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Fuck you. I liked it.
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>ITT:shit taste general
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>>342057687

Are you proud of yourself for having garbage taste?
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>>342057687
Added to my list of games I'll never bother with and might watch a lets play some day maybe but probably not.
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>>342057942
This series of images means nothing to me. What's the point of it? Are those shots from the game or something?
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>>342057687
Should I play Homecoming?
I have it installed on my PC but never touched it. Do I give it a go or uninstall it?
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>>342057942
JUST
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I think downpour is better than homecoming. At least some of the bosses in downpour were alright to fight; the bosses in homecoming were all either absolute pushover or a fucking pain in the ass because of the combat system. The huge old man fight was admittedly pretty lame, but that arena was pretty neat. Playing as the wheelman was pretty cool. The music for the most part was pretty spooky.

The story in Downpour is alright and Murphy is a pretty cool guy. The game had some pretty cool stages (the caverns and the Hansel and gretel area). Did your choices matter at all in that game besides your wheelman decision? I can't remember (thinking about trying to catch the guard and how toy talk to her later and whether or not you help the guy who killed those kids).

The red orb chase segments were already old when they used them for a second time in silent Hill 3 and they got old after the first time in downpour, amd the sliding down segments were dumb. The area transitions were pretty neat most of the time and some of the puzzles were kind of cool later in the game, like the whole "turn the wheel to become your reflection" puzzles.

The endings were pretty good for the most part, like the one where the woman wakes up in Murphys spot.

On the whole, I probably give it a 6 out of 10. Maybe I'll play it again someday.
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>>342057687
Agreed.
That part where you set up the play on stage was clever as fuck.
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>>342057687
I think it's actually a good game, the problem is the name. Shouldn't be called "Silent Hill".
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Downpour was flawed, but I think its heart was in the right place. There were some nice ideas and memorable moments, even if it wasn't the same tier as SH2.

>>342059997
>seeing the storm become real
Favorite part probably.
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>>342058242
I didn't think Homecoming was as terrible as people made it out to be. It's a fine horror game but it's kind of rough trying to compare its storytelling and symbolism to the original Silent Hills.
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>>342057942
Is...is that actually what the HD collection looks like?
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>>342058242
Only if you're a diehard Silent Hill fan. Personally speaking, I loathed the game, more than any other Silent Hill game.
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>>342060583
>it's a good game just not a good X game
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>>342057942
>Are you proud of yourself for having garbage taste?
But I don't like Homecoming.
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>>342057687
Same.
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>>342061786

They're both trash.
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fuk the second one tho
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>>342057687
I liked it too.Though it is bad.
>>342057942
what is this
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Downpour is made of some really good ideas, some really bad decisions, and the worst visual design in the business.
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>>342062978
Yeah it's kind of a shame that most of the standard enemies aren't much more than zombies. Even at its worst SH usually has fun with monster design.
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>>342062942
a joke on how tomm hulette is a retard
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>>342063808
But he's the biggest Silent Hill fan there is.
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>>342063871
such a big fan that he tried to fucking rewrite Silent Hill 2.
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>>342064081
Hey, he made Born From A Wish playable and replaced the cast because the original was shit. He made it so all our Halo-chugging buddies could enjoy it.
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>>342064591
Did you watch Twin Perfect's videos on the HD collection?
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>>342064871
As much as I can't stand Twin perfect, that was a pretty good explanation of everything wrong with the HD collection.
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>>342058242
Save yourself the trouble and skip it. Though there are a few good bits scattered in the game, they're hidden in a mountain of bullshit and mediocrity. Not to mention that the big twist, along with most of the possible endings, are all stupid and meaningless. The conclusion is powerless and completely senseless, unless you're a diehard fan then you'll leave with a bad taste in your mouth.
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>>342061101
No.
It's still pretty bad, though
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>>342059276
I have to agree, neither are good Silent Hill games but Downpour is better than Homecoming by a country mile. Downpour's story is much stronger than Homecoming, the primary characters of Downpour were better, and the endings were conclusive. I feel like Downpour managed to stick to its themes and core principles better than Homecoming.
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>>342057942
but nobody like hd collection mate

downpour is alright and playable
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AND THE RAIN BEATS DOWN

IT'S BEATING DOWN MY DOOR

WON'T YA HELP ME LORD?

BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF STORMS
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>>342057687
Wasn't this game made by slavs? They're practically Asian so it was pretty decent.
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>>342068467
it was made by a retard
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Too much mundane and meaningless exploration and very few enemies. Ok atmosphere. Homecoming is more coherent.
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>>342068751
>Homecoming is more coherent.
Not with all that lore-rape.
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>>342069074
to be fair downpour raped its own story
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i liked the theme by korn
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coherent only as a standalone narrative , these games are like the bootleg silent hill in terms of lore and story. How about origins and SM?
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>>342070413
>SM
>No sequel adapting SH2 ever.
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>>342070413
Origins is a useless addition to the Silent Hill lore, and it's main conceit of playing as a killer with DID was ruined because it was trying so hard to be a prequel. from a gameplay perspective, it's not bad, and a better representation of classic Silent Hill than any other Western one.

Shattered Memories is an absolutely brilliant spin on the series, and while not scary is easily the best of these narrative driven 'walking simulators" that have become popular in the past few years. Not a great survival horror game, but the experience makes it worthwhile.
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>>342070826
>Brilliant
I wouldn't go that far.
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>>342070672
>No sequel adapting SH2 ever.
Good: I want Silent Hill 2 to be left alone, and unaltered. One of the most interesting things about Shattered Memories is that It was a sequel to the bad nding of SH1, and not a remake of it.
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>>342070672
That would be really fucking nice!
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>>342070973
Fair enough, but I'm always impressed by a story that actually gets me with its twist.
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>>342071061
I'm never a big fan of it was all a dream twists.Plus, for being a "reimagining" of Silent Hill 1, I don't think it did all that much with it. Dahlia is now Harry's wife, but that's about it as far as playing with expectations outside of the ending
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Honestly if Downpour wasn't a Silent Hill game it would probably be a decent 7/10. The only Silent Hill aspect that was decently used was the world transitions, and even that has become a pretty standard thing in horror games. Almost everything else was a bungled attempt to recreate SH2, yet again, by copying superficial elements.
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>>342070979
>It was a sequel to the bad nding of SH1, and not a remake of it.
Not exactly but it takes inspiration from it.
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>>342071625
But it's not Silent Hill 2 this time. See, look, we didn't use Pyramid Head again. Instead it's my totally original character Blyramid Bed. Please don't compare it to Silent Hill 2, because then our game might not look good.
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>>342071779
>le man in gas mask so spooky

Western studios just can't into Silent Hill
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>>342071909
They really should have ditched the gas mask. Makes him too human and more like some kind of cheesy slasher villain instead of a Silent Hill monster. Plus the way he carries himself just makes it seem like a guy in a costume, which I guess he technically ends up being that now that I think about it. Man, Downpour was lame
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>>342071909
The west is run by Jews and gas stuff scare Jews.
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>>342071909
When will they learn that abstract horror is what made Pyramid Head scary rather than oooga booga gas mask-san?
The Void is closer to Silent Hill in its monster design than any other Western game, bar The Suffering.
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>>342072123
>which I guess he technically ends up being that now that I think about it.
I kind of liked the concept that everyone was someone else's boogeyman, even though it sounds trite when said so plainly.
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Downpour is shit, no akira yamoka so they had to go to walmart and buy a spooky halloween CD. A lot of the screams, and sounds and stuff is stock garbage
Graphics are shit, and character's can't even convey emotions in their face
The story is garbage, not interested one bit, and it ends up being nonsensical anyway
Enemies are trash tier
Combat is shit and controls are shit, and it's buggy and keep stuttering and freezing
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>>342057687
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>>342072123
They should have just went with Multiple versions of the Bogeyman running around using the concept art from this >>342071779

It would have added more flavor to the thing instead of it being Not!Pyramid Head.
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I liked it, I really like how it starts with Murphy fucking murdering a guy
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>>342071909
They should have given him like a riot helmet or something
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>>342072623

I mean, I guess there really isn't too many ways they could change him without making him just more like Pyramid Head, but the solution to this is simple.
Stop fucking copying Pyramid Head you hack frauds
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>>342072623
Doesn't pretty much anyone who walks into Silent Hill that isn't involved with the cult have their own version of Pyramid Head? Like how that one girl in SH2 had Abstract Daddies and Murphy's Boogeyman
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>>342072648
But then you get to one of the endings and it turns out you never actually murdered him
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>>342072363
I thought that was kind of clever in its own right as well.
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>>342072875
Heather even had one called Valtiel.
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>>342072893
That was actually a script error.
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>>342058242
kind of like the RE4 of SIlent Hill in my mind.

decent game

horrible silent hill game.
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>>342073012
Well it shipped that way
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>>342073040
It's more like the RE6 of SH.
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>>342073110
>>342073040
It's the Operation Raccoon City of SH
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>>342073012
>That was actually a script error.
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>>342072204
I never found pyramid head scary in any way. The first time you see him staring at you, you think "well, that's pretty creepy", then you get locked in a room with him and you can't hurt him...so you slowly walk circles around him until he leaves. That encounter makes him fall over like a cheap cardboard prop.
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>>342073814
Oh shit, I forgot to ask my question What do you mean by script error?
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>>342073916
He killed Napier indefinitely.
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>>342074084
What do you mean?
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>>342074486
He killed Napier, but the script was written in such a way that it sounded like he didn't.
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>>342074486
What do you mean "What do you mean?"? Murphy killed that guy. Anything that says otherwise in-game is an error in the script.
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>>342074689
Oh, by script you meant dialogue? I thought you were talking about an error in the code that bugged an ending or something. What exactly do they say that makes it sound like he didn't?
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>>342074726
An error in the script that is shipped as a final product IS the script.
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Napier is the lady guards father right, the dude in the chair? Isn't it 100% canon that you didn't kill him, you refused and that one corrupt guard fucked him up?
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>>342074937
Napier is the guy who raped and killed Murphy's son
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This is the only acceptable copy of PH.
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>Homecoming
>you're a soldier so that's why you're good at combat
>lol no, you're just a nutbag

How in the fuck did anyone think that made any sort of sense?
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>>342075137

They never explicitly talk about killing him, do they? After the final Murphy boogeyman fight, I guess I just surmised that that was actually killing him.
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>>342075376
It's possible that he really was a soldier, but went super nuts and the whole game was just Alex tripping out during electroshock.
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>>342075376
He was probably the bottom of his class, had no kills in al qaeda, and probably doesn't have any connections that could wipe silent hill of the face of the earth
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>>342075482
During the game, isn't it explained to you that you went nuts when you were much younger and have been locked away for years? If your dad hates you so much, why did he give you his jacket and dog tags?
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>>342075376

>Alex and Joshua got into a fight over a dumb necklace which caused Joshua to hit his head and fall into the water like a retard

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that cutscene for the first time, from the sheer stupidity of it.
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>>342075482
>>342075707
As far as I remember, the game never once alludes to him actually being a soldier.
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>>342075714
yeah, but due to the multiple endings, one which sees Alex's Dad and the cop guy as nurses in a psych ward, it's not clear.
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Still not as bad as Homecoming

Alex is literally the most dangerous thing in the town. Where else will you see a guy with a knife taking on three monsters at a time?
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>>342075770
>Alex, Elle, and Wheeler are on the boat when suddenly, without any noise made whatsoever, the human dudes launch a surprise attack

That game is a pile of shit and I will fight anyone who thinks otherwise.
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>>342059276
>Did your choices matter at all in that game

>Have choices to make
>Both almost always have the same outcome
>Literally none of them matter till the very last one

Well meme'd Double Helix
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>>342075376
The main character isn't good at fighting. He has some weird knife animations that would get him killed in combat with a trained marine.

He knows how to use guns because AMERICA, also his dad was a sheriff and a hunter.

Not sure if it is still up, but the site they made for the game had a diary of his time enlisted, you can see the writing get really bad when he tries to describe his PTSD and reaction to combat. It becomes more natural when he is "hospitalized" since he is drawing on real experiences (he talks about how attractive the nurses are).

That being said, Homecoming still had a pretty crappy story. Really hated how we never got a revolver.
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>FROM software
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>>342057687
Downpor had shit gameplay and monster design, but fuck it, the writing tried and I genuinely liked the story.
Also, best joke ending of the series.
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>>342076557
>The main character isn't good at fighting.
Compared to most of the other protagonists he is.

>also his dad was a sheriff and a hunter.
His dad was a piece of shit to him because he pussed out and didn't kill him. I doubt he would have been doing father-son time with him.

>but the site they made for the game had a diary of his time enlisted, you can see the writing get really bad when he tries to describe his PTSD and reaction to combat.
Doesn't his father tell him though that he never was at war and was at a mental hospital instead because he went nuts after killing his brother?
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>>342076887
Which one? I liked the prison break-birthday one.
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I've never played a Silent Hill game before. Is it worth even getting into them now that Konami has turned them into exclusively pachinko machines?
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>>342077194
>pissed out and didn't kill him

I thought the problem was that the lake gods demanded an Alex sacrifice at a certain time, and the time wasn't now, but Josh dies first accidentally so they get a a josh sacrifice instead and get all pissy?
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>>342057687
>tfw there will never ever be a sequel
I guess people dont like fun
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>>342077384

Silent Hill is a mixed bag. It's a much more psychological type of survival horror than resident evil with much less focus on the combat, which is usually absolutely horrible. The series is notorious for having shitty boss fights, and some of the puzzles are a little questionable. But I think they're definitely decent games if yoy like creepiness. Definitely give them a whirl.
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>>342077384
The first 3 games are worth checking out
The fourth game is alright for half of a game
The everything after that is mostly garbage
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>>342077415
>alex is firstborn
>silent hill gods demand the families kill firstborn
>other families do
>alex's dad is like "wait, I don't think I want to"
>shepard's glen is cursed

Alex was always supposed to be the sacrifice.
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>>342077384
Yes, but avoid the HD collection at all costs.
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>>342077251
That's the one.
With the good music n' all.
It's a pretty fitting ending for the last game of the series, I gotta say.
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Here's a webbum
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>>342077194
Heather has a FUCKING SWORD, a Maul, and can unlock eye lasers.

Alex is only "good" comparatively because the game has camera lock on and 4-way dodge. Every other protagonist kills more dangerous shit and has stronger arsenals.

He was never in the military though, which was why the entries he made describing his enlisted life are really simple and stereotypical. He's trying to write from a perspective he never experienced.

Also, his dad treated his younger brother really well, and would've grudgingly taken him to any activities he took his youngest since the two siblings were so close. Dad also had to keep up appearances, not everyone in town knew about the sacrifices that needed to be made.
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>>342078287
What's the song that plays during that ending anyway?
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>>342079073

>every other protagonist kills more dangerous shit

Look at that stupid doll boss and the final boss and say that again, those things are fast-moving murder machines. What did you fight in silent Hill 2? Eddie? The rape monster? Two slow moving guys with spears that kill themselves? People stuck in floating bed frames?
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>>342070672
4 would lend itself much better to the shattered memories style, through the lens of Walter Sullivan. I'd play the shit out of that.
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>>342072204
Even the void is just a rip of the red light from the silent hill 3 house ride. All it needed was the voice track.
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>>342079562
You're confusing game play with potency. In 1 and 3 you fight something approaching a dark god. Even pyramid head in 2 is a being of greater power than the stuff you fight in Homecoming because the stuff you fight in Homecoming is based on a branch cult with significantly less spiritual influence.

Also, how can you say that Alex is the most dangerous thing in town then say that 2 bosses are "fast-moving murder machines"?
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>>342072204
The Suffering was cool as fuck, pulled off action-horror damn near perfectly.
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Downpour wasn't bad, it wasn't good as well. It was average, but I did enjoy playing it. Wish it had more monster variety
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>>342079348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngxkmUuboRQ
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>>342070043
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

I've been listening Korn for the past 20 years and just now I realize they made a song for Silent Hill?
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>>342081760
i dont think it was the entirety of korn just the singer
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>>342081821
Yeah, just got the song on youtube and that's definitely JD...

Fuck me. Is the game any good? I've played SH 1/2/3/4/Origins and Shattered Memories. Does it hold up?
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>>342081941
It's okay, It's better than homecoming but most of the monsters have boring designs
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>>342081485

You have me confused with some other poster. I'm not the "Alex is the most dangerous thing in town" guy.

I feel like the bosses in 2 were total garbage and not challenging to fight at all, so I call them weak. I feel like the bosses in home coming were larger, faster and harder to kill, so I call them strong(er). If we're gonna go with their spiritual significance, now we're basically arguing power levels: i could talk about how the magic that makes monsters in homecoming is actually from a group of gods who demand regular sacrifice, and no one knows what power motivates the events of Silent Hill 2, but at this point we're basing theories off of theories.
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>>342073860
PH wasn't actually trying to kill James, he was there to torture him and to guide him
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>>342077985
I don't remember if it explicitly has to be the first born. Either way it doesn't explain why Alex would be left alive or what they did while he was gone. Did his mom just sit in a chair for years straight? Was his dad tied up in the church in anticipation of his eventual asylum escape?
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>>342082165
I must disagree on the fact that the motherfucker killed me a bunch of times...
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>>342082165

>PH wasn't actually trying to kill James,
>Attempts to strangle you with one hand, while trying rend you in half with an oversized kitchen utensil or impale you with a spear
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>>342082050
Eh, fair enough. I'm pretty sure PH kind of lets you win in all his fights, which definitely doesn't make for an enjoyable conclusion but does say that he considers fighting the MC not even worth it. In its own way that conveys a lot of strength.

Homecoming had better fighting mechanics so every fight in the game tends to be more enjoyable than beating on crawling dudes with a nail plank. It is also deeper, so there are more ways to screw up which significantly increases the challenge. I'd agree with you that the creatures in Homecoming are more dangerous to the player than the stuff in the other entries.
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>>342078529
>Heather with long sleeves

Some people are just really bad, bad people.
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Anyone have a download link for Silent Hill 2? A very kind anon posted links for 1-4 in a thread a couple days ago but the ISOs for 2 are corrupted for some reason. So I started with 3 instead of 2.
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>>342078529
What the fuck is up with the PS2 characters? they're constantly looking at the floor for some reason
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>>342082983
https://mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8 Here you go, I'll post the other 2 just in case
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>>342082707
He kills Maria every chance he gets and yet, every time you fight him he's just SLOWLY walking towards you and SLOWLY swinging his sword in your general direction, even when you're fighting two of them you can run circles around them. PH was there only to make James suffer, to show him his own inner guilt.

>>342083304
The shame of being in a Tomm Hulett game.
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>>342057687
Still waiting on the sequel for that cliffhanger ending.
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>>342083304
They're clearly depressed by the state of the series.
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>>342083181
>heather will never lock her legs around you
why live
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>>342083576

I don't actually know what happens because I just assumed you die....what happens if you just let him catch you in the one hallway where he runs after you and Maria and kills her the first time?
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>>342083794
Don't get me wrong, he'll kill you just like any other monster in the game, you'll just get a regular Game Over. Which is what happens if you let Maria die before you reach the elevator in that scene.
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>>342075854
Tekken Force mode was GOAT,
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>>342084543
Legend of dragoon is great and has comfy threads. The only things that can make it even better is if it had an hd remaster with a few balance fixes, such as making kongol not useless.
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>>342057687
Well fuck YOU, I loathe it.

>>342058242
Don't bother.

>>342059276
Everything in DP is abysmal, and it has no story either.
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>>342084828
Too bad Sony doesn't give the slightest shit about it or their other IPs anymore, so our chances of ever getting a remake/remaster are slim to none.

>legend of dragoon is dead
>ape escape is dead
>medievil is dead
>wipeout is dead
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>>342083443
Thanks a lot man!
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>>342077384
Yes. Play ONLY the originals by Team Silent. You can get them for PC here:


SH1 NTSC DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk

SH2 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8

SH2 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!bYcEnbhC!rYnhvcJiRC46T6yExS0Y61JHZ-5N3WxFvfZMI8xbyhE

SH3 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!2JNkgJ7b!nfPf5cIs6I5K-sdAs7RcnHvGA2hAvIGdpQuIoBhF3iE

SH3 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!GVVGRLpD!SyklVbuLIkc38ZYji5QL3sWHKtHt9-Bto700My8pH7c

SH4 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc

Mount the ISOs of 2 & 3, and then run their installers like always.
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.
The "sh2proxy" fix works as a no-cd crack as well, and is included in the pack.

in case you experience issues saving the game / not being able to edit the disp.ini, make sure the files aren't set to "Read Only", and run the game as Administrator.

if SH2 gets stuck into a black screen during launch, close the application and restart it again.

Follow the SH PC Guide 2016 pic posted earlier to set them up good. Play in the release order.
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>>342085110
Don't forget
>Spyro and now Crash are in skylanders hell
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>>342057687
It's definitely the best western SH game.
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>medievil is dead

Fuck, apart of me is glad that it's dead, but another part of me would love if the same team got together to make Medievil 3.
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>>342085414
more
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>>342085261
Nah, shattered memories is ok story wise cause it didn't try to overwrite any previous games with hueletts shitty fanfics and is left as it's own spinoff. Origins is slightly less offensive cause it at least plays like silent hill. So it's between those on which is a better western take on the series.
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>>342085261
More like THE worst.
It's not only badly written and designed, it's also totally broken game. Hell, it doesn't even have Akira's music!
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>>342085753
Origins doesn't even make sense because there wouldn't even be an "otherworld" yet, Alessa only JUST got burned. It took 7 years to get like that, not overnight.
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>>342085110
Maybe if everyone pesters them enough like with crash they'll try something, same with medieval, parappa, ape escape, and twisted metal.
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I actually liked Downpour as well, I know combat is not a big part of Silent Hill but it felt great
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>>342086313
The overarching story in origins is trash, but at least Travis had personal issues that made sense. I didn't care much for the stomping over the lore but gameplay wise it plays like silent hill, so it at least got that one thing right where the rest didn't.
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Downpour had some good points, but overall it wasn't much. It seemed to fail to grasp the stuff that makes SH games good.
The story was a mess. That multiple choice past was a terrible idea.
The monster design was uninspired and didn't really fit into the themes of the game.
The otherworld chases became annoying and lacked meaning.

I was surprised to find that I did like the side-stories you can find in the town (perhaps because the main story wasn't interesting).
The one with the balloons was great.
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>>342086834
I'll give you that at least, it really did.
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>>342086484
I have no idea how anyone can claim that, as the game play was one of the biggest issues of DP. Probably the clunkiest controls in the series.

>>342086834
The personal shit of 0 was just as bad
, hamfisted SH2 clone.
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>>342087002
I don't know but the gameplay actually didn't bother me much
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>the big bad that Murphy did depends on how many monsters you kill and the choice at the end

Biggest mistake of Downpour.
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>>342057687

writing insults on a chinese cartoon image board doesnt make you right, anon.
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>>342087148
It bothered me to no end, especially when I kept throwing my weapin for the dozenth time, and when the game couldn't decide which camera system it wanted to use.

DP is also a prime example of the big problem with modern games: if you disable all those item shimmer and other hints, you won't be finishing the game without turning them back on or consulting a guide. No attempt was made to design important items, switches and rooms to be visually distinct and well placed.
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>>342087516
The music was nice, I guess?
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>>342087002
The most hamfisted clone was not pyramid head but with a cleaved edition. The stuff with his parents wasn't repressed guilt, or just fabricated like future characters ordeals. His mother was insane and tried to kill him and his dad necked himself right in front of him cause he couldn't take the pressure. Stuff like that made Travis a very fucked up person as it would anyone, not some imaginary scuffle in a shower or a stupid boat accident. Because Travis actually had 100% factual backstory that wouldn't change he's already better than Murphy and Alex, who might not even have any reason to be how they are depending on choices you make in the game.
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