance issues. Most PVMs don't have problems with convergeance, but it's fairly common in consumer-grade TVs. Like I said, it can be fixed but you need a work area big enough to open up the TV and work on it.
>>342204879
excuses. Pay your bills, eat a TINY bit less, & buy a PVM with all your spare mountain dew & cheeto money. You don't even have to cut back much, just eat a LITTLE less junk food.
If you can't do that then just end yourself.
>>342204915
Well, not always. Sometimes the service menu could be all you need if the problem is slight but for the love of god, white down ALL VALUES or at least record everything on your phone so that if you fuck things up. you can go back to initial settings.
This shit that needs to be done slowly, patiently, with patterns, and with degree by degree changes and precisions, not changing setting Y to value Z and hoping for the best.
>>342204532
How does one save up without a job?
>>342204915
>area big enough to open up the TV and...
STOP STOP STOP
CRTs are essentially giant lightbulbs, & messing around inside one without proper, PROPER knowledge can
FUCKING
KILL YOU
This is not a joke. Don't fool around inside a tube TV without the proper research & precautions.
>>342196573
Yes
>>342203790
When this shit will be reverse engineered for the $5 version?
>>342205231
Indeed. Even after being disconnected for a years, there could still be a deadly charge. You should only open up a CRT in an ESD-free zone and be knowledgeable or hire someone who has that knowledge to hire you. NEVER fuck around with one if you don't know your left from your dick.
>>342205225
>don't have a job
>but on the internet
>posting on the internet from your parent's house
You know what, fuck it. If you have no income, then you don't deserve one. I know that's harsh, but you're not going to enjoy playing on something you don't even own. You're just going to ruin the experience for yourself.
>>342205225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzpx9YZxK4o
>>342204587
Also most CRT monitors have screws or thumb screws that you can move to adjust convergence.
>>342205396
>If you have no income, then you don't deserve one.
Yea, because its not like I haven't been searching for a job for the past year or anything like that.
>>342205118
Yeah, I always save before I change anything, and I always make a note of the original value before I start changing anything. I also try to look up what each value means before I make changes.
I was definitely able to make imporvements from the service menu, although the convergence and horizontal bowing on my 32" Trinitron were not fixable through it, and I suspect the TV will have to be opened up if I'm going to do anything more for it.
My 10" Trinitron is the one that had the least problems. It's not quite as sharp as the 32", but the geometry on it has very few problems at all, and I suspect it's because it's easier to keep geometry consistent when manufacturing smaller screens.
>>342205231
Yeah I didn't give a proper warning but I'm well aware of the dangers. I'm not going to go sticking my fingers in anything without discharging the tube, and doing it the right way.
>>342205905
Smaller is totally easier in the battle of perfect geometry and the like!
God forbid i you have to fix convergence AND geometry issues on a 34 inch XBR 16:9 trinitron though. Woe was me that summer...
>>342205675
Yeah, that's another nice thing about them. A lot of things that are a pain to adjust on a TV have dedicated knobs or buttons on a PVM.
>>342205841
You don't "search" for a job you fucking retard.
You get a job through your friends, family, & other connections. If you have none of those to get yourself employed, then your existence is god's failure & you should just kill yourself. It's literally 100% connections.
>>342206183
>connections
Friends are on temp jobs, moms only connection failed.
I have no choice but to search, but at least I'm searching daily. Can't help it if I never get called though. Maybe it's my unemployment gap or interview skills or dare I say lack of white skin, but nothing works at this point.
>>342206689
Well then you're pretty much fucked. Can you sell your stuff garage sale style on eBay at least?
>bought into the digital games propaganda & don't actually own any physical games to resell
Well I tried at least. Maybe go to a goodwill & hope you get lucky.
>>342196573
CRTs are at least great for rhythm games, fuck calibrating lag for newer TVs.
>>342206689
Just keep applying to shit jobs like Walmart that have a high turnaround rate, they have pretty low standards.
>>342206929
I do sell stuff on ebay and amazon.
Not enough to get taxed but not enough to live on either.
I don't have the drive to do this as a full time job though, and sales have been slow lately. Would prefer a full time job with a steady pay over this, but I've got to eat somehow I guess.
Until then I'll keep submitting my resume.
>>342207443
>jobless for over a year
>applying for jobs where you just send your resume
I hate to say it but lower your standards.
>>342206689
You sound quite a lot like me, although with the difference I live in a third world country. It's useless, my applications are ignored and no one ever calls me, and if they do I can't get past the second job interview... At this rate I've realized that deep inside myself there's a fear that's making me fail and to look like a worthless person to others.
Having only a 1990 CRT TV feels like a punishment yet I feel like I have what I deserve.
>>342208012
Try tutoring in the meantime
