Let's have a Tales of series thread, /v/!
Let's get this thing going!
>>342113104
bepis
>>342113104
HURR IS THE COFFEE HOT OR COLD DURR
Best 3D game is Vesperia PS3
Overall best game is Tales of Destiny DC
If you bought Zesteria fucking kill yourself
>>342113104
Arche is best girl of all games
Which one should I platinum next?
>>342114461
Why does everyone hate that scene?
>>342114461
Colette detected.
>>342114646
>not Colette
Hang yourself.
I don't know if I want to get Berseria or not.
Even with its edge I kinda like the character designs, which I didn't at all in Zestiria. And Tales game are 75% about character interaction anyways.
But still, after the Zestiria shitfest I'm kinda on the fence.
>>342114661
Symphonia.
>>342114661
Get rid of the worst game first; plat Zestiria.
>>342114661
Get yourself a copy of Vesperia and plat that.
>>342115291
I got a 99% savefile on the 360 version. Fucked up the marking sidequest with Repede. Didn't know you had to finish it before you finish financing Aurion.
>>342114810
> Liking Colette
You're the true cancer.
>>342114876
I'm not sure either. Some details I hear are kinda neat. Plus Baba isn't directing it, so I'm kinda hopeful towards it. I want to limit that though, cause I know, I'm probably just gonna end up disappointed.
>>342114779
I should play Abyss again, I only played it at launch. How's the 3DS port?
Despite her voice, I really liked Shirley from Legendia.
>>342115525
Only played the 3DS port, it works good enough I'd say. Lost your copy?
>>342115516
Baba only directed Tales of Destiny. He was the producer since for many of the titles. I can't hate the guy, he is the reason we got Tales of again in the west. One okay gameZestiriais not that bad of a track record.
>>342115790
Legendia anon is that you?
>>342115849
I don't like both Xillia games either though. They (and Zestiria) shit on the multiplayer, a roller coaster for a difficulty curve, stupid AI and the characters weren't that interesting. I can't even bring myself to finish Xillia 2 with all the flaws I see.
>>342115936
Not him, but I don't dislike it as much as the rest I guess.
>>342115796
PS2 is dead and Gamecube is on loan to my mom. I was looking for something to play on 3DS anyway, I'll pick it up.
>>342113104
Abyss and Symphonia are the bestI hate Vesperia because its popular and has much slower combat than the aforementioned
>>342115936
I really want to like Legendia for its music, story, and character growth, but too many things hold it back like random encounters, long hallway dungeons (that are visited repeatedly) and boring fighting system (throwing people was fun though).
anyone have the ToA pic with jade and Ion talking about fonons?
>>342115508
But she's so innocent and pure, anon.
>>342114779
I recently picked up the 3DS version before realizing I could probably emulate it
How well does it run in PCSX2? Because I usually prefer having it on the go but if it's THAT big of an improvement I'll make the sacrifice
>>342117797
I have a i7-4790k and it runs at 60 fps but my brother's fx-8350 has issues keeping it at a constant 60 fps.
But if you're asking about load time and stuff, it's really fast.
I did run into a graphical glitch with the undubbed version though, like a grid appears on a screen in certain towns and I still haven't been able to fix it.
>>342118046
>tfw have fx-6300
Fuck. Did your brother have it at super-high settings?
>>342118112
I'm not sure but it wouldn't hurt to try the game, also I don't think the fx-8350 and the fx-6300 have that much of a difference when emulating.
Why the fuck is the Tales team using the incomplete and awful Graces combat system as a template for their games now? I feel that especially in a 3D game there should be aerial combat and it looks like Berseria will also be lacking it like Zestiria. They had some good shit going with Xillia 2 and then just decided to trash it.
>>342114661
I've only plat'd Xillia 2, but I loved it. I could see the Graces one being fun too. Which was your favorite to plat?
>>342118447
I guess they want to keep switching things up. It feels bad to see them master something then drop it completely in the next game, but I kind of appreciate their willingness to do new things with each game
>>342119256
They're not really doing anything new though. In fact they made the combat in Zestiria even worse than Graces and I fear for how Berseria's combat will probably be worse too.
>>342119256
Xillia 1 to be honest. I prefer the other games I platinumed. But they also were a boring grind to do. Especially 4050 linked artes in Xillia, and all inn requests and Eleth Mixer farming in Graces f. That is why it took me 3 years to platinum Graces f. I just said fuck it and grinded out the last Eleth Mixer points and shards for dualizing weapons for the inn requests.
I genuinely feel like Vesperia and onward have worse combat than Symphonia and Abyss
Tales games need more femdom fanservice.
Just disregard the fujo fanbase for once
>>342119663
How can you be a Team Symphonia fan and think that Vesperia is not the culmination of their greatest work?
>>342113104
Colette is the most pure and metal
Can i play vesperia on ps4?
>>342119663
Amen brother, and I really have to give it to symphonia for managing to pull this off without Free Run
>>342119558
I didn't mean to imply that "new" was better. I meant the opposite actually. I think Berseria will be better specifically because they made Zesty, so they can build on their first attempt in that shitty style. I guess I'm not associating Graces as the start of that style even though they have a good amount in common.
Technically you could say the Destiny Remake was the start then, because Team Destiny has always been doing the point system thing, which even showed up in the Xillias
>>342119725
Magilou looks like she will be an S character.
>>342119831
I honestly don't know. Vesperia felt like it overcomplicated the combat and made it flashy. Graces F just made it even worse
>>342119663
I think Symphonia's combat is one of the worst
>>342119998
I hope she's an /ss/ character
>>342120173
Even compared to Symphonia 2 and Legendia? Really?
>>342119725
Fairy Tail is such wasted potential and that bums me out
>>342120191
She won't be. She will be the tease character. Eleanor will be into shota.
>>342120226
I think it's closer to the bottom than the top, yeah
Symphonia 2 is a spin off though
>>342120226
Are you really saying Symphonia's combat is better than Symphonia 2? What are you smoking?
>>342120260
The fanservice in the latest chapters is off the charts, should have just drawn an official porn chapter instead
>>342119985
Destiny DC is very different from their 3D games. I have no issue with the CC mechanics. My issue is with this grounded fighting style with arte trees and no aerials that Graces started and it only started because they didn't have time to implement aerials.
Aside for Patty how much i missing if i playing the 360 version?
>>342120191
Whos that man on the left?
>>342120073
So you like simple games that your small brain can immediately process instead of games with a bit of depth that might require you to put in a bit of effort to git gud.
>>342120390
It is. What are you smoking?
>>342120390
>slow attacks that don't at all feel like a base combo that lead into unsatisfying artes
>dumb, far too easy to manipulate monster raising bullshit
>can't even level the human party members outside of marta and emil until 3/4 through the game
>free fun that feels awkward to use
>did i mention HOW FUCKING SLOW the combos are? because jesus christ
Vesperia was fun to play through again. Just have the last dungeon to do.
>>342120701
>IT'S HARD SO YOU DON'T LIKE IT! HA!
that's not what i meant by overcomplicating and you know it
>>342120434
I wasn't even talking about but the fanservice but that's a good point. I jut meant conceptually the magic guild thing is a good idea that is wasted because it could be so much more, but just devolved into fanservice and awful plot/focus on the worst characters of Lucy and Natsu. Somehow the main characters are the worst characters, if it was about Gray and Erza or anyone else it would already be better.
But to your point, the inverse is also true. The show would also be better off if they just went all the way with the fanservice and stopped pretending there was anything else going on at this point
>>342120754
Plus bosses in that game were a pain in the ass to fight.
>>342120867
Yeah, the only characters I'm still remotely interested in are Gajeel and Levy. It just devolved into too many asspulls over the time
>>342120860
But that's exactly what you mean. And if you had an above first grade reading level you'd notice I wasn't trying to make it seem like Vesperia requires intense levels of autism to git gud at.
It adds some new mechanics that give the gameplay a good bit of depth over the previous Symphonia games. If that's not a positive for you and it "overcomplicates" it, then you're just a shitter.
>>342120754
oh, and
>can't control the monsters or even really how they target people
>half the monsters are fucking useless
>>>342121208
>And if you had an above first grade reading level you'd notice I wasn't trying to make it seem like Vesperia requires intense levels of autism to git gud at.
so it's not /autistic/ levels of git gud but you're still going to sit there smugly and act like you made that clear
>YOU'RE JUST A SHITTER
no, it's just my opinion. it's still a fun, enjoyable game. you're just a whiny faggot on the internet
>>342120860
More depth is always a good thing. The skill ceiling on Xillia 2 is really high, but the average player doesn't need to hit it to enjoy the game. You can play through the whole game on the default difficulty using on the swords, but if you want the challenge, you're free to crank it up and get cuhrazy
>>342121639
>depth
but that's my issue, it's supposed to be deeper combat but it just feels like flashier combat
i've yet to play either Xillia, though i have them and they're on my backlog. how are they, plotwise?
>friend has me play symphonia 2 with him
he owes me
fuck courage being the magic that turns dreams into reality
That game is all kinds of fucked
>>342121374
>a bit of depth
>put in a bit of effort
If this doesn't make it clear that I'm not trying to put this game on a DMC level of autism required I don't know what would.
Nice job refuting me though. You really put me in my place with your memetext and ad hominem.
>>342121813
I think Xillia 1 is the second worst mainline Tales game, but Xillia 2 is in my top 3. I dislike the plot of 1, but I've seen people say the enjoyed it. It's obvious that it was rushed and really only had a handful of good moments for me.
Xillia 2 is super polarizing in general, but I do personally really like the story. I got really invested into the main character and his journey, and to me it's got the second best story after Abyss
>>342122290
>Xillia 1 is the second worst mainline Tales game
whoa, that's a pretty big statement, considering how man games there are. why's that?
also is Symphonia HD worth it at all or am i just better off making ISOs from my physical discs and emulating it in Dolphin
>>342121813
You're pretty much just saying you don't like the new games for whatever personal reason you have then. They all have far more depth than Symphonia or Abyss, and it should be very obvious from looking at a single video of any of them.
>>342122518
man, i already said word for word that i liked vesperia
i just like symphonia and abyss better. jesus christ
>>342122518
Not him but
I was the guy that said I didn't like Vesperia for personal reasons (aka it being popular), think you're confusing me with the person you've been talking to
>game about being pirates
>pirate costumes are dlc
why do they do this to us
>>342113104
Literal cuck
How do you lose a loli that's all over your dick to a mage sidecharacter?
>>342122612
fuck off you have shit taste
>>342122942
that's not what your mom said
last night ;)
>>342122612
Sorry I should have worded it as
>you don't like the COMBAT SYSTEMS for whatever personal reason you have
>>342122747
Were you ever even in this reply chain?
>>342123031
why are you still trying
>>342122506
Berseria will be number 16. Granted I've only played 9/15, but Xillia 1 just underwhelmed me, especially when compared to the others. Also I think Xillia 2 made me retroactively think less of the first game because it improves on it so much.
I don't dislike Xillia 1 though, I actually love all the Tales games,even Symphonia 2 is funny
>>342122942
Thank you for perpetuating the Vesperiafag meme
Repede is the best character to ever grace this series.
>>342123117
PS3 VESPERIA GODDAMNIT
>>342123142
fuck off furfag
>>342123031
I replied to the person you're talking to, but other than that we both said Symphonia and Abyss were better, I just wanted to make it clear that he wasn't me since you keep suggesting he dislikes Vesperia when only I said I dislike it
>>342123348
forget it man, he's desperate at this point and won't listen
>>342114876
I'll buy it because I like FLOW. I'm that much of a sucker. I also have this feeling Velvet will end up being a good protagonist.
>>342120525
Flynn, extra bosses and party arena.
>>342123104
Why are you still here? Just to suffer?
>>342123679
despite what you think, acting like a smug, belligerent retard doesn't make everyone run away like a crying child
>>342123761
lol I made a single sarcastic post and you just flip the fuck out because it's true. Sorry that you can't appreciate good games because they're too "flashy".
>>342117797
It runs smoothly on my i5-2500K and GTX560Ti, you can even add some smoothing effects and still won't stutter at all.
>>342113104
My Favorite is Grace F and Destiny DC, because i am all about battle and replayability.
Almost played all mainline aside from Xillia 2 and Vesperia.
>>342123905
>acting like a smug, belligerent retard doesn't make everyone run away like a crying child
>>342123941
Boy do you need to play Xillia 2 then, sounds like you'll love it
>>342119562
>Localization never
>>342116693
Legendia sure has the best OST and characters, though I hate how stupid they can be and how dumb their jokes are, they don't even work as a comic relief. Their jokes simply suck.
I enjoyed the battle system tho.
>>342121872are you a dogor are you a man
>hacking my PS3 soon
>will finally experience the full Vesperia meme
What am I in for bros.
>>342124390
Vesperia with extra content.
What was your first tales game?
Mine was Phantasia GBA (I didn't know any better at the time. Have since replayed on SNES and PSP though)Phantasia GBA wasn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, honestly
>>342122765
I'm still gonna buy every single outfit for Laphicet. I'm so fucking happy about him existing and I want Bamco to know!
I also hope the Klonoa skin makes a comeback.
>>342124646
Phantasia on snes.Yeah, with the fuck like a tiger translation.
>>342124646
Graces F>Xillia>Xillia 2>Symphonia>Abyss
I think Abyss was the best overall but I liked spamming MA in Graces.
>>342124717
He dies at the end
>>342124646
My first was Symphonia 2. I played it in middle school and I was actually really into it.
I found Vesperia like 5 years later and my mind was blown when I realized it was a spin off and it only got better. It's probably why I love all the games so much and don't even hate Symphonia 2. It also might be why I don't think Symphonia 1 is that special
>>342124892
You'll die at the end!
I'm going to try to give it another shot but I couldn't get into the combat system for Vesperia for whatever reason.
I haven't played it in years but I remember giving up on trying to beat bosses with whatever specific conditions get you bonuses or something after the wolf boss
>>342125185
Luca clam down.
>>342124646
Symphonia on gamecube. Read about it in nintendo power and then bought it for $15 from blockbuster year or two later. Played it all the way through 2 times, back to back. Then I got phantasia-gba for my birthday, played it a good amount but never finished it because I sold all my gba games, because I was a dumb kid. I also sold symphonia, which i never stopped regretting.
Years later after highschool I got a 360 and vesperia and I've played every released tales since that.
Posting Edna to trigger that one guy.
>>342114724
because its annoying and llyod whould have just given her the coffee and then confronted her like right a-fucking-way
>>342125567
>tfw loaned symphonia to a friend
>never got it back
>>342125724
>Hey Colette, I'm starting to think you can't feel anything anymore
>What? Of course I can, Lloyd
>Well I don't believe you
>Why not
>Well...
Are you telling me that whole debate would've been worse than the coffee scene? What reason would Colette have had to tell him the truth right away?
>>342126343
this
especially considering how fucking shocked she is when lloyd calls her on it
>>342125896
>tfw tried to get friend to play symphonia, but he wouldn't.
It was so frustrating for younger me to have this game that I personally considered this hidden masterpiece, and want to talk to anyone about it, but having absolutely nobody that cared in the slightest. That's probably why it's my favorite tales to this day though, because of years of telling myself it was a masterpiece and having nobody tell me I was wrong. New tales games, it's like, I know it's shit before I even buy it, because of people playing the Japanese version.
Still a good series and I'm glad I got into it. I'd be a different person than I am now if I didn't have Tales games in my life.I wrote essays on Symphonia in highschool when teachers made us choose a story and write stuff about it. I never told anyone it was a videogame I based my book report on.
>>342124646
Symphonia followed by Phantasia and later Vesperia. Living in europe was hell through that time, cause i desperately wanted more games, but we didn't have them.Now it's still hell, cause I hate every Tales since Xillia.
>>342126520
>Still a good series and I'm glad I got into it. I'd be a different person than I am now if I didn't have Tales games in my life. I wrote essays on Symphonia in highschool when teachers made us choose a story and write stuff about it. I never told anyone it was a videogame I based my book report on.
AHAHAHA YOU FUCKING NERD THAT'S SOcute actually
>>342126520
>I'd be a different person than I am now if I didn't have Tales games in my life.
this is lame but colette helped me be a more patient and forgiving person
>>342126781
Teachers eat up any story that deals with racism as a central theme. Literally A+ material.
>>342124035
>tfw I can't get the best costumes
>>342124646
Xillia
So what's so bad about Zestiria?
I was thinking of getting it because nostalgia, but from what I read here it's awful, anyone so kind to elaborate why?
never forget
>>342122765
He's so handsome
do you think the game is worth playing just for him? all the other characters look like shit
>>342114661
I couldnt bring myself to plat Xillia 2. The trophies are all pretty much the same grinding trophies from Xillia 1 but the grinding is like 10 times longer. I couldnt do it
>>342126520I've written a thesis paper on Persona 3 my freshman year of college because I didn't want to write about Slaughter House Five. I got a 92
>>342127539
He'll probably be the last party member you get and will only stand in the background while the girls talk.
>>342127296
Characters are a group of idiots
Plot is stupid, no wonder with these characters
Camera in battle just doesn't work well
Fusion system fucks multiplayer and ai can't handle it
Ai is still shit in general
Skill system is more annoying to learn than anything.I only played the game one weekend with friends, so that's all I can gather from the top of my head.
>>342127526
>>342127989
at least that means he won't be paired up with any other team member
right
>>342128120
Did you make this edit just now or has it been around for a while?
Is there a generally agreed upon best Tales game? Or at least one that best represents the series?
>>342128251
That was last year's edit, but there's no point updating t until Berseria comes out in 2017
Also this gem still needs to be updated, and I can't wait for Berseria's entry
>>342128405
When it comes to /v/ not really but generally people seem to like Vesperia and Symphonia the most in the west. Abyss is also a contender I think. They've been the big three must-plays of the series for a while now since they best represent what people like about the franchise while having such widely different receptions.
>>342119562
What does it say?
>>342128405
Vesperia is the fan favorite and generally regarded as the best. I certainly think its the most well rounded.
In general Team Symphonia's work is regarded as the "golden age", which is Symphonia, Abyss, and Vesperia
>>342128448
I am re-reading this and I have to admit it's fairly accurate. Except for Hearts and Rebirth.
>>342128405
/v/ will tell you Vesperia, but it really comes down to what you're looking for most. Most of them have something to offer that they do better than the other games in the series and they all have dedicated fans who will defend them.
Vesperia is the balance between old stuff and new stuff, with good gameplay, but it's story is shit.
>>342128448
>innocencefags do not exist
but i'm right here
>>342114661
>Xillia 2 Plat
I commend you. I don't have that kind of patience. Xillia plat was so much more easier
>>342114646
>not Sheena
Fucking what?
>>342128448
>last year's edit
I haven't been in Tales threads for a while. Nice to know someone's updating my comic for me and that it's still going in these threads.
>>342128675
>>342128635
That's why it has to be updated. There was not enough data on those anons. There still isn't actually
>>342128790
I love these things. I get shit on for reposting but I think they're a lot of fun
What do you think about Sakuraba?
>>342128675
You're a rarer breed.
>>342128732
Wasn't that bad, I found it to be really rewarding actually since I got to really learn the combat system. Ironically I couldn't go through with the Xillia 1 plat. Maybe one day
I like Zestiria and I don't understand why people constantly shit on it.
xilla 2 is what the first game should have been but even than, 2 is another rushed game that will never reach its full potential. to me, xilla 2 is an expansion pack.
>>342128890
Sakuraba's stuff all sounds the same fire him already
I'm really digging the intro to graces f so far, but it's hard to devote the hundred-or-so hours these games require.
Where do you find your motivation, /v/?
Should I just turn down the difficulty so it's not so stressful to play games?
Abyss HD when?
>>342128890
He's fine..when he actually tries.
>>342127539
Hopefully the brother won't be in the party just because of a shitty side quest like his sister was.
>>342128890
One of my favorite video game composer, a lot of pleb dislike his progrock style music and get triggered about Tales having distinctive sound instead of generic bombastic shit.
Also they tend to mistake shit composed by Shinji Tamura and blame Sakuraba for it.
Admittedly, Namco doesn't grant him the times and liberties he needs to make better tunes.
>>342122765
they taken the first steps on become EA. soon optional bosses and certain side content (like the arena) will be behind a paywall.
>>342129120
Was there a certain point where his work became too samey, or was it always shit?
>>342128675
Hey me too
>>342128948
>tfw no innocence lewds
>>342129189
Someday.
>>342128890
I like him. Fuck the haters and fuck the dicks who tells him to do the same shit every single time.
>>342129152
I find that playing all Tales games on the difficulty above default and manual makes for the most fun on my first playthrough
My motivation comes from enjoying playing the game and a genuine interest in the characters interacting with each other. Graces in particular has some great skits even if the plot is weaker and Asbel sucks.
>>342129189
I'm worried the 3DS port means we will never get it anon
>>342128448
symphonia IS the best tales game, though.
The combat was updated enough from the 2D games yet there's no free-run so you don't completely trivialize every single boss by running in a circle around his moves and then unleashing your 100 hit combo.
On mania the game requires you to use some pretty serious strategy (especially if you're going for the challenge titles) because without free run you have to actively manipulate enemy positions so a boss doesn't just corner your whole party and gank them
The gameplay is actually pretty open, you can do most of sylverant in whatever order you want and before you get the rehards theres a few times in tethealla where the game just tells you to wander the world map and figure out how to get to the next plot area. The only other tales game that has this sort of design is it's prequel phantasia, the rest of them are just following the plot line outside of "backtrack at this arbitrary point to some random fucking town to do a sidequest" The ability to pick your favorite character and slightly change the plot is also a nice bit of freedom you don't have in other tales games.
People are down on the puzzles and they can be kinda stupid but it's a nice change of pace. It's a lot better then later games that are just endless straight hallways that branch off from eachother and "go to two opposite ends of the dungeon and find keys to open the door to the boss fight" over and over.
Likewise the plot isn't the greatest but it's also not trying to damn hard.
>>342122765
Day one pirate for the costume DLC. They're really good costumes though.
vesperia and abyss remaster when?
>>342129449
Vesperia doesn't need a remaster.
>>342129152
It shouldn't take over 70 hours to clear any tales game unless you do extra stuff, sidequests, or endgame stuff.
>>342125896
i was that guy. i gave it back to him after 8 years.
>>342129441
Fuck I need that Velvet skin, Scamco may have gotten me this time
>>342129437
Dropping some hot opinions in this thread
Berseria is doing fine in preorders. It will probably sell less than Zestiria overall though.
>>342129632
>abyss
lol
>>342129323
it's always been pretty samey, and as time went on and he still kept making samey stuff people finally had enough i'm guessing
>>342129645
How can Persona 5 be so low? I thought the Nips were obsessed with it
>>342129685
And so it begins
wow i didn't know there existed other people than me who liked innocence
>>342129645
Most Zesteria copies were brought back to the stores, though.
>>342129796
Honestly it's because no one played it, blame the moon runes
>>342129632
Abyss is not god tier by any stretch of the imagination unless you only care about character drama and story.
Other than that, acceptable opinions I guess.
>>342129527
but it dosewith English subs
>>342129796
I didn't get that far because it was in japanese, I decided to wait till an english release before I go back
>>342128120
>Ristelle is canon
YES YES
>>342129938
Abyss is one of the most polarizing games I've ever come across. I dont know how many Abyssfriends are with us today, but you'd be surprised how beloved it is. And hated
>>342129898
Such a shame
all these people will never know the cutest innocence girl ange
>>342129751
Well Berseria comes out first.
>>342130126
I went into Abyss wanting to hate it, I came out Loving it.
Official waifu rank, from top to bottom (top 5 only)
>Rita
>Raine
>Farah
>Tear
>Sheena
Honorable mention to Arche who is for Chester only, and Meredy who is for Keele only.
Best party member from each tales game you played?
Chester
Genis
Jade
Karol
Richard
Elize
Gaius
Mikleo
>>342129796
I played the DS english patch and I honestly tried to get into it but the combat was way too grindy and I eventually hit a roadblock. It was the part with Ricardo's brother as a bossfight or something. I was too underleveled to beat him and couldn't go back to grind or anything. That's where I dropped it.
>>342114646
I agree.
>>342130148
>>342129751
I don't wanna go into "MY OPINIONS ARE OBJECTIVELY CORRECT" but like
the characters are all unlikable besides guy, who doesn't fucking do anything
the story is just 50 hours of people not doing obvious things that could've prevented everything because they're dumb
it has technical issues out the ass, horrible framerate/loading time issues and a bunch of bugs both good and bad
it is the absolute worst offender for "backtrack to this random town at this arbitrary point and talk to this random NPC without any warning or miss out on sidequests" bullshit. In particular the entire concept of the contamination effect (aka THE THING THAT MAKES THE ENDING MAKE ANY SENSE) is regulated to obscure sidequests that you can permantly miss on starting unless you actively don't progress the plot
the gameplay balance is all fucked up. free run is broken as hell and on difficulties above normal bosses take comically low damage from physical attacks unless you grind a ton meaning the strategy for every boss is "have someone free run in circles around the boss while jade/tear/anise blow them up with spells"
these are all objective issues, I don't see how you can like it that much
>>342130320
Honestly I think for me it boils down to the black and white mages. They're almost never bad in these games and are respectively some of the most amazing damage dealers and fantastic support.
>>342129796
It will never happen at this point
Just finish the game
>>342130148
I really like her
she was always in my team
>>342114661
Amazing. I honestly don't know how you guys have the time to platinum a game between work and school.
I'd say go for Symphonia next since that one is a lot of fun.
I know Zestiria isn't liked much (though I'm enjoying it, personally) but what is the opinion of Hearts R? I like it less than Zestiria.
>>342130517
>It will never happen at this point
>Just finish the game
Too>>342130072
>>342129592
I do all that, talk to all npcs, and read all the text too.
>>342130126
That's regarding the plot/characterization. As a game, mechanic-wise and balancing wise it's a step-down from Symphonia due to introducing a new concepts and mechanics but without the time to properly balance them, and it became a complete joke when Destiny PS2 released the next year. That's not very debatable.
Then a lot of stupid mistakes like the way enemy stats are balanced on higher difficulties, the game was rushed for the anniversary and while it's no Xillia/Zestiria it shows.
It still has quite a lot of content as typical from Tales games back then and Guy is a lot of fun to play as. I wish Asch was playable without codes because Luke just feels like poor-mans Asch due to lack of SC.
>>342127526
>Lightning Bla-Super Lightning Blade!
>Fierce Demon Fang!
>Ha, ha, ha, Light Spear!
>take this! Grave!
Literally the most spam character in the series. Great character, though, and I would go gay for that voice.
>>342130320
>Phantasia
Suzu
>Destiny Remake
Johnny but seriously this game have to many good characters
>Eternia
Farah
>Destiny 2
Judas
>Symphonia
Kratos
>Rebirth
Tytree
>Legendia
Norma
>Abyss
Guy
>Vesperia
Patty but again really enjoyed most of the cast in this game
>Graces
Pascal
>Xillia 1 and 2
Alvin
>Zestiria
Edna
>>342127526
>>342128120
is there a template for this?
>>342130320
>Symphonia 1
Colette
>Symphonia 2
Emil
>Phantasia
Arche
>Vesperia
Estelle
>Abyss
Tear
>Eternia
Farah
>Xillia 1
Alvin
>Graces
Pascal
>Xillia 2
Still Alvin
>>342130856
Forgot pic, just in case you didn't know who I was talking about.
>>342130841
> I wish Asch was playable without codes because Luke just feels like poor-mans Asch due to lack of SC.
do you not know about the map glitch? that's like the best part of abyss gameplay wise
>>342131027
>Symphonia 1
>not Kratos
Please consider suicide. Cam Clarke's voice is god-tier and Kratos is the most diverse fighter out of the cast. He also has the most interesting backstory of all the characters.
>>342130841
The thing is though that all of those issues are only really evident after hours upon hours of scrutinizing for them and making it your issue. The Tales series was never perfectly balanced, and often sought to make their button mashing combat workable to be focused more on easygoing fun instead.
I'm not saying what you're listing aren't issues. I'm saying they're just not issues that prevent the combat from achieving what it's meant to, and in truth overall Abyss still has decent gameplay. All the common complaints for it though very understandable are still a considerable league or two away from being good arguments for Abyss' combat being bad as a whole though.
>>342131142
Yes, these sequence breaking potential with that is pretty nuts.
But still, you need codes for Asch because his equipment is always fixed.
>>342130626
at the time it was on a DS flashcart, now the Vita Version is out I no longer have a DS, I would either have to Softmod my 3DS to use the old flashcart (or just put it on the 3DS SD card I assume) or get the Vita version
I've already begun studying Japanese like a true weeb, it is the only solution since this keeps stopping me from playing games
>>342131051
I loved this VA in this game mainly because of him and lloyd
Something about collette pissed me off tho, I just can't stand her voice or personality
>>342131023
Probably, I'd like to see a thread of these dumped because I collect them
>>342130320
Leon
Kratos
Jade
Yuri
Kunzite
Hubert
Alvin
Ludger
Lailah
>>342130764
I kind of wish I did sidequests and things like that, especially for the games with missable quests and stuff.
But I managed to force my way through almost 10 games just quitting after the final boss of each one.
>>342131351
VA?
Sorry, I'm not up to speed on /v/ speak. Do you mean voice actor? Because if so, I agree.
I liked Colette. She was innocent and pure.
>>342129437
No and don't mention a Symphonia Team and good difficulty in the same post.
>>342129093
They need to take their time and make proper dungeons and a world instead of copy pasting everything. They became really lazy in that regard. Hoping the next gen title looks phenomenal with a new engine and all.
>>342131191
cam clarkes voice acting can't save the fact that zelos has a 99% identical movelist but is overall stronger for other reasons, has the actual most interesting backstory and gives you access to a bunch of sidequests that you can't do with kratos
Animesoon.
>>342131635
How bad is this gonna be?
>>342131552
good counter-argument dork
>>342130841
I'd have to disagree, I found Symphonia to be much slower and clunkier, and even if the free run is "broken", I still think it's better to have it than not. Just in general Abyss felt like a clear step up mechanically to me
>>342131191
Zelos is objectively better than Kratos. In combat and in characterization. Fight me.
>>342131696
It'll be painfully mediocre.
>>342131634
>Most interesting backstory
But Kratos is the only interesting character period
>>342130320
>Phantasia
I don't remember
>Eternia
Farah
>Symphonia
Zelos
>Abyss
Guy
>Destiny DC
Philia
>Rebirth
Veigue
>Destiny 2
Harold
>Grace
Sophie
>>342130320
>Phantasia
Cless
>Destiny
Leon
>Symphonia
Zelos
>Abyss
Jade or Guy
>Vesperia
Flynn
>Graces
haha everyone in this game is an annoying fuck
>Xillia 1
Alvin
>Xillia 2
Alvin and Gaius, and/or Ludger. The xillia cast has been the most interesting cast in a while.
>Zestiria
Mikleo
>>342131786
you say slower and clunkier, I say more tactical
in symphonia on mania theres all kinds of strategy stuff you can and should do to position yourself and the enemies so you can not die
in abyss there's literally one strategy on mania and that's "distract boss with free run while spellcasters cast spells at them until they die" because of the fucked up enemy stats
>>342131634
>Zelos
>most interesting backstory
No way. Kratos is much more interesting. He's also more fluid in combat than Zelos is because he isn't flashy with his attacks.
Zelos is just Kratos 0.5. He's literally just there to fill in the role of being a triple class fighter (fighter, mage and healer) after Kratos betrays you.
>>342131616
I'm not following the news too much, from that webm i imagine the gimmick is you pick 3 that you can swap around in battle and the rest is AI? Or are those 3 characters in the webm the only ones you can swap?
>>342132098
You're really selling abyss short, there's certainly more to it than what you described. I don't think there is anything in Symphonia that competes with something like a Guy solo run in Abyss
>>342130320
zelos
guy
yuri
hubert
leia
Gaiusfuck zestiria
>>342131515
Yeah I meant voice actor. Colette suited the story well but I just couldn't bring myself to like her.
>>342131616
I feel like we've been waiting forever for this new engine exclusive to next gen. Mark my words, Tales of 17 will be the Xillia engine, again
>>342131890
>better than Kratos in terms of combat.
Wrong. He's way too flashy with his attacks and can't cast some of the spells Kratos can.
>in terms of characterisation
Wrong again. He doesn't have Cam Clarke as a voice actor, and he doesn't have the backstory of being a 4'000-year-old angel behind him. Furthermore, he doesn't have any cool twists like Kratos does with the whole relationship between him and Lloyd.
Zelos also isn't as connected with the antagonist as Kratos is.
>>342124646
Symphonia 2. I remember I got it for Christmas like 5 years ago along with the strategy guide. It was when I was first getting into the JRPG genre, and for what it was, I thought it was pretty fun. I remember afterwards getting the first Symphonia from my friend and loving that. But it wasn't until Vesperia that I started to fall in love with the series as a whole.
>>342132328
>Gaius
no. fuck that. i meant muze
CAN I FUCKING PLAY VESPERIA ON PS4???
>>342132551
>dub
>>342132587
Playstation now?
>>342132587
no, why would you think you could?
I doubt you could stream it with Playstation Now either since the PS3 version was a japan only release
>>342132587
>>342132698
>>342132741
Blame Microsoft
>>342130320
Chester
Raine
Keele
Guy
Rita
>>342132159
>>342132551
>No way. Kratos is much more interesting.
did you actually do his events?
> He's also more fluid in combat than Zelos is because he isn't flashy with his attacks.
what does this mean? he attacks faster while kratos has this dramatic wide swings that take way longer.
kratos has a spamable taunt animation and judgement (which is useless) while zelos has the second best personal skill and the best title in the game (gilgamesh) which gives him amazing stats that kratos can't compete with
aside from this they are 100% identical
>>342132289
a guy solo run on difficulities above normal is stupid as fuck unless you grind endlessly because every boss has insane physical defence that means you do 1 damage per hit against an enemy with thousands of HP
and then if you do grind endlessly so you actually do damage you just juggle everything to death and freerun in circles all day. shit's boring
in symphonia you have to do stuff like intentionally sonic thrust the boss away from your weaker party members because you can't just free run away, set up raine to photon the boss every dozen hits or so to continue the stagger and actually set your AI to do something besides just cast spells like you do in abyss
>>342131729
The Combat is old, and Grace/Xillia2/Vesperia/Abyss/Destiny DC are better battle wise.
For the rest it's up to your taste.
In Grace and DC the difficulty is not just about Scaling HP, but require to exploit weakness, do real combos.
In rebirth higher difficulty change your HP recovery on special move, making the gameplay completely different.
In all those game playing from scratch with highest difficulty is fun and rewarding(more exp, bonus for combo, getting title faster, more hi ougi, new tech)
Also in other game i mentioned playing multiplayer and as other character is much more fun.
I played this game more than 20 times and it's far from being the most strategic.
There are some non-linear part in symphonia, but it's not a big part of game.
Symphonia isn't the best tales of game, it's pretty average, remove your nostalgia or play more games from the series.
>>342132926
I'm sorry anon but we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't consider what you describe in Symphonia to be entertaining or engaging at all, and what you consider to be "stupid as fuck" is way more appealing to me. It's fine for us to disagree, in fact it's a good thing and makes discussion much more interesting and leads to better games that appeal differently to different people. All that matters is that nobody pretends their opinion is an absolute fact
>>342132926
>what does this mean?
It means he has a longer range and is somewhat faster and easier to play as than Zelos is.
> judgement (which is useless)
>judgement
>useless
Pick one. It can absolutely the health bars of party members. Lloyd almost always either dies or gets most of his health taken out if it hits him.
>aside from this they are 100% identical
In terms of fighting, they are mostly identical.
In terms of character they are basically polar opposites.
>>342133331
*absolutely destroy the health bars of party members
>>342130126
I'm here. Haven't been here in a while
>>342133446
Welcome back
>>342132974
graces combat is a joke, the enemy weakpoints thing is fake depth because all that changes is that you mash a slightly different combo by hitting button + direction with your unlimited amount of CC. graces combat is like vesperia if you had overlimit all the time and unlimited TP because you just mash out a combo and then it all comes back a second later so you can mash it again. There's zero concept of resource management which means you just juggle enemies to death. it's lame
the only other "tricks" to the combat is which direction you mash to dodge all the bosses attacks and become invincible and nova barriers which do nothing but fuck over pascal and malik
not to mention the AI is fucking trash, game encourages you to play on difficultiies above normal to forge better and stuff but that makes it so you die in 2/3 hits. Which is supposed to be balanced by the invincible dashes but your party members simply don't understand how to use it so they spend the entire fight fucking dead. Trying to keep your party members alive against people like emeraud, the giant pig boss or the dude that constantly calls in reinforcements (kurt?) is a joke because you revive them only for them to die literally seconds later
It's also really stupid that the enemy AI is programmed to dog pile whoever is in the P1 slot (to the point of chasing you around the screen) which means playing a spellcaster is impossible because you get ganked
>>342133331
the judgement kratos casts as a boss is not the version he gets when you play as him
it takes forever to cast, does meh damage because kratos INT stat is mediocre and is more then likely going to miss because the tracking is bad. collete and sheenas judgement are way better
>In terms of character they are basically polar opposites.
yeah, all of kratos's problems are his own stupid fault while zelos did nothing wrong
>playing graces for the first time
This fucking dub
My ears
>>342133960
Laura Bailey makes for a cute Cheria
>>342132172
You can swap with the people who are leftover besides the main 4
>all this zestiria hate
Cmon guys, it's not that bad.
>>342132159
>>342132551
>kratos
>more fluid in combat than zelos
Are you for fucking real? Zelos' moves are all ABOUT fluidity. Kratos can't even finish a basic attack string without taking a whole goddamn second to right himself.
I have played well over 500 hours of Symphonia, I know what I'm talking about.
>can't cast some of the spells Kratos can
The only spell Zelos can't learn that Kratos can is Judgment; and in the HD remaster, Guardian Field.
>kratos is a better character because of his voice actor
That's just fucking ridiculous. And just because he has a deep voice doesn't make him the end-all-be-all of voice acting in Symphonia, Shiloh Strong does an amazing job as Zelos himself.
In any case, Zelos' backstory is all about being born as a chosen, having so much expected of him, and just wishing he could live the life he wants to, not what Tethe'alla wants him to. He has as much depth as Kratos- not that you would know, assuming you never went through his Flanoir events.
>>342133331
>It means he has a longer range and is somewhat faster and easier to play as than Zelos is.
Again. I have played well over 500 hours of Symphonia. Kratos is significantly slower than Zelos, and their basic attacks have no bearing on their range. You're getting confused because Kratos generally uses Longswords while Zelos generally uses Daggers, despite both of them being able to use both.
>It can absolutely the health bars of party members. Lloyd almost always either dies or gets most of his health taken out if it hits him.
Are you seriously basing the usefulness of an arte on how much damage output it has when the enemy uses it? That's kind of silly. Compared to Grand Cross, Judgment is far too inaccurate to be of much use in most of the tougher fights in the game.
>>342132974
>Grace/Xillia2/Vesperia/Abyss/Destiny DC are better battle wise.
all these games are jokes because you can just free run around the screen willy nilly and/or juggle bosses endlessly
symphonia doesn't have broken as fuck free run, and outside of spell cancel or very specific setups/multiplayer you can't juggle bosses for more then around 20/30 hits
the difficulty itself just makes the enemy stronger, but the fact that you die way faster means that you have to do all kinds of stuff to avoid taking the damage in the first place because you can't just instantly invalidate a boss with freerun/infinite combo
characters in these games being more fun is an opinion, to me they all feel the fucking same of being able to juggle people forever, the only difference being exactly how many spells they have and what kinds
>try Symphonia on PC
>yellow vaseline smeared on screen
>framerate feels like I'm playing a PS3 game
>no outlines
>find mods
>fixes almost everything except for 60fps
>mod developer says he can't get it to 60 properly without the source code
BAMCOOOO
>>342133960
Enjoying Bryce Papenbrook?
