http://shoryuken.com/2016/06/17/gamespot-interviews-capcom-at-e3-regarding-the-future-of-street-fighter-v/
That was fucking painful to read.
Does Capcom actually expect people to buy this game just because of story mode?
after playing both i think Pokken is SF5 was trying to go for
- super low execution
- limited moves, all with some use
- it's just a guessing game (shimmy/grab, jab/counter/throw)
the only thing is anti airs do good damage in Pokken, if SF5 had the same thing it would be much better
>>342072938
whoever that artist is, needs to be fucking murdered in their sleep.
>>342072938
Capcom deserves everything bad it happens to them, I'm still mad because of the MvC3 fiasco.
>>342072938
>that """art"""
please tell me this isn't real
>>342074576
What's wrong with MvC3?
>>342074487
I think it's Bengus
>>342072938
and yet people will play it anyway because lmao street fighter
>>342074487
>>342074645
theres no way its official, it definitely isn't bengus
>>342074732
>announce the Ultimate version a few months after vanilla was released
They can choke with a bag of dicks.
Eventually they will put out a disk called Super Street Fighter V that is just the base game with all the DLC and balance patches, and the relaunch will have decent word of mouth compared to the original release.
>>342074936
So basically Final Fantasy XIV-2
>>342073363
>limited moves
but Pokken has lots of moves?..
It just tucks them away in other tab so that normies don't get too overwhelmed
>>342072938
>Capcom tells consumers that this is bare bones and content will be added post release
>Consumers buy anyways and complain about lack of content
I think the game is shit and 8 frames of lag is inexcusable. But what the fuck. Why are people so dumb. Do they not research what they buy
>>342073363
I hate anti airing someone all match only to fuck up/not react once and that lead disappears.
Wanting to throw fireballs in this game is suffering.
All Capcom did was try to expose why Early Access is SHIT and the world turned on them. Incomplete games are sold all the time, except Capcom plan's on finishing theirs.
>>342074815
they blamed it on that tsunami that happened at the time too i think
I don't get it? What's wrong with Street Fighter V?
>>342075569
>>342075353
What pisses me off is people who don't research what they buy and aren't fighting game players to boot
>Waaah muh vs CPU
Like Jesus fuck off, especially shit when reviewers do this
>>342074805
Its official. They've been doing them for tons of characters in the SF universe for SFV
>>342075747
No arcade
No story
No depth
8 frames
DLC characters
No vs CPU
No balance
Specializes both genders
Mika is stupid
>>342075787
there are hardly any reviewers that play fighting games and thats the only shit they can focus on,either way it still seems so odd for this game to not have your basic arcade mode
>>342075810
well shit
Also what was I supposed to get from the interview that shows SFV is officially dead?
Its just the guy saying they'll keep producing content and are working on issues and most stuff is coming.
Like its all stuff we already know and none of it is bad
>>342075787
I love online mode but shipping a fighting game with no Arcade or Free Battle mode is fucking stupid.
I play arcade to learn the basics of a character. Training mode is boring.
>>342076007
Capcom already explained why
Beside survival is a decent temporary arcade alternative
>>342075924
>specializes both genders
What?
>>342076157
Hell they even said the the new version of the PS3 won't change their original promise of no Super editions or anything like that.
sfv is sfxt all over again. 10 bux says its dead after evo
>>342074753
>Bengus
If that's true then, jesus christ, what the hell did he do with his art style? Or rather, why did he stop copying the other artists?
>>342076197
survival is shit especially since thats the only way you can unlock color
>>342073363
I just wish Pokken didn't have that shitty fucking input delay. People turned 8f into a catchall excuse for SFV's shit, but not one person has bitched about how Pokken has a year's worth of input delay.
>>342076197
>survival is a decent arcade alternative
>70 matches that are too fucking easy and then all the rest are cheaters
>One round matches
Arcade mode, this is not.
>>342072938
did they confirm we will get an arcade mode with endings yet, story mode won't cut it
>>342076303
fgc wont let a mainline sf game die,not like most of them play anything else anyway
>>342076379
>>342076431
You want vs ai. So survival and training vs CPU is what you got.
There is nothing wrong with survival. Like every vs ai scenario you can exploit their shit programming.
>>342076532
Vs CPU mode and an "Extra Battle" mode are confirmed, no word on what extra battle is.
Can't recall if they mentioned arcade mode. Its definitely not coming soon but they might be planning on it.
>>342076678
arcade mode wouldn't be hard to put in would it?
>>342076318
It ain't Bengus you sperg, just some Udon chump. It's got that Udon Brand Vaseline shading.
>>342076303
Nah, this is the main game, it's a good game, just you know missing all that other shit. Just like KI, it will be a full game down the road.
>>342076751
all they have to do is have like a one minute opening and ending with each character
>>342076751
Making arcade intros and endings would be when they still needed to get Story Mode out, continue working on the DLC characters, bug fixing, vs cpu and extra mode, daily challenges, trying (and failing) to get the zenny shop up, etc.
They have a lot that was previously planned before they add something as intensive as arcade.
>Beg for Balrog to be released
>Every day I pray for Balrog
>Email Capcom about how much I want Balrog to be in already so I can finally play this game for real
>THEY RELEASE FUCKING IBUKI
I'm done with them this game can burn in hell forever
>>342077006
>They release fucking Ibuki
Not yet they haven't ;^)
But in all honesty you can get a taste of Rog in the cinematic story and he'll probably come July
Shoryuken niggers are the whiniest bitches on earth.
>>342076160
why not just play Survival though?
You definitively get more than 8 matches in that mode
>>342076870
I don't think it will get as good as ki did. Especially considering this shit ain't free.
they censored the game for casuals now theyre spending all their time working on shit to entice casuals. capcom is fucking retarded. if they would have focused on the core audience the game wouldve been good and the casuals would gravitate naturally.
>>342076431
Arcade mode would be 8 matches that are too fucking easy and one that would be cheater.
Whats really the difference?
>>342077462
KI looks and plays like a free game.
>>342077508
The core audience is still playing, though. It's the casuals who are butthurt.
>>342076303
SFVST was legit broken.
>>342074936
Very likely. I'll feel a bit bad about buying vanilla version, but 92 hours playtime was way more worth from my money than the usual. I had some good fun up till now and intend to play a good tad more yet.
>>342072938
>>Does Capcom actually expect people to buy this game just because of story mode?
Would have helped if the story mode was FUCKING FINISHED when the game was released instead of shitting out an unfinished game so the EffGeeCee could have it at their slumber party
>>342077462
>KI
>free
>comes with a SINGLE fucking character unlocked
>>342077526
sf plays like LESS than a free game so that says a lot.
They had all that beta time and they didn't fix shit.
>>342075924
8 frames of input delay is fucking absurd. why is this allowed
>>342076540
Tell that to SF3, it was never even alive to begin with.
>>342077771
Its a demo, the good thing is that a single season character pack is only 20 dollars .
>>342077829
It improved significantly, though. To say the game has problems would be an understatement, but they're constantly making it better and it's a blast to play. Which is more than I can say about KI.
>>342076303
SFxTK had shit gameplay with the gems system, and how you can cheese every match by scamming the timer. SFV has good gameplay but that's all the good you can say about it other than the netcode. Everything else is bare bones and sort of forces you to play survival to get your money's worth. Story mode won't get the casuals to buy it since that's the only thing that would get them interested. Who knows, maybe casuals would buy it since its less than $40
>>342075924
>No depth
This is the fastest way to identify someone who's shit and doesn't understand fighting games. It's valid to not enjoy the game's particular style, but it has plenty of depth. People are just grasping at reasons to not play because they just don't want to play. Certainly some pros feel this way, but a lot of casuals will also use this argument when they get bopped and need an excuse for not improving.
>No balance
The fuck?? Say what you will about this game, but it's probably THE MOST balanced vanilla Street Fighter game to date. Even supposed low tiers like Gief and F.A.N.G. are getting regular use.
>>342072938
yikes who the fuck drew that
i could do better
>>342078215
I love how the shitter opinions are always either "it's imbalanced" or "it's too balanced so everybody plays the same".
>>342077006
>Balrog confirmed to have no headbutt and no 3f jab
He's fucking dead before he's even released. Cacpom doesn't want any real defensive character in the game they want everyone to do the same crush counter set ups so every retard can play every character.
>>342078570
>Wooooowww, he doesn't have the exact same tools and exact same playstyle in this new game? FUCK Capcom, man!
Newsflash: Guile is still valid defensively, if you want that. Same goes for Dhalsim or even the shotos. Only difference is you can't just throw out your cute Sonic Booms because you have to actually think about when to use them.
Adapt, shitter.
>>342077764
Its not story mode, people want arcade mode. That its. But the funny thing is the reason why they dropped arcade mode is because not that many people play it. I have an achievement in USF4 for beating the game on normal difficulty with Rolento and only %0.96 of people have it. I think the steam spy number is fucked for USF4, it says 700k owners. But that is 24k that beat that on normal. I did the math for 100k owners because ultra sold 500k cross platforms. and I got 4k people that beat arcade mode rolento. So ya, capcom cut arcade mode because people don't play arcade mode.
>>342076410
Pokken 'gets away' with massive input delay because it has 9 frame jabs like Tekken. 8f delay in a game with 3 frame jabs is insane. Some characters have 13f jabs in Pokken. It does ruin throw breaking and turns it into throw guessing though. Then again throws would be worthless like in Tekken if they could be broken on reaction easily.
>>342078879
The only problem with defensive play is because muh intentional 8 frames fucks with reactions. You have to preemptively think about anti-airing instead of reacting to a jump in with one.
I certainly hope the reputation of one of their flagship franchises was worth shitting this abortion of a game out for the Capcom Pro Tour.
>>342079121
>cut arcade
>the game does horribly to the point where it won't even reach half of SF4's lifespan
This is not a coincidence.
>>342078949
While I can understand the surprise that a basic and classic mode was missing, this fact actually makes me pretty salty about all the casuals whipping up a negative press-storm because of it.
I mean Capcom deserves the negative press for the game's infrastructure problems. But casuals seemed to bitch the loudest about arcade mode when it's a place where people fuck around in for less than an hour and never touch again.
It's like people who don't even play fighting games had some of the most damaging impacts on the game's news presence.
>>342072938
>that art
They made this whole Capcom Fighters Network thing and now they're never even gonna make any other fighters.
>>342079126
>You have to preemptively think about anti-airing instead of reacting to a jump in with in.
Not to defend the 8-frame delay, but no you don't. It is harder, but you can still absolutely react to a jump in. It's natural to NOT react jump-ins when your heavily focused on the neutral or on something else, though.
>4 months after release
>all of the stat tracking is still broken
10/10 quality game capcom
Still amazed that they didn't patch a simple arcade mode in.
That was the single most dumb decision a dev could make for a fighting game release. We literally wouldn't be having 90% of this shit-storm if they hadn't been this immensely stupid.
>>342079489
The delay is shit.
I do not understand why the fuck they abandoned a working engine to fuck this up.
>>342079597
This is the developer that intentionally put 8 frames on input delay into their game. They are the dumbest developers in videogames right now
>>342079673
8 frames are not a problem. People love to use it as an excuse though and it has officially reached meme status.
>Sony Collab
>Successful
pick one
>buying into early access game
>>342079801
Pretty much it is an excuse for them not adapting to the game. Hell the asians have no issue with the 8 frames.
>>342079801
8 frames combined with 2% damage anti airs combined with having to know 3 of them for different angles is the issue. It's a meme because lel keep jumping gets 50% damage combos
>>342079801
8 frames aren't so much as an excuse for bad execution/reaction as it is something that forces the game to be more aggressive and promotes going ham and less about defensive footsies and reactions just so they can make it more flashy to appeal to casuals.
>2016
>fighting games
it's so bizarre to me that the players don't understand how incredibly dead this genre is, and are now resorting to playing online and thinking that's a normal thing in order for the genre not to be dead.
fighting games. online.
>>342079801
>>342079967
It's true. Most people seem to ignore that most games have native 3-5f input delay. 8f may sound like a lot, but it's not that much of a jump that makes the game unplayable.
>>342079801
>8 frames are not a problem
yeah thats not going to mess up reactions or whiff punishing at all
>>342080131
>it's so bizarre to me that the players don't understand how incredibly dead this genre is
It's not dead, it's just an Arcade thing, always has and always will be. Think of the console versions as a "gym" in prep for the arcade scene.
>>342079613
It's not a problem for anti airs, this is true. It is a problem for situations where you need to react much faster, such as the whole shimmy situation. Some may still be able to react in 8 frames, others maybe not be able to react in as low as 2 frames delay, but there is certainly a group of people that get lost in those 3 extra frames this game has (SF4 has 5 frames input delay naturally).
>>342080263
there aren't any arcades though, this is why i have my perspective. i used to love fighting games, but arcades died. like 99% of the country has 0 access to arcades
>>342072938
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>342080131
>I don't play that genre
>I find it weird that other people do
>it's officially a dead genre
>>342080495
Not everyone lives in burgerland anon. Just saying.
>>342080495
Arcades died in the mid 90's. The only places that still have them are places near colleges.
>>342080532
>>342080649
Pretty much everyone who matters does. I can't imagine europe has many arcades either, you never had nearly as many as america to begin with.
>Capcom's releasing the characters in order
>"Alright cool. I'll have Juri by July or August. That's awesome."
>May hits
>"UHHHH DELAYED CUZ....FUCK IDK"
>Now May is June, June is July, July is August, etc.
>Have to wait another fucking month.
Current year
Still no arcade mode.
>>342075924
>memes the post
Jesus christ, SFV is full of bullshit yet you decide to make shit up to artificially inflate the complaint list?
>>342080785
If you already stopped playing the game good luck not getting killed 0-2 online wise. Those people will just wipe the floor with you and more so the beginers to middle end players are going to be a tiny pool.
>>342080532
>>342080941
>Implying I won the majority of my matches anyway
I only really played Ken and Laura anyway, desu.
>>342080752
>Pretty much everyone who matters does
I think we're done.
So like.
By SF5 Sakura has got to be in her 20s or so, right?
I know the official reason is "She's always a school girl!" and "She feels comfortable when taking on a hoolgian in her old school inform" or whatever.
I mean like, what is the female equivalent to a manchild? What do you call a woman in her 30s wearing clothes that don't even fit her anymore and stalking hobos across the globe?
>>342081068
how about the pie chart that shows 80% of the user base of this site is USA.
get the fuck out, thanks.
>>342081068
>huge, dominant minority arab populations in your most major cities
>you attempted to use this infographic to somehow make the UK look better than USA
shooting yourself in the foot and not even realizing it makes you look so stupid dude
This game is fucking boring, even for FGC people.
>Adding in shit characters
>No matter how many shit characters they add, the tier-list has not budged a single inch
>It's the same fucking 8 characters online, the same fucking 8 characters every tournament
>Defensive play is heavily decentivized, making it a braindead rushdown game with almost no neutral
>The rushdown is as pure as rushdown gets (i.e. pure rushdown means braindead play), even Guilty Gear you have to work harder to break your opponents guard
>Crush Counter advertised as a footsie tool but has no real purpose but to keep players from attempting to get out of shitty oki
>R. Mika still exists as she is
>V-Trigger a silly gimmick that overpowers some characters and others have hillariously shitty V-Trigger or Reversal (Vega for example not even being able to V-Reversal because it's actually that useless)
>Despite using Quickrise to advertise the end of Vortexes and Oki Fighter IV, new setplay revolves around Quickrises and other garbage tricks like restand have been found
Why the fuck is Tekken 7 coming out NEXT FUCKING YEAR?
>>342081152
Womentally retarded.
>>342081152
Sfv is after 4 but before three. sf2 is like 1992. and sf3 is 1999. and alpha is before 2. She is 16 in alpha 3.
>>342081352
ADAPT. Learn how to play the game.
How Capcom can make up for the shit launch:
Make all the year one DLC chars free.
>>342081605
it would fuck the people that bought season passes. What they did was good enough. They gave everyone 2 free story skins and the ability to play Guile, and Alex for free.
>>342081440
>even SFV dickrider's favorite dick to ride, Infiltration, has said the game is fucking boring because it never changes or has any interesting matchups
>>342081068
>his country has 16% of the population of the US with only 2.6% of the landmass
how does it feel knowing that we can go our entire lives seeing only white people, while Mohammad's dick slides into you if you so much as take a step backwards?
>>342081440
Go to bed Ricky
>>342081695
>deliver less than half a game
>"here's 2 skins"
lol no that isn't good enough
>>342081440
>All of these complaints don't count because you're bad!
Seriously stop posting.
>>342081695
>it would fuck the people that bought season passes.
Like I give a fuck if you're a retard that bought a season pass.
>They gave everyone 2 free story skins
For characters I don't play. Oh joy.
>and the ability to play Guile, and Alex for free.
Two characters I don't fucking like. Again, oh joy.
>They gave me nothing.
>>342081753
Half the game meaning no arcade mode that you expected to play and which Capcom took out because only .96% out of 100k people bothered to even play a single character to completion.
>>342081820
A whole lot of me me going on. Go cry to your 2 dads.
>>342081897
>only .96% out of 100k people bothered to even play a single character to completion.
LOLLLLLLL yeah nobody ever plays the fucking arcade mode in fighting games
did they actually feed you that garbage and you swallowed it? even with the unbelievable, hyperbolic tiny percentage?
If the game had an arcade mode, who would the boss even be? This game still hasn't got a final boss.
>>342081964
I have two moms actually.
>It's okay if Capcom's "We're sorry lol" is shit nobody fucking wants or cares about.
>Their apology is a demo and 2 skins that are borderline free to begin with.
>>342075787
>>Waaah muh vs CPU
>Like Jesus fuck off, especially shit when reviewers do this
>WAAAAH MUH HARDCORE E-SPORT! Games are only for showing off with people online you don't know
Fuck you
>>342082245
It's mind blowing that people in these threads are pretending that the majority of the fighting game market is hardcore players like people who come here
do they not realize they are literally 1% of people who buy fighting games
How come I can play as Alex, and Guile?
I didn't buy them or the season pass.
is it just me or devs just can't handle this whole responsability of "keep the game interesting even after release"?
Like 10 years ago you would release a street fighter or any other fighter, people would pay $50 and devs would just forget about it. You did mass marketing on every magazine (which barely exist anymore), and bribed every gaming website to give you high reviews. But now with steam reviews and the DLC shenanigans galore devs are forced to somehow find a magical content generator that will keep people playing their game and spending even more on it.
Is this logical? do people really want this? to be glued to a single game and have devs keep spouting low quality content for the sake of increasing revenue when the game's community is just losing interest? Do they expect the game to keep selling units in large quantities somehow?
Seems like the devs don't have a clear idea of what the players want, or they're forced into releasing stuff no one asked for, either way everybody loses.
>>342082507
it sort of is. Because each version of a game gets less and less sales. SF4 had something 3.4 million and then super was 1.9, AE 1.1 million and then ultra with 500k copies. So I got numbers and what do you got?
>>342082507
>It's mind blowing that people in these threads are pretending that the majority of the fighting game market is hardcore players like people who come here
You know what I sincerely love about SF5?
It proved that the hardcore FGC isn't the ones carrying this genre. Capcom ignored the casuals and got wrecked for it.
>>342082751
>4 fucking copies of a single game
so wait how much money did you have to spend to play SFIV over its lifetime?
I don't need numbers I have common sense anon. The subset who is highly passionate about something out of a general population will always be a minority. Really can't help you if things like this aren't self evident to you in life. Being able to think about things in that way is pretty much a foundation of rational/logical western thought
>>342072938
No. Anyone who actually cared about SF either purchased the title for online play/competitive play or choose to ignore it. The only thing a story mode fulfills is the promise Capcom made at the out front about tons of post-release support for the faithful and a fat press release to try to snatch a few casual fans.
As someone who loved SSF2T and SSFIV, I choose not to even try SFV. Mostly due to life being in the way of me dedicating that much time to learning a new fighting system (grad school, full time job, new house), but also due to general fighting game fatigue.
>>342082589
Its because their metrics say one thing and the "vocal player base" says another.
Players whine over no arcade mode, capcom looks at their metrics and see less than 1% beat the game with their 4 new characters in arcade mode. What the fuck do you think they do?
>>342072938
I got a huge fetish on unconscious girls. i willpiratethis game when the story mode comes out with the expectation of watching a lot of scenes of this kind
>>342073363
It's not a guessing game until you're executing all your inputs perfectly, even then certain characters like bison need to be spaced meticulously in they're going to maintain their more powerful options
>>342075810
I liked his Rufus
>>342082768
Capcom marketed this game directly to casuals with the gameplay, but didn't add any of the extra shit that they usually look for.
What's left is an extremely bare bones fighting game that isn't particularly interesting to the hardcoreunless you're making money off it like the people defending the input delayand still has no appeal for casuals.
I'm honestly surprised it's still alive at this point. Maybe it's just because everything else is still so dead in comparison.
>>342082921
players whined about wanting a more hardcore experience and when capcom listened the game flopped
They don't fucking care if people beat the game. They care if people BUY the game.
I seriously hope Sakura looks the way she does in the ending of Super Street Fighter IV rather than whatever the hell that atrocity is suppose to be.
>>342083148
Capcom refuses to change Ryu and Chun Li outside alts you think they're gonna do anything to change UNIFORM FETISH THE CHARACTER
>>342083060
No Capcom was pitching this game as the introduction game for people that want to get into fighters and people always forget that fighting games are hard to play. Doesn't help when Capcom has never done a single tutorial mode that actually teaches you the ins and outs of the game like some of the Arc System Works fighting games.
>>342082859
About 130 bucks over four years. Sixty up front for vanilla SFIV, Super was offered exculsively as a stand-alone upgrade as it was "too big" to be released as a patch/DLC--it was 40 dollars new. To upgrade from SSFIV to SSFIV:AE was 15 USD to download or another 40 bucks if you wanted a disc copy. And finally ultra was another 15 dollar download or 40 dollar disc.
>>342074815
To be fair, it was either that or we would've stuck with the broken vanilla version forever. Disney was pulling the plug on all licensed games at the time because they thought they could grab the entire pie for themselves if they made games on their own rather than letting others use Disney IPs. We saw how that turned out.
If anything, Capcom did FGC a favor by developing Ultimate. Yeah, it looked bad in the eyes of public, but Capcom knew FGC would rather get an updated version.
>>342082529
It's how they are going to beta test them since they are basically last minute.
>Capcom boss says rush game out
>Slow down playerbase by making characters need to be unlocked not by beating the arcade mode because that shit doesn't exist yet.
>Make them free to be tested then lock them later
Yeah thats right, they are going to lock alex and guile later after you get used to them being select able.
>>342083419
Ya that is just being under the mercy and guns of a contract.
>>342078879
>>342079126
The shotos do not have strong defensive play because all your options that aren't outranged are your fireballs.
Characters billed as "the defensive characters" actually shine best when they go in ala Fang and Sim.
Guile is actually a rare case in V of having frame advantage for blocked projectiles so even he gets the biggest dividends when he goes in on someone.
Part of playing V is accepting that you just don't get to downback. Some people don't like not having that option.
Considering casuals only give a shit about cinematic experiences and don't actually play games, yes.
That was literally the number one thing the vast majority of people bitched about with SFV.
They didn't give a shit about 8F delay. They didn't give a shit about 3F buffer. They didn't give a shit about battle lounge issues. They didn't give a shit about 2P 1F increase on some moves.
They only cared that it didn't have a fucking cinematic mode.
>>342074487
>>342072938
>why is she wearing khakis under her skirt
>oh fuck god no
This got tossed around a lot but if Capcom charged 30 bucks instead of 60 I honestly wouldn't have given a fuck.
Even DOA released a core edition. DOA. DOA was less evil than capcom
>>342083534
If I'm going to be forced to rushdown, I would rather play some anime fighter or melee. They're considerably better at it than SF5 is.
I like SF because it was one of the few games that actively tried to balance offensive and defensive playstyles instead of just all rushdown all the time.
>>342083463
Nigga are you really this stupid? They're free right now because they couldn't get the zenny system to work properly with Steam and PSN.
>>342078215
There is no depth lmao, can spot the brainwashed drone easily.
>>342083582
he thinks this
>>342083661
After all the fucking shit doa4 did to the community, 5 better had fucking stepped it up.
that shit almost killed the series with all that political bullshit fixed pots and whatnot.
It made for a good read though.
>>342083730
You can best bet that shit is gonna be locked so they can get the cash grab going.
They did the same shit with kanzaki estate in the beta just as a cuck test.
>>342083582
well the thing is MOST gamers play games with their friends and only casually touch the online mode.
I played a shit ton of 4 and 3 with my friends, but I don't give a fuck about online. It was our weekly hangout thing. And most gamers play for fun, not to show of their mad online skills.
>>342083284
jesus fucking christ. and here you are in an sfv thread. i hope you don't own this game
i feel embarrassed to be around you guys i gotta leave this thread sorry
>>342083721
I still play V because my locals do. If other games were an option for them, I would feel exactly like you do.
>>342083838
Again, are you really this fucking stupid?
They already said the characters would be free until the shop system worked. And they're keeping fight money as well. I literally have enough fight money for all of the season 1 and season 2 characters.
>>342084081
Personally, I'm out of the genre until KoF14 lands.
I still can't believe I'm more excited for a PS2 game than I am a mainline SF.
>>342084012
>im so embarrassed for you guys -_- *hides $800 receipt for Melee and Smash 4*
>>342083582
The other big thing was that for a few days the online play was extremely shitty. It was two days of server issues, but when that's all the game had to offer it left an extremely damning first impression.
>>342084371
All it did really was prove that Harada was smarter than Ono and that, even if it gives the Nips a competitive edge, a fighting game really needs a 1 year beta in arcades.
That being said the first year of competitive fighting games is always bullshit and insane. Vanilla SF4 was rush down reversal nonsense until year 2.
>>342084512
Harada has always been smarter than ono. Thats why he whooped his ass in the promo commericals.
>>342084512
But anon, every other thread said that Vanilla SF4 was nothing but Fireballs and uppercuts.
>>342084371
See to me online is fun and should be a major component. But online isn't going to be around forever. I can boot up any old KOF any old SF whatever if I feel like having some fun and it's pretty much as good as the day it came out.
When the next game comes out and all the online players move onto the next thing whats gonna be left for SF5?
>>342084757
DPs were an extension of footsies back then. What a strange time.
>>342084512
People have really short term memories.
>>342072938
NO SAKURA NO BUY.
>>342084763
That's actually what people are saying happened with V when Overwatch dropped. At least by people, I mean Arturo Sanchez.
>>342075123
Not compared to a fighting game.
its their fault for making it ps4 exclusive
>>342085168
But they needed the money or the game would never be made!Definitely doesn't have anything to do with poorly managing all that money they're raking in from MH.
>>342074732
They buffed fucking Zero while my girl got absolutely nothing.
How do I get good at Birdie?
>>342085339>Definitely doesn't have anything to do with poorly managing all that money they're raking in from MH.
How do yo-
>Capcom
Oh.
>>342085401
Why your girl was in the game in the first place is a bigger problem.
>>342081713
It's like different top players in the FGC throughout the decades have preferred different games or something.
'09er confirmed
>>342074645
This is SFV. Where all your nightmares will come true.
>>342082768
Casuals only carry first month sales it's not like they stick with the game
>>342085557
Seriously tho I don't know why they made her so shit, she already had all the tools in VampSav to be at least a mid tier character but they for some reason thought toning her down for FUCKING MARVEL THE GAME WHERE THEY DIAL SHIT UP TO 11 was a good idea.
>>342077928
It is still alive-ish in Japan. Check TheShend of the 3RDSTRIKE channel on Youtube. A LOT of Makotos nowadays, and the best player is typically held to be Tominaga
That 3S remained as an official SBO game until the very last SBO despite being released in 1999 is by itself pretty fucking impressive
>>342085659
MKX is a really clear example of this. It was praised unanimously by the casuals and the press but it's tournament numbers tanked after the honeymoon period.
>>342085481
V-Skill to condition your opponent and rack up trigger so you can enter gorilla mode. Birdie has amazing buttons too. Random ex dolphin dive once in a while because >8frames.
Watch Genius/Crusher/Alucard. Alternatively switch/sub Necalli because this game rewards more aggressive in your face play.
>>342085659
>Casuals only carry first month sales
so just the ones that matter
>>342085698
>Best player is typically held to be Tominaga
I love the guy, but what the hell are you talking about
Best player is either Nuki or Kurodawhen he's not playing bad characters
>>342086130
I don't think Kuroda plays regularly anymore. OR Nuki
Tominaga has remained faithful to 3S and has leveled up tremendously (he was already top 20-ish back in the day). He's an execution wizard with Makoto and 100%ing from karakusa
>>342085654
quality character rigging
>>342086240
He still loses pretty consistently to Mimora
If you want to go off success in the ranking battles, the best would probably be Mochi
>>342083052
input delay wasn't for casuals
input delay was for online warriors so they could have a long buffer like Namco fighters.
>>342086130
Does DirtyMusic still play?
>literally who Oro player nobody even knows
>wrecking Kuroda at his prime with the machine set to 5 rounds, even getting perfects more than once on the same set
>Kuroda mysteriously goes on an Oro main phase before he kinda fucks off 3S
Wouldn't surprise me if it was inspired by Dirty's Oro
>>342086462
I am an online warrior and I don't want to play SF5 with 8 frames of delay + online delay when I can just go play something on GGPO and have 1 frame of input delay.
Capcom still appears to be misguided on how to make their netcode appealing.
>>342085905
Say I wanted to go to a Weekly 6 days from now. Which 2 Bnbs will get me the most mileage?
>>342075924
>specializes both genders
What the fuck
>>342075924
>Specializes both genders
Explain you memeing fuck
>>342072938
I think that 2D fighters are just over and that they aren't meant to work with all their stupid mechanics.
>>342086904
cr.lk>st.lk>lp.bull head is pretty much all you need. If you have meter and trigger you can just do ex bull head and trigger cancel off the first hit to make it safe/followup. For CC punish just do st.hk into cr.mp xx bull head/horn depending on if you have super/trigger cancel.
Why do SF threads always start with bait these days?
>>342088096
It's the new Monster Hunter thread, except sometimes it is valid criticism.
>officially dead
>link doesn't say that
>biggest fighter by a mile
>>342088318
SFV has an army of dedicated shitposters. There is an agenda behind the scenes.
>mfw this entire practice of "let's release a broken, barebones game for full price and just patch in fixes over the next year or two before dropping support" in modern vidya is the fault of PCucks and Steam because console developers are now realizing the retards on PC still buy this shit when they put no effort in so surely console players will as well
>>342088375
All fighting games have an army of shitposters. It's just salty players that never got any good at a fighting game so they have to justify their ineptitude by shitposting.
>>342088595
I'm pretty good at a couple fighting games.
SF5 is still shit.
>>342075747
For me its just not as fun as 3 or 4.
I appreciate a lot of the bullshit that they tried to fix like option selects, 1 framers, ridiculous invincibility on 3 frame meterless moves, but they got rid of a lot of the fun as well.
Not having to do 1 frame links all the time is nice but they also took away cool juggles.
The game is faster but neutral just feels so empty compared to 4
>>342085956
It's about how much money you can get out of whales in the long term now, look at DoA5
5 $90 season passes and people actually buy them
Anyone who dislikes sfv is just low test
>>342072938
>Does Capcom actually expect people to buy this game just because of story mode?+ 0 post omitted.
It's the #1 reason people bashed SFV for.
No, of course nobody's going to buy it, the novelty is gone already and SFV is forever branded as a "bad game".
>>342089953
>small peek of midriff
>that hips
Holy fuck, these two sluts
>>342089953
>that slight hint of midriff
Well done miss Kanzuki
>>342079801
>>342080084
>>342080064
>>342079967
>>342080228
keep defending it all you want, 8 frames are inexcusable for a fighting game, you wouldn't know since SFV is your first one
there's no "adaptation" to be had here, the game has much larger input delay than every other notable fighting game in existence, making it hella clunky and extremely unresponsive
>Most people seem to ignore that most games have native 3-5f input delay
3 frames of input delay is the absolute minimum you can achieve with modern tech
skullgirls has 3 frames, mortal kombat has 3 frames, even 3rd Strike has 3 frames on the original systems, the emulated X360 version has huge input delay that people have been complaining about ever since it came out
for a fighting game every frame counts, MORESO than any other genre, YOU might not operate on a level that makes them count but others do
there's a huge difference between 3, 5 and 8 frames especially in a game with fucking 3f jabsand before you start foaming at the mouth and mindlessly post another uninformed opinion of yours because I'm apparently bashing your favorite fighting game:
SFV is still fun to me, but I realize its faults and it's no fun to try and play it at a high level
>>342090110
>>342090461
Here's some real thicc with midriff!
>>342082986First time I've ever seen anyone on 4chan have the same fetish I do. it's nice to see that
If the game had more than "autofootsies into unga bunga guessing situations" than it might be more fun to play.
>>342090618
>than every other notable fighting game in existence
Tekken has 10f delay with even more start up frames, you fucking faggot.
>>342091428
>and before you start foaming at the mouth and mindlessly post another uninformed opinion of yours because I'm apparently bashing your favorite fighting game:
tekken never went higher than 7f which is also a very shitty amount
>>342074753
I don't think that is Bengus, because they made a big deal of him coming back to draw arcade mode.
>>342091428
Tag 2 had 6 in a game where a move was "fast" because it was a 10 frame move.
>>342074487
Quick googling says artist to by the name Kiki.
>>342091809
Tag 2 goes up to 8. And SFV is 7,3, not 8. So why are you being such a bitch about specific number while also attempting to make SFV's numbers seem higher?
>the game has much larger input delay than every other notable fighting game in existenc
This is literally what you said while ignoring that Tekken is the next big fighting game next to SF. Not to mention that Tekken has even more start up frames making le reaction game even worse. But you convienently forgot to mention this in your OMG I AM THE GREATEST SF FAN TRUST ME.
If it bothers you that much, play on fucking PC with vsync off and you get 5f delay which is about genre standard.
>>342092152
>And SFV is 7,3, not 8.
shows how much you know
there's no 7.3rd frame, the move comes out on the 8th frame
>SFV is forced to be a rushdown game because of 8f lag not allowing proper reactions
>The whole game isn't built around that, no interesting defensive options
Why not just play games based around that in the first place then? Anime fighters are about offensive too, but instead of 8f lag everything is actually fast as fuck. If you're a god you can do amazing shit on defense. You also have much more options on defensive and offensive.
>>342092378
Please stop acting like you even know what those words mean. people just say 8 frames as they are rounding up and it is easier than always writing 7.3
>This isn’t the first we’ve heard of the issue, as a recent lag test video courtesy of Display Lag confirmed that the title clocks in at about 122ms/7.3 frames on a 60hz television screen
http://shoryuken.com/2016/05/09/street-fighter-v-players-express-concern-over-playstation-4s-offline-input-latency/
>>342092530
you're a complete idiot
there is no 7.3rd frame, the game processes the move on the very next frame which is frame 8
>tfw enjoy playing reactively and defensively
>tfw 8 frames, shit anti-airs, shit projectiles and shit pokes: the game
>>342092663
No it doesn't you tard, it averages 7.3 meaning it is more likely to come out on frame 7 but the exact frame varies. Stop pretending you even begin to understand this, and before you start screaming it is inconsistent that is also normal
But yeah lets take some idiot on /v/'s opinion over display
>>342092931
>it averages 7.3 meaning
jesus, you actually are an idiot
if it AVERAGES 7.3 that means MOST OF THE TIME it's 7.3 which means MOST OF THE TIME it will be rounded up to frame 8 because there is no 7.3rd frame
did you get that in your head yet you drooling retard?
>>342072938
>over 5000 entrants at evo
>healthy competitive scene
>capcom pushes its capcom cups
>people still complain about it being bad
Hate to break it for you but sfv is alive and won't die for a good while. I hope that the story mode will bring a new wave of players into game.
>>342093115
nigga u dum
If you average 7's and 8's then it's below 7.5 it means more 7's happens, if it's above then more 8's
>>342093197
>then
and* too high fo dis shit
>>342093197
fucking american
>>342093115
> MOST OF THE TIME
No, that means it is under that and sometimes over
if a sequence of numbers is 5 and 7, the average is 6 but it is never actually 6
If one wants to get into fighting games and wants to play on PC. What choices are there? Anything to look forward to?
>>342093356
Tekken 7: FR announced to be hitting steam at E3.
>>342093356
SFV is the only alive one
MKX never got an update
People moved on from xrd
Fightcade has all the old games but it is either spics who are god like or begging for games
>>342093412
*in 6 months at best
>>342093289
no nig u dum
I dont care about ur sciene and shiet, this is pure logic. There's no most of the time 7.3 bcuz 7.3 never happns, which means most of the time it must be below 8
>>342093469
Yeah, that was for his "look forward to" category. He can look forward to hit for the foreseeable year.
>>342080785
Actually they'll still be on schedule going forward because June didn't have a character drop. If they run into another delay though that'll be a problem
>>342093423
Im really shit at street fighter but finding out about the 8 frames in SFV just makes me not want to play the game. Especially with all the shit around it.
>>342093719
>Im really shit at street fighter
then you probably don't even really understand the whole 8 frames deal. It does not make the game broken or anything it just means you have to play differently
Ricki said it best
https://twitter.com/HelloKittyRicki/status/741917542470451200
>Especially with all the shit around it.
You mean shitposting, it is by far the most popular fighting game right now
>>342093719
Considering the backlash from the FGC about 8F it'll be fixed after Capcom Cup.
The servers still hiccup but it's been getting better and the base game is still fun. People have short term memories as pointed out earlier in the thread and always forget how wonky the first real year of a Street Fighter is.
Rush down DP spam just works because it's year 1.
>>342093934
Ricki actually looks passable these days
>>342093356
Skullgirls
Guilty Gear
many more on Fightcade
>>342081352
This senpai I only ever see Ryu and Ken online here in Oceania
(I play Karin but i'm looking to try Mika and Juri)
>>342093719
Look, Ricky has been doing just as well as Rog or Snake. Meaning they haven't won shit. The 8 frames are a little jarring and do limit just what kind of play is viable. However, it is still SF at it's core so it isn't hard to pick up or have fun with.
Thought I'd give a 2nd opinion.
>>342094019
is there a street fighter on fightcade which has alot active competition?
>>342081352
So you mean half the cast gets tournament play. You do realize that's a fucking great thing right? As opposed to USF4 that had 5 characters out of 44 getting most of the play, or 3rd Strike that had 2 characters getting most of the play.
>>342094491
3s/Turbo have
>>342072938
Those art look so ugly,i wish the artist realize that,the art in sf4 look so much better.
>>342094012
I want Ricky to dicky Mike Ross.
>>342094603
3s
has like 10 players online right now.
>>342081352
What 8 characters? I can only think of like 5 or 6
Ryu
Nash
Mika
Ken
Karin
Guile maybe
I never see anyone else
>>342094491
No game on there is really active, and any that has people playing will stomp you so hard you'll struggle to learn anything
