What went wrong?
>>342078520
They grew up in their mind. I don't think they even like gameplay anymore.
>>342078520
>best selling franchise
>best selling PS exclusive
>sony mascots
Nothing went wrong at all. In fact, they're doing better than ever.
>>342078782
>more sales means it is better
You are the cancer killing vidya.
>>342078916
Not to mention all their shit gets rave reviews and is beloved by both """critics""" and gamers alike.
I'm not sure what your problem is.
>>342078991
>from gameplay centric fun games to cinematic experiences
Not sure what the problem is, anon.
>>342078520
They've always been a studio that follows the current trend in the vidya industry.
5th gen it was platformers
6th gen it was GTA likes
7th gen it was linear third person shooters with heavy story
>>342078520
Different people work there now.
they lost their best writer
>>342079191
amy pls go
>>342079140
>6th gen it was GTA likes
Even if it copied stealing cars in Jak 2 all of the Jak games are WAY more Banjo Kazooie rip offs than GTA.
>>342079131
What is wrong with cinematic experiences? Do you also hate Half Life because those games are cinematic experiences?
The game-play in the Uncharted games aren't really special but they're not terrible and unplayable. The game-play in TLOU is pretty decent though.
>>342078520
Uncharted 2 happened.
I liked it a lot, but it's clear to see that current Naughtydog was influenced by its success.
>>342078520
Not much.
>>342079265
>The game-play in the Uncharted games aren't really special but they're not terrible and unplayable. The game-play in TLOU is pretty decent though.
Cool, so we agree that they went from making great games to "not terrible and unplayable" or "decent" ones. So you do see what the problem is.
>>342079512
There's nothing great about Crash Bandicoot anon. There was nothing special about the Jak games either.
>>342079752
I will cut you
>>342079752
>Jak wasn't good
I will hurt you.
>>342079814
Replay those games and tell me they're the pinnacle of gaming. The Crash games were glorified PS1 tech demos for all I'm concerned.
Jak and Daxter and Jak were pretty fun, I like them, but there is absolutely nothing special about them.
>>342079846
There's a difference between not being good and not being special.
all the good devs left years ago. same thing that happened to rareware
They turned into a technical wizard company at the expense of gameplay.Not that I mind, since it's cool to see a developer push a set piece of hardware as hard as possible
>>342079846
this
>>342080685
nope
Reminder that the majority of ND haters still believe they own Crash
>>342080876
Tess > Kiara > Ashelin
>>342078520
>pc babbies saying they are a bad dev because of NEVER EVER
>>342078520
Not a goddamn thing.
>>342081224
>>342081265
>Sonygger praising these shitheaps because it's all they've got to "play"
>>342079752
Yeah those games are absolute shit and the crash remasters will fail
>>342082452
>all they've got
>>342082650
You could say the remasters will crash
>>342078520
Go and look at the devs of crash and jak. They mostly all had the same team. You very clearly see a shift when uncharted hit. The makers of jak and crash moved on, and you see Amy Hennig take over.
Now, for me, Uncharted 1 was a decent enough game. Its shit compared to what the company made before tho. Uncharted 2 was great. 3 sucked balls, never played the last of us, not a fan of uncharted 4.
In all honesty, the company should have changed its name when they started on the uncharted series. They were AND ARE not Naughty dog anymore.
>>342083182
>>342078520
>they left Crash to this terrible fate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg7zcd7Akuw
>>342078520 (OP)
>played video games since 1989
>enjoyed platformers, RPGs, pretty much the works
>really enjoyed when Ninja Gaiden attempted a more narrative based story
>wanted for years for video games to be more cinematic
>fast forward almost 30 years
>video games are now everywhere, with something for everyone, including those who've been waiting years for more cinematic games and those who just wanted simple fun arcade games to play with friends
>mfw /v/ constantly pretends that one exists while the other doesn't, despite such an oversaturated market
>>342084434
If they're remaking the Crash series from the ground up for PS4, then that's not a simple remaster. I sincerely doubt it'll have the same mechanics.
>>342084469
>>342084295
But it fucking dosent, nothing can just be childish fun anymore, everything has too be deep and cinematic.
I am no mariofag, but i appreciate how the series is pretty basic on its plot, similar to how Bugs bunny and Mickey has no lore, just characters that can be shoved anywhere.
I'm sorry but Bruce Straley is the greatest gameplay designer in the western world:
-Uncharted 2
-The Last of Us
-Uncharted 4
is there anything else even out there with combat that feels like how it is in TLOU? That whole "balance of power" thing? You could say Uncharted plays kinda like Gears of War (just more arcadey and with a lot more player mobility), but TLOU combat feels pretty unique.
>>342084640
>it fucking dosent, nothing can just be childish fun anymore
>immediately talks about how mario is childish fun
>>342084796
Oh really? i dont remind Mario being famous because its plot or contriving backstory.
>>342084640
>Uncharted
>not childish fun
Anon, it's literally a love letter to campy adventure movies. Even Uncharted 4, the most serious entry, ended up being upbeat and happy later on.
>>342084641
>that one anon who is literally shilling all over 4chan constantly checking everything related to naughty dog/uncharted and shitting out his dumb opinion
anon, its time to kill yourself
>>342078520
Uncharted 4.
>>342083889
naughty dog's focus on story definitely ratcheted up by jak 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsEBHgcAq4
>>342085010
I couldn't be bothered to finish it after the motorbike scene. So fucking shit.
>>342084894
>completely missing the point
Read the post again. There are a shitload of games that pander to virtually any taste. If you want a serious, dramatic experience, you've got, to name one example, Last of Us. If you want a fun, gameplay heavy platformer with no need for lore, you've got games like Mario, Kirby, Sonic whenever its head isn't up its ass, etc. You want a fast-paced multiplayer shooter with zero plot, take your fucking pick, there's hundreds.
There is something for everyone these days. Saying there isn't is being willfully ignorant just so you can have the excuse to whine.
>>342084894
>that reading comprehension
save us amy
>>342085291
>despite disappointment of no female link
Did he even E3?
>>342078624
The Uncharted games have shit loads of puzzles, platforming and shootouts so I'm pretty sure they still do gameplay.
>>342085060
Back when the balance was good. Like i said, Uncharted 1 was lacking in many ways, Uncharted 2 we see the evolution they talk about, a grand great game that builds and expands. But there was no evolution with 3, and 4 was nothing special, and the minor improvements took 7 years from uncharted 2.
>>342085518
The puzzles and platforming are an absolute joke, anon.
>>342085518
Uncharted 3's puzzles were the only good ones.
They weren't good adventure game-tier, but they were definitely a step up from the first two games.
How were the puzzles in 4?
Uncharted 2 is the only good Uncharted game.
>>342078520
Bad opinions all over this thread. God, you people are shit.
>>342085596
No real need. Uncharted 2 was as good as it got. Virtually perfect blend of story and gameplay for that team and for that franchise. When the decided to get creative, they moved on to a new IP, while making minor tweaks to the one they'd already basically mastered.
If you jump into a sequel, particularly a third or fourth sequel, expecting something markedly different, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
>>342078520
>What went wrong?
easy money
>>342084894
Haha I also want to point out your retardation, eat shit
>>342078520
Nothing that hadn't already happened years ago. /v/ is full of contrarians who always choose bitterness over enjoyment.
>>342085846
Im fine with that, its just that the games should not have been scored that high. Uncharted 1 is like a 6/10, uncharted 2 is like a 8.5/10, 3 is a 6/10 and 4 is a 7/10, just rough scores i gave em fast, but they all are 90+. I mean, this doesnt let me not sleep at night, dont care too much.
>>342085596
The puzzles aren't overly difficult sure, if that's what you're saying, and I quite enjoy the platforming, especially when you can mix it in with the gunfights, like hanging from a cliff for cover, swinging between platforms to dodge bullets, or even climbing around enemies if you feel like trying to be stealthy.
You might not like it but there is a wide variety of gameplay.
>>342086258
Yeah, they're not masterpieces, and I doubt Naughty Dog really intended them to be. By that point in the Uncharted franchise they just wanted to shell out one last hurrah for the fans with 4, and the ultimately made another good game. Not a revolutionary masterpiece, but it was no Kingdom of the Crystal Skull either.
The way I see it, if I have fun with the game, then it was worth playing. I had fun with 4.
Never listen to pro reviews. They're just trying to sell games. Anything that looks like it's gonna sell well is gonna get a high review unless it's unforgivably broken on many levels.
Only /v/ dislikes naughty dog.
I absolutely loved my first play through of tlou
>>342081163
The majority are PC guys. At least that's what it looks like. So many false flags that it's hard to tell anymore. Sony is reviled on /v/, and anything related to it is caught in the crossfire. I don't care about system politics. I just like playing video games, and Naughty Dog have made many games over the years that I really enjoy playing. I'm currently playing Uncharted 4 multiplayer and just beat Guacamelee Super EX Plus Alpha Turbo Edition. /v/ is mostly filled with shit posting sour grapes. If a game is fun, I will play it. I own a PC that I built for playing games, and own the 'next-gen'they are current generation at this point.systems being: PS4, WiiU, XBOXONE, 3DS, and Vita. The only one that I really regret purchasing is the XBOXONE every exclusive the console has is also on the PC, granted you have to have a Windows 10 install, but still that shit pisses me off. The XBOXONE was already mostly a paper weight and now that some of the exclusive games I've been waiting for are finally here they are also on PC making the purchase of an XBOXONE redundant. I'm glad that I bought it for next to nothing.
>>342086258
Maybe on a real review scale but on the videogame 7-10 scale they're a solid 8 except 2 which is a 9.
>>342078520
man 2015-2016 really are all about remakes. It's like devs don't give a shit anymore or are too scared to try something new
>>342086527
The puzzles are extremely easy. I personally dont understand how one can "enjoy" uncharted platforming, i guess you must suck extremely hard at platforming and the no fail rate of uncharted appeals to you. I didnt say i did not like it. Its just a joke, thats for sure.
>>342086681
Good enough for me, just dont like it how people try to make it how uncharted 4 is the best in the series and how its a 10/10.
>>342086824
I was mainly comparing the games to each other, and not on a real review scale.
>>342084469
I started around '85 or '86. I feel the exact same way as you. Games are everywhere. It's almost impossible to keep up with them. Every other day something really interesting and cool comes out. If you only listen to people here though, games have never been good and are all shit, and they will always be shit. /v/ wasn't always this way. It was more like a faster moving /vg/. People just discussed games. Now it just seems that the goal is to shit post every game into fucking oblivion. The list of /v/ accepted games changes everyday, and will change to suit any stupid argument. Unfortunately there really isn't a better place on the internet to discuss games.
>>342087375
>Good enough for me, just dont like it how people try to make it how uncharted 4 is the best in the series and how its a 10/10.
Ehh, just overhyping sales nonsense mixed in with the occasional genuine opinion. Nothing important. This is a very dramatic time we're living in, so everything's either gonna be awful or revolutionary with nothing in between for a lot of people.
>>342079246
Only the first Jak
ND even said that they were driven to make a more mature story after San Andreas came out. That's why we got Jak 2 and 3
>>342087057
My dude, I feel you. However, consider the competition that hypothetical original content wouldbe up against. The Battlefields, Call of Dutys, GTA's, and Uncharteds of the industry pull in massive dinero because they're made with the masses in mind, both hardcore and casual gamers. Developers are willing to sacrifice originality and perpetuate homogeneity for the sake of appealing to as many demographics as possible.
An new IP would be fighting an uphill battle to compete with those titles, much less turn a profit.
>>342085090
I feel bad for people that are unable to enjoy Uncharted. It's a lot of fun, but that is a subjective factor. I hope that you have games that you like anon.
>>342087419
Pretty much, anon. We're basically just stuck in this shithole. At the very least it's not entirely awful all the time.
>>342085641
The best in the series. I think that Uncharted 4 is the best game in the entire series all around. I've been a big fan of the games from the start though, so I absolutely have some bias. Although I hated the story of Uncharted 3, because Nathan suddenly turned into a deadly serious asshole, but without 3 we wouldn't have 4. So I'm okay with it now. Still 3 has the worst story out of them all.
>>342087687
Source? The only thing I've read that they said regarding GTA is that GTA3 made them go open-world for Jak 2 and 3.
>>342088072
I'm with you, but Uncharted 1's story was a bit more standard in my opinion.
And despite 3's awful final boss, I liked thehallucinogenic water twist. There was enough room in the series to have something that wasn't (supposed to be) supernatural as a plot device.I also liked its focus on Sully over Uncharted 2, where they essentially threw him on the backburner. I even enjoyed the desert scene, even if it was basically a walking simulator section.
TLOU is literally the only good thing ND has made outside of the old Crash games
>>342079512
I'd agree so far as I think it's really fucking stupid to compare something like Uncharted to Crash Bandicoot.
They're doing completely different things and whining that Uncharted doesn't just give you 80 hours of tedious platforming or action is silly. Uncharted didn't fail to do what it was trying to and you should stop approaching every game like it's a "game" and not a primarily a way of telling a story.
Nothing with wrong
They have consistently been getting better
Crash 1 - 3 were great at the time
Jake 1 - 3 were great during their time and a step up from crash
Uncharted 1 - 4 consistently improved on their predecessors and are all considered great games
The Last of Us is critically acclaimed all over and a sequel is being worked on
They are one of the best developers around.
>>342088072
What the fuck am i reading?
The best in the series? What the utter fuck am i reading? The puzzles in Uncharted 4 are for braindead retards. No inspiration at all too.
>>342086258
Reviews shouldn't matter. Take them with a grain of saltmore like an entire bag. There is no replacement for trying it yourself. I try to find opinions of friends on games. Games journalism is disgusting. If your game isn't at least a 9.25 then it is automatically shit. Somehow an 8 and under has become unplayable trash. On what fucking planet does that make any sense? A game with a score of 8.5 should be really great. Youtube is a good place to go to find footage of a game in action, and can totally replace something like Metacritic.
>>342078520
Obedience training?
>>342088585
Also a reminder that the Crash remasters are more likely gonna be remakes. I don't see the mechanics of pic related translating to the PS4. It'll be something more akin to REmake.
>>342086258
Opinions
>>342088585
>*went and *Jak
Fucking phone. Noticed after I pressed submit
Looking forward to what is done with Crash assuming Sony has them do the remakes.
>>342088634
>There is no replacement for trying it yourself.
This. I fucking loved Chulip, deliberate pace and all, and it got 5/10s across the board. Scores mean fuck all.
>>342088793
There are literally no opinions, idiot. Everything is literally 90+.
You say "opinions", but we saw what happened what that dude gave uncharted 4, a 4/10. People started a witch hunt, lel.
>>342087375
I just described exactly how I enjoy it, it ties in very well with other elements of the game.
Just because it's easy doesn't make it any less interesting.
>>342088954
People? Fans? Who cares?
The majority say the game is great and you think one person or some mad neck beard on here who hates popular games can change that?
>>342088916
No you moron that game deserved it's low scores and if you played it you know why. Don't be a fucking idiot.
>>342085291
i always thought link was ambiguous for this reason
>>342089207
Oh eat shit. Journalistic 5s don't actually mean average. There is literally no reason to go by anything but your own judgement if you aren't getting paid to recommend games to other people.
>>342089387
He has been a man for 30 years
>>342088631
the puzzles were fucking annoying in U2 and U3
that one with Chloe in the city temple in U2 was insanely long and was boring as all hell. The one under the chateau in U3 was the worst of them all.
The worst one in 4 was probably the one under the clock tower, just because it took so long. It was the 'hardest' puzzle in the game, though
>>342089127
No.
>>342088956
Did i say i didnt enjoy it? I complated all games on crushing. The platforming itself is not "easy", its literally, LITERALLY no fail. I have never managed to die while platforming in Uncharted. Thats not "easy", it goes even below, like "we challenge you to fuck and die :D" below.
>>342088954
Well 4/10 is a ridiculous score and while he can rate a game whatever the fuck he wants, it shouldn't be included in a aggregate of professional reviews unless he's an extremely thoughtful and respected reviewer.
Otherwise you are putting Uncharted alongside games that are broken and unplayable. It's unprofessional and his view shouldn't be included.
>>342089207
Somebody needs a kiss.
>>342089587
somebody needs a better developer to deliver a non broken shit game.
>>342089550
So its not "opinions" anymore? Weird, first you say "opinions", and now you say "opinions of x people only". Okay, whatever you say.
>Hurr durr realism
>Hurr durr cinematic experience
>hurr durr those old games were for kids
And the worst part is that even the sonyggers at NeoGAF eat this bullshit up by saying both gameplay and cool as fuck franchises like Crash Bandicoot or Jak & Daxter or Spyro or even Ratchet & Clank are a thing of the past and also for children, seriously, fuck their choices, now God of War is going to be a third person daddy simulator too like TLoU.
You can go ahead and call me an manchildren if you want, by the end of the day its a fucking fact Naughty Dog doesn't do games for the sake of delivering a game you can replay a lot of times, they just want to deliver their cinematic experience bullshit
>>342089631
You don't even know what broken means. It was a very straightforward adventure game that had no real technical problems. It certainly couldn't be rendered unplayable from my experience.
Sounds like you're just mad because you couldn't finish it.
>inb4 he says he did
>>342089681
Nigger I replied to you already that isn't me.
Stop being retarded. Just like that WA Post review was retarded. He can have his opinion but that doesn't change age the majority.
>>342089682
Oh and i forgot, they "grew up" and decided to remove the fat Drake skin. Proof that these chums don't want to make games, they just want to make movies.
Press Triangle to win, 4 the players.
>>342089631
Pucker up.
>>342089681
I said your opinion should only be included in an aggregate of professional reviewers if you are submitting sensible and reasoned scores.
If you were a well respected critic that doesn't just give out high scores willy-nilly then perhaps you can justify a 4/10 for what is a very highly polished and well made game.
If you're not a respected critic then you're just being a troll. You need to be well established before you can pull off shit like that.
>>342089682
>You can go ahead and call me an manchildren if you want, by the end of the day its a fucking fact Naughty Dog doesn't do games for the sake of delivering a game you can replay a lot of times, they just want to deliver their cinematic experience bullshit
This isn't an inherently bad thing, and is just a matter of opinion. Just because you don't like the style of games doesn't mean they're a bad studio.
>>342090001
This. What it means, >>342089682, is that you're not that studio's target audience. I hate online games, MMOS, FPSs, MOBAs, you name it, but I'm not going to call Blizzard a shit studio for releasing games that I have no interest in.
>>342089785
>>342089990
Yet the 4/10 is still there, and another 5/10. I guess its not "opinions", but only "opinions that are sensible and reasonable", and only opinions allowed of x people. So first it was just opinions, now its opinions of only a certain group of people, and now when a person of that group gives it a bad score, its not "sensible and reasonable". What is the next bullshit you are going to add here? Hilarious, you are the one who came up "everyone has opinions, respect them", and look at how you are going against yourself, lol.
>>342089508
I don't even know if you're the anon I originally replied to, but my point was that there is plenty of gameplay in what many in this thread have referred to as "cinematic experience". I don't know why this thing about difficulty came up but I don't count it as a negative, especially when you can crank up the difficulty and get some challenge during the fights in crushing mode.
But you say you enjoyed it nonetheless so I guess you don't need my convincing.
>>342078520
nothing
>>342087057
This anon knows.
>Games from ps3 being remastered on ps4
Is there really a need? Games like Uncharted and TLoU from last gen that most people still have sat on the shelf right beside the old console? Fuck at least skip a generation before you make remasters.
>>342078520
It went all downhill after this masterpiece.
>>342090363
Here's what I think he's trying to say, anon.
Professional reviewers can't simply go with their opinion of a video game alone. That's not what they're in that business for. Their jobs are to judge a game by various merits or discrepancies, like whether the game is a buggy mess, whether the AI or graphics are up to par, whether the team accomplished what they set out to do and how effectively they accomplished it, and partially whether they personally liked it.
Personal opinion isn't enough for a pro reviewer to make a sound judgement.
The reviewer who gave Uncharted 4 a 4/10, knowing full well that this was basically equivalent to a 1/10 in game journalism, was smugly stating how much he personally hated the game, while willingly ignoring technical merits that the game was confirmed to have (passable AI, good visuals and acting, few (if any) gamebreaking bugs). Whether he personally liked the game would've knocked off at most 3 points out of 10 if he were being professional. He wasn't.
>>342089508
>The platforming itself is not "easy", its literally, LITERALLY no fail.
Do you even know what the word "literally" means? This webm right here disproves your statement beyond any reasonable doubt
>I have never managed to die while platforming in Uncharted.
I don't believe you, and there is 'literally' nothing you can say to make me believe you.
The climbing is easy (it's easy because it's bart of your basic movement set), but mistakes do happen. Especially when people act reckless due to there being barely any consequences for falling
Enjoy your erection.
>>342079140
They are hacks. Their games are pretty competent, but all of them are soulless.
>>342091098
>Do you even know what the word "literally" means? This webm right here disproves your statement beyond any reasonable doubt
Wow, look at that, you are right, i take back what i said, now that you mention it, i died a total of 1 (one time) while platforming in the whole Uncharted series. When sliding down in one of the segments in uncharted 4 i hit a rock, that was it. Shit, that one death cranks the hardness up from "literally no deaths" to "easy. If you die 2 times its "medium", if you die 5 times its "extremely hard". Okay.
>I don't believe you, and there is 'literally' nothing you can say to make me believe you.
I already took it back my good friend, you already proved me wrong, i died a total of 1 time.
>The climbing is easy
its auto pilot, there shouldnt even be a difficulty placed upon it, there is no difficulty
>but mistakes do happen.
extremely rare
>Especially when people act reckless due to there being barely any consequences for falling
you have to try really hard to fail
>>342091098
>FULL SPEED SLIDE
>WOHOOO
>suddenly deadstop
>slow jumping
Worst animation transition in a videogame.
>>342091495
>i died a total of 1 time.
I'm also calling bullshit here, anon.
>>342091165
nice clipping lmao
>>342091803
One step at a time, mate.
You find me a better firearm strap in video games and I'll give you a cookie.
>>342091751
You played the Uncharted series friend? Im obviously overreacting. Im sure i died a couple times here and there, but its extremely easy to the point where one can argue there should be no difficulty setting on it.
>>342091098
damn that webm is unrealistic as fuck
>>342091993
Sure the platforming isn't insanely hard. The franchise itself isn't really going for difficulty.
Just figured I'd call you on your bullshit for the lulz.
>>342092056
>Sure the platforming isn't insanely hard.
Again, you make it sound like there is a challenge, like you did earlier. You are misleading by saying its "not insanely hard", you should rather say "sure, the platforming might be extremely easy to the point you might fall asleep", that gives a much more realistic view.
>>342078520
Too many ego centered people in a team, a cuck writing their stories and "innovative" mp team, all story driven.
>>342084641
this is pretty bad gameplay in the webm m8. if you want to do tps just use dead space as a benchmark. it has the best tps elements for a while now.
dead space 1 especially is how a game narrative, atmosphere and gameplay should be down. your shitty """""""movie"""""""" games like tlou and uncharted cant even tell a good story at all.
too bad they fixed a lot with gameplay in dead space 2 but fucked up the story and atmosphere for good.
What would be great is if they made a single player campaign like The Last of Us multiplayer. With tactics and hiding and the desperate twitch gameplay where you're down in a couple hits.
TLoU multiplayer is a lot of fucking fun, it proves to me that Naughty Dog does have some game play bones left in them. I just wish their single player would stop railroading the player.
>>342092194
>like you did earlier
Correction. Like he did earlier.
Back to topic, as I've never dozed off while playing any Uncharted, I myself would be lying if I said that the platforming was "extremely easy to the point you might fall asleep". I'll stick with "not insanely hard" if only to further annoy you.
>>342085641
>How were the puzzles in 4?
The what?
>>342092340
That might be so, but what i say gives a much, MUCH view at how the platforming in the game is, while yours simply tries to make it look like there is challenge but nothing too hard, so arguing that we are both wrong is fine, but im muuuuuuuuuch closer to how it in reality is.
>>342091993
>but its extremely easy to the point where one can argue there should be no difficulty setting on it.
there *is* no difficulty setting for the platforming, are you high? The maps are always the same on all difficulties. That's the whole reason why it's so easy in the first place - so that even people who are terrible at videogames can get through it as they play through their explorer runs.
And you "magnetically" climb on handholds because the climbing is supposed to be a reliable part of your player movement set. It would be pretty dumb and frustrating to be playing MP and have your player randomly slip off a ledge and die - just because that's more realistic.
The climbing parts are mostly just for the spectacle of it, like showing the surrounding landscape in this webm. Plus it's more interesting than walking
>>342092896
>The climbing parts are mostly just for the spectacle of it
I dont disagree. Platforming is just for show in uncharted, and you have to try hard to die. So we pretty much agreed from the start that its just pretty much autopilot, good.
>>342092248
>if you want to do tps just use dead space as a benchmark
I like dead space and all but it plays absolutely nothing like Uncharted. Apples to oranges. Not all third person games should be RE4 clones
>>342092320
>>342087110
multiplayer is actually the best part of Naughty Dog games
>>342093568
Too bad 4 sucks hard and they just copy pasted the last of us. And the last of us went shit tier when they added pay to win shit.
>>342093334
magnetizing towards the cover is the worst thing that happened to tps genre. RE4 is clunky as hell too. Dead Space is pretty refined in pretty much all aspects. Just use the cover system of DS3 if you really want to do cover thats infinitely better than magetizing to cover and enemies whole game. it just adds a "wow" moment, it doesnt create a good gameplay element or any depth overall, just lazy designer's work.
>>342078520
They stopped liking fun.
I won't get into discussion which crash was best, I enjoyed them all.
CTR was great.
Jak 1 was everything they learned about platforming put into next gen.
Jak 2 and 3 were more about freely moving around city and something that can be called 'action'- shooting, driving/flying, skating. I liked them all, though Dark Jak looked like it was move to promote how they want 'teenager' audience. Apparently crash started being too childish for them?
Then we got Uncharted and later TLoU. The 'adult' games.
Mind you, I only played remastered Uncharteds1-3, U4 and didn't play TLoU.
I wouldn't go as far as call them interactive movies, but climbing and 'platform' segments were piss easy. Puzzles were usually easy.
I enjoyed them, but they have their flaws, especially 4. It's good game, meh Uncharted and shit conclusion to the series.
All in all I'd say they still make at least decent/good titles, but whole industry and playerbase changed and they shifted accordingly to those.
>>342078520
They put 'cinematic experience' over quality gameplay, and that leave us with shallow, yet beautiful, crap like U4.
>>342093682
it plays nothing like TLOU; it is at least 2x faster paced. There is no cover system or cover transitioning in TLOU, nor is there rolling (or climbing, or swinging, or sliding, or shooting while doing any of those things). Health works totally differently. Uncharted does not have crafting. I could go on.
I guess they are similar in that they both have "down" systems and pretty animations
>>342078520
nu males
>>342093721
People take cover in real life when they are in a shootout; they dont just stand there and shoot eachother repeatedly from out in the open, like in this webm.
Sticky cover got popular because people like it. It compliments the third person perspective perfectly, and people like to be able to do things like blindfire with it. Games like dead space and RE4/5 are good for fighting melee enemies, but not enemies with firearms
It looks better in a TPS to have the player able to actually avoid getting shot by taking cover, and it looks badass to see the player advancing towards an enemy by dashing from cover to cover.
>>342094093
metal slug is shallow and beautiful too
that didn't stop me from having fun with it
>>342087771
So the ps4 needs it's own Splatoon, basically. Something that's willing to change up the status quo drastically and still be successful enough to show developers that they don't need to churn out the same shit all the time. But the real question is, who's crazy enough to break the mold?
>>342095465
>9mm vs 9mm.gif
>>342095820
That's because Metal Slug has very quality gameplay.
Absolutely nothing, they simply decided to go for a new artistic direction (which appears to be the linear "cinematic" games trend) instead of rehashing the same 3D arcade platform game all over again. In the end the new formula ended up being much more successful than the previous one, the normie demographic is happy and satisfied with it so they got no reason to change any time soon. They couldn't give a single fuck about some neckbeard's opinion on a dark chinese archery themed imageboard, deal with it nerds.
>>342088072
Uncharted 4 is a fucking abomination. There's about 2 minutes of 'game' in this piece of shit. I bought it day before yesterday and it's given me the most buyer's regret I've ever experienced.
The only truly good Uncharted was number 2. That's literally it. 4 is the worst in the entire series.
They decided to make movies, not games.
>>342092320
Naughty Dog will never make a good SP game again. Not as long as they keep thinking pushing a fucking wheeled crate to climb a wall is a compelling game mechanic.
>>342092340
The lack of any real challenge makes the platforming insanely boring. Infamous had better platforming.
>>342095902
They already did that when they released TLOU.
And even with all of Uncharted 2's critical acclaim, the only games that come close to being "Uncharted clones" after all these years are Tomb Raider 2013 and Rise of the Tomb Raider. So it kind of broke the mold too, back in 2009.
>>342096142
Yeah, I know. So does Uncharted.
>>342078916
vee knows it's popular so we have to hate it
>>342096512
Every time I see someone complain about this, they make sure to mention the wheels on the crate. Why do the wheels trigger people so much? Is it breaking your immersion? Remind you that you're playing a videogame?
Me, personally, I can't stand red barrels. Why do they always have to explode? It's so video-gamey
>>342078520
They became the David Cronenberg of games
>>342078520
Neil Druckman is a faggot.
Apart from that, the games are still pretty good. As long as TLOU2 won't become full-blown cinematic experience about a transgender muslim feminist standing up to bigotry in a post-plague world, and will have the same, maybe slightly upgraded and balanced mutliplayer mode, I'm going to get a PS4 down the line.
>>342078520
Uncharted series
>>342078520
They manage to make games that are pretty good, but never anything truly amazing or groundbreaking. So same as they've always been I guess.
>>342096532
Why is it boring? It looks awesome and it's a lot more interesting than just walking around or driving down a road - the typical means of traversing the environment in every other game. And at least falling is actually lethal 100% of the time, unlike in games such as Assassins Creed.
>>342092896
Most of the PS1 era people haven't worked for ND for a long time now.
>>342097772
The Last of Us wasn't groundbreaking?
>>342098149
I like the game much more than /v/ does on average and I spent a good deal of time shooting fucking tourists in factions, but I wouldn't call TLOU groundbreaking.
>>342098005
Because it's retardedly easy and uninteresting? If I'm gonna be spending a huge chunk of time platforming I want it to be memorable outside of "it's pretty to look at". Like I said, Infamous, especially 2, had much better platforming since you have a lot more options for how you can traverse the environment.
>>342098149
In my opinion? Not really.
>>342088582
>They're doing completely different things and whining that Uncharted doesn't just give you 80 hours of tedious platforming or action is silly.
Neither did Crash. This is a 5th gen platformer we're talking about, not a JRPG.
>>342090971
It's hard to top perfection.
>>342096662
>They already did that when they released TLOU.
How exactly does a PS3 remaster compare in any way to being the PS4's equivalent to Splatoon?
>>342097772
While perhaps not groudnbreaking, the amount of work that they put into making the Crash games run was phenomenal, they made the PS1 sing. They've also got the patent for games without loading screens because of Jak, or maybe that's since expired.
>Uncharted 4 became flavor of the month
>Dropped quick as fuck for Overwatch
>Multiplayer is empty as fuck
>Sales cratered and it's barely selling as much as Gaylo 5 and well behind Splatoon and Mario Kart 8
>Vicarious Visions are making the Crash remasters
When's Shu taking the axe to them like he did to Evolution, Zipper and Studio Liverpool?
>>342098359
Would you even complain if they just didn't decide to categorize this game as a "platformer"? Nobody complains about how it's too easy to get around in Alan Wake, even though Alan's movement is far more mundane than the climbing in Uncharted
>>342098359
if you honestly think that the climbing, sliding, swimming and swinging is boring / uninteresting on your very first playthrough, then I feel sorry for you. You might allow yourself to enjoy it one day if you ever stop pretending like it was even supposed to be challenging in the first place.
The climbing is a spectacle. In the vast majority of shooters / action games, you won't feel challenged until you reach a designated fighting part, and Uncharted is no different.
The climbing isn't even on-rails (with just one path) like in the older games; there are usually various ways that you can move through each area
>>342097327
at least red barrels are fucking fun
>>342088072
I agree with you, but I still enjoyed the gameplay in 3 even if the story was all over the place
>>342078520
everything and nothing
They moved with the times
>>342079445
>played the campaign and online for over 100 hours
>never noticed the little details like using the strap to put the gun on his back
>>342078520
>muh gritty realism
>muh mature games for mature gamers
>>342105301
TLOU is not their only IP you know
>>342105358
>muh third person shooters
>>342101160
i thought this video was intended as a joke and you were being ironic. but you actually think this video is good. im sorry
>>342093682
>and they just copy pasted the last of us
jesus christ this has to be a bait as nobody can be this retarded
>>342105405
Not him but it does look kinda fun
>>342105405
you dont have to fall that way; you could slide down the ramp and swing across the cistern like 2 times to gradually get down there
>>342105672
i have uncharted 4 and >>342093682 has reason the only one new thing was the rope, the MP is the same from tlou.
>>342106428
LOL how?
Because there are downs?
#4THEPLAYERS
#ZEROPERCENTDOWNGRADED
i haven't played many modern TPS with the amount of cover destruction Uncharted 4 has.
and fuck you, swinging from a rope while dodging gunfire and then slugigng someone in the face to steal their rifle is fun.
>>342106428
you dont even deserve a bait image
#BASEDSONY
>>342106552
The MP beta looked significantly worse than the final game
>>342106653
1. The 2015 image is a frame from a youtube video with motion blur enabled; the 2014 image is a still screenshot.
2. They changed the art style so it looks brighter and more cartoony because the old pic looks too much like TLOU
>>342106743
the bottom image is covered in JPEG/video compression artifacts
