Why does the vidya games media try so hard to shit on this hedgehog every passing moment?
Because if you think about it, he's actually cooler than any other character, even the Doomguy.
memes and bandwagons, but honestly sonic boom has justified it for the time being
>>342128718
Sonic had a hard life.
Because there hasn't been a good Sonic game in 20 fucking years.
>>342128718
3 times more bad games than good games.
>>342128718
also Starfox officially joins the ranks of Sonic tier.
>>342129102
THIS.
Sonic was never good.
Have you played this fuckers games in a while?
I just tried out Lost World and it was fucking ass.
>>342129102
Sonic Generations, Colors, Advance, Rush, Adventure 1 and 2 (fuck your memes bitch boy)
>>342129359
Prease be understandu
>>342129240
Sonic will always be better than Star Fox
>>342129240
FUCK
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C
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Name on modern video game character with a design as good as classic sonic
>>342129240
There are literally only seven Star Fox games, several of which are spin-offs and not part of the core franchise. The original and Star Fox 64 are considered classics, and Assault and Zero have had mixed reception.
I'm not even going to count how many Sonic games there are but you can see the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_video_games. Only a handful of these are decent-to-good video games, most of them are trash.
There's no comparison.
Because they don't actually play games and just assume that every single game in the series is 06-tier awful.
>>342129539
>GENERATIONS AND COLORS WERE GOOD MEME
Like clockwork.
>Advance
Camera
>Rush
Are you serious?
>Adventure 1
Yep, you're serious, you actually believe what you're saying to be true. Granted, it was good enough for 20 years ago and being legit 3D mainline (and not that Blast crap).
>Adventure 2
Almost, but it also had its share of glitches, and the levels just weren't fun.
>>342130550
This
It's gonna be gud when the writers who didn't play Fire and Ice give it shit reviews.
>>342130436
Good games:
Sonic 1 Genesis
Sonic 2 genesis
Sonic CD
Sonic 3&K
Sonic Pocket Adventure
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Battle
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations
Sonic And All-Stars Racing Transformed
Decent games:
Sonic 1 GG/MS
Sonic 2 GG/MS
Sonic Chaos
Sonic Triple Trouble
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic 4: Episodes 1 and 2
Knuckles Chaotix
Sonic Spinball (fuck off)
Mediocre:
Everything else
Pure liquid shits:
Sonic Boom series
Sonic 2006
Shadow
Sonic storybook games
Sonic Labyrinth
Sonic Eraser
>>342130436
Bots franchises, have fans begging to repeat the formula of precious games, but newer games keep going in some other tangent.
Some ideas from the newer games are good, but the follow up games completely drop the good ideas.
Newest game is even helmed by Miyamoto, and look how it turned out.
Startfox Zero should have been much more traditional, while Federation Force should have actually been a Star fox Game as well, but 3rd person hubs with vehicles like in Assault.
>>342131068
>Including Black Knight in shit
Play that shit with a controller. Wagglan makes it garbage, but there's a good sonic game under that gimmick wii shit. It's at least Mediocre, and the story and soundtrack are top tier.
>>342131068
>that Good list
Hope you're not saying this is objective, because your standards are low.
>>342131276
What games do you have problems with
>>342129539
>Generations
>Colors
Bad games. I'd argue worse than 06, because at least that game was plain garbage. Those awful titles are just mediocre enough to fool people into thinking that they're good, and ignore the awful anti-momentum gameplay that is a total disservice to the classics.
>>342128718
He's kind of a relic of a bygone age. Back when sega and nintendo were butting heads, he was marketed as the "cool" guy. He's fast, has an attitude, spikey hair, so much better than that fat plumber; and like suckers, we bought into it.
Whereas Mario has managed to maintain a mostly positive reputation, Sonic has really gone beyond being just the cool kid. It also hasn't helped that Sega insists on reinventing the wheel with the sonic games instead of just going with some base mechanics and refining them. Of course, SEGA of japan just seems to love shooting themselves in the foot.
>>342131410
Not him but Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 aren't that good in retrospect imho. Sonic Rush had great bosses and fucking god-tier music but the stages were really bland.
>>342130565
Why have you kept on playing all of these Sonic games throughout the years if there hasn't been a good one in 20 years
>>342131561
He was better in the early 90's senpai
Also it doesn't matter if he's from the 90's
90's nostalgia runs rampant in the 2010's
>>342131643
He holds out a bit of hope.
>>342131068
The level design in advance 2 and 3 especially 2 is fucking garbage
Real talk though, Sonic is one of those series that's good if you literally haven't seen anything better. Sonic's "good" games are like, mid-low tier in any other single player platformer series. Even among indie games they're still mid-tier.
>>342131209
> newer games keep going
Star Fox Zero came out literally TEN YEARS after the previous Star Fox game.
Meanwhile Sega is shitting out multiple Sonic games per year.
>>342131570
>in retrospect
No but they're still good enjoyable games
>>342131872
Sonic 3&K is the best 16-bit platformer tbqh
>>342129539
I think you're confusing "not completely garbage" with "good".
The Sonic Adventure games were mediocre at best.
>>342129745
Sonic has way more games than Star Fox, and a good majority of them are fucking garbage.
Please do explain why you think this, though. I wanna see how retarded this gets.
So any news on the 25th anniversary game?
>>342132185
the fun and the soundtrack make up for that tbqh
>>342131979
Oh yeah like Genesis Sonic is cool and shit but I don't think there's been a single post-Genesis Sonic game I liked as a teenager, came back and played as an adult and still liked 'em.
Also if there's anything in this world that's "cringy" it's Sonic Heroes as a whole.
>>342132190
Sonic has more classics than Star Fox and he has had a few good games in the past 10 years unlike Star Fox
>>342132362
Try Generations, Colors, Unleashed, and the advance titles
Sonic 4 is okay, not a favorite of mine though
Rush and Rush Adventure are good too
>>342128718
Because autists and children like Sonic, and games journalists want to pretend that gaming is for mature adults now, when the previous mentioned children and autists are about 50% of game players.
>>342128718
Memes and free clicks. You should know how media works by now.
>>342131643
I stopped at Sonic Rush. I've been playing demos and friends' games since, and they are just irredeemable.
>>342131816
Damn right, same with Star Fox.
And Mega Man.
And Mario Party.
And...I guess the whole damn hobby.
Kirby's okay enough, and at least Mario Kart 8 looked and handled fantastically. Big hopes for Shantae.
>>342131979
I'll vouch for SA1 not being too bad save for some glitches and collision detection but adventure 2...oh boy only 1/3 was redeemable and even part of that 1/3 wasn't all that great, 5 of Sonic's levels are okay/good and 3 of shadows levels were alright. One also being a fucking reskin and another being short as hell
>>342132840
I want an SA game that fixes the flaws of SA1 and SA2, and making it so different characters are optional. Also a sequel to 3&K that's actually like the originals
>>342128718
I dunno. But I like Sonic. Just wish there were better games.
What can we do to make a good modern Sonic game? What would that look like?
>>342132964
2player, chao garden, and emblem collecting made SA2 for me personally
Replayability is important, that's why so many people love SA2, they replay 2player mode and the Speed stages and the chao garden
>>342128718
>I-it's the media!
>I swear! Sonic is NOT shit!
The answer is an epidemic that you are suffering called "delusion"
When was your get off point anons?
For me it was the secret rings.
That game wasn't all that bad, but I just stopped caring.
The music was, like every sonic game, still balling though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nfld1C7RuE
>>342133376
What if it's both SEGA being incompetent and journalists being meme-spouting bandwagoners?
>>342132984
>different characters are optional
Off the top of my head, sounds like a fantastic idea, because you can play through the game with different objectives and exploration each time WHILE having no rush at all and multiple attempts to get all of the Chaos Emeralds. I'd buy that game.
(You could also have the characters contribute towards some given story goal - I just like how amazingly well that ties in with solving the main mental-drag issue of the Chaos Emeralds.)
I'm glad I visited /v/ today.
>Sonic
>Ever good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDsz1NFBJw
>>342133698
Sounds like Sonic Advance to me m8
They're mad because he keeps styling on everyone on Twitter
Because it's always been hip to hate Sonic
>>342129102
Colors and Generations, both versions
>>342131490
So It's bad because it isn't like "le classic games"?
End your life
>>342130565
>generations and colors were bad countermeme
stopped reading right there
>>342133784
gb2bed AIDS
>>342133984
>image.jpg
>avatarfagging
adorable
>>342133784
These two genuinely unironically like David Cage games and are excited for his new Detroit game
They're retards, their opinions on video games are fucking hideously bad
>>342133836
It might sound like Sonic Advance and Heroes, except that Sonic Adventure 1 expertly had characters visiting the same zones, but you'd see whole new sides of it, new areas. S3&K did this too, gave Knuckles the underside of Carnival Night, an alternate Angel Island, Launch Base underwater, etc.
Not just retread the same obstacle course, but now with flight or a hammer.
>>342131068
>Sonic storybook games
They were that bad. The only problems with them were the controls.
They have great soundtracks and alright story.
Plus SatSR gave us this moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4shVFY0bRg
>>342131490
Autistic people are known to be afraid of change to a certain style. You are autistic, Anon.
>>342134029
>countermeme
If you think that's a meme, you really are fucked in the head.
>>342128718
They hate that hedgehog
>>342134567
Does Robotnik run the industry?
Are Sonic, Crash, Fox, Yooka, and Laylee the freedom fighters?
>>342128718
red letter media shat all over classic Sonic so now it's cool by game journos to insult Sanic games even going so far as to say all classics are shit.
Also doesn't help that BOOm and lost worlds were fucking trash
The majority of his games have been shit for the past two decades, some like pic related are so bad they would have killed any other franchise in its tracks. Recently it looked like Sonic Team was starting to get a clue, then they shat out Lost World.
I'm surprised some insane Sonic purist hasn't tried to take out Iizuka yet.
>>342135485
Killing an idiot in this day in age doesn't get the respect it used to.
Now, they just become a martyr for their irredeemable nonsense.
>>342135485
Lost Worlds played fine it needed less le random cartoon humor, expansion on who the deadly six are and some more solid stage design. The gameplay itself is solid it just gets bogged down by this stuff
>>342128718
Because fans have been making better Sonic games than sega has for years now
>>342137180
It's funny you say that. Thinking that what a fan does is better than what a company does is a true example of delusion.
Sega gets flanked because they can't satisfy both crowds of their fanbase. When they try something new, it gets trashed because no one is open to it.
For example, Sonic lost World is actually pretty good. It's main flaws were the fact the parkour controls took a while to get used to, and the whole game up until the last level is a cakewalk. Story feels really dry, and the main antagonists aren't expanded upon at all.
>>342130565
>Advance
>Camera
what
>>342137792
>it's actually pretty good
>except for this laundry list of flaws
Surprise - it's not good!
>>342132190
Star Fox only has 2 good games.
Sonic has at least 3.
>>342137792
>Sega gets flanked because they can't satisfy both crowds of their fanbase. When they try something new, it gets trashed because no one is open to it.
Fucking this Sega has to try and please classic purist, adventure fags and the unleashed generation of Sonic fans and they can't please everyone. No matter what Sonic game gets released in the future everyone will hate it because it's not their idea on how Sonic should be when Sonic's gameplay style is constantly shifting.
I at least applaud SEGA for trying new things even if they don't hit their mark because they are atleast not rehashing the same game over and over ala megaman
>>342138074
>Laundry list
>Literally 2 things
>>342137932
Advance 1-3 all needed their cameras to zoom the fuck out some.
>>342131068
>CD
>Good
>>342131842
He said CD was good. Clearly he has no understanding of good level design.
>>342138074
>It's okay when Souls, MGS, Deus Ex, Fallout, Final Fantasy post-III, Uncharted, etc
>>342128718
Hey sonicfag, how's the shitposting going?
>>342138074
Good games can be flawed. A good game doesn't have to be 100% perfect like S3&K
>>342138172
There's more wrong with the game than what was listed.
>>342138234
I don't play any of those, so I wouldn't know.
>>342138272
Granted, but recent Sonic games have not been on par with even Sonic 1.
>>342138176
Oh, ok yeah the screen real estate was pretty bad.
Nearly megaman 7 level bad.
>>342138153
>I at least applaud SEGA for trying new things even if they don't hit their mark because they are atleast not rehashing the same game over and over ala megaman
It's not really worth praising when the only things their strategy has done is make a bunch of wildly inconsistent games over two decades and fracture their fanbase to the point where everyone has a completely different idea of what Sonic is
I can't wait until the next Sonic game is once again not good and the faggot who runs the Twitter has to actually try to hype it and push it as something other than worthless.
>>342138413
I disagree. Lost worlds and Colors certainly isn't below Sonic 1
>>342138294
Yeah, I meant to say Level Design as well, but I forgot it.
Sonic Lost World would've played a lot better if it's levels were more like traditional Sonic Levels. Have you seen any of the level mods?
>>342138585
I prefer variety over a splintered fanbase. I don't want to play Sonic 10X over and over aggain
>>342138657
How much does your Sonic folder weight? Do you think you're on the same tier as Barneyfag?
>>342138418
Which, to be fair, people enjoy Sonic 1 - Sonic CD in replays because they've largely memorized the levels.
Do that with SA1-3, and they're not bad at all.
>>342138618
Depends on your view of Sonic 1 (especially if you worked your way to the fastest clear times, like Sonic CD later made far more enjoyable).
>>342139065
>how much does your sonic folder weigh
20,000 pounds of sonic images
>am I like barneyfag
No
>>342138747
Have not.
Gotta give it to the modding community - what they've done with MKWii and Sonic Generations is pretty cool.
>>342139108
I like Sonic 1 but I find it to be the lowest point in the classic series outside the gamegear titles. I have no high opinion on the original except for the fact it started the franchise
>>342139054
>preferring variety for varieties sake over quality games
Why even care about a franchise if you don't care what kind of game its going to spit out next? Just because it has Sonic's face on the cover?
>>342139275
At least Sonic 1 kept it short - Sonic 2 was an improvement, but Aquatic Ruin and Mystic Cave on are utter buzzkills.
>>342140009
Sonic 1 had Labrynth and Marble though. Which are much fucking worse.
>>342139849
I think he was just implying that playing the same game 10+ times would be stale.
I think you could say the same. I too would prefer something fresh to Sonic the Rehash 11.
It doesn't necessarily need to completely change the formula, just keep it from feeling old.
>>342139849
I care about quality but having the same game over and over again will kill the franchise like it did megaman. Megaman stayed the same for 20 fucking years with a few variations and because of that each new game sold less and less because it became stale. You need some variety to keep the series alive but you do need quality along with it. Which is why unleashed was fucking garbage but as of colors they gave that style of game quality, Sonic 1 was meh but due to them getting experience the quality came from Sonic 2 and 3. Adventure 2 pales to 2 because that improved everywhere from 1. Lost worlds is just the first of these new styled games but if they can improve apon that formula and give us some great titles. I wish we could skip these awkward child phases of these new style games and have quality straight from the get go but so long as with each new play style we get a quality game it will keep the series alive and interesting.
>>342140193
I can agree with that usually, but in Sonic Team's case they tend to do that latter before they even nail the basics, which is at least part of the reason why Sonic has been in such an awkward place for so long.
>>342128718
Because fans shit all over sega. Before the sequel is better than any modern sonic game out there
Sonic rules fools
>>342140127
Labyrinth flows if you understand its logic.
Marble, yeah, that's just a sheer pain in the ass.
