>consoles now aiming for 4k30fps instead of 1080p60fps
When will this graphics faggotry end?
60fps is pretty much the only reason I play on PC. How someone actively accepts sub par framerates on consoles is beyond me. Most of the games coming out barely reach a steady 30fps and they dip in framerates EVERYWHERE
Fuck this industry
Because console players aint autistic enough to let fps stop them from playing a great game totalbiscuit but if a game looks like shit no one going to touch it..
>30 fps is bad
nice meme
>>342182243
It's worse than 60 by a mile
Fuck off with your 60fps meme.
>consoles now aiming for 4k30fps
lol
>>342182416
Its a non issue
if it's 4k 30fps wouldn't that mean it's 1080p 120fps?
the human eye can't even see past 34fps anyways
it's hilarious when PCucks cry about framerates
ITT : obvious trolls
As a PC gamer who has played fallout 4 on both (ps4 version at friends house) I can state very obvious differences.
Loading-on PC I have 2-8 second wait times, on ps4 I have had roughly 1-2 minute wait times.
GraphX- I didn't care.
Frame rate- PC (GTX 970 strix) fps from 48-60 (maximum monitor Hertz is 60), ps4 10-30 fps constantly.
Controls- controllers are a joke.
Verdict- ps4=a nice plug and play but fuck is it annoying, I choose PC any day.
If you take this in reference you will note that their "projected" output will never happen. 4K and 60 fps plus on a console is just a joke.
>>342182226
I would argue there is something wrong with a person who can put up with 30fps, not the other way around, friendo.
With 90-120 fps becoming the next PC staple, I cannot comprehend how anyone in their right mind would be accepting of target 30 dipping to 20 or less fucking frames per second. Especially in titles which see horrendously unstable frame time in addition.
It is actually physically unpleasant to look at unstable 30.
Hell, once you've changed to even 90fps, 60 becomes unpleasant.
Framerate matters MUCH more than visual fidelity, especially simple resolution. I will never understand sacrificing fps under 60 to achieve greater resolutions.
>Consoles promise 4K
>Most games end up being 1440p 25fps
Calling it now
>>342183284
I know this is a "troll", but for the sake of subhumans who might actually be convinced by this nonsense:
The human eye does not see in fucking "frames".
I've read military researchers suggesting the eye could potentially be capable of detecting variables in framerate into the hundreds of thousands per second.
>>342184190
>I would argue there is something wrong with a person who can put up with 30fps
shows how autistic you are.
>>342184190
This.
I would rather lower a game's graphics settings beyond the intended minimum to play with stable FPS than suffer any drop from max. I can even live with 30 FPS if it's stable and there isn't a better alternative. If it drops below 30, that's just unplayable.
>>342184598
Except there is measurable physical strain on the eye scaling with a reduction in framerate.
So while assertions that low fps is unpleasant can be backed by physiological science, assertions that fps doesn't matter sound a hell of a lot like the aspie meme-spouting of a desperate consumer.
>>342184190
Sure, you're that special tard who need 60hz to enjoy a game. Im fine with sub 40 or even 30fps on all games i play with my low budget pc.
Been playing games with sub 40fps for nearly 2 decades, even on UT99 i limit its frame to 40fps, i remember playing hitman at 30fps and crysis on sub 30 fps later on. No complaints except bugs here and there causing game breaking issues.
>>342185097
>hz
Fuck im real sleepy now.
>>342185097
I'm sorry you accept substandard experiences.
>>342185550
>substandard
Says you, you're just a overly demanding in this aspect.
>>342185914
Did you not read his eyes get too strained from 30 fps makes it impossible to play anything that low.
>>342181951
I hate both 60 and 30 fps I personally like it around 40-45. 60 just looks unnatural and 30 is meh I'd take 30 over 60 though.
>>342185914
>>342186051
Different anon actually. But seriously, once you go 60/144 there's no going back.
I bought a PC to try some PC games. Don't care about framerate all that much, and most of these games are kind of strange genres like sims and whatnot.
I think total biscuit has an odd cult of people so very happy to have been influenced by him. It's not what he says, just that he is the one saying it. Frankly that kind of power should be used for, you know, actual good. Not tribal fuckery and bitching.
>>342186051
Not all, how strain is your eye is determined by the way your brain preceive the images. Ofcourse i prefer 60fps over anything below, but when im not a l33tMLGinsertclannamehere i dont really care and my eyes and brain adjusts to anything between 15 to 40 well enough.
I guess some people have expensive brains that cannot adapt fast enough.
>second generation consoles mostly running at 60fps while PC games entering the 3D generation running at abysmal speeds
>play consoles more
>current gen consoles focus on graphics while sacrificing speed, while PC focuses on graphics without sacrificing speed
>play PC games more
Gee I wonder what caused this to happen
>>342181951
you only really notice shit framerate when you use an accurate input device like a mouse
but console plebs use garbage controllers which are slow and clunky, so shitty framerate barely influences their already shitty gameplay
i haven't touched a console in months, and having gotten used to framerates closer to 144hz, 30fps sounds barbaric.
>release 4k console
>sudden increase in demand for 4k TV's
>both TV and console companies make money
That's the real reason.
>>342186716
>second generation consoles
I didn't know personal computers were running polygon graphics in 1977
>>342186490
I cant ague with that, my point is the "forced" 60fps is a big gimmick by itself, by the hardware manufacturers and whiny end users. Again, i'm not saying settling at 30 for everything is good, to each of its own.
Imagine crysis only startup and runs on a $400 SLI card back then. Thats what we sound like when we keep spewing 60fps is a "must".
Eye strain issue is related to the brain/eye reaction/effect. Not everyone have the same reflex or reaction.
>>342187018
shit, did I mean third gen?
>>342186664
I'd rather have my brain that accepts good framerates than yours which accepts shit.
>>342186849
This anon know his shit.
Thats why whining about 60fps on console is pure brainless rant. Let consoles have their shit, this is said by a console/pc owner.
>>342182243
Its bad because in reality it mean 25 if its a mildly intense game
>>342186162
>60 just looks unnatural
>>342186643
Whilst it is very American to believe that a particular idea began 2 minutes ago with modern celebrity X, this logic is always false, and quite frankly demented.
Advocacy of 60+ fps has existed since at least the early days of arena shooters like quake I which people began to discover the benefits of higher framerates en masse.
>>342187084
>good framerates
Nigga, i rather have zero respond latency frames instead of whining about fake placebo good bad frame issue.
Low latency frames ia good frames, you can have 60fps but having fucking slow ass response. Name a game that does that ? Post dx9 does that all the time, thanks to all the fancy effects that takes precedence over human device responsiveness.
>>342187405
Speak English, not Shakespeare.
>>342186162
Agree, 45 is not bad at all.
>>342187727
mouthbreathing troglodyte detected
>>342187727
nigga peeps been wanting 60+ fo yrs yo! just cuz buttcancer be bitchin bout 30 don mean we dun want 60+ since foever u hear me?
>>342183284
Even if this were true consoles cannot even reach that number. They drop in frame rates to the low 20s or even the teens all the times
>>342181951
Who the fuck even has a 4K television? This shit is ridiculous.
Computer gaming peeked with the Apple 2E. Everything is shit now to be quite honest.
>>342187904
Bitch, I am a troggle.
>>342186849
While it doesn't affect input the way it does on a mouse, the literal lack of frames sure is real fucking noticeable on a plain visual level, my friend.
When I go back to a 30 FPS game it's fucking migraine-inducing. Takes some time to adjust to, and you better hope it's the only thing you're going to be playing for a while.
>>342181951
just find a new hobby. cinema is easy to make.
>>342188346
4k TVs are super cheap.
I moved into a new place about 2 years ago and picked up a new 4k screen for 400 bucks (AUD).
There is no great leap in technology from 1080p to 4k TV wise, so it isn't expensive.
You just need really powerful hardware to run anything at that resolution.
>>342187936
Not him but again, its a luxury for having 60fps. Face it, people can either afford it or choose whether they "want" it. Its not a need, self proclaimed custard race keep spewing 60fps is a must down peoples throat is autistic.
Its like forced racial diversification or open relationships on everyone.
I think i see the future where there will be a new meme defense force that demands 60/120fps and disregard image quality and don't mind the muddy texture.
>>342189520
While playing D44m, I decided to put everything at medium/low so I could reach 60 fps. And I was doing better at the game. Playing it was a lot more fluid, and I could react to enemies better.
I played on a toaster for years. My new high quality toaster is the first time I could ever get close to 60 in current gen games. I find the different very noticeable for some games.
>>342189520
It isn't so much 60fps that is necessary as a stable fps that is necessary. Consoles are having trouble keeping a stable 30 with modern games because developers are overambitious with visual fidelity and don't typically include graphics options in console games.
If it was a constant 30 I probably wouldn't care. Your eyes would adjust even if it were a stable 20. But when it drops, it looks ugly and, more importantly, has an impact on gameplay.
>>342189520
>60FPS is a luxury
>>342190106
Read
>>342190063
I rest my case.
>>342189857
Being said , yeah i do the same thing too. Medium low is the lowest i can get , of the game doesn't run 30-40fps with med low then its time for hardware change. Thats where console cucks laugh about $299+100+100++ console killer when upgrades is needed to maintain 40fps on new games, pc never meant to kill consoles, pc just there overshadow them.
I never actually played my games at lower than medium presets just to achieve 60fps. Even on 40 i still pwn faggots back at ut99/quake or even the newer ut3. When internet is in play, factors like connection latency plays a larger role.
>>342181951
Only one aiming for 4K was the Scorpio with those "native 4K" boasts last week that Phil Spencer's gradually moved away from.
30 wouldn't even be that bad if it was at least stable but they cant even do that
>>342184997
Citation required
>>342187283
Look at the Hobbit movies, the films were comfy in it's uncanny valley, even when you knew there wasn't any cg I'm a scene
60fps < 24fps in the theatrical movie business
Also outside of tryhard E-Sport MLG pro wannabe games 60fps isn't really important
>mfw a consolefag kowtows to the console manufacturers who continue to sell him overpriced, underpowered hardware near me
>>342183730
>fallout 4
>>342187405
Wut? Consoles have been capable of 60fps since their inception.
>>342189857
Pluh-See-Bow
You like your sugar pills nice and sweet I bet
>>342187283
60 fps looks like they just the up the game speed up 2x
30 is acceptable for me. I understand that it might not be financially worth it for a developer to try and achieve 60fps while keeping nice graphics that can sell the game. Any game that dips below 30 gets me angry.
