I've never tried any weebshit, but I finally decided to try and play JRPGs.
Is there anything out there that's not overly shocking for a newfag to the genre? I mean anything with a good combat system whose characters are not just lolis and futas.
>>342078414
I don't believe you if you claim you've never played Pokemon, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound or any Final Fantasy.
try nepnep
>>342078414
>mean anything with a good combat system whose characters are not just lolis and futas.
Try 80s/90s JRPGs and Mario RPGs. Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario (you can stop after TTYD or Super Paper Mario), Mario and Luigi. I can recommend several others if you want.
>>342078414
>Is there anything out there that's not overly shocking for a newfag to the genre?
Not a JRPG but play A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening.
There's also Soul Blazer and Terranigma.
>>342078414
persona maybe? stay away from nepnep, nepnep is trash
>>342078414
Before I forget, there's the PSP version of Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together if you want a Japanese interpretation in a medieval take on the Bosnian civil war of the 90s.
There's also Front Mission.
If you want weird shit in the 90s, try Parasite Eve.
>>342078414
Try some SMT, it's soft-core in the J department, but it's plenty RPG. Nocturne is a good starting spot so emulate it or whatever
>>342079413
SMT may be a bit too hardcore for newbies to the genre.
>>342079551
not really so, because it doesn't really hold many Japanese video game tropes. Nocturne, that is. It's a solid series with plenty good games that don't alienate newcomers to the genre.
>>342078491
>pokemon is an RPG
epic simply epic
>>342079413
I'd recommend Digital Devil Saga before Nocturne
He won't have to worry about learning how to fuse shit properly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJbE_kfybs
>>342079819
I considered that, but he'll eventually need to learn basic fusion if he was going to play the rest of the franchise.
>>342079679
I was talking more about the level of difficulty. It's not that bad for enthusiasts, but toss a JRPG casual into it and they'll have a lot more issues. Seems like a good franchise though, so it's not like I'm discouraging it. I still need to play through it myself, I've only played SMT I so far.
Play Chrono Trigger. No lolis and only one futa (who you kill).
>>342078414
>not just lolis and futas
I've never played a non-hentai RPG that was composed of futanaris. Now I'm wondering what I've been missing.
>>342079768
I don't know what you're trying to say, of course Pokemon is an RPG.
Dragons dogma is decent enough
>>342078414
Persona 4 is good entry level weeb shit.
>>342079907
People with experience in RPGs in general wouldn't have a problem, the "casual filter" matador is only so because the people who jump into these games aren't too bright when considering fusion options.
>>342078414
> I mean anything with a good combat system whose characters are not just lolis and futas.
Japanese degeneration into a country with an insatiable list for loli/futa shit is a relatively recent phenomenon. JRPGs weren't like that up through the early 2000s.
What kind of gameplay do you like? ANY of the well-liked RPGs on the NES, SNES, Genesis, or PSX are rock solid, and you can't go wrong with any of them. There are tons to choose from, and they all have different battle systems.
If you don't want to go the emulation route, you can play some fine ones on Steam. Try out Final Fantasy III, IV, VII, VIII, or IX (V and VII on steam are butchered shit... If you're going to play them, emulate the SNES versions) if you like the look of those games. Tales of Symphonia is fantastic, and that has a bit more action in its battle system. For total action, try Ys III or Ys Origin on Steam.
>>342079768
Pokemon is literally baby's first JRPG
>>342078491
I hate Pokèmon. I always did, ever since I was a kid. They just infuriate me and look retarded as fuck.
Also, I'm 20 and I stated that I "never tried any weebshit", so no, I wasn't around when Earthbound and Chrono Trigger were popular, and no, didn't play Final Fantasy.
>>342078414
I'm gonna be that guy, try Final Fantasy V, don't worry about min-maxing, just use whichever classes you want
What do you normally play?
>>342080109
>Japanese degeneration into a country with an insatiable list for loli/futa shit is a relatively recent phenomenon. JRPGs weren't like that up through the early 2000s.
This is false.
>>342080109
V and VI were butchered. VII is OK.
>>342080082
Which is why I think DDS would probably be a better starting point
Nocturne doesn't explain how the fusion mechanics or gaining skills from Magatamas work that well outside of reading through the tutorials at the Cathedral
And nobody reads that shit
>>342080130
>didn't play final fantasy
well you should get on that.
emulate Dawn of Souls on the GBA for the classic experience
>>342079970
>>342078414
I don't play a lot of JRPGs but I played and enjoyed Bravely Default, Dragon Quest VIII and Tales of Symphonia (I have no idea how the other Tales games are but there might be a better one). Check them out
Earthbound
>>342080264
I did
Guys, I think going from never playing a JRPG, before, to jumping into the Megaten series is nuts.
OP can always play Final Fantasy Mystic Quest. That game was made for RPG newbies. It's pretty short, so if you don't like it, it won't waste much of your time, and the music is godlike.
>>342080310
>can't into argument
>throw computer off desk
It's ok to do that to a checkerboard when you lose, anon, but nothing more expensive than that.
>>342080130
>I wasn't around when Earthbound and Chrono Trigger were popular
What have you been living in the wild without any contact with society since the games released?
>>342078414
Xenoblade. Emultate the Wii game or play the new one for WiiU if you got that console.
>>342080145
>>342080109
I mostly play on PC and I can borrow a PS2 from a friend, but my bread and butter is Dark Souls (which is not, I've been told, a JRPG despite it being a Japanese RPG. I don't get it). I like Platinum and games like Devil May Cry as well if that can help you, but the rest of my preferences are in the shooter genre.
Oh yeah, I played Undertale and I almost gauged my eyes out.
>>342078414
>I mean anything with a good combat system whose characters are [...] just lolis and futas.
Not OP, but can anyone give me some of these?
>>342078414
Golden Sun
>>342080525
Dark Souls is a JRPG
>>342080525
>i have extremely shit taste
go back to your fifa
>>342080419
I never played Mystic Quest myself, I've never even heard of it and I'm a Final Fantasy fan.
>>342080419
Megaten isn't even hard if you aren't retarded (outside of Strange Journey)
It just has the stigma because of le Spaniard Skelly meme and people posting underleveled hard mode Mot fights
>>342080456
Only because you might have heard of something, doesn't mean you played it. As I have stated, my curiosity with weebshit began 2 hours ago, up until now I just went "well, whatever, who cares about it" like you probably do when you see the news and they talk about some boring tennis match.
>>342080525
>I like Platinum and games like Devil May Cry
Bingo bango bongo
>>342080082
>recommend Nocturne to a normie friend who liked Pokemon
>he recruits a Preta immediately
>uses it constantly
>it learns Fog Breath
>MFW he steamrolls Matador by feeding a Preta chakra drops and spamming Fog Breath
Then he managed to make Daisoujou a bit later. The only boss he had trouble with in the game was Dante
>>342080580
>Devil May Cry
>Dark Souls
>unspecified shooters
what does fifa has to do with anything. Don't just assume, try to shit talk me on what I actually told you I like, fegit.
>>342080525
You should totally keep an eye on nier automata.
it's a jrpg made by platinum :^)
>>342080639
Mot has never been a problem for me, even with my first playthrough
>>342080770
didn't even consider that
>>342078414
I suggest you avoid the following: Souls, SaGa, Tactics Ogre, Front Mission, Metal Max, Nier, Ys, Growlanser. I don't think you would like them.
>>342080897
He didn't even realize it had Fog Breath. He used it for the same reason people use Wario in Mario games, it looked and acted like a fat jew. He was about to fuse with it when I asked what skills it had, he said "it's about to learn something called fog breath" and I told him to keep it.
>>342080639
Is Strange Journey that much harder than the rest of the series?
>>342081019
Oh and SMT as well.
It's a bit less known, but it's great.
Shadow Hearts
>>342081049
No, it's just got a few noticeable difficulty spikes. Aka Ouroboros and Mem Aleph.
>>342079951
He's probably talking about Nier
>>342080525
Then maybe you'd like the Ys series. They're short, so if you don't like them, no worries. Ys III: Oath of Felghana or Ys Origins are good ones to start, both available on steam. Look up some gameplay videos on YouTube and see if you like them.
For something a little slower paced, I'd strongly recommend Tales of Symphonia. Check that out on YouTube, as well.
I'd recommend against any turn based RPGs based on what it sounds that you like. I personally enjoy myself some good Dragon Quest, but it's not for everyone.
Perhaps if you did some emulation, you'd like Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, or Seiten Densestu 3.
>>342081019
>>342081093
and what is the basis of such shit opinions?
>>342081049
The final boss of the Law and Neutral routes is quite possibly the hardest fight I've ever seen in a JRPG outside of some superbosses like Demifiend in DDS
I grinded for about 15 levels and it still fucking destroyed me
>>342078414
Final Fantasy - Generally a newb friendly series. Some here will probably laugh at this suggestion, but you get elitists everywhere. I think the older games in the series are the better ones to start with. FF VII's a good starting point, but really I don't think you can go wrong with IV-VII or IX. VIII's alright too, but I wouldn't recommend it first. I and III are good too I think.
Tales of - Action RPGs. Pretty animeish, but the battle systems are generally good. Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia are all good starting points. Even Phantasia (which I started with, and which remains one of my favorites), though I'd recommend the PSX version of that).
Dragon Quest - Not too hard. Bit grindy, especially the older ones, but they're pretty simple yet fun games, and are pretty classic tales of adventurers roaming a medieval European fantasy world, killing monsters and looting castles and caves.
Pokemon - Pretty simple. Another good candidate for babby's first RPG.
Chrono Trigger - An excellent game for beginners.
I'd suggest Shin Megami Tensei once you've gotten into JRPGs a bit. Or right away if you're not afraid of dying.
I know I'm probably forgetting some obvious games/series, but that's off the top of my head.
>>342081019
Fuck you, I need to replay Tactic Ogre
>>342080525
Try Anima-Gate Of Memories.
It's a fairly new game, but it's good for newbies of the genre and it's also on PC and can be run by a potato.
>>342081291
never played SJ, what's Mem Aleph's deal?
Play Drakengard OP
>>342081512
All of her skills are just horrendously powerful, you'll probably get instantly wiped on the first turn if you don't specifically prepare for her.
>>342081776
doesn't Debilitate exist?
>>342081809
Reason's Start, resets all stat changes.
>>342081512
Mem Aleph exists to fuck your shit up.
You bring a team full of reflect-all or you're in for a hell of a time. Even then, you still run a very, very good chance of getting rekt.
fuck these smt babies
try out dragon quest
>>342081319
Solid advice, right here.
But if OP's bread and butter are shooters and Dark Souls, and he hated Undertale, I think he should lean towards the Action RPG side for starting out.
The Tales games you mentioned are spot on, and Symphonia is on Steam.
Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, and Secret of Evermore are emulateable.
Ys Origins, Ys III, and Ys VI are on Steam.
OP said he could borrow a PS2. Kingdom Hearts 1 might be a great option, too.
>>342081853
fucking shit
>>342081553
You cheeky cunt, i like you.
>>342081190
What, do you disagree? I'm just trying to help out OP. Take a look at the OP and reconsider whether or not he will like the games you recommended.
>>342081512
She has two forms both with huge amounts of health
She has spells of every element that are stronger than the -dyne version of them, hits the entire party, and can easily kill or almost kill anything that doesn't resist the element (including you which means an immediate game over), as well as a crazy strong multi-hit physical attack, an almighty skill that lowers your party's agility, a skill that rages your entire party, and a skill that just puts shitloads of statuses on your party
She has a skill that simultaneously resets all buffs and debuffs and heals her for a shitload
In her second form each turn she will randomly reflect two damage types
She also gains two more skills, Mem Aleph and M A
Mem Aleph will send all demons of a certain alignment out of your party while M A while instantly kill something no matter what and heal her for that party member's max HP
She can use M A on you which results in an immediate game over
>>342082119
Nocturne has no lolis or futas and a great combat system.
Chrono Trigger is babby's first, give that a try.
>>342081960
Oh right, Kingdom Hearts is a good action series. OP, don't be put of by Disney stuff, the action is pretty solid, especially with II and onward.
>>342082148
now that's some fucking bullshit, can't you Makarakarn Mem Aleph's spells? Or use Tetraja to get rid of the risk of dying instantly?
I have a better question, what Jrpgs have futas
>>342082364
Nier
>>342082313
If you use Makarakarn she'll just almighty or physical spam you
Tetraja does not stop M A, the only way for something to avoid death from it is Endure or an accessory that revives you from death
>>342082364
Nier
>>342082364
Digital Devil Saga
Nier
>>342082525
well I guess the muhrine would have to become double jesus, then
>>342079970
he's right though, there is no roleplaying in pokemon. people even tell your character what he's feeling/thinking and even what his personality is like. you can't change your role, your always a pokemon trainer. the only kind of rpg elements i can think of is you get to decide what pokemon you trainer wants to catch/is more inclined towards.
>but it has stats!
the pokemon have stats/personalities in later gens, you are not the pokemon
>>342080770
>Having a preta at matador
>having a preta with fog breath
Holy shit its like when someone is entering a race with their shoes untied and they accidentally trip with such force they win the race.
>>342082898
Why does someone always have to make this fucking retarded argument about what is and isn't an RPG. How many times is this argument going to play out?
>>342083229
until someone makes a valid argumemt against it
>>342082898
>First released in 1996 in Japan for the Game Boy, the main series of role-playing video games (RPGs)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_%28video_game_series%29
>>342078414
Chrono Trigger and Paper Mario are relatively newbie friendly. Go with a SMT game if you want a more challenging time afterwards.
>I mean anything with a good combat system whose characters are not just lolis and futas.
You're missing out mate.
Do what this guy told you not to do
>>342081093
>>342081019
>>342081319
not OP but does tales of phantasia has anime cut scenes and if it has which version has them after nes i havent owned any console only pc thats why i havent tried any weeb shit and i am looking into emulating old games and phantasia has caught my eye
>>342083710
It's been awhile since I've played it, but I think the only anime scenes Phantasia has is the opening of the PSX and PSP versions. I've yet to play Tales of Phantasia X, so I'm not sure about that one. By the way, the PSX version will require a fan patch if you can't read Japanese. You can find pre-patched ROMs pretty easily.
>>342083449
There have been countless arguments made for and against it. It usually goes like this:
>if you don't have lots of dialogue choices, customisation and multiple routes to choose from depending on your personal preferences, it's not an RPG
>no, if the gameplay is based on systems derived from the original D&D dice roll style of combat, then it can be called an RPG
>that's not true because you aren't playing a role
>you aren't playing a role but the gameplay comes from the original tabletop RPG, D&D, so it can still be called an RPG
>even if the gameplay is similar, it doesn't matter because the RP in RPG means role play, so if the game doesn't support role play then it's impossible to call it an RPG; call it something else
>why call it something else when it's not only become an accepted norm useful to categorise this kind of game, but also has gameplay more faithful to traditional RPGs whereas other games that call themselves RPGs play more similarly to FPS games.
>the role playing aspect is more important because, yknow, it's a role-playing game
>the gameplay is more important because it's a type of GAME that's being defined
It usually goes back and forth like that. One side considers the role-playing to be more important in defining the games, and the other side considers the gameplay to be more important in defining the games. And the subtext usually is "I think WRPGs/JRPGs are superior and so I need to shit on the other one".
>>342083928
ok thanks man
and OP u should try shining soul series it has tactical combat so you will not get board with shit turn based combat and its also an amazing rpg
>>342078414
Why are you browsing a site where everything is primarily dedicated to Japanese culture and anime? But, thanks for making an effort in trying out JRPG's
>>342082898
>pokemon have stats... in later gens
>>342078414
Super mario rpg, Paper mario ttyd or 64, Earthbound, Mother 3, Chrono Trigger. All good starting points. I wouldn't call Undertale an rpg but I someone probably would I guess.
>>342081019
Better recommend him Drakengard then
:^)
>>342086514
Why?
>>342081960
The thing is, what made him hate Undertale? If it was the combat system, then I'd wager that he should avoid turn-based games. But if it was the story, then he should be fine. Get him on SMT, or Lufia, or something.
>>342086598
That was a joke. It's not much of an RPG, although you do have to level up weapons and shit. And I think it'd probably put most people off of JRPGs as well, considering it's gameplay and story.
>>342084124
The problem with the whole
>you're not playing a role therefore it's not an RPG
thing is that, by that logic, any Final Fantasy that isn't 1, 3 on the NES (remakes had the orphans become actualy characters), 11, and 14 all aren't RPGs. Because you're playing a character who is pre-defined in that world.
>>342078414
Dragon quest 8 is as entry level as it gets.Very linear story, level advancement,difficulty curve,etc.
>>342082898
>no roleplaying
There go a shitload of RPGs.
>can't change role
There go a shitload of RPGs.
>your character has no stats
>you don't play as the things that have stats
There goes every SRPG ever.
Any time you come up with a definition that excludes most things that people use the definition to refer to, or works that people consider hallmarks of the genre, you need to reconsider your definition.
>>342078414
Grandia 2
>>342078414
Tales of Xillia I and II.
Combat's nice and the story is really good.
>>342078414
>whose characters are not just lolis and futas.
Weeb games are not for you.
>>342078414
Legend of Dragoon.
>>342088056
This, but Grandia 1 is even better.
