>I actually like 30fps better
the human eye can't see more than 18 fps anyway
>>342039802
nobody says that
>>342039802
Speaking from my personal experience as someone who grew up on 30 fps games, it's not even a comparison that's possible to make.
They both offer such different experiences. 60 feels more like real-life, which is nice but I play video games to ESCAPE real life.
>>342040197
plenty of people say that
they go on about how fluid framerates look like soap operas
>>342039961
Then we wouldn't bother to have this discussion in the first place.
>>342040420
What are you 12? What videogames did you grow up playing?
>>342040420
>60 feels more like real-life, which is nice but I play video games to ESCAPE real life.
this might be the most retarded reasoning ive ever read on the subject
>>342040197
not much on /v/, but the sentiment exists, largely from sour grapes console/toasterfags
>>342040535
GTA 4 and Halo
>You feel more powerful when the screen and everything in it slows down when you do a powerful attack with a lot of effects that drops the framerate!
>>342039802
>muh placebo 0.0166 second better reaction time
60fps is obviously better but id rather play a good game at 30fps than a bad one at 60. PCucks seem to forget that all their hardware won't make a shit game not shit
>>342040932
As someone that games on PC I find it disgusting when some people boycott a genuinely good game because of 30 fps. Your argument goes the other way too, 30 fps doesn't turn a great game into garbage.
>>342040525
the human eye cant even see
>>342041115
>30 fps doesn't turn a great game into garbage.
>>342039802
30fps is fine.
>>342041115
Name a great game that's locked to 30 fps
There isn't one. That's why the argument that anon made would be nice if it actually applied to the real world
>>342040495
That's movies, it doesn't work like that for vidya
>>342041347
>Name a great game that's locked to 30 fps
>>342040197
you clearly haven't seen bloodborne and Uncharted threads. Especially outside of /v/
>>342040932
It's a good thing the only game I miss out on with good performance is Bloodborne, then. My PS4 doesn't have any other games.
>>342040197
They did at the start of this gen, you might just be a newfaggot
>>342041347
>Name a great game that's locked to 30 fps
>There isn't one.
are you retarded?
>>342039802
I can actually drink lemon juice without looking like that
>>342041319
I mean, yeah, it's fine for back then and when there wasn't another version, but for shit like Fighting Games anything post 2001 at 30 is an insult.
>>342039802
The difference is barely noticeable for me. I don't really give a fuck and I'm not a richfag.
>>342039802
>>342041537
ive never heard of that game anon
>>342040197
Kek
Just go on neogaf and ask this same question
>>342041347
All great 3D gen 5 games.
Consolefag here, if you play videogames, you don't think this. This meme comes from moviegoers that thought The Hobbit looked too "smooth"
Why are so many games frame rate locked, especially to low frame rates like 30 or 60? Honestly, having a high framerate game on a 144hz monitor feels amazing visually.
>>342041607
Today, definitely not. I always think historically when people say 30fps is garbage, which dismisses so many brilliant old games.
>>342041719
Because game devs can't into delta time
>>342041716
Jesus christ what is this faggotry
>>342041347
Undertale
:^)
Jokes aside I'm a huge framerate fag and if any game on my PC isn't at 60 I will play with the settings for hours until it is but I legitimately don't notice framerate problems in games like Undertale and Shovel Knight even though Undertale is locked at 30 and Shovel Knight might be too. 60 fps would make the Sans fight pretty impossible since he removes i-frames and every frame he touches you deals 1 damage and gives karma poisoning.
>>342041716
Games =/= Movies
That's why
>>342041441
>>342041659
Well I'm going to backpedal a bit because I wasn't thinking of Nintendo 64 games when saying that. I was thinking of current gen titles
>>342041716
when I watched the hobbit in double framerate, I noticed two things
>this looks weird
>I can now actually see what's on screen when the camera moves
I watched the first hobbit again in standard fps, and shit, there are literally several second segments of just blurred screen where nothing is displayed on screen. Like, what the hell.
>>342042094
Bloodborne
>>342041716
Above 24fps movies look like trash because they remove most/all of the motion blur, it looks artificial as fuck
>>342042145
Good is not the same thing as great, anon
And an action game dependant on reflexes and timing by definition cannot be great at an unstable 30fps.
>>342042094
the key is "name a single game that's locked in 30fps, that wouldn't be uplifted and improved by 60fps.
>>342040197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwxU2t6Tnnw
4:17
>>342042140
There are many reasons why the hobbit was "werid" at 48, one of them being that the movie was filmed at 48, true, but treated at 24. The "authentic" way of watching the movie is at 24 even though the original recording is at 48. I don't know what they were thinking.
60fps gives me motion sickness.
60fps is optimal but I can handle 30.
>>342042472
triggered
>>342042263
The blur only disguises the shitty cgi and bad camera work. Imagine watching cloverfield at 48 or 60fps. The movie would be total garbage (more than it already is) because there's nothing to see in that movie besides the blur caused by the shaking camera. Remove the blur and what do you get?
>>342042482
they intentionally fucked it up so dumb people will tell other dumb people that the 24fps is essential to the "cinematic" experience.
30 fps is the max that a human being can perceive among a stream without it blending in. We are physiologically intended to see only that far.
Anything else is subliminal. Junk noise to our mind.
That's why people more perceptive get headaches after 30 fps.
30 fps is fine. Not ideal but fine. Anything less or fluctuations are absolutely unacceptable.
>>342041142
The human eye can't even
>>342040197
>yfw reading "silky smooth 30fps" for the first time
>>342043191
literally this.
>>342042979
>That's why people more perceptive get headaches after 30 fps.
I know your post is trolling but this is legitimately true. If you get used to a low framerate all your life than you're going to feel weird when playing or wathching a video at 60. However, the other way is also true. Someone used to a smooth picture will feel nauseating when watching something at a low framerate. Try playing mirror's edge at 60 for a couple of hours. Now lock it at 30 and try doing all the crazy parkour. You're gonna vomit
>>342042832
Who
>>342043236
30fps can be "smooth" if the animation is on par. Look at the new ratchet and clank game
>>342042472
Fucking sonyfags
>>342042490
Literally impossible
Only low fov and low frame rates can cause motion sickness
>>342041874
locking means you are saving a fair number of computation per frame for every time based things, so it's a form of optimization. A poor one, but an easy to implement one.
>>342043191
The human eye can't
>>342044520
maybe all framerates give him motion sickness?
>>342044654
The human eye
>>342042764
yes what a clever deception to waste $250 million dollars to trick dumb people who dont even know what framrates are
>>342042472
What the fuck?
>>342040197
Have you ever been on youtube?
>>342045090
The human
>>342045090
The human!
>>342045127
no. the hobbit is the scapegoat.
think of all the money they save because they don't have to use expensive new cameras for ALL other movies.
>>342045090
The human.
>>342045282
The
It makes sense for movie type """"" games"""" since directors usually film at 24fps to give it that cinema look and feel. Have you ever tried watching oscar bait at 60fps? Only makes sense for action movies and the usual plebshit /v/edditors watch.
>>342045234
except they already film everything on incredibly expensive equipment for 3D
>Are there great games that run at 30fps or less?
Yes, plenty of games
>Would any of these games be better at a solid 60+fps?
Yes, almost every game with a few exceptions but those are silly things like parts of Kirby and the Rainbow Curse which had some objects run in a lower framerate to give it an intentional claymation feel
>>342040197
Wasn't there an article where a gaming journalist said 30fps felt more cinematic?
>>342045604
Please go
>>342045653
Please
I literally love how so many people just SUDDENLY know everything there is to know about neurology and brain function right when the conversations surrounding fps are brought up. Like christ can someone come up with a better argument than pretending to be knowledgeable about this shit?
>>342045521
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse is one of the best looking games this generation. Who cares about framerates?
>>342045779
Delete
>>342042140
it doesn't either help that everything in the hobbit movies looked terrible because of shit cgi so seeing things more clearly will obviously make the awful looking shit stand out more
>>342039802
>sonyggers face when
Depends on the title, obviously... but I totally agree. It just has a better feel for some styles.
For those styles you can pump the graphics quality way up, particularly the quality of things like motion blur. When done right, it looks just... MUWAHH perfect.
>>342045806
tfw the best looking game on the PS3 was Journey, a fucking indie downloadable title.
Step it up, big publishers!
>>342045806
It used framerate in a cool way to invoke the feel of the style it drew inspiration from. It was gorgeous and smart, and the game play itself ran super smooth, I was praising it
>>342046119
Yeah, I know. Just spreading love for a great (but short) game!
>>342045904
>I'm blind: the post
motion blur never looks good
ITT: autists that parrot totalasscancer
>>342046197
Is it actually good? I prefer shorter games, and I love Kirby, but I never picked it up because I didn't like the concept of the controls.
>>342046460
get butt cancer and die
>>342040197
i have irl friends that say this shit
and yes i know
>>342046460
ITT: autists that parrot
>>342045637
I mean it IS closer to 24 fps.
>>342040420
Underage confirmed. All 2d consoles are 60fps
>>342046251
Motion blur is what all lenses, your own eyes included see naturally.
>"I'm blind"
>memeing so hard that it literally makes you this stupid.
>>342039802
My friend bought Dark Souls on PC, and wanted to find a way to do 30 fps.
Eventually I told him how to play in 30 fps, but he didn't like it so he went back to 60.
But he said he preferred DaS2 in 30 than in 60.
>>34204631
>>342046813
People younger than the PS1 aren't necessarily underage.
>>342041347
wow, a retard
>>342046892
Motion blur in cameras has almost nothing to do with the lens. It's the exposure time---something that doesn't exist in games because virtual cameras don't have or need rolling shutter.
>>342046663
ITT: Autists that
>>342046501
It's short but sweet. It has a lot of collectables and no minigames.
>it's a twerking at 23.9 fps episode
I guess PCucks don't watch anime either because they're all at 24fps. PCucks confirmed for worthless normies.
>>342039802
They don't make enough of a difference for me to care tbqh
>>342047269
It's the same with your eyes. Wiggle your finger back and forth for the world's easiest experiment in optics. Wow!
Thing is, this needs to be added in simulations because what you're seeing isn't actually moving. It's a series of still images. The same way that a comic book artist would have to draw motion trails to mimic movement, they also have to be added to gaming to make it look more "real".
>>342039802
60fps+ gives everything an incredibly eerie hollow feeling.
>>342046813
That's bullshit though. Ranger X is one game off the top of my head on the Genesis that's capped at 30.
>>342048005
Yeah he's a retarded underage PCuck trying hard to fit in
>>342047827
>I'm:still blind, the post
You can make your eyes "refresh" faster if you watch fast stuff
how does it feel to be genetically inferior?
also lines placed to emphasize motion =/= motion blur
>>342047615
SmoothVideo Project
>>342048107
>you will never be this stupid
>>342047827
I'm aware that our brains create a kind of motion blur, but there also a lot of other odd anomalies like persistence of vision, blind spots, motion aftereffect---also not to mention our eyes see everything upside down and out brains flip the image for us.
I just don't see why games have to recreate the way we see things perfectly.
>>342048107
American education
>>342048285
What's this? A horse vagina mod for anime?
>>342048648
Runs anime at 60fps. I guess consolecucks are too retarded to google.
>>342047827
>>342048451
shake your head back and forth while looking at your finger or focus on it while it's moving fast
>wow my finger is blurry when I'm not following it
not a good reason to blur the entire screen. If the action on screen is too fast to follow it will be blurred on your eyes already without post processing
>>342048532
They don't have to at all. It's purely a stylization. Photorealism and post processing are things I'm personally a big fan of.
60 FPS can make shit look like it's running in Fast Forward sometimes. it's sort of funny. you'll be playing and suddenly you realize 60 effpeeessu is like GOTTA GO FAST! SANIC FAST! then you take it back down to 30 FPS and it feels like a pleasant, cantering stroll. i assume 122 FPS is like you're Quake rocket-launching yourself through the game as your default movement speed.
>>342048865
I can understand that. I guess my point is that when it's our eyes, it's a psychological---not a technical/optical effect as it is in modern cameras. Shutter speed replicates some of these effects.
I just think get a game working as fast as you can, and your eyes should carry out some of these effects anyways.
For fighting games, fast arcade racing games, twitch shooters, rhythm games, and fast action games, 60fps is best and should be mandatory, fortunately 99% of games in these categories are 60fps
I really could not care less and find it impossible to convince myself that 60fps actually matters for third person shooters, RPGs, adventure games, brawlers, turn based games, etc.
>>342048947
Your just not used to the more fluid animation.
>>342048947
144fps looks very natural, for lack of a better word. Like you're looking at an actual existing object in real time, in 3d space. I was playing Tomb Raider Underworld a couple months back at 120 constant and it's almost like you're watching a bunch of shiny puppets in real time or something. Not sure how else to explain this.
A noteworthy thing to mention through is that when refresh rates are that high, objects naturally create their own motion blur, just like a standard moving object would.
>>342048614
>>342048451
>I'm not up to date on the latest research
Prize fighters and race car drivers would like to have a word with you 2
I actually do, 60fps feels like somebody has sped up the footage. I was playing the new Doom game before and it was just awful to look at because of it.
>>342049669
Underage fag pls go
The original doom ran at 60fps
Average human reaction time to visual stimuli is about .25 seconds.
That's pretty slow; we react to audio stimuli much faster.
Fighting games run 60 because high-level play has people with much higher than average reaction speeds.
However, it's not a sin if a turn-based RPG is running 30; reaction time isn't a real factor and 30fps provides enough visual information to the player while keeping the motion fairly fluid.
You can certainly prefer 60fps in the rpg, but as for /needing/ it, that's not so.
I prefer 60fps myself, but I'm not going to say 30fps is a detriment to a game unless it's effecting gameplay in some way.
>>342049860
Never played the original games, am not underage at all I just never had any interest.
>>342041319
More than fine
>>342047481
>i still use gifs
>>342040671
>>342045193
The
>/v/ obsessed with 60fps
>most of the people here play on toasters
>There are people who can't differentiate between the way the human eye sees, movies/television images, and video games
The education system has failed us.
>>342048947
>double the frames means double the speed
This is why you shouldnt drop out of school to smoke weed and play video games
>>342050484
>i have a shitty PC
>therefore everyone has a shitty PC
I love the cuckchan memes
>>342042472
>1:55
please tell me that somebody edited the JUST haircut on him and that its not real
>>342050915
I never implied I had a shitty PC. Aren't you projecting a little bit, anon?
>>342041142
>>342050013
holy shit, watch the ridge on the right side, its a fucking slideshow
>>342048947
Higher FPS only makes the game faster if it's a poorly coded game that ties speed to framerate
>>342051063
>how does projection work
see
>>342050629
stay in school kid
>>342050484
This is true, that's why most people are consolecucks here and get salty at the mere mention PC gaming, they just have a craptop and a console.
>>342051176
That's not even me, that's completely unrelated.
>>342051063
You were projecting in your first post faggot.
>>342051294
I know its not you. Im telling you to read it.
STAY IN SCHOOL
dumb nigger
>>342039802
>Been playing on 15 for as long as I can remember.
>Finally optimized DS3 on my craptop
>Glorious 45 fps
>Literally crying.
>>342051502
Why would I want to read something I already know? I just commented in the obsession this board has over a simple milestone, because their have garbage machines.
Take your meds, anon.
Stupid white trash.
>>342051750
>calling others stupid
well at least you tried jamal
>>342040420
The gif demonstrates a better, more effective way to escape life.
>>342051682
I feel you, I used an Emachine all the way until 2011 and seeing those new games at 60fps made me cry
>>342039961
it's been proven time and time again, the human eye can't see more than 12 fps,
>>342042472
They were paid to say that for some reason, so at least it's not genuine.
XDD I POSTED SOMETHING AS FUNNY AS SLEEP TIGHT POOPER, UPVOTE AND LIKE MY COMMENT, PLEASE!
XDD I POSTED
SO FUNNY MEME
>>342051869
I'm not the one who started with the namecalling, bubba.
>>342052078
not him but you start out by being an annoying faggot which is much worse
>>342052078
yeah youre the dumb nigger that was projecting then got called out on it and still thinks he is right.
Youre just a stupid cunt. Thats all there is too it. Im just here laughing at how stupid you are
>>342052212
I'm an annoying faggot because I pointed out something that's true?
/v/'s userbase belongs in the lowest tiers. Often unemployed or underage, so they have budget machines, often terrible at videogames, even though they shitpost about them 24/7.
I'm talking from experience, people here are fucking terrible and just spout meme opinions in an attempt to look knowledgeable.
>>342047319
ITT: autists
>>342052632
>he cant help himself
>>342052078
you're black which is much much worse
>>342052809
hurts doesn't it? this is the only way you can defend yourself
>>342052869
i'm not even black, anon. lay off /pol/, billy bob, don't forget to pick your disability check you inbred autist literal motherfucker.
>>342053179
>you cant defend from my projections
enjoy your childhood son
>>342053179
>A-AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!
try again
>>342053351
Oh I already did, anon, thank you very much. You're the one who needs all the luck, baby. It's gonna be a rough 6 years for you, Jimmy. Maybe you can get a part time in a couple of years and afford something respectable.
>>342052801
ITT:
>>342053641
I never said I was a foreigner, that's all on you, anon.
>>342053728
ITT
>>342042341
I had a great time playing dark souls 1 on ps3 which was way less stable. Hiccups in frame rate might fuck you over once every 10 hours, if it's any more you really just need to git gud. In any case it's not nearly a big enough to problem to make or break a games entertainment value.
>>342041607
Why are Asians missing part of their chins?
>>342048648
>>342048285
>>342048741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLokBjwk9Os
Its pretty cool honestly
>>342053928
and you're the one who discretely implied americanism
>>342041319
>>342050013
Sure, it's fine. But it'd look better at 60.
30fps works for some games.
Admittedly, I'm a poorfag who settled on a GTX950 so I play Witcher 3 on high settings locked at 30fps because it fluctuating at 40-50fps was really jarring to play.
The gameplay in Witcher 3 is slow enough that it doesn't matter. The game plays smoothly enough on 30fps.
>>342055139
Can't a fellow American be disgusted at Americanism?
I can see the difference between 30 and 60fps but it's so irrelevant that I don't understand why people bicked about it
Some people actually base their purchases around specs and frames per second. Fucking wew lads. Why should I care as long as it doesn't dip below 30?
>>342054397
Because the guy got crazy with the brush.
>>342053667
Literally first day here? Welcome freshfag
>>342048285
>>342054425
As much as I love native 60+fps, SVP is fucking trash.
Any motion interpolation sucks and SVP specifically adds a ton of artifacts.
>>342058060
>would rather go on the kiddy rides than the roller coasters
>>342058060
We don't deserve this planet.
>>342039802
>>342058917
This disgusts me on so many levels.
