So since the PTR has been out for a week how are we feeling about this.
>>342178443
I like it.
I actually like it, I feel like most of the homogenization was removed with the class re-works.
But it's unbalanced as fuck and needs fixing before it's official.
Iffy. Doing damage is fun again but losing a fuckton of utility is putting me off.
>>342179228
But the utility was the problem. What's the point of having groups if every class can solo everything?
Specs which feel completely different:
Enhancement Shaman
Discipline Priest
Combat (Outlaw) Rogue
Mistweaver Monk
Blood Death Knight
Survival Hunter
In general two things I find to be common with Legion class design is firstly that there has been a fairly significant ability reduction and secondly there is less of an emphasis on managing resources but instead pressing abilities on a more frequent basis. The specs don’t feel quite as fun to play as the current design but with the artefact this could change. Tank damage is probably the most disappointing thing to come out of these changes as it is absurdly low. I can give specifics about every class specialization if anyone is interested.
>>342178443
Just hopped on ptr for my BM and I fucking love it. I was planning on dropping my sub this month, but now I'm in it for at least another 3 months. Going to take some getting used to with no arcane shot and the new cds, but it feels really nice right now. The mog collection is stellar too.
I'm still not hyped about the story and haven't seen enough of the zones to judge them, but Legion is the first expansion ive ever preordered.
>>342178443
I'm very uneasy about playing a pure DPS class due to artifacts. Until you max out your main artifact, which may take a while due to costs becoming progressively higher, you are gimping yourself by not putting all your points into your main artifact. If you choose the "wrong" spec and invest all your points on its' artifact then you are making a massive mistake. The only viable pure specs will be the well-rounded ones with low ramp-up and decent AoE e.g. Outlaw and Destruction.
wait what, the prepatch is out ? Did the game change
>>342178443
Is that an evil Broken behind Illidan or a weird half-orc/Dranei
>>342180180
On PTR.
>>342180217
That's Akama
Hows Arms in the PTR?
I hated how they gutted the fuck outta Arms in WoD.
Battlegrounds are still a mess.
>>342180635
Arms is fantastic.
>>342180397
The lead up book made him seem much softer and reluctant then that evil-looking gormless face shows
Took a while for me to make Beast Mastery feel as good as it currently does in WoD. I still think the cooldown timers are weirdly spaced out, and it leaves a lot of dead time where you're really not doing anything, but a few talent choices can minimize that.
>>342179751
Are Frost and Unholy DKs rad? I'm currently frost ( Switched from Unholy during WoD), and I was wondering what would be good to go with.
>>342180779
>Whirlwind and Slam spamming
>Fantastic
>>342179751
Tell me about blood DK. Been playing blood for a long time and quite like how it is on live (though I miss Heart strike)
I actually like how skills feel engaging
Shame I wont be able to resub until the Patch finally drops.
Probably 2 weeks from now.
>>342181026
You forgot colossus smash and overpower.
My friend used to play Fury, but he's essentially quit WoW out of anger and frustration with how shit they made it in WoD. I don't play a Fury myself, my Warrior is Arms, but could anyone who does let me know how it feels compared to WoD and MoP's variation?
>>342181019
DKs now have universal runes and a fairly independent set of diseases. Unholy doesn't need any stacks to do the dark transformation and there's less emphasis on resource management. Probably the best aspect to unholy is you can get two pets and also change your ghoul to an abomination which has more abilities.
Frost felt pretty similar to how it does now but even easier because blood plague isn't even available. Additionally frost is now purely a one handed spec.
>>342179484
Group content requires groups regardless. Now we just have less tools to utilize.
>>342181234
colussus smash is a 45 second cd
>>342181340
I might switch to Unholy, then. I remember being a younger kid and hoping that they'd let me get more ghouls in the future, like I could be a cool dude hanging out with undead dudes.
Thanks for the response, anon.
I'm probably going to resub at some point.
But not at launch. That launch for WoD is the worst experience I've ever had playing video games.
>>342180224
And when public ?
>>342181587
The artifact weapon's ability for unholy is like a second, weaker army of the dead on a shorter CD
Looks tight
>>342181720
Stuff is usually on the PTR for 3-4 weeks. So probably mid to late July.
I don't think you need an active sub to play the PTR though.
>>342181690
Why? Aside from the connection and server meltdown issues the first two or three days, WoD's first month was its best time. For a while, people were even saying it was the best expac since WotLK.
>>342178443
They ruined sub rogue.
They can go fuck themselves.
I'm not playing their shit expansion and I'm not falling for their "we prumis moar content now xd it was a mistake :) "
I actually have no idea how to play this game.
I get all my chars from boosts, I need to get carried in BGs and I don't even touch arena.
WoW is not easy I have no idea what people are talking about. Too many fucking buttons and random shit to deal with.
>>342181587
Unholy is pretty fun right now.
>>342181970
That is correct, you don't need a sub to try things out on ptr. It's an excellent time for those of us who dropped out because of WoD to decide whether or not it will be worth coming back for Legion.
PRE
PATCH
WHEN?
>>342182094
> doturds getting confused when there is more than 4 buttons
>>342181069
For starters heart strike is back and is pretty much what you spam at a cost of 1 rune to generate runic power. Death strike now costs 40 runic power and heals you as usual. This alone doesn't suffice as protection and has to be used in combination with a new ability called marrowrend which uses 2 runes but grants you bone shield with 3 charges attached to it but each time you use an ability it reduces that charge by 1, You need to keep bone shield up because it gives you haste and reduces all damage by 20%. Additionally blood boil is charge based with 2 charges and a 7.5 second cooldown.
So it felt fairly weird switching between marrowrend and death strike but the worst thing is the damage is way down. At least bloodworms are back as a talent.
So what else from Chronicle and the Illidan book is the expansion retconning already?
>>342182176
~4 weeks away
>>342179751
tank dps was always cancer, anyone that wants to go back to MoP self-sufficiency is a retard
>>342182254
Shut the fuck up. WoW is
>follow your class flowchart
>don't stand in the fire
Its on the same level as ASSFAGGGOTS.
>>342182254
You can do decently at most specs only using 4 buttons
He's just retarded
>>342182424
THAT'S TOO LONG
>>342182094
Well if you're looking for an easy class in Legion look no further than arcane mage
BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY THEIR ENTIRE SET OF ABILITIES RIGHT HERE
>>342182094
WoW is shit since you need gear to do well, and until then you just have to get destroyed over and over until you scrap together enough points to reach the viable ilvl. Gear should be just aesthetic for PvP.
legacy servers when
Aff feels so weird. I feel like I'm missing spells or something, it just doesn't feel right despite my dps being good.
Do I literally only dump soul shards on unstable aff?
>>342182647
It pretty much is in Legion.
Ele shamans shit yet again.
News at 11
>>342182647
>Gear should be just aesthetic for PvP.
you can do bgs/arena naked on legion.
>>342182647
I just love when people complain about games they have done no research on.
>>342182647
It is in legion. Every ilvl past 800 literally only gives you a .01% stats boost in pvp.
>>342182846
Hey at least you get to keep your elementals
>>342182621
what the fuck
So you can't even frostbolt as arcane?
Whats those two on the top right?
for some reason I get annoyed by the fact that people are still playing this.
>>342182647
>MFW he hasn't tried the Ironman Challenge
>>342182969
no you can't
invisibility and time warp
>>342183026
>mfw when he think mememan challenge is hard or fun
I have no face because you're a faggot
>>342182621
Even balance druids have more spells.
>>342183026
>purposefully gimping yourself to make the game harder
I hate this argument. You can make any game hard by doing shit like that.
>>342183091
of course they do, druids are the chosen class
>>342182660
>Warlock post vanilla
Theres your issue.
>>342181870
>>342182159
I'm wondering if I should just drop Blood and go for Unholy, I like the twin swords but I'm starting to feel nostalgic for unholy. It's a tough choice.
>>342183260
Then it appears we've reached an impasse...
>>342183205
Fun for leveling. Annoying for raiding.
>>342183287
Frost is kinda boring I mean you spam hb(only if you have a rime proc), obliterate and frost strike the whole time, no downtime or anything just hardcore spamming of those skills.
>>342182846
In pvp ele shamans can dumpster on kids easy.
>>342182987
That seems pretty normal on /v/, everyone seems to get angry when someone likes something they don't like.
>>342183514
Now that you mention it, frost doesn't really have anything particularly interesting going on, it's just "hit stuff with blue glow" the class.
>>342182901
Wait seriously?
>>342183287
I'd say the reason you should drop blood is if you don't like how tanks in general play, and no other reason
The only reason to swap off a tank spec is to get away from tanking, and with the changes being made, it's hard to blame you
>>342183702
Maybe I'll hold onto it just for doing casual things with friends, or fast queues. Having two dps specs seems kinda counter-productive.
>>342183514
>>342183676
that's how frost has always been
>>342178443
Vast majority of class changes are horseshit. I was really hoping for better considering the rest of Legion looks pretty good to me, minus the order hall missions, but I can't shell out the cash for an expansion when the classes all play like such boring crap.
>>342183863
I'm starting to wonder why I was attracted to it in the first place
>>342183402
>Fun for leveling. Annoying for raiding.
Destruction was a lot of fun in Wrath. Minimal pet management and the rotation wasn't tedious.
>>342183828
They're doing away with dual spec, you'll be able to swap to either of the other specs without having to visit a trainer in legion, the question is though, which is going to be your main?
>>342179751
>Not mentioning the assraping that Ret paladins are taking
>Literal removal of hand of wrath and emancipate
>supplication now has the opposite effect where it is only triggered when people die
Fuck man for as long as I've played ret they've never been competitive enough to run rbgs since LOLdks and warriors always take the spot and now they're getting gimped to fuck.
>>342183686
yes anon
seriously
>>342179484
Utility wasn't the problem.
They're limiting the player and what they can do because they're too lazy to up the challenge on their content.
Lowering the skill cap of my classes for whatever reason, is unacceptable to me.
>>342183993
I think I've decided on unholy, I'm starting to fondly remember my time as one throughout WoLK, Cat, and MoP. I appreciate your help, anons
Still testing the waters with each toon. Debating who I'll main. Anything by a Paladin as I mained that in WoD. Holding off until Demon Hunters are playable before making a choice.
>>342184254
The only problem with unholy (and most specs) in the ptr is the lack of artifact. Most specs are balanced around with but you can't get them till legion.
>2016
>1,000,000 health blood DKs in ashran
I shit you not.
>>342178443
The PTR says Warlords of Draenor still?
Can I try Demon Hunter or anything?
>>342184385
>The PTR says Warlords of Draenor still?
Is a prepatch ptr.
>Can I try Demon Hunter or anything?
No DH just the revamped specs.
>>342184374
Weird.
>>342184374
Artifact doesnt fix shit for 70% of specs
>>342184607
It increase damage, change rotations and other kind of shit.
>>342179138
Wow has been unbalanced in one way or another since its been released.
>>342178443
Classes have lost so many tools I don't know what they expect pvp to look like in Legion. PvE you'll still do your boring old dps/tank rotations and it's up to the encounters to make them fun but pvp isn't getting any new BGs or world zones or anything and every single spec is losing the majority of their utility and tools so you're just gonna be spamming damage at people.
Hell they haven't even done any tuning passes for pvp on the beta yet, let alone actual mechanic changes. PvP has been dead for nearly all of WoD and I can't see it getting any better now.
>>342184676
>increases damage
big fucking surprise, a weapon boosts damage. Its still horifically unbalanced
>changes rotations
only a handful of artifacts can be used frequently enough to change your rotation, most are just a CD
>other kinds of shit
none of which fixes major problems. Im playing at cap in beta and its awful too
>>342183091
>bliizard sucks off druids again
What a shock.
I think there is no telling without artifact weapons. Some classes need them to function.
>>342184676
It doesn't really change anything for the majority of classes. Unholy's artifact is a really good one with an interesting active ability and passives that all affect the main rotation and give you good burst options but most of the other specs are just a bunch of boring passives that don't interact with anything and a single active that you'll just stack with your trinkets and other cds.
I mean shit, look at sub's artifact. The major passives in it aren't even functioning correctly.
>>342179751
>For the love of god tell me about Shaman.
I haven't played since MoP and Resto/Enhancement were fun as fuck. Don't tell me they've ruined it.
>>342184938
If you want to see a bad artifact look at survival
NO gameplay changes, half the passives are only usable for soloing world mobs and everything else is literally meaningless
>>342184820
>it's horrifically unbalanced
i'm actually going to disagree with this one
By giving every player using a particular spec the same weapon, blizzard can tune numbers easier
If a spec isn't doing enough damage they can just throw more numbers at the weapon, and because nobody else can use it, it will only effect the spec
It's up to them to make it work in their favor though
Still feels too early to know what specs will be strong or weak with the beta still going on. Enhancement does mongoloid levels of damage, but there's absolutely no way it ships out like that on day 1. Same for demon hunters and possibly frost/unholy. Hasn't stopped people from having complete meltdowns on the forums and in trade on the PTR though.
Who /retadin/ here
>>342184240
But it's not like vanilla had more spells than this and it was plenty hard.
>>342185396
but they havent, and thats the point
Furthermore, because artifacts can all be progressed they dont have the specs all doing the same damage. Maybe they are equal with 0 traits but when you start throwing in new traits it goes out of whack
>>342185659
time consumpting and tedious isnt hard. vanilla being hard meme needs to stop already
>>342185396
There's no way that some broken as fuck synergy between trinkets/legendaries/artifact traits isn't going to make it onto live.
>>342185874
difficulty will always create "tedious" gameplay, it was harder fucboi
>>342185874
I think the real issue is that vanilla has a mythical feel to it for a lot of people to the point where they only want to play vanilla because that was when everything was new.
Its nostalgia. There were tons of shitty things about vanilla, and BC, and Wrath, but since its not 'live' we tend to gloss over these things.
This happens only with a few MMOs, like SWG where they change the game so drastically people just want the old game back.
>Final quest in DK campaign still bugged
I-I just want to be a Deathlordand raise Darion as the 4th horseman after we fuck up and fail to raise Tirion
>>342186160
The problem with that is that SWG was actually good before they ruined it.
>>342185396
Disagree with you.
There is going to be unbalance due to the fault of the game design itself
With Druid and DH it's demonstrated that they can truncate and add specs when necessary and atm they have way too many of both, everything can be silmed down one way or another or add a different way to play.
They could easy cut down the specs, but I'm like everyone else is gonna give it a try,.
>>342186061
>trinkets
ah shit forgot about those
>>342186257
>raise darion
he's already undead senpai
>>342185054
Hunters have got it pretty bad in Legion, but I still think sub rogues got shit on the worse. You know how they backpedaled on the baseline Lone Wolf change for MM and ended up making it a talent? They did the same thing for sub but instead what they removed was the core mechanic that the entire spec revolved around, they didn't make it a talent but replaced it with the shitty, clunky shadowdance charge system, and they didn't even change all the other shit that relied on constant restealths to work. Instead they just added more crappy, shortsighted stuff as bandaid fixes that just make the spec less fun, like the +20% damage maintenance buff that you have to keep up now, can only use while stealthed or sdancing, is on the gcd, and costs so much energy that refreshing it with sdance means you just lost 1/3rd of your sdance time and energy.
Energy regen is absolute shit but the spec also throws combo points at you like no tomorrow which makes it flow like shit. The only slow it has is tied to a DoT finisher with a really low duration. Whereas sdance is fun to use on live because it means you can either burst or throw out heavy CC with your stealth skills, in Legion it's only good for maintaining your shitty self-buff and getting off one or two shadowstrikes.
And the worst part is when they made these changes to sdance they removed the bar-paging functionality that made sdance call up your stealth bar. COMPLETELY removed it, so you can't even call up your stealth bar with a macro or add-on anymore. Which means you need to have every stealth ability you'd want to use while sdancing bound on your normal, non-stealth hotbars/keybinds which makes the stealth bar fucking pointless in the first place.
Between this and the combat/outlaw changes Rogue went from being my favorite class to pure shit that I'd reroll from instantly if I was even picking up Legion at all. Assassination is ok, but only because it's practically the same spec.
>>342185659
I don't give a shit about the grind, I want challenge in mechanics, reaction times, and prediction.
I played Vanilla and the "difficulty" there was time investment, which I don't mind but really don't care for.
I don't play this game for the MMO shit anymore, I play it to be challenged in arenas and mythic raiding, and instead of creating an environment where I can stand out, they're trying to slap me in line with shitters I want nothing to do with.
>>342185396
Reminder that this is what they said about the Mastery stat, talent changes from Wrath through WoD, and a billion other shitty class changes over the years.
And in the end they NEVER fucking use these crappy systems to tune numbers easier. They still never do big balancing patches during expansions because "oh we don't want to confuse all the retards out there so we only make big changes when new expansions launch, you'll have to buy the next one if you want us to fix it"
>>342186160
No not that, the story was clear and unbroken, how come in Vanilla BC and WOTLK there were things that were bad but the game was generally good? Lore was fine, the story was fine, everything was updated. Like patches are 60% class, 40% lore updates.
Then came Catalyscm which is deemed a "reset" except they didn't reset anything. Outland and Northrend should of been closed down as well as several dungeons and raids and reused in COT. Now the story is broken, Blizzard doesn't care about the lore and everythign is appearing in multiples.
They haven't thought the game through.
>>342186428He gets fucked up real bad when you try to storm Light's hope and raise Tirion. You basically raise him from the dead again as the 4th horseman after he uses the last of his energy to make a portal to escape to Acherus.
>>342186435
>Between this and the combat/outlaw changes Rogue went from being my favorite class to pure shit that I'd reroll from instantly if I was even picking up Legion at all. Assassination is ok, but only because it's practically the same spec.
What's going on with subtly?
>>342186675
why do we have to be the only class in game to actually lose in our class quests again.
hows demo lock?
>>342186659
I don't know what game you've been playing anon.
Vanilla->wrath felt like you went out to the sea in the middle of fuck where and talked to an elemental then ran to winterspring then 60 minutes later you turned the quest in after killing eighty bears to raise your rep.
Remember the Waterlords rep questline for MC? Like that, that shit kept the game alive. Now they just throw shit at you and theres no struggle, just button mashing.
>>342182094
Pick a fucking class, read a guide, read the tool tips, and level it from 1-100 yourself using no boosts, heirlooms or anything; doing as much dungeoning as you possibly can
If you don't get the ropes by at least level 80 you're pretty shit and should just uninstall the game.
WoW is shit anyway nowadays
>30g download for a game I already have installed
JUST
Reminder that WoW is casual trash just like every other Blizzard product and that you should avoid these shill threads
>>342186951
>to actually lose in our class quests again.
the light hope chapel is not your class hall
>>342187130
what?
I said that we lose in a class quest. We go to get tirion, and lol the light stops us and we have to retreat like hurt puppies out of super secret paladin hall due to it. No other class in game go in legion loses a mission they undergo in, not like that
Hype as fuck
>mfw I got three of my friends back into the game
I feel kinda dirty... They were clean for like 2 years.
>>342187123
anyway to get around this bullshit?
>>342186814
If you never played rogue before, you might like it. If you liked rogue already, you probably won't like it. Every spec is losing shit that had been part of the rogue's toolkit since vanilla. Assassination is the only spec that gets poisons and garrotte now, for example. Outlaw is an even more boring and barebones spec than Combat currently is, and is only made enjoyable through an RNG maintenance buff that is so inconsistent that you could do godly DPS on one pull and pure shit on the next, and if you want to spec into a consistent replacement then the spec has absolutely nothing going on. Sub is entirely different, which is not necessarily bad, but in this case it is absolutely bad because the whole thing plays like complete shit. Nothing interacts with each other at all. The artifact ability and passives are terrible. You have less options than before. Shadowdance doesn't ping the stealth bar. Massive energy problems. Shadowdance in general feels terrible to use since the duration is such shit, you have to use it to keep up a maintenance buff, and it's up to RNG on how often you're regaining Shadowdance charges.
I always suspected that subtlety ended up as good as it did from cata to wod purely by accident, and this rogue revamp makes me certain that was the case.
>>342187326
When you can use addiction metaphors and not even be ironic you know your 'game' is really just a skinner box that sucks money.
>>342187296
Oh sorry I get it nowTHE LIGHT ABANDON NO MAN YOU UNHOLY MONSTER
>>342187443
I have been a rogue since vanilla but I was thinking of rerolling dh.
>>342187443
>Shadowdance doesn't ping the stealth bar.
What the fuck man
>Barrage
>one-stun kills
>Overpower
>>342187502
the worst part is that considering how mind-boggling selfless tirion is, and how he actually considered becoming the new lich king before bolvar stepped in, I think he would be totally okay being raisen as the fourth horseman. Aka it's just the silver han being little bitches a usual.
>>342178443
Windwalker feels way better, Mistweaver feels like shit. Hopefully the latter gets better at 110.
Why should I give a fuck about Legion over another MMO like FFXIV?
>>342187604
Yep.
Like I said, the worst part is that they completely removed that functionality. You can't do it even through macros or add-ons. Now you've got to have all your sdance skills bound seperately from your other rotational skills.
And after a shit ton of complaints Celestalon said it was intended and not a bug, that it was supposed to make our hotbars seem less empty since they removed so much shit.
>>342182621
As a facerolling arcane mage since 3.1 I can approve of this. It got convoluted during mist and warlords.
>>342187502
>but I was thinking of rerolling dh.
Demon Hunters are barely half a class. Two specs, with absolutely minimal amounts of abilities. Pretty much ALL their utility spells were ripped straight out of the Death Knight spellbook.
>>342187491
$15/month is trivial for the amount of time you get out of it.
That aside.. I don't play for the skinner box mechanics. I'm too old for that, full time job. I play to experience the world, quests, try all the classes, etc..
Legion is going to be awesome for me. All those class quests.. Suramar.. Great shit
>>342187694
>Mistweaver feels like shit
explain, it looked like it was getting much better
>>342187843
>not playing fem demon hunter with huge futa cock
>>342182621
It's been like that since Wrath.
It's all about dat mana management..
>>342187347
you could used to copy and paste the retail data folder to the ptr data folder and it would shrink the download
>>342188004
the Mana management Mastery is removed in Legion.
>decide to try ptr
>it downloads a little bit
>its now playable
>37gb left
>>342181340
>frost is now purely a one handed spec
>>342182621
ret paladins are 100% easier. Arcane charges require SOME management; Paladins just need to spend their holy power every 3 button presses.
>>342188004
Mana management started in cata. Arcane in wrath was AB AB AB AB arcane missile. Repeat
how long does ptr last?
>>342187843
Still better than the rogue
Not sure if I'll return. Haven't played in a while, since just after Tanaan Jungle went live.
However, if I do play again, it's between Enhance/Resto Shaman or Guardian Druid. I hope neither of them feel like shit in Legion. I haven't tanked a raid since Wrath, so that makes me want to pick up my good old bear again.
>>342188053
Wait.. Did they remove evocation?
>>342183205
Put up coe then spam showbolt. Wow so complex
>>342188263
nah you still destroy your mana, you're just not punished for doing it anymore (aside from being unable to cast spells when you run out, obviously)
>>342188243
im going to test enha shaman right now
>>342188263
No, but overall it's vastly reducing the need to manage your mana. Your Mastery gives you more Mana in Legion, and it doesn't affect your damage at all.
You still have the burn/conserve. It just doesn't matter at all if you fuck up because Arcane Power doesnt last long enough to dump all your mana anyway.
>>342188201
What did they do to rogue?
>>342188408
Let me know how you feel about it.
>>342188608
Going to set my bars and test enha
>>342182094
I want to believe this is a satire of the kind of players progressively ruining this game.
>>342188408
I like what they did to Enhance. I was a fan of Enhance back in Wrath, and I hated how they kept adding more and more shit it since then. Simplifying it back down was a good move.
>>342187942
Effuse and Vivify both feel like the exact same ability, except one also heals 2 nearby friends as well. Ideally Vivify would be used for AoE damage and Effuse would be used for single target, but right now there's no reason not to just spam Vivify since mana's not an issue.
Stances are gone, which means you can do your melee rotation without having to switch stances. Problem is if you're like me your healing buttons were different for each stance, so you gotta re-teach yourself how to melee if you ever plan on doing that.
Speaking of the melee rotation, it's pretty bland. You only have three buttons, and you basically just go 1-2-1-3-1-3-1-3-1-2, while occasionally replacing a 3 with a 2 depending on an RNG proc
And the icing on the shit cake is that none of your talents feel any different from live, except now if you want your Jade Serpent Statue you gotta talent for it. The only one that feels new is Mist Wrap which lets you channel your straw while moving, but once mana becomes an issue you'll probably end up taking Lifecycles which is just a boring static increased healing.
I could go on but you probably get the idea.
>>342188179
Nah, paladins now have their own version of colossus smash that they need to take into account
>>342188894
It has an 8 second duration and an 11 second cooldown. It doesn't even need to be managed.
>>342184919
They are still sucking off druids but only after they broke their legs first.
Is it possible to play Warcraft 3/Throzen Throne on Windows 10?
>>342188824
Is fistweaving viable or just gone entirely now?
>>342189210
Yes. And Diablo 2.
The thing I'm most excited for is the transmog update.
>>342188608
>>342188782
I don't like the fact that we lost flame shock but fuck it the maelstrom generation is good, you have a few ways to use it not to mention you have to manage several buffs like boulderfist and flametongue.
>mfw using sundering
WEW LAD
>>342182085
Fuck rogues. Glad you're gone.
>>342189331
Fistweaving's completely gone. You can still do your melee rotation which doesn't cost mana anymore, but you don't get any benefit from doing it other than a little bit of extra DPS on the boss.
>>342182159
How do I get into PTR? I want to play
Did they dumb down Arms warrior even more?
>>342189463
>warlocks
lmao
>>342189667
>Tfw they fucking removed Gladiator Warrior from the game
Stupidest fucking bullshit. Jesus christ are they fucking dumb.
HOW IS DEMO LOCK REEEEEEEEEEE
>>342189667
They actually feel better than they do on live, especially Fury.
>one hand spear
fucking finally
>>342189517
Fuck that! I always like leech healing even when it was gimp like fistweaving, so of course they remove it rather than make it even semi worth while
>>342189775
Pretty comfy tbqh senpai
just sit back and send an army of imps and doggos to do the work for you
>>342178443
a couple friends played it and said the new animations are really cool
thats all Ive heard about it.
Pirate rogue is cool and shadow priest is a complete rework again.
Feeling kinda optimistic since expansion soon but prepatch will probably end up being like 2 months long and wont be fun when legion hits
>>342189862
Do they feel anything remotely close to atleast Cata/WoTLK state?
i stopped playing when MoP hit, i felt like they dumbed the spec down way too much
I really hope Unholy doesn't become the FOTM.
I've been wanting to try them out for a while now, but it seems like everyone's getting hyped.
>>342189369
It's gimped from what was said at Blizzcon.
>>342182094
>illidanstr
>dkphobos
>moonmeander>I have the name Artour, Arteezy, ArtourBabaev, Rtz, Rtc and sever other player names across multiple realms and accounts on eu :^)
>>342189369
transmog is cancer, kill yourself catababby
>>342190050
>Pirate rogue is cool
No is not.
>shadow priest is a complete rework again.
Yes they new spriest is pretty good.
>>342190218
lmao @ your life kiddo.
>>342188520
>>342188201
Were Rogues destroyed?
>>342189463
Rogues are going to be even more annoying in pvp, so have fun with that. Sub is not nearly as fun to play but it's also unpeelable.
>>342190242
git gud shitter
I stomp scrubs like you
>>342190218
transmog is life, kill yourself neckbeard
>>342190297
Yes.
>>342187129
Go on any other video game thread and they say the exact same thing about the game they're discussing, please put a bullet through your skull, you autistic piece of human refuse.
>>342190358
consider suicide, shitter
>>342189369
>not having twin shamans and challenge mode sets
fucking plebshitter.
you will NEVA EVA
>>342190378
WHY
>been a Destro lock since BC
>all these shit changes
RANDOM DAMAGE AND TAKING AWAY BURNING EMBERS? FUCK YOU BLIZZ!
Now blizz just needs to nerf druid cyclones and I'll be happy. Fucking druids need to burn.
>Gladiator Warrior is kill
>>342191703
It was killed a long time ago breh
Like two years ago during highmaul
>>342183528
no they cant, gimme lightning bolt on the move or i aint playing that shit
guys help
in legion do i play
arms/fury warrior
whichever dk spec is cool
arcane/fire mage
or ret
I cant tell which class is good if Im rolling with greens, also we dont start at max honor, theres so me extra spells/passives/buffs with each honor tier which doesnt really determine which class I wanna play
So far I wrecked with warrior and hunter, but I feel like I could do more with balance and spriest if I could use extra shit and not get one-shotted JUST
>>342183205
Demo looks fun in legion
>>342192553
They're all goodexcept armsand blood, but that's only because tanking in general is garbage
>>342191703
really small percentage played with that talent
>>342193054
yeah so i suppose its either ret, fury, fire, arcane, or frost dk
>>342190170
no its not
>>342193283
Fire/Arcane are both garbage. Blizzard is neutering Fire so baddies can play it and making Arcane even MORE boring.
>>342178443
I want to get back to WoW /v/ help me
>went to see that shit wow movie with friends
>hated it
>yet I'm excited about being a faggy ass Illidan and want to play the game again but missed the last 2 expansions and now I have a job so can't play it 24/7 like I used to
what to do
Also I was a huge PvP tryhard, Arenas+RBGs
>>342193490
Wait i thought it was the opposite. i thought frost was garbage and arcane and fire were garbage.
okayyy so i guess i'll cross those off. desu i havent been paying attention to wow since mid mop
How are Unholy DKs shaping up?
Every fucking time.
>>342193594
All three mage specs are shit, nobody cares about Frost though because it's always been shit.
>>342193586
Just play Warcraft 3 again.
>>342193747
Okay, i guess i'll finally move away from casters then.
Ret/fury/frost dk or unholy dk
>>342184985
Enhancement is all about using shock like abilities that also give you self buffs. You build Maelstrom instead of using mana now, with the majority of your spells generating Maelstrom and Lavalash/Stormstrike consuming Maelstrom.
It's a fucking blast, having Rockbiter and Flametongue again as temporary buffs along with your Stormstrikes buffing party members when you use it gives a really good unique feeling to the class.
>>342193828
Stay the fuck away from Ret. It's awful.
Fury is looking pretty good with some of the best animations and sounds in the game. Whirlwind alone is amazing.
>>342193828
Frost if you enjoy being a walking blender.
Unholy if you enjoy diseases and ranged combat.
I hope they do a character service sale sometime before Legion. Want to make some changes.
How are healers doing this time?
>arms is finally not shit
WEW
>testing fire
>all them new effects
>huge fire around my hands
>flying phoenix out of nowhere
Playing make never look so good
>>342193648
Are you one of those guys who cares about the pointless leveling process?
>>342194352
Too bad it basically boils down to two buttons.
>>342194568
Arcane mage here, thats twice as much buttons as we've had for most of WOD
>>342194568
I would say 3 because is fireball, inferno blast and pyroblast.
hows moonkin?
How are Rogues doing?
>>342194501
it's so great having a huge world that's 98% pointless
>>342194851
Assassination is the same, they add more dots I think.
Combat is super shitty right now because they removed insight and now is all about using a rng finisher.
Subt is pretty shitty compared to what he have now.
>>342194827
it's been overhauled in a huge way
AGAIN!
other than that I've got no idea
>>342194965
Assassination lost Dispatch but added Garrote as another DoT.
>>342195034
did they remove the shitty cycling crap?
>>342195095
Yes.
>>342194886
It had a point in its day, but its illogical to go into Legion and whine about non Legion content. Either way, levels are archaic and should outright be removed from the game.
>>342179968
>no arcane shot
what the fuck is blizzard goddamn doing?
>just remove all the iconic OLD FUCKING ABILITIES EHHEHEHEH
shitties goddamn company, of course they made that shithouse of warcraft movie. only they could fuck it up that bad LMAO.
>>342194965
I hope they "fix" Outlaw Rogue before launch, the shit with True Bearing is the absolute worst.
>>342178443
>game finally gets to be decent again and direction looks solid
>too tired of Blizzard's shit and the game in general and have lost all interest by this point
>zero hype regardless
shame...
>>342186659
i agree it the wayb they butchered the lore was really hammered home when i watched the warcraft movie, which wasn't that good but still it made the story seem important
now we're full infinite universe with multiple versions of characters and everyone coming back from the dead. its like DCU meets naruto. if they made a movie about the story of legion who would be the main character? your fucking mage billybob? i mean you're the "class leader" right?
the story is at an absolute standstill, they stopped doing anything that made sense with the major characters after cataclysm. the whole garrosh story and the stuff with jaina and rewriting the lore to include pandaria and now involving alternate universes in the main story and all that nonsense they just really made it feel like nothing even matters
the major patches used to meaningfully advance the story. what happened to that?
>>342182094
Goddamn all the gear looks absolutely fucking shit now, big part of why i stopped giving a fuck about this shit. Progressively looked lamer and lamer and sets had less relevance as time went on.
>>342195541
Marksmanship still has arcane shot, except it now generates focus
>>342182094
Oh and if this is true you should kill yourself, wow is the easiest shit in the world even vanilla.
I simply wish it didn't cost so much money to play this game.
Im fine with being a casual wow player and just doing BGs and guild stuff.
But why do I got to pay so much? Other games I just pay once and never get asked for money again...
>>342196201
pay it with gold
>>342196086
I remember getting kicked out of an lfr for being a bad tank on archi because other tank didnt taunt off me when i was ported to star thing
QUICK SOMEONE TELL ME HOW MY BEASTMASTER IS GOING TO BE I'M NERVOUS
>>342196291
How easy is it to farm gold?
Can I just do the daily quests or do I have to grind?
>>342196364
mindless as always
>>342196364
My best friend is a hunter and he said bm is super shitty right now, like 2 buttons rotation.
>>342196413
I'm not sure, right now farming gold is really, really easy because of the garrison but that's going to be nerfed to oblivion in legion.
>>342196331
The other tank doesn't need to taunt. He will automatically take aggro because he is the second highest on the threat table and you are not a valid target.
>>342196445
oh thank christ. Fire Mage? I'm one of those retards who was going back and forth between super good and super shit combustion damage
>>342196589
Combustion is being turned into a generic 2 minute CD that gives you 100% crit for 10 seconds. Also you can't stack a Heating Up with a Pyroblast! proc. You have to use PB as soon as you get the proc or your crits are wasted.
