am I the only one who thinks e-sports/competitive games are the cancer killing videogames?
what happened to my hobby for nerds that was all about fun and not some dickwaving contest to see who spends the most time memorizing pointless shit that nobody cares about?
I agree with ya but feel we're the minority. Gaming is on it's way out.
I don't care about competitive gaming so I just ignore it. Like, who cares? How is that killing gaming?
>am I the only one who thinks e-sports/competitive games are the cancer killing videogames?
why do you think that
>what happened to my hobby for nerds that was all about fun and not some dickwaving contest to see who spends the most time memorizing pointless shit that nobody cares about?
you can just ignore it right? RIGHT??
or go play singleplayer games who cares
>>342082889
The need to have the best graphics have always been the cancer killing video games.
It's made video games too expensive to develop for, making the "mid-budget" games during 6th gen impossible, so now we either have fancy looking AAA games that need to sell millions to break even, or indie pixelshit.
>>342082889
All the e-sports propaganda is cancer but what's wrong with competitive games?
>>342082982
Any day now...
>>342082889
Gaming will survive esports, no problem. Big Money Esports are relatively new, so everyone is hopping on the hype train. It'll calm down in a couple years. Gaming as a whole will never be a relatively niche nerdy hobby again though, it's too accessible and a lot of the stigmas of playing video games are now gone. Time passes, things change, embrace the stuff you like and ignore the stuff you don't.
>>342082889
>am I the only one who thinks e-sports/competitive games are the cancer killing videogames?
killed them fucking dead
I think social media is more of the cancer, a byproduct of said "competitive" when some people aren't even that good, when some of us rather have a real job instead too while not sacrificing our reflexes or strategy.
>>342082889
God damn dude, warn me next time you come around here with that sharp of an edge. You nearly cut my arm off.
You must realise that it is not the games' fault for promoting this...cancer, but the market that supports its existence instead.
Because of capitalism, game makers are essentially pressured to appeal to the highest possible amount of people (money generators).
>>342082889
t. low test beta
Competition is always good. The only people who hate it are scrubs and nu-males.
>>342082889
>memorizing
What kind of shit games rely on memorization?
>he has never felt the rush of a tight competitive fighting game match
Outsmarting your opponent.
A hype comeback.
Making an ultimate read making him look like a fool.
The feeling of defeating an opponent you couldn't before.
Traveling with your friends to a big event.
Entering as a squad at the venue, and taking names. That feeling of brotherhood in team vs team matches.
The lightness of your soul when the audience cheers for you, and the boiling blood rush when everybody is against you.
The great feeling of victory.
It's sad. I can't feel anything but pity towards you. You probably still play single player games as a escape mechanism.
>>342082889
things that sell millions of units aren't obscure
things advertised on television
things with television shows dedicated to them
Games just dont cater to our demographic anymore OP. Thank god for gigantic backlogs.
>>342082889
>/v/ is now more casual than the general multiplayer video games audience
What happened?
>>342083736
t. e-sport watcher
>>342082889
>>342083718
devs still make single player games???
literally what are you faggots whining about
>>342082889
What are you talking about, OP? They still make a ton of casual (AKA Single-player) games.
>>342082889
>that was all about fun and not some dickwaving contest
It was ALWAYS a dickwaving contest though. Even if you never directly participated in it, everyone was competing over high scores on Pac Man, or finding the fastest way through Metroid, or charging eachother to beat their Guile or Chun Li or Sub Zero or Riptor
Video games have been mainstream for the past decade now where have you been?
Video games aren't even a nerd hobby anymore.
>>342083561
not everyday you get pasta this fresh
>>342083561
Armada needs to lose weight before he gets Mango/Hbox tier fat.
>>342083561
Uuaa is nasty to look at imo
>>342082889
My brother got a chance to get into the big league of Dota2 and missed on the train.
He is still salty 2 years after that even and he doesn't really play videogames except that type.
my opinion on it that its a big scam for people who got there first and everyone else gets the middle finger.
>>342084085
No problem, man.
Eat it up.
Best pasta is the fresh pasta of 100% truth.
Truth is always tasty.
>>342084159
I don't think he'll ever get that fat.
>>342084182
Danny is a bro. I know him IRL. CFL MELEE REPRESENT
>>342084196
I hope he went to school or something
god knows most pros who aren't good personalities won't have a future after their days of playing for money are over
>>342084243
MI > CFL
>>342082889
I don't like streamers, let's plays and e-sports but that doesn't make them "cancer killing videogames"
>>342083114
Hey I agree, and pretty graphics always means static cardboard worlds.
>>342083828
>watching other people play other than to try and figure out how to improve yourself
>implying I have the patience for that anyways
>>342082889
Either you like competitive multiplayer games and you play them, or you don't and you play one of the myriad single player games available.
You've kind of manufactured a problem so you could whine about people liking things you don't.
>>342084362
>I hope he went to school or something
He just finished highschool and in two months he is off to uni where his play time will be minimal.
As of right now he is pub star,has played against 90% of all the popular dota2 players and I havent seen him lose a match against them.
The problem is finding team/manager that will actually need you services and that is tough since all that shit is taken care off long time ago when dota 2 was starting.
Its a shame really.
>>342082889
>all about fun and not some dickwaving contest to see who spends the most time memorizing pointless shit that nobody cares about?
Scorefaggotry has been in videogames since there were highscores. And e-sports/competitive gaming has no impact on me at all.
I wouldn't even know competitive gaming was a big thing if other people didn't mention it. I pay, almost quite literally, no attention to other people in videogames.
>>342083478
competition is displacement for your lack of purpose in life. you cant find enjoyment in your every day surroundings so you need a primitive form of self congratulation to lack onto.
>>342082889
>>342082982
You two are literally retarded. The moment games introduced a score board it was over. As human beings we are naturally competetive, if you where a kid with siblings, you and your bro/sis would go back and forth on tetris to see who can get the highest score(mario, sonic etc)
At their core video games have always been competitive, this adds replay value as you spend hours trying to the game screen to light up with "NEW HIGH SCORE!"
You're literally just a faggot.
>>342082889
>what happened to my hobby for nerds that was all about fun and not some dickwaving contest to see who spends the most time memorizing pointless shit that nobody cares about?
>>342084926
Perfect image, except videos have been competitive since their existence.
Pong, the first video game ever, is purely competitive for example. OP is just an idiot.
>>342082889
I hope you posted this image as "look at this cringe" and not as "thats so me lol"
I still have games made for my tastes. Theres probably just as many or even more of them when I really think about it.
>>342084875
Highscores were just a bonus, most people weren't even trying to go for them. Modern games in change are tailored around being competitive or "e-sport friendly", this is a FACT
>>342082889
E-sports has been around for ages, you know, it's not a new and sudden blight
Were you just not alive when brood war was at its peak?
>>342083561
>these are the thoughts going through a smashbabbie's head when he's wavedashing back and forth
>>342085708
Wavedancing takes too many frames, Dashdancing is more effective.
>>342084875
not really. culturally, maybe. all human beings? think you are ignorant. but I think competition being intrinsic to euro culture is a large reason why it's more advanced than others
>>342082889
competitiveness is easier to release endorphins with due to the sheer difference between fighting an AI and fighting a person.
Competitive games are stressful, but reward a different flavor of positive feedback which is why people find them addiciting
You can argue real sports are just as pointless
>Haha so much fun putting a thing in a thing.
>>342086838
>so much fun putting a thing in a thing
That is fun, anon. And it's also lewd, this is a blue board.
Becoming a professional is not a bad thing for the industry
>>342082889
But I have fun playing competitive games with my friends.
>>342088573
>competitive games with my friends
>>342088721
>Muh win streak in a competitive team game
Found the problem.
You want movie games?
>>342084868
i have never seen a more obvious 'ive never been competent at anything in my life, ever' statement
It's not a new thing. Back in the early-mid 2000's when I was teenager, all normie dudebro chads played Counter-Strike 1.6 and took it fucking seriously. It was all about dickwaving and "ooga booga fite me irl nerd"
>>342082889
Funny, because videogames used to be hard as balls. Even casuals were in it for the challenge back then.
Name a single thing that e-sports/competitive focus does that 'ruins' games
Protip:You can't
>>342085967
>what is biological competition
>>342090745
It reminds /v/ posters that they'll never have any value to anyone, and they'll never be able to break out of their shell and get good at something they love to appreciate it on a whole new level
>>342090643
>"ooga booga fite me irl nerd"
Sounds like the current state of fighting games community.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJfLKtGlfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3UHJ09S88s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGTk61pIlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsMoGBsjhEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WFDSy341XY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eku7Grt5XMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oR0IapLAjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_4WlYX3DU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf8f5qy7zQU
>>342090643
Exactly. Dudebros and unsuccessful normalfags jumped in and they felt the need to validate all their insecurities by being good at something pointless like online videogames.
>>342084604
This.
/thread
>>342082889
But anon, 'professional' sports are how you turn a fun hobby into a corporatised profit generating revenue stream!!! EVERYTHING JUST HAS TO BE AN FOR-PROFIT INDUSTRY NOW. It's like you're not a corporate owned wageslave or something!
Remember to buy todds skyrim remaster. And fo4. With all dlc. And install win 10.
And don't forget to renew your subscriptions for your mmos and office 365 and your 'antivirus'
>>342090856
>current state
it was basically always like that
why do you think only niggers and vietniggers play fighting games?
>>342082889
e-sports is cool an all, but it's not fun when Koreans are the only people who are strong enough to practice for 17 hours a day
It gets really stale
>>342091217
>skyrim remaster
>fo4
>advertisted as esports or competitive games
what the fuck is this...
>>342091225
>it was basically always like that
yeah you are probably right
>>342083114
Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
>>342090745
They strip out the games from fun elements to make it "fair" to everyone OR they overcasualize the gameplay so everyone can play it.
>>342091342
>fair to everyone
>bad
yep sounds like im on /v/ alrght
>>342084875
I bet you try to beat everyone at Monopoly and get pissed when someone else wins. Videogames exist for entertainment. If you want are entertained by competition that's fine, but a lot of people aren't. No one is competing when they see a movie, read a book, or listen to music. People don't want to be constantly competing when they're playing videogames either.
Saying videogames have always been competitive was true until adventure games and narrative-driven games became a thing.
>>342082889
The reason I hate fighting games threads, especially Street fighter threads. DOA and Tekken threads are chill though.
>>342082889
I thought it was alright back when you had arena shooters and rts were big. Now you have people trying to play stuff like Overwatch competitively and those games just weren't designed for that.
>>342091340
>80 mil for GT5
Someone is laundering money.
Call IRS.
>>342091463
Overwatch was literally designed to be le ebin reddit esport tho
>>342091398
I put "fair" on quotation marks for a reason.
>>342091463
>>342091342
>they design their game inherently to be unfun or casual
>they design their game without e-sports in mind and e-sports is forced onto it
choose one
>>342082889
>hobby for nerds
PS1 happened 20 yrs ago.
>>342091484
Car lcenses cost money, anon
>people who compare playing video games or e"sports" to sports
>you have to eat, train and think like an athlete
>physical games are still games just like computer games
>e-athletes send more time training than real athletes
give me a fucking break
>>342091527
ok so the game is unfair and your argument doesn't make any sense
And with the assumption that you're going to say im wrong or I don't understand, please elaborate
>>342090745
Emphasis on balance and "fairness" ahead of fun.
Example: Perfect Dark multiplayer vs DotA. Which was more memorable and enjoyable? Your answer is completely subjective, but a lot of people are going to say PD.
E-sports focus is fine, but devs are trying to make every game a fucking e-sport and it is killing the sport and hurting the medium because no one wants to make a game that isn't "e-sports balanced"
>>342091605
Try competing against gooks, anon.
Playing vidya for 17 hours a day every day is not easy.
Not everyone can do it
>>342091340
Stalker and Witcher were cheap because the designers got paid in sacks of potatoes.
>>342091410
Monopoly is too random to be played truly competitively, you have very limited influence over the outcome of a match. The definition of a game is an activity that has a win and fail state. That inherently makes it competitive. Movies, books and music do not have victory and failure conditions. You sit there and take it in, passively. In adventure games you typically have death states, dead ends and bad ends. You are still competing, just against the 'CPU' as it is known.
>>342091671
still not a sport though
>>342091636
>but a lot of people are going to say PD
say that to everyone who plays DotA 2 which has a much larger player base than Perfect Dark
>that's because DotA is free
Frozen Throne wasn't and even that had a larger playerbase
>>342091567
they dont cost 80 mil I can assure you of that.
Plus they are using the same engine for years now so "development money" is on no basis.
tfw you might actually be an extrovert
>>342091501
That is because redditors think luck based rock paper scissors gameplay is conducive to competitive play.
>>342091736
Not a sport, true
>>342091287
>an example of horrible 'business practices' and 'corporate ethics' shitting up the HOBBY of VIDEO GAMES
>somehow has nothing to do with 'esports' and 'competitive gaming' and other 'business practices' and "corporate ethics" shitting up the HOBBY of VIDEO GAMES
Lrn2ReadingComprehension. Fuck.
>/v/irgins still can't come up with reasons why competitive gaming focus is bad beyond vague "they make it casual" or "they make it too fair" complaints
As if non-competitive games like Skyrim haven't become much more casual too.
>>342091082
So its still the same as now
>>342082889
I think e-sport/fightan game culture is shit. There is nothing technically bad with competitive games. It's fun to fight with friends/random people. Like the souls series. The community is cancerous. However I couldn't imagine how boring the game would be without invasions.
>>342084868
Yeah really, it's pretty sick.
Mobile games are what's killing gaming. They have really cancerous souless Business model, and soon and surely they will spread to every game.
Competition in video games is fine.
That competition should be friendly, fun, and not as serious as everybody takes it.
MOBAs are cancer.
Metas are cancer.
Go on reddit and say that video games isn't a sport, just go and try fucker
>>342091952
It turns the industry from a 'make products for entertainment for profit' into a 'make mass produced volume product of as little quality and expenditure as possible and establish a cycle of gross overconsumption to justify high profit margin end user price points and fuck as many people over as hard as possible. As much as possible. As often as possible.
We aren't the user anymore. We are the 'consumer base' and corporations want to own all of it.
Its how you turn people into products instead of actually providing them a service or product for profit.
>>342091952
Do real sports dumb down their gameplay to make it more accessible for the masses? No. So I don't see why "esports" should.
>>342092250
This is an even more vague and arguably worse reason than 'they make it casual' and 'they make it too fair'
>>342082889
>implying videogames weren't always a dickwaving contest to see who spends the most time memorizing pointless shit no one cares about
It's shit but there's tons of shit things about modern gaming:
- Gambling - whether paid or free, gambling makes people addicted far after they would have normally lost interest
- Cutting gameplay to get it out the door faster - who gives a fuck if it isn't finished, we'll market the shit out of it and make millions! People are easily swayed by flashy graphics and cutscenes.
To name just two things.
>>342084016
literally no one cared about that shit, they still don't
only delusional fucks like billy mitchell cared that much
dota has such a low fucking skill ceiling for an individual player, that's the genius of it. everyone can play and maintain a 50/50 win rate for their mmr bracket, but really they're just playing a one unit RTS with ez MMO abilities
i personally like high scores etc, but people always laughed at people who legitimately cared about that shit
>>342083051
>you can just ignore it right?
No, you can't, because they take over and dominate games to the point you can be banned for playing for fun
THIS is the main audience of e-sports now
go have """"""fun""""" with something else, nerd
>>342092379
It isn't vague at all. Pretty much ever MBA or w/e they call masters in business programs in uni's in every western world is now a raging hardon generator for neo capitalism.
Old school capitalism was about making dosh so you could stay in business. Keep employees on full-time salaried positions. Because they have families. Mortgages. Car payments. You wanted capital left over not spent on anything just in case bad shit happened in the future. You wanted diversification to protect your busines long term.
Now 'business" is about finding something exploitable. Be it a legal loophole. niche group or an industry that isn't neo capitalist.
Then getting in there and fucking strip mining the fuckers as hard and as quickly as you can.
>old school capitalism is like farming
>neocapitalism is a continuous never ending plague of fucking locusts.
>>342085230
To compare pong to todays "IF YOU AREN'T PLAYING META I AM GOING TO REPORT YOU/VOTE KICK YOU! YOU NEED TO PLAY TO WIN NO FUN ALLOWED" is inherently disingenuous.
People were allowed to play Pong casually and no competitive pong association dictated or ruined pong. You have some games that start out fun and casual and get the E SPOOOOOOORTS dickery forced on them. The worst offenders are blizzard games, where it's not about how skilled you are but how popular you are
>>342091731
>too random
so are nearly all games with the exception of FPS games like CS and RTS like SC
Fighting games are advanced rock paper scissors duels when it comes down to it, and MOBAs have such a low skill ceiling that the game can be over in the opening pick of characters for the team
>>342092843
>Now 'business" is about finding something exploitable. Be it a legal loophole. niche group or an industry that isn't neo capitalist.
>Then getting in there and fucking strip mining the fuckers as hard and as quickly as you can.
This is what the 80's and Reaganomics brought on. The birth of the "soulless business conman" who is solely interested in money and not anything else, to the point he'd side against his country, his family etc for an extra buck
>>342092740
[citation needed]
>>342092934
I think Smash is a worse offender.
>>342083561
>What kind of shit games rely on memorization
>>342093097
League, dota. You can be reported for playing in a non-meta way and my friends do it almost every game to people who dare to build outside "the meta"
And then there was that time some dev banned a guy in League for randoming
>>342091340
very good cherrypicking
>>342093201
ohh boy
does anybody have that image?
brings joy to my heart every time I hear about it
AAA games especially cinematic ones are far more harmful to the future of gaming then e-sports is.
When will /v/ realise that the future of gaming rests in the hands of indie devs and small companies? You do understand that developers just don't care about you anymore right?
>>342093331
I think esports are far more harmful because I have actually lost entire genres of games to it.
>>342093331
>When will /v/ realise that the future of gaming rests in the hands of indie devs and small companies?
There is no future. What few exist get eaten up by the big fish. This is honestly why capitalism does not work
>>342090806
Just because it's natural doesn't mean it can't be a meme. I mean, name something that isn't natural?
>>342082889
It's not the competition itself that's the problem (after all as many in the thread have pointed out, most games, even old ones, are competitive on some level), it's the fact that e-sports games are literally designed to be nothing BUT competition - gameplay, music, art etc. are all afterthoughts to "how can we encourage people to spend all day doing ranked matches and stroking their epeens" or some shit. Overwatch for example seems really boring to me, it's literally another generic arena shooter but with even more epeen bullshit that MOBA faggots eat up. It's usually younger, more autistic gamers who care about their rank, I used to be one myself but as I got older I stopped caring.
>>342082889
I find e-sports incredibly easy to ignore, and likewise my friends who play DOTA/CS and watch matches of them barely know anything about the rest of the industry.
>>342093694
What's sad is I wanted overwatch so I could have casual fun like back in the day with TF2 but I am quickly realizing MUH ESPORTS is going to be the sole deciding factor of this games direction
>>342093076
Exactly. Business used to be one of the most respectable professions.
Now you're on par with lawyers and politicians on the 'slimy thieving murdering lying cunt' tier.
>>342094642
I actually rank businessman far worse than any of those. Easily the most evil group of people. Most of the sucessful ones are legitimate sociopaths
I used play games to unwind, now its just another stress factor
>>342094809
Yep. That research came out a few years ago now.
>the ceo's, cfo's and coo's etc named responded with 'So? We're successful. We make money. Do you even have a point?"
>>342082889
>am I the only one who thinks e-sports/competitive games are the cancer killing videogames?
You're never the only one. Also explain why you believe that.
>what happened to my hobby for nerds that was all about fun
Competition is fun. Multiplayer in inherently competitive because people love to compete.
Was majority of games aren't e-sports games.
>>342093201
Lol examples. Not dota example. In dota reports dont do shit and devs dont even play, they only care about money.
>>342093201
This is the main problem with e-sports games imo, when meta shit takes over, the game stops being fun and is just more work. Why even bother?
>>342092124
>>342093201
>>342092934
what the shit is meta
>>342082889
people enjoy all kind of games, including competitive ones. Word "game" itself implies some sort of competition. The "nerds" you're talking about are the competitive core in any game. No, just because competitive games are popular doesn't mean they're bad and that everybody must play them exclusively. Have a nice day!
>>342096175
Things that only happen in LoL.
>>342096497
Meta means "going beyond the original medium".
In games it's being told how to play because it's the "best" or "most efficient" way. e.g.
>You need to use build x and these tactics in order to maximize your DPS with this character in this situation
You could program a bot to do that shit for you. You can go on youtube and find loads of Dark Souls 3 PvP meta videos about "epic noob killer builds, use this weapon, don't use this weapon" etc.
>>342082889
What's wrong with eSports? It's celebrating the best players of a game and elevating it from something you do with your friends or by yourself in a basement to a massive event on a grand, international scale.
It's bringing gaming outside. It's making gaming serious business. It's making gaming not just for kids.
Also, people complain it's just practicing the same crap over and over. So what? It's the same as a football player practicing his kicks over and over until he gets it perfect. Or a basketball player practicing shooting the ball until he gets it just right.
Why do people not like eSports? I really don't understand.
>>342096852
Thank you for your useless and uninformed input.
>>342096964
>what's so bad about normiefying this hobby!
>>342096978
Sorry I don't agree with OP, next time I'll try to be more upset about non-existant problems.
>>342096964
>It's making gaming serious business.
Yep, sucking the fun out of it and replacing it with tryhard bullshit.
>>342097084
What IS bad about normiefying it? Would you rather people look down on you for playing video games rather than accept it as something people like to do in their spare time? Making games accessible is bad.
>>342097189
Tryhard bullshit like what? eSports only affects the professionals. Nothing the NFL does will affect a family playing a game of football in the weekends. And if people want to push themselves to be better at the game, why not let them? No one thinks the guy spending hours mastering chess is just wasting his time after all.
>>342096964
>It's celebrating the best players of a game
Bullshit.
Its business being the best has nothing to do with it.
>>342097298
they look tired
also, what does it have to do with my post, anon?
>>342097394
Your comparison of e-sports to real sports doesn't really work, you KNOW if you join a game of Leage, dota, or Overwatch it's going to be filled with
>"GG NO RE LOLOLOLOL"
>"OMG FUKING NOOB RUSH MID RUSH MID"
>"kick that guy he doesnt know what hes doing"
>"CYKA BLYAT"
>"wow you came bottom in that last match and your KD is only 2:1, sorry but we need to replace you"
Saying "eSports only affects the professionals" isn't true, because games like that assume everyone who plays is or wants to be a professional, there's no casual matches in those games.
>>342097502
Pure Pwnage: Teh Movie. It has it's relevance to this discussion. Go watch it.
>>342097394
i'll play devil's advocate here
A big argument against "normiefying" something is that because the lion's share of the market gets moved from the original fans to the new majority, and in most cases the suppliers change what they do to fit the demand, which means in this case "normie games"
this is just basic supply and demand, and they're upset because it means the demand has increased, and also altered at least in some ways the supply
>>342097394
>No one thinks the guy spending hours mastering chess is just wasting his time after all
Please tell them to explain why Magnus Carlsen is a beta virgin with no skills or life experiences but playing chess.
>>342082889
Everything with competiiton has a tournament scene. Even dog-grooming has a pro scene.
>having that retarded image saved
Stop being autistic.
>>342097613
Maybe you should leave the trench?
>>342092798
actually that guy is a total bro and started playing cs long before it was 'cool'.
When was video games not about e-peen?
Back in NES days we used to compete with scores and speed runs.
In PS1 era folks would post their maxed out JRPG characters.
I don't remember a time when there was no douchebags telling how much better he is at game X.
>>342097785
That is whoever you meant by "noone".
>>342097613
World of Warcraft PvE has always had elitism in it, while also never having an esports scene
to place the sole blame for elitism on esports is ignorant and ignores this fact
>>342097645
not really a cinema fan, and
>Kyle wants to make a Pure Pwnage movie and has to do some convincing because Jeremy is now living the suburban life and doesn't want to participate.
the synopsis doesn't make me feel particulary interested. Is it based on a book?
>>342097843
>asking who Pure Pwnage are, on /v/
>not spending even 3 seconds searching and reading the results
>autistic pictures with every post
We got ourselves an le epin memer
>>342082889
It became an industry. With money, investors and profit margins and all that cutthroat corporative capitalism bullshit.
>>342082889
>things i dont like
>THE WORST CANCER KILLING VIDEOGAMES
reason why niche shit dying out and its all about that AAA & blue ocean market
>>342091731
>books do not have victory and failure conditions.
>>342082889
This is the very reason i stopped playing fighting games.
Tourneyfags suck all the fun out of it.
>>342098407
I don't know, I like watching tourneys. Some crazy plays and salt comes from high level comps.
>>342097398
There will always be a business part of it, sure. Just like any competitive event. It's not like these event don't cost anything and profitability indicates viability. Besides, the players get a nice chunk of change too.
>>342097613
But people do that in non-competitive co-op games or games without eSports scenes anyway. That's just the internet being the internet.
>>342097659
So older fans are afraid of being left behind for newer fans. While that does make sense, people are afraid of this boogeyman and blame it for everything so it's hard to take it seriously. I believe I saw people blaming Diablo 3's lighting changes on casualisation and it was just making the game less darker for example.
That and a lot of these arguments are about making things more convenient and not necessarily easier for newer players. Features that should of been included from the start to make playing less obtuse.
In the end, you can't change the formula too much before you alienate the fans. They liked the game for a reason, you know.
>>342097785
Most people would agree it's better than being a beta virgin with no skills or life experiences but playing video games, even if they can't tell you what the difference is. But really, it's that chess is seen as "acceptable" and video games aren't.
>>342098560
around 2004/5 someone threatened to stab me because i beat them in a mvc2 tourney.
>>342098407
Tourneyfags push you to get better at the game. If you're not willing to improve, then stop coming to tourneys and wasting peoples' time. Tourneyfags in a casual setting are usually cool people, and it's very rare to find a tourneyfag who legitimately treats every type of match like he's playing for money.
>>342082889
How are you defining 'killing'? Esports is making video games grow faster than just about anything ever has.
Do you really believe quality of single player or RPG games are going to decrease just because Esports is growing?
>>342098703
they must've been overflowing with sodium
>>342098721
local tourneys with friends and friends of friends can be fun, but big events are a clusterfuck of egos and loudmouthed faggery.
insulting my parentage or calling me a huge gaylord do nothing to improve my game.
I enjoy playing games competitively but only if im winning.
>>342098703
And people threaten to rape female gamers at tourneys just for existing, why do you think they all roll around in all-female teams?
>>342097189
>>342097189
Last time i checked people were still running around with p90 and micspamming regardless of what Fnatic or Astralis did
The cancer killing games are studios killing games outright familia
The cancer killing games is that the gaming industry is evolving faster than anyone had plans for and no one can steer or control it. Everyone is trying to cover their own asses in case everything goes to shit, which counter-intuitively is causing everything to go to shit.
No one knows what will sell, so they just stick to the old standards and spew out the same annual games over and over. Except people get tired of them eventually, so developers panic and get more defensive. It's why completely different games can play almost exactly the same.
Here's a game. I'm going to describe an AAA game. You tell me what I'm thinking of.
>It's open world.
>It has stealth elements.
>You have a compass thing on the top of the screen that pinpoints and directs you to points of interest
>You can explore these points of interests but they will always be the same three things: either some resources, a collectible or the same 3 to 5 sub-mission types you do over and over
>There is a fast travel option
>>342082889
>all these casuals ITT who probably get shit on in every game
>WAAAAAHHHHAAHAHAAAAAA E-SPORTS ARE CANCER BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING SHIT ON
e-sports are the future, accept your fate in the pecking order casual babbies
git gud
>>342100265
List of possible games:
Assassin's Creed
Batman Arkham series
MGSV
Skyrim
Fallout
GTA
>>342100265
don't forget:
>simple crafting system
>slight rpg/leveling system
I think it's fine, if you're not into it you can just ignore it for the most part. The occasional article about it popping up is about all I see from the scene.
On the flip side, it's probably really good for the industry. Companies like Blizzard can put a lot more development time into games than other companies like EA who make all their money off of sales and meeting deadlines. Having a few big money makers like WoW and Hearthstone takes the pressure off for other projects.
>>342101374
This too
>>342101227
The game is actuallyMad Max
>>342100265
It's just the current trend, this has been in the industry for ages. Before this it was tacticool shooters, before that it was WW2 games, before that it was Mascot platformers, before that it was movie tie in shovel ware; it's just part of the industry, I don't think it's killing it.
The problem comes with big companies designing games by focus testing a really small group of young guys who don't know any better. They hear that's what the typical 'gamer' likes and push it onto all their games. In a few years it'll be something entirely different. My money is on Overwatch style class-based games.
>>342092740
>banned for having fun
Maybe you're the problem if you think sabotaging for others is "fun". Why would you even play multiplayer games?
>>342083008
It's killing /v/irgin's ego by pretty much assuring them they'll never be good at games.
2004 = "Oh man this guy is good I want to be like him"
2016 = "Fucking MUH HARDCORE GAMERS, just play games for fun faggots"
>>342103552
try 2004 = "Hey, sorry we really can't afford to take you in our raid, you're not quite good enough"
I was pleasantly surprised at how quiet people are in overwatch. For some normie trash online shooter you sure don't get a lot of that rowdy crowd and the kids.
The biggest cancer is the name. "E-Sports"
It's not "sports". The players are not "athletes". They shouldn't travel on sports visas. There's a hard cap on skill, constrained by the developer's code. The only way to innovate is through metagaming which abstracts the whole idea of direct competition. "E-sports" can be summed up as two equal sized bricks being smashed together for half an hour and the biggest remaining chunk is the winner.
It's not entertaining, there's no room for innovation, there's only so much you can do in the developer's closed environment.
Certainly, nobody should be able to make a living from this bullshit.
>>342083561
*tipping intensifies*
>>342083561
I don't get you idiots who COMPETE in video games
I play video games for fun and as a break inbetween competing in Wrestling and Judo. You idiots acting like you understand the glory of victory are literally sitting beside a guy with a controller.
>>342105126
>There's a hard cap on skill, constrained by the developer's code.
Which is why certain games are rubbish for competition like MOBAs but the games with an unreachable hard skill cap are good.
>>342106215
>I play video games for fun
Competition is fun.
Just because someone is competing in video games doesn't mean he isn't having fun.
Any argument that contains some variation of "I'm playing video games for fun" is inherently flawed because it assumes there is only one right way of having fun with video games.
>>342106542
Competition IS fun, but this guy describes it like he's literally going around and destroying everybody.
In most legitimate competitive games, that takes practicing to a point where it isn't even fun. It also sounds extremely cringe to describe playing a fighting game as "going with your squad and kicking ass" or whatever he said.
>>342082889
Only the western scene is affected by this cancer.
You can still play weebshit. Sadly Japs can't into a lot of genres like RTS and FPS.
>>342106705
>but this guy describes it like he's literally going around and destroying everybody.
No he didn't.
In every competitive game, you will destroy anyone who is much worse than you, if you play in a tournament setting you are inevitably going to face lots of people worse than you.
>>342082889
Things changed but guess what? You an ignore everything e-sports/competitive and still play games like you used to. Ignoring the shit you don't care about is a damn facet of life. Learn to embrace it.
>>342092934
>todays "IF YOU AREN'T PLAYING META I AM GOING TO REPORT YOU/VOTE KICK YOU! YOU NEED TO PLAY TO WIN NO FUN ALLOWED"
stop playing retarded moba games then you autist.
play ANY proper 1v1 game and you literally don't have to deal with any of this. go play street fighter 5, starcraft 2, quake live, hell even old niche games like supreme commander still have a healthy competitive community.
>>342096497
metagame = thinking and strategizing that is done outside of the game itself, that shapes the way the game is played at a high level.
stuff like tier lists in fighting games, specific tactics and build orders in RTS, hero compositions and lane setups in mobas.
>>342083114
the platform differences and using exclusivity as leverage has compromised the technical aspect of vidya creation which leads to shitty gfx and performance.
If anyone is to blame its the parties that cannot come with a certain standardization across platforms so developing for consoles wouldnt be as hard as for pc's.
Making good graphics isnt that hard in itself, optimising it and porting it to various platforms is fucked up. Thank the gpu and console/platform manufacturers for that.
>>342096497
it's the bullshit people come up with and then use to explain why you play the game "wrong"
>>342082889
In my opinion it weed out annoying people from good games.
>>342105126
There's a hard cap on skill, constrained by the laws of physics. The only way to innovate is through coming up with game plans which abstracts the whole idea of direct competition. "Sports" can be summed up as two equal sized bricks being smashed together for half an hour and the biggest remaining chunk is the winner
It's not entertaining, there's no room for innovation, there's only so much you can do in the universe's closed environment
Certainly, no one should be able to make a living from this bullshit
>>342112034
kek
>>342082889
E-sports is good. Anyone who hates it is just some 9-5 cubicle monkey jealous that people can make money doing what they do to kill time. That said, what's really killing games is the fact that HD games are much more complex and much more expensive to produce. Companies are less willing to take risks and pander to the lowest common denominator to get the most sales possible. That's why a lot of good games of the past have either disappeared completely or the new incarnations are so accessible a baby could play them.
Can anyone tell me why e-sports faggots are so desperate to prove that their favorite team of neckbeards are "real athletes" and that it's a "real sport"
Fuck off
>>342113262
>that guy who follows every e-sport player like if they were celebrities
>>342113458
>that guy who wants e-sports on actual sports channels
>>342099018
>threaten
As if. All the pathetic virgins do is stare and drool with their lame microboners.
I'm a competitive person, so when I find something I like I want to do it well. If there are other people who like to do that, too, awesome. We can do it together or against each other. If not, no one is making you.
>>342083561
You ARE autism.
>>342082889
e-sports itself is fine. Developing specially to be an e-sport does ruin games though.
First of all, these games are always balanced for the high-end players, which are very, very fast compared to your regular guy, can memorize much more details about the game, and can pull really difficult inputs as a base requirement. Focusing only to this group, games evolve into a state where they constantly push you to play faster and faster, memorize too much info, plus deal with more tedious controls.
After a certain point, playing that is not fun, but stressful, and keeping up with the game feels like a job. Only entertainment you get is when you win a round. This leads to more toxic behavior, irritability to banter, and cheating amongst playerbase.
