Why is Wayforward so based? Why can't more western devs be like them?
>>342024832
Is Shantae the only game this guys make?
>>342025045
nope they made mighty switch force too
>>342024832
Because the vast majority of western gamers would rather play stuff like Call of Duty and its clones, and colorful, "girly" games like Shantae would make every company go broke because the dudebro west doesn't want to play them
>>342025045
This and Mighty Switch Force are their big original IPs.
The rest of the time they pay the bills with licensed stuff, like TMNT and Transformers.
What did they mean by this?
>>342026005
BEEG
>>342026061
AQUARIAN
>>342026151
TEETIES
I'm hyped as fuck for 1/2 Genie Hero.
>>342026005
The struggles of maritime life animals against the destructive nature of man.
>>342024832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr_dtRgC144
>800.000$
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YngbHOz--oc
>FOUR MILLION DOLLARS
Why is xseed so awesome?
So is this a porn game or not? If not, what's the appeal?
>>342024832
their games suck though, people only like it for the boobies and cute girls
>>342027245
THICC
>>342028785
Lemme guess, you only played the second one?
>>342024832
Their founder seems like he's a little crazy, and nowhere near as focused on making a lot of money as most people gambling their wealth on vidya.
Even then they've taken their fair of shameless work to keep the lights on.
>>342028631
They don't butcher their games' localizations as much as other localization teams.
>>342028785
Don't tell people about the sweet tiddies in Contra 4.
>>342029431
I will, all their games are pandering trash
>>342030115
Delete this.
>>342030335
Never it's time for people to see Contra 4 for the waifufag shit it's always been
>>342030115
What's wrong with that, mr. Tumblr?
>>342030606
A complimentary lewd Shantae costume key has been e-mailed to you.
>>342024832
Wayforward is a shitty dev that has made a thousand blundersexception: pirate curseand /v/ only like their games for the 2D tits, prove me wrong
>>342031116
pretty much agree, Mighty Switch Force was super lame too
>>342031116
They're not shitty but they're not great either. A lot of their more recent games are perfectly enjoyable if you're into the style even though they aren't exactly great. Hell even some licensed shit is more enjoyable than it has any right to be, like the DS Thor game. Contra 4 is the only great game they made. If only Double Dragon Neon was half as good of a throwback.
>>342031116
Pirate Curse was REALLY good though.
And I also liked MSF2.
>>342024832
shantae is designed by a female, so people will think twice before bitching about her being and doing this and that
>>342026005
Can't wait can't wait
>>342029045
What is even happening in those 3 cut frames?
>>342032367
Giant, fuzzy purple dick.
>>342031708
>Pirate Curse was REALLY good though.
50% of the game time consists of backtracking to do some boring fetch quest, it gets really absurd near the end where it asks you to track down every last pirate demon in the game. Yet while having this incredibly tedious stuff the game does not feature enough navigtion short cuts.
The bosses are a joke. If you drink a mega monster milk, use a super spike ball than you can knock off all their health in one combo. The enemies themself pose no challenge. There are check points every 5th room and the biggest fucking challenge are the puzzles, which should not stump you for more than 30 seconds.
The metroidvania stuff feels tacked on as there is very little to explore and around 75% of the collectables are mandatory to complete the game.
The game is designed poorly. The backdash is fucking usless in Pirate's curse. The pistol deals so little damage it's only good for the enemies that already have 1 hp. The down thrust and 400 coin kick attack do not do enough damage to matter compared to just upgrading the basic attack. You've essntially got 1 attack for the entire game, no alternative weapons, no real resources to manage, no special moves worth using except as travel powers.
Was this your first platformer or something?
>>342030115
You understand Sheena was sexualized well before they came along, right?
>>342026005
>>342032367
I want to run my hand over her soft, scaly, slimy midriff
>>342032851
I'm merely pretending
>>342032641
Character art with typical "tied together by the red string of fate" japanese bullshit
>>342033335
And this was deemed too lewd for western audiences or something?
>>342026005
>>342032367
>>342032751
Feels like the game would have been better off if they gave you all the powers you unlock and designed linear stages around said powers. Once you get the boots and hat it feels like the game's about to truly begin and throw some good challenges at you but it just ends.
>>342033335
could you even be more american?
>>342031116
>implying xtreme sportz isn't the greatest fucking game of all time
>>342031907
That doesn't stop people from bitching about Bayonetta.
>>342033507
>Mermaid queen's hair actually has a wet sheen to it
Cool detail.
Western devs want to make "art" and modern art can't be pretty or appealing.
you all faggots know the only reason why the game got praised is the LOLIS
without lolis i bet you pedo morons wont even give a shit about it
>>342034779
Jason please go back to shilling suikoden some more.
>>342031907
matt bozon is not female
>>342025045
Nope
Shantae series
Mighty Switch Force series
Mighty Flip Champs
Ducktales Remastered
Double Dragon Neon
LIT
Plus many others I can't remember at the top of my head.
>>342033523
The thing is that locking away abilities in a metroid like game is supposed to create a sense of adventure where you are constantly rediscovering old areas and finding new things about them. Shante doesn't do this. You get a new ability, check the map to see which island has an undisocvered item, retrace your steps and go to the big red block, destroy it and it's done. It never feels like anything is hidden or discovered. Contrast that with a Metroid game where everything is hidden and you are constnatly discovering new paths to traverse between old zones, this makes revisists feel like discovery rather than a choir. Because you are trained to look out for fake walls, hidden paths, etc. You feel that every new screen you scroll has hidden potential even if you've walked over it 3 times before. Or in a Zelda game dungeons can be tackled in different orders, you may even leave a dungeon after getting the special item: skipping the boss and half the place. Only once you get to the very last stage does the game tell you that you need the sacred object each boss has.
Shante's level design isn't good enough to do this and they don't have enough content to make a big world to explore. You can tell this by how much they need to pad the game out to make it so it doesn't end in 2 hours, which is about what it would be without the fetch quests.
I think making the game a series of linear levels would be better in theory but if you look at the history of sidescrollers the West has never been good at level design. Contra, Metal Slug, Metroid, Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Mario, Ghosts and Goblins, Megman: all the good level design is from the East.
The strength of Shante is it's Spritework, it's good enough to take a sub-mediocre game and make it into a decent gaming experience. If the sprite work was worst I don't think the games would sell well.
In terms of superior level design & combat: Pharo Rebirth+ and Reveria under the moonlight are better.
>>342035338
>In terms of superior level design & combat: Pharo Rebirth+ and Reveria under the moonlight are better.
I'm going to have to give those games a try.
Thanks, anon.
>>342034480
modern art is a vehicle for tax avoidance
there's no way to use the original copy of a shitty game as a casino token
>>342035338
The best level design does come from the east but I don't think it's fair to completely dismiss western game level design since it isn't the 90's anymore. Games like Volgarr The Viking, Freedom Planet, Cloudbuilt and Shovel Knight demonstrate that the west is perfectly capable of making good levels. Hell, Wayforward themselves did a pretty good job with Contra's level design and although that game is much more simple mechanically it still shows that they can create challenging, tight levels if they want to.
Also
>Pharo Rebirth+
Nice, haven't heard of this one.
>>342024832
>Why can't more western devs be like them?
Make games that depend entirely on fan service to hide the mediocre gameplay?
>>342036662
yes, as opposed to hiding your mediocre gameplay behind movies and brand names
>>342035276
>Shantae series
GBC/RR sucked, didn't try the rest.
>Mighty Switch Force series
Never tried it
>Mighty Flip Champs
Never heard of it.
>Ducktales Remastered
It's okay, I like it.
>Double Dragon Neon
Awful mechanics, cringey humor, disgusting graphics especially for a developer that's revered for it's 2D pixel art. What the fuck were they thinking.
>LIT
Actually great, theme of the game and the moody atmosphere was really cool. These guys are so hit and miss with me. I want to like them but I just can't commit. That Aliens game on the DS they made also blew ass.
No spanking scene no buy.
>>342035838
Have fun with them. Just a heads up that if you are not good at platformers Reveria's hard mode is going to wake you up, your health is like classic games where it's only about 4 hits or so to live.
Also if you havn't played them Super Metroid and it's sequals and the Iga-vanias are manditory playing, they are still the gold for the genre. Metroid, especially Super Metroid does exploration and atmisphere better than anything, you genuinally feel like you are lost on an alien planet. Igavanias are the gold standard for combat with later games in the series having an absurd 100+ different spells and 10+ different families of weapons to play with in addition to the usual toybox of movement powers and gimmicks.
In terms of linear level design, that award always goes to linear platformers, by design linear games are just better paced and can impose much greater challenges: like Rondo of Blood, Mega Man X, Super Ghosts and Goblins, Ninja Giadne 3, Super Contra, Contra Hardcorps, and Hardcorps Uprising are some of the best.
>>342028249
So...does she have purple pubes?
>>342024832
im crying, not kidding that part is beautiful
>>342037227
Spanky Joe lives on in our hearts. The moral I'm getting at is the spanking was inside you all along.
>>342037482
Oh, I've played all the games you mentioned in this post, anon. I just don't really follow indie stuff.
Have you been watching that Super Metroid hack? The one that blends Metroid Fusion into it? I think it's supposed to come out this year. There was a /v/ thread for it a couple months ago but I forgot its name.
>>342032641
Girl is in the air tied seductively by red strings of fate.
>>342037482
>Super Contra, Contra Hardcorps
>Best level design
Literally straight lines to the next boss fight
>>342037494
>implying she's not clean shaven 24/7
That girl gives her hair all kinds of attention.
>>342033507
Looks like Shantae is trying to free her by attacking the shackle's locks, but why is the mermaid queen attacking her still?
Not that muh dik cares, it's happy either way but my curiosity requires context.
Should I pirate HGH on PC or Wii U?
![tumblr_o8xf7mE8OU1ubdtp5o1_1280[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0MSXadp.png "tumblr_o8xf7mE8OU1ubdtp5o1_1280[1].png")
>>342038148
She's mad as fuck
>>342038148
Typical cornered animal response. Doesn't matter if you want to help them.
>>342037058
>GBC/RR sucked, didn't try the rest.
Play Pirate's Curse. Best one in the series so far.
>>342024832
no idea, but if i was making games, DD would be the A cup for heroines
>>342039064
I'll probably jump on this one when the steam sale hits. Damn, are the levels usually that large? Fantastic.
>>342039317
What levels?
Why doesn't Wayforward just take a step forward and just make porn?
>>342039467
Is that the entire world map? That seems a little on the small side in that case. Whatever, I'm still interested.
>>342039317
>levels
that's the entire map
br shill is a weeb
>>342039597
>Is that the entire world map?
Yes
>>342033507
>>342032367
I hope she turns out a helping character, imagine you riding her as a thanks for breaking the chainson a second thought, that sounded wrong
>>342039468
I seriously doubt 2D porn has a huge market in the west. I don't think the doujin games make respectable amounts of money in Japan.
>>342039597
It's a fun game, and I recommend it, but the poster that pretends that it's some high mark in level design or combat mechanics is a scrub.
>>342036539
>Wayforward themselves did a pretty good job with Contra's level design
You mean the game that just copy pasted old contra levels? The only new mechanic being a fucking gimmick hook that slows down pacing? Level designed fucked up by having enemies literally hidden in the cracks between the screen?
Pathetic. Take a look at Hard Corps uprising to see how real Contra games are made: that one is actualyl one of the most mechanically complex platformers ever made.
>Games like Volgarr The Viking, Freedom Planet, Cloudbuilt and Shovel Knight demonstrate that the west is perfectly capable of making good levels.
More like they demonstrate that they are still a joke. You didn't name a single good game. Do you honestly think that austetistic digging in Shovel Knight constitutes "good level design?" Have you never in your life played a platformer with decent passing? All of those games are just piles of mechanics, environments, and ideas that had been hundreds of times before, often mechanically better and with better looking aestetics.
I'll make this blunt, unless you have played all the classics from the past, the good A+ games you would have no reason to bother with something like Freedom Planet, which is the best of the games you mentioned and something even I who HAS played every platformer known to man didn't bother with for more than an hour.
>>342039774
>on a second thought
As if anyone doesn't want to imagine it anymore.
>No mention of Wayforward making the godly Contra 4 on DS
So fucking good.
>>342040321
>no mention of Wayforward making Aliens Infestation
Full Cat Girl Without Salad WHEN
>>342039774
It can't be wrong when she doesn't have the other kind of equipment needed for that kind of riding.
>>342037862
I never play hacks.
> I just don't really follow indie stuff.
"Indie" is all garbage. The West can't make platformers. What I do is this. I go on steam every once in a while and check for platformers with japanese audio. If you do this you will find that the list of games steam shows is much better. You will either Jap goods, which are much better, or high budget Western games that could afford a translation job as opposed to the normal turds that show up when you search for platformers.
There might be one or two decent platformers without Japanese audio but I am not going to shift through 300+ turds of indie crap to find them.
>>342038009
Level design has to do with enemy and terrain placement. Hard corps is a rush of excitment where you are constantly zigging and zagging through enemies specifically designed to inflict maximum challenge.
In contrast something like igavania's just have enemies randomly placed in a maze and you can easily kill most of them before they get off an attack with the right weapon, or if they do get off an attack you press the backdash. The only good level design in those games are the bosses. Igavanias are toybox games, the fun is playing with the billion different attacks, the actual level design is mediocre and sometimes outright dull.
>>342040008
>muh western developers are shit meme
Go back to /a/, faggot. Im sure that you are a an Asukafag.
>>342038148
It's Techno Baron's fault.
>>342040724
>I never play hacks.
you sound more and more like a faggot
>muh nipponese leveru design folded over 1000 times
>>342040008
>You mean the game that just copy pasted old contra levels?
Only visually, the levels are made from the ground up with some references here and there. The dual screen gimmick actually did add some depth to the navigation, for instance the city level actually has several routes of varying speeds/difficulties and having that "soft" punishment for falling down is nice. Wish I could comment on Hard Corps Uprising but I can't play it unfortunately. All I know is that compared to the Contra games I did play (1/Super C (both console and arcade), 3, Hard Corps, Shattered Soldier and Rebirth) it has very solid design. Especially compared to 3, Hard Corps and SS which are just shitty boss rushes.
>Do you honestly think that austetistic digging in Shovel Knight constitutes "good level design?"
Shovel Knight isn't even close to being the best game on my list, but its level design is consistently entertaining because of how many gimmicks it goes through, and there is some nice depth if you want to speedrun the game with the various shortcuts you can take. Volgarr The Viking and Cloudbuilt both have far better level design than Shovel Knight and FP. And while Volgarr is generic (although still better than its closest comparison, Super GnG which completely underutilizes its double jump and somehow has worse platforming than its predecessors while also being sparse as fuck and having autoscroller segments), Cloudbuilt is entirely unique. There are no games like it japanese or western. It manages to transition precision platforming into full 3D while also making it all flow incredibly well in the process.
Also I've played every single game you've mentioned with the exception of Contra Hard Corps. Hell, chances are I did it more than you did.
>>342040724
> Hard corps is a rush of excitment where you are constantly zigging and zagging through enemies specifically designed to inflict maximum challenge.
What maximum challenge? The actual levels, you know, the things in between boss fights, are not challenging in the slightest. Nor are they engaging, the game just throws enemies from both sides of the screen with practically no real platforming, obstacles or thought to speak of. Which is fine since that's not what the game's focus is, but bringing it up as some kind of example of great level design is dishonest.
Oh, I found the info I wanted
The Super Metroid hack thing is called X-Fusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9Yw-dm20g&list=PLZS_o9tqWHmJHGmuQRRkfiqhgZIApfLXM
>>342040850
Don't send your garbage to /a/.
Send actual wapanese trash to /jp/.
>>342041470
yeah, that looks dope. Like the hack that remade Zero mission in super metroid. But this seems to have even better bosses.
>>342032367
>Setz
No thank you.
>>342041349
I guess it's a matter of sementics whether you want to say that enemy placement is level design or combat.
I think it's level design because the enemies are contained within the level, while combat refers to the abilities the player has.
Even ignoring this there is a lot of stuff in terms of level interaction in Hard Corps: You can climb walls, run up them , hang on wires. There is platforming in it, it's just mixed in with the combat, you jump around all the time to travel or avoid damage.
Contra is both a run n gun and a platformer
>>342041681
Yeah well, I think they have a charming style.
>>342041521
Fuck you, buddy.
>>342035276
They also handled Contra 4
>>342040850
Name what you think is one of the bestwestern platformer on each of these platformers
Arcade
NES
SNES
SMS
Genesis
n64
ps1
ps2
gc
3 games from modern consoles
PC (name 3)
Do not just name something barely mediocre like Freedom Planet, name something that can compete with the best of the Japanese titles. For instance a platformer on modern consoles would have to compare to Hard Carps Uprising.
>>342041863
Yeah I almost forgot WF made Contra 4. Excellent game.
>>342041709
Well if you're talking about the midboss/boss design and the game's mechanics then yeah, it's all really well made. That's not what people mean when they say level design though, especially in a game like this which does have those distinct classic Contra-style segments between the boss fight set pieces which compared to the Contra games before it are very empty and uninteresting.
>>342041994
Dustforce, Cloudbuilt, Bionic Commando Rearmed:^)
>>342042448
don't bother, he's going to say
>they're shit, you gaijin piggu
>>342041994
Yeah Im gonna name you a bunch of games so you can just aspergsay "Those games are not good because their level designs are bad"
>>342042448
>Bionic Commando Rearmed
I'm overdue to replay this. Such a good game.
>>342024832
>I only like western devs if they pander to my disgusting weeby tastes
Their only good game was Contra 4.
Everything else is shallow trash only praised for the cute girls and Kaufman's music, the latter being way too good for the mediocre platforming it accompanies.
Besides being an indie game, which means it's trash, Pharaoh Rebirth+ does not have full Japanese audio.
I think we can safely dismiss this trash from consideration.
>>342041994
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and Rayman Origins are probably my favorite 2D platformers of the past decade and neither came out of Japan.
>>342043203
I liked their take on a Boy and His Blob, as well as LIT and Batman Brave and the Bold. They're hit & miss, I agree on that.
>>342042629
>Yeah Im gonna name you a bunch of games
Do it.
I seriously doubt anyone can even remember the name of most Western platformers from those previous consoles. What does it say about the game's quality if they are not worth remembering?
>>342042558
The worst is that I don't even disagree with him overall it's just that he's being needlessly hyperbolic while dismissing the very few genuinely good western platformers
>>342043392
They are not bad. The graphic work in them was very good and there were no outstanding problems. The main problem was that the games were piss easy, you essentially had unlimited lives and check points were really close togeather. The levels seemed to spend half the time just throwing free shit at you rather than providing some sort of challenge. It also didnt help that a lot of the crap they through at you is not even real power ups but some collectable that does nothing when you get it. In other words they were casual games but at least they were well done and had very pretty graphics. That's really not saying that they encroach on the Jap's terriority of making good platformers.
and You have not met my challenge. I wanted a good western platformer made for every major system.
Remember when Shantae threads were nice? It was when we didn't have them daily, actually talked about the games, and didn't just dump lewd pics, pat each other on the back and say "gee Half Genie Hero looks good"
Do not sexualize the Shantae.
>>342027245
It looks less like mermaids and more like big lipped guppies trying to eat those girls.
>>342044989
That'sexactly what it is
>>342044989
Because what you described is closer to the truth. It's a fake mermaid factory attaching fish to girls.
>>342044564
no
remember when you fucked off instead of concern trolling threads?
>>342045374
That makes it even hotter.
>>342044564
I can't say I remember this.
Are you think of a textboard?
>>342047241
o-oh jeeeez!
>>342038289
May as well go PC for higher resolution options. I doubt the Wii U version will have features that make it worth playing over PC if you have both available.
>>342043346
Never heard of this game before. I'm guessing it's another metroid type game worth looking into?
lab zero is ok
>>342049682
Except Mike Z, he'll kill the lewd with his stupidity.
