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WoW...really makes you think...
>"It is something of a triumph for a company where, Singleton claims, “piracy has been a huge problem for many, many years.” The problem has been further exacerbated, Singleton says, by P2P networks, which make it far easier for people to share cracked games. “Right now Denuvo is one step ahead,” says Singleton. “It's the culmination of years of dedication and experience from the team problem solving one of our biggest problems.”
>“The PC is still seen as a piracy platform by most publishers,” says Goebl. “Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games, but these numbers are always hard to verify. Regardless, piracy cannibalizes sales, not only on PC but also on console if a pirated PC version is shared illegally. Many of our clients have indicated that the absence of a cracked PC version on the day of a game’s launch makes the platform more viable.”
Denuvo has helped PC game sales.
Prove me wrong.
>>342016510
I don't even care if denuvo actually helps sales or not, I just like hearing pirates bitch about it
>>342016510
The are literally blaming piracy for all evils in the world lmao
>>342016510
Get ready for a barrage of posts with typical piratefag excuses and the occasional claim that piracy actually HELPS sales somehow kek
>>342016510
Libera me?
>>342016807
You are the one making the claim. Prove yourself right.
Pirates like to stick their head in the ground and pretend the shitty state of the gaming industry isn't related to their actions. Generic phone app games aimed at the working office crowd with disposable income, toy and gimmick games for autistic collectors and children who have access to mom, dudebro Mountain Dew fueled shooters and series that keep stacking sequels on, DLC and preorder bonuses with Season's Passes. It all stems from pirates not buying anything, and inflated companies shifting to audiences that will.
Stopping piracy won't instantly fix things, but it's a start.
Denovu games sales are worse than no denuvo kek
>>342016807
>Burden of proof
>>342017562
true
>>342016510
>mfw i only buy games from GOG
>mfw i am anti DRM and Denuvo games have lost me as a consumer from the start
Great thread OP and more power to GOG!
>when the lil' poorcuckies get all rump rustled about Denuvo
piracy actually helps sales somehow
>>342016510
>really makes you think
yeah makes me think
makes me think who swallows that bullshit
97 PERCENT
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>>342019649
But i already get my games DRM free on Steam :^)
>>342019943
m-m-muh word of mouth, muthafucka
>>342016510
>pc sales still holding the same as they have been
>tomb raider
>where the crack?
>just cause 3
>is there a crack yet
>total warhammer
>the crack is coming right guys??
Lmao
Also Some people bought the games because no crack, how is this a bad thing again?
i hate capitalism
>>342020324
i'd be curious to see if sales gained even offsets the cost of using denuvo in the first place
>>342020324
>Also Some people bought the games because no crack, how is this a bad thing again?
We won't know until some time passes.
Same as we can't know how popular those franchises would be without piracy.
>>342020562
Pretty damn hard to measure, I'd imagine.
>>342020546
>I hate the only reason video games exist at all
>I hate the only reason the Western world has the highest living standards on earth
t. first year college student
>>342020324
The people who only pay after they play are not buying the games.So nothing really has changed.
Well except that they had to pay extra for the DRM.Soooo they might even be loosing money from the application of DRM.
Look at GOG for example.They are cutting the costs of implementing and licensing DRM and they are still selling games.
And so ends the great Age of Piracy.
I love it.
>>342020775
>I hate the only reason video games exist at all
Mate I get your point but I think you should analyze how fucking retarded this line you wrote is.
>>342020324
I passed on all denuvo games except warhammer, which i was going to buy either way, even if its a total shitheap of a game, because fuck me and my warhammer addiction.
>>342016510
I don't really care if those numbers are true.
Seeing piratefags crying is more satisfying than anything else. Here's hoping Denuvo will be somewhat implemented on consoles too.
>>342016510
In early June, someone posed as an indie developer and contacted Denuvo sales asking for a price quote to protect a game. The sales rep came back with ~$100k, which is an absolutely trivial amount of money for any publisher.
>>342020763
We won't ever know for an individual game. The best you can get is a guesstimate which is why every publisher relies on the gut feeling that there's so much piracy that any anti-piracy tool pays for itself.
However, from a bunch of articles I've read over the years my understanding is that statistically piracy doesn't appear to have much of an effect on anything and may even improve popularity due to word of mouth advertisement. Research also suggests that pirates as a group spend more on media than any other group.
>>342021279
>$100k
You understand that for those money you can probably make an indie game and sell it right?
>>342021279
>100k
>trivial
Yea, for AAA companies maybe, but for indies that shit is pretty much how much they put into the game.
>>342021221
>Denuvo will be somewhat implemented on consoles too.
What would be the point of that
there has never been a good game with denuvo attached
it's literally a scam to trick players into buying crappy products by restricting information about the product (obviously if more people have a product, information will flow more freely, can't have that)
>>342021041
total warhammer is fun desu
Just needs some tweaks and more stuff
The new sherlock holmes uses denuvo. A literally who game from a literally who dev. Piracy is fucked unless this gets cracked.
>>342021692
Translation: I can't play it for free, so it must suck! Wah, wah!
Doom was great.
name a single good game with denuvo. the only thing that happened is that I can longer try the latest shit AAA releases myself and spend my time playing something I actually enjoy
>>342021692
In this day and age you can't restrict anything because its up on YouTube. There is no excuse for piracy anymore
NINETY
FUCKING
SEVEN
PERCENT PIRACY RATE
THINK OF ALL THAT LOST MONEY
SKYRIM SOLD BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
THAT'S ONLY 3% OF THE MONEY THEY COULD HAVE MADE IF THOSE FUCKING BRAZILIANS AND RUSSIANS DIDN'T PIRATE THEIR GAMES
>>342021448
>>342021563
That's why he said "for any publisher".
>>342022037
whoa... really makes you think, huh?
>>342021618
To fuck console piratefags in the ass.
>>342021692
Doom and Warhammer are both great though.
Doesn't matter what I say though, you'll just claim they're shit.
>people are actually defending drm on /v/
What have we become
>>342020816
GOG are also ran by pollock for potatoes and vodkas. And it claim to fame is "we dont drm, guise" . Anybody who attempt to make his own gog will bankrupct in a month.
game sales have been the same or slightly lower since everything is now denuvo and the best selling titles have no drm.
HURDUR PIRACY IS EVIL.
>>342022037
Sorry you can't afford a third Jacuzzi Todd
>>342022130
console piracy only happens when its pirated on the PC first
>>342021985
NuDoom.
>piracy
the solution to piracy is, and always will be, providing a better service for the users so that it's easier and more convenient for them to buy games than to pirate.
for me, digital distribution helped a lot with games, rather than pirate something I can just buy it on the steam sale.
same with music, I can just use spotify, much easier
tv/movies are almost there, but there's far too many fragmented services out there, though netflix seem to have the right idea
>>342022230
Wow, I can pirate Mario 3DS and Bloodborne on PC?
Have you noticed that Denuvo protected games never get any buzz on the Internet?
>just cause 3
>mirrors edge 2
>doom
>tomb raider
All games that came and went. Just cause 2 has a community to this day, people were asking for a new mirrors edge for years, and now I never hear anyone talking about these games.
I think pirates do a lot of viral marketing for games.
>>342018537
Underrated post
>>342020271
Sauce for that loli?
>>342022235
I hear a lot of buzzwords about it, and people who like other modern releases praising it, but not much about how its good
>>342021692
>restricting information about the product
review
user review
twitch
jewtube
online forums
...
we dont lack information. we are saturated by it. unless you want to know about your weebshit or indie #2343420 nobody plays.
>>342022437
underrated samefag
>>342022481
If a game is good theres nothing much to talk about. "Doom was fun, huh?" "Yup. I agree". And then you move on.
>80-97%
>but we have no proof, trust us goyim
That's why denuvo games are such massive successes right?
Herr Goebl?
>>342021985
Doom,total warhammer,mgs v
>piracy is wrong but not having game demos is fine
they won't let people try their game because they know it's shit
if they know it's shit, why the fuck would i buy it
>>342022585
they forgot to add a nigger and a mary sue into the game.
get it into your memo, todd
>>342016510
I still hate it because it means that one day the game will never be playable again
I don't pirate but I like that cracks exist to preserve games
>>342022676
There is a demo for Doom and Steam refunds exist.
>>342022793
pretty sure that demo ended already. its like 15 minutes anyways
Piratekeks on suicide watch.
>>342022676
Read many different reviews.
Look at gameplay videos.
There, you now have an idea of how the game is.
>>342022417
Piracy is an litmus test for games.
Good games immediately come up and the pirates start raving. Some people just get the crack, but a bunch of people who didn't even know the game existed go and grab it from the advice of frankly the least biased source on the internet: They don't pay for it, they aren't paid for it; They're perfectly unbiased reviewers.
Bad games get called out and they start shitposting about them. Funnily, this probably helps their sales a bit too because of the Barbra Streisand effect. Weekly figures nose-dive however, because of the massive negative press.
Denuvo is an impressive tool and works exactly as intended: Pity the real way to combat piracy is to polish a game and make it worth the asking price in the first place.
>>342023016
that's like saying riding in a car let's you know what it feels like to drive it
>>342022676
>having game demos
did you demofags see any press demos in your entire life?
They can give you exactly that. And the rest of the game can still be turd.
>>342022767
DRM isn't designed (or sufficiently well made) to be uncrackable, in the case of something like denuvo it's designed to be as tedious and timeconsuming as possible to crack, making sure that the first few weeks or months of a game's lifespan, where it makes the most money, doesn't have a pirated copy around the place. If there's sufficient desire for it they will get cracked eventually.
>>342023109
There are reviews and videos about cars too, you know. Not all car stores let you try a car either.
>>342022316
Spotfy is the cancer that's killing the music industry and are always trying to jew out musicians. At least with a paid services like prime musicians earn more
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/83146/homefront-the-revolution/
>Global Total as of 21st May 2016 (units): 0.05m
>>342018012
>>342018743
More and more AAA game releases start to use it. Surely publishers are wrong and you are right.
>>342016510
And yet the games that have denuvo didnt have the supposed x33 times sales increase. In fact the only game that had denuvo and sold well was total warhammer. I game that I believe would sell great piracy or not.
Still though its great that denuvo exists, now jews will blame used game sales and IRL game sharing for their shitty sales.
>>342023302
musicians make most of their money from live performances.
>80%-97%
Lolno
Irrespective of where you lie on this issue, it's 100% bullshit.
>>342023016
>reading shills and watching pewdiepie retards shriek while playing a game is the same as playing a game
>>342016807
Every denuvo game that isn't an online game has tanked. Checkmate.
>>342023416
Because of free streaming services like spotfy giving only a quarter of a penny to the artist
I feel bad for the person who hired these schmucks thinking they had any ounce of knowledge of PC gaming if they think Denuvo will stay uncracked forever.
I don't even pirate my games, but damn these people talk as if they made a bulletproof program.
>>342023321
>Shit game has shit sales
Wew. It's not like Denuvo can make a game magically good.
>>342023337
>the games that have denuvo didnt have the supposed x33 times sales increase
because the one who pirate games are 3rd world kid. and there are more kids and people in the 3rd world than where you can afford a full priced video game.
regardless of quality, the sale of those games: good or bad, will be worse without denuvo.
>>342016807
Every single Denuvo game has sold less or the smae than its previous version
>>342023471
MGS V.
>inb4 hurr durr online
Came out months later
>>342023541
no
musicians have always made their money from live performances
>>342023335
So your only argument is that you trust AAA companies not to make retarded decisions? Wew
>>342023589
Total war warhammer was CA's fastest selling total war game
>>342023624
Tanked.
>>342023456
That's why I sad "many". Reading many different opinions help you make your own opinion. And let's play=/=gameplay video.
Sorry piratefag.
>>342016510
>Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games
bunch of bullshit this means if a game sold only 1,000,000 copies that it really sold something like 10 million copies if not for piracy which is total bullshit
>>342023763
Closer to 100m.
>>342023632
I don't see how handling piracy is a retarded decision, they literally don't lose anything from it, except some amount of money on DRM license they would pay regardless
>>342022473
why would she want sauce for her corm?
>>342023541
I bought all of Taylor Swift's albums for less than $50 but seeing her live once was $200 and then another $100 on merchandise at the concert
they have always made the majority of their money off of concerts. How is Spotify any different than the radio which has been around since forever?
There are already games with denuvo that are available for pirates. To be fair,those have not actually cracked the DRM,just bypassed them.
>>342023691
it was also the first total war warhammer game so there's nothing to compare it to
>>342023974
>I bought Taylor Swift's albums
Kill yourself.
>>342023553
They already said that they know it'll be cracked eventually. The point is to prevent piracy in the first few months where the majority of the sales are.
>>342023625
Not true back In the 50s up to the 80s when album sales were strong it was the other way around.
>>342023691
Total Warhammer is one of the more anticipated entry to the Total series.
I am not sure if it comparable to any other Total series anon.
>>342024045
Aside from all the other total war games, since it's not that big a departure from how the other games have worked.
>>342024085
>mfw my steam sale will be pirating all the games with a $5 VPN
>mfw steam cucks will actually pay for "sales" on DRM games and denuvo games and defend it
>charge $75 Cad for game, cause fuck regional pricing
>release on some bullshit like uplay, that is 100x harder and more annoying to get to work than any crack.
>Extra $50 for all the dlc that comes out right away.
>wonder why peoole pirate
Horseshit. If it's any consulation, my console piracy rate is much higher than on PC, i consider that jew gold sony or whomever gave you to make the game not on pC, counts as my cut. I paid for the toaster to play on afterall. And any exclusives should see the revenue drip to them, not my problem if there is 0 margin on it.
>>342022676
Steam should do demos.
do you think developers will stop using denuvo once they realize that it doesnt effect sales? im so scared of the future of gaming
>>342023974
Do you know how much it costs to put on a show that big? Also you are a flaming faggot
>>342024170
Steam has demos
Doom has a demo
>>342024045
yet it sells regardless of backlash from total war autists becaus it isnt historical and the initial lukewarn steam reviews.
>>342020324
good job naming 3 games that sold worse than previous versions without denuvo :)
Just Cause 2, international success millions sold
Just cause 3, evasive bomb, dead game
>>342024154
>listening to crap music
>gets defensive when people don't like his crappy music too
The most annoying part of the piracy debate for me is no one ever posts concrete fucking numbers. It's always opinions and heresay that "X is working!" with no proof.
The only conceivable reason for this is it's an overstated scapegoat for shitty companies to excuse their terrible PC ports or shit games in general.
>>342023894
Supposedly Denuvo's really expensive, and you're yet to provide any proof that it increases game sales. For all we know companies could be operating entirely on "what if" which has nothing to do with reality and are just wasting money for nothing.
>>342024123
Why even bring up Denuvo on its own, then, when it's immediately apparent that there's way more factors that go into whether a game sells well or not than just the DRM it uses? It's just a bad argument.
>>342024085
you're the type of person that puts on music nobody else likes when you're handed the aux cable in the car aren't you, like some heavy metal or some shit
>make a Denuvo thread
>it gets filled with GOG shills
>>342024103
That's not really how it traditionally worked with PC games, though. There are more sales in the first few weeks, sure, but the bulk of sales are in the tail end, because it tapers significantly less than for consoles.
I mean look at DA2 for instance. Does that look like a success? Tons of sales for the first couple of weeks, then nothing at all. That's what every denuvo game is going to be now - at best. It's much better to let people pirate the game, tell everyone how great it is, and pay for it 6 months later when they have the spare change for it, for instance - or simply let the people they've convinced to buy it make up for their piracy.
>>342024358
Provide a proof that Denuvo is expensive and then we talk about sales, since data for both of those are in the sales departments of each respective publisher
>paying for denuvo in order to have less sales because no word of mouth
this some funny shit
>>342024170
>demo
you think they cant cobble together the best designed part of the game in a year, make it the demo. And copy paste contents for the rest of the game? In 2016
You think they cant call it alpha/beta to excuse bugs? What they are doing right now?
>>342024324
Doom demo is trash. It didnt even show the part where the fun takes place.
>>342024425
Its like comparing Hyrule Warriors to any other Warriors title.
There's a mix of different IP into it and its skewed the market perception towards said product.
>>342024350
Videogames are created on PCs. Publishers have no reason not to release a game on the same platform they developed it on.
If they don't do it, there must be a very fucking good reason. And piracy on PC is easy as downloading a torrent and replace a ddl file.
>>342024324
>Steam has demos
No.
>Doom has a demo
Yes, but they only released it after the game didn't have enough sales for their liking.
>>342024551
Opinion leaders are quite a good substitute for a word of mouth in social media age
>>342024545
So essentially you have no proof that it helps game sales and are just wasting time? Didn't think you'd admit it so readily.
dilligaf?
>>342024551
>pirates
>word of mouth
are you living in the 90s?
nowadays some youtube fuck can just tweet and million of drones will assault gamestop the next day.
>>342024332
I'm honestly amazed that just cause 2 sold more than 100 or so copies. It's so fucking shit it's literally outdone by most chinese knockoffs of old games.
>>342024342
>listening to crap music
Keep trying to look cool on the internet m8
Cry some more piracy fags.
Your tears are delicious.
>>342024830
Yeah, but how do you think ecelebs choose what games to get? Unless it's the latest AAA halo of duty 2016, through word of mouth.
>>342024729
Of course I don't have a solid proof, I'm not a shill who works in some publisher, I don't have data on their expected sales and how much denuvo actually costs. I'm not the guy making claim to begin with, I'm just saying that there's a lesser chance of publishers being retarded than some random anon who hasn't worked a day in his life.
>>342024167
>using VPNs to pirate
>living in a country where downloading copyrighted media gets you in trouble/jail
>>342025076
> I'm not the guy making claim to begin with,
Apex kek.
>mfw all the major releases from now on will use Denuvo
>mfw even if Denuvo gets cracked "eventually" a new version will be released and it will take even longer to crack
>mfw in a year or two even more companies will release their ow anti tamper software like Denuvo
>mfw piracy is literally over
>>342025076
They've consistently handled piracy in the most pants-on-head retarded ways for not one but two decades. There's absolutely no reason why you should assume Denuvo's any different
Made some OC
>>342025025
>through word of mouth.
That's not what review/sponsored copies mean, anon. Every publisher craves for eceleb attention, not the other way around. Even those who have like 10k subs get review copies nowadays, especially if your channel is specialized, like "for RTS players" or "for new indie pixel shit enthusiasts"
>>342016510
i don't care that much , the only thing that can trigger me are no demos of those games with denuvo.
Most games has no demos , i have to download 20 to 30 gb of the game pirated to prove if it shit or not before actually buying , delete the game and install the original version
I had more problems with dark souls 1 steam , than the pirated version
>>342025314
Based retard.
>>342025025
Hell no, they dont
They just keep tabs on some websites, set steam recommendation, follow publishers on facebook, twitter, official forum, or simply look at their emails...
Publishers have started using them to market their games since years ago m8
>>342025304
Not everyone and they got slapped for it. I don't see how Denuvo works bad for them, for the most part.
>>342023624
MGSV did below expectations for Konami, but I suppose that's for reasons other than it's DRM (which got bypass'd, iirc).
>>342024103
>The point is to prevent piracy in the first few months where the majority of the sales are.
They must be retarded or something.Pirates will just wait.
Plenty of free2play games out there to keep you busy anyways.
How do they even compete with free2play?
>>342025434
Yes, I'm sure ecelebs learn about indie games by following the indie's publisher.
Oh
Wait.
>>342025415
I don't understand
>>342025641
I know you don't understand, Timmy. I know.
>>342025523
Got bypassed a week later. Not in an ideal state initially, but playable.
all of the games I like don't use Denuvo and I have a laptop that can't run AAA games anyways
eat shit small/mid sized developers
>>342025724
I think I'm supposed to get your epic reference or something, but please, never reply to me again
>>342024707
Is there any evidence to suggest how much being a part of the warhammer IP influenced sales? If not, there's no point in arguing either way.
>>342022793
Steam doesn't do full refunds everywhere, my money is stuck on the steam wallet.
>>342024883
whatever fag
>>342022793
If you use steam refunds as a demo system, you get your account banned.
>>342016510
80-97% piracy because that is about the number of people that live in households that cant afford to buy every new game on market or new game at all but are at same time able to buy decent spec pc( ie: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRA-FAST-Quad-Core-4-2Ghz-16GB-1TB-Desktop-Gaming-PC-Computer-AMD-RADEON-R7-/191124576369?hash=item2c7fe99871:g:lfIAAOSwHQ9WXufn).
Lets say you play 20 AAA titles per year; that will cost you about 1000 $ + 399$ for retarded PC that calls itself Xbox + whatever you pay for online experience. Those are starting expenses on the year one and they only keep rising.
People who invest 500-600$ in PC mainly gonna use it for some kind of work ie: design, animation, writing, photo processing or even accounting (because they simply want to have strong pc, not knowing what would they use it for actually).
Those PCs are means to get the work done and are not intended as gaming devices. But here is the twist- they can, if needed, run any game that is currently on market and thanks to piracy they do.
Denuvo will stop piracy- yes
Denuvo will rise sales numbers- no...
...because those who are ready to spit +2000$ per year are not pirating games anyway.
>>342025594
>Yes, I'm sure ecelebs learn about indie games by following the indie's publisher.
most indie worth their salt get into contact with several eceleb.
who do you think know first when a game is released and what it's about? The fucking developers.
And who's the first one they will tell this to? Some guys in the "journalist" and "pr" category
Go to sleep, grandpa. The market has changed.
>>342025778
>you will make threads about those games
>you will participate in the threads about those games
>you will spread good word of mouth if the games are good
>you might even buy the game one day
>eat shit small/mid sized developers
You sure showed them and those AAA games that you were not able to pirate and play will die out and will be never mentioned again.
How many sales did tomb raider have. How many sales did the sequel have.
>>342025312
damn that's bad
>>342024431
>Thinks nobody likes heavy metal
>>342026154
neo-/v/ everybody
>>342016510
And stopping me pirating will never give a sale. It's also not a lost sale if i pirate.
Because games i pirate are ones i wasn't going to buy anyway, just wanted to give it a try.
Once or twice I've bought the game later on if it turns out to be really good.
>>342026342
neo/v/ > dumb shit that hang up on demos and word of mouth in 2016
>>342024653
>>342024719
>Steam has demos
>No it doesn't
>What about Doom?
>lmao not a demo/trash
What the fuck? What about Civ V demo? What about Factoiro Demo? What about 8-bit-armies demo? What about HL2 Demo? What about DoW demos? What about almost every paradox game demos? It's not the issue that Steam doesn't allow demos but the fact that devs don't care. And they have plenty of reason nowadays
>>342026485
(You)
>>342026803
You are going to post that chart, the reason is to trick stupid people into buying a game blindly, I bet my ass if the first Watch Dogs had a demo nobody would have bought it.
>>342026852
Nigger I've explained how this shit actually works, if you want to live in your own substitute reality you can do as you please, just don't tell me that I'm wrong.
>>342026342
>"I don't have a good argument against logic."
>"Better keep failing."
>>342026803
Not sure if retarded or just pretending.
>>342026989
Don't see the reason what stopping you from refunding those games, since almost every digital distribution platform on PC has a refund policy nowadays.
What kind of redditor gets mad at people pirating vidya?
>>342027070
>>342027013
>>>/reddit/
>>342026989
Not to mention that basic gameplay research on YT/forums should give you a hell of a good idea what the game is about.
>>342027185
Yes.
>>342018012
>You are the one making the claim. Prove yourself right.
>not a single Denuvo game surpassed 1 million copies
>FC Primal flopped
yawn
>>342027267
(You)
>>342027350
http://steamspy.com/app/364360
>only sold 200k more in the months afterwards
Woops lol
>>342027350
That's a exception,not a trend. If ALL denovu games showed similar results it would be clear evidence.
>>342027350
Thats probably warhammer doing its thing. The warhammer franchise is a pretty big thing, and from what i have seen it brought a lot of fresh blood to the total war games.
>>342027376
This, it's a failure, there's no improvement in sales.
>>342027251
First, money is not stuck in steam wallet, you have the option to choose how to get your money back, this is literally written on the refund page.
Second, unless you're a literal retard that states in the reason that you just wanted to demo the game, they have no right to ban your ass.
When it comes to some regions where you can't refund for some reason: tough luck, use this handy fucking guide >>342027267
>>342027376
>FC Primal flopped
That's because it's a shit game.
really helped mirror's edge...
wait..
>>342027350
DELETE THIS
I'll just wait until i can buy a stolen steamkey for 2$.
>>342027730
Exactly, piracy is irrelevant, it's about the port and general game quality.
>>342027650
Publishers are just too stupid to understand that the best way to ensure sales is to make a great game.
You don't even have to market it that much.We have the internet now.
>>342016510
>can't pirate D44m
>will wait for sale when it's like 10 bucks or something
wew Bethesda, that sure was a sound investment, you'll get 10 WHOLE DOLLARS from me in the next 2 or so years.
>>342027524
There hasn't been a month since it was released
>>342027775
That's out? It's so bad i don't even know it did?
>>342016807
>couldn't pirate MGSV at release
>LE INVINCIBRU WALL ANTI PIRATE HA HA HA
>The torrent for it comes out like 6 months later
>torrent is downloaded hundreds of thousands of times
People who don't want to pay likely won't pay at all
I buy my games from cd key sites to ensure my money doesn't reach studios.
>>342023109
More like watching someone drive it and trying to decide whether or not to buy it.
>>342027963
>>couldn't pirate MGSV at release
Yea you could, there was an easy work around because you could just change your system clock with a specific crack
>>342027963
The shills know that, the publishers know that, they are just pissed that someone might play their game for free.
>>342027864
They would get 0$ if you pirated and saw for yourself that the game is shit.
Their investment return only on you is +10$.
>>342020140
>DRM free on Steam
I wish, too bad Gabe is a big fat jew
>>342019649
>As GoG expands its library any games you own on Steam you can get on GoG for free
Finally holy fuck Gabe actually has competition he'll actually have to do cool shit for his customers
>>342027963
It was cracked a week after, retard. It's like you weren't here when this was happening
>>342028210
What is the actual DRM of steam?
>>342028180
There is no company in the world that'll see that as profit.
>>342028319
Steam is the DRM
>>342023974
>I bought all of Taylor Swift's albums
It sure helped the new Homefront. Such a quality product deserves to be paid for.
>>342028518
What is the ACTUAL DRM of steam though?
>>342021692
Warhammer TW is great\
Also lol at crack addicts using the "try before buy" moral argument when they never buy it, it's just some generic rage against the machine shit
http://steamspy.com/app/203160
http://steamspy.com/app/391220
>>342028378
10$ ? No... But since you are not the only one...
>>342028641
Steam itself and Steamworks. Every game needs to be launched at least once from steam to finalize the installation, even the "DRM free" ones that won't require Steam further
>>342027196
>>342028641
Piss poor is what. But if you're serious, you need to authenticate with steam once before your game is unlocked, so to speak.
Thing is, that check can be bypassed very easily by providing a replacement dll file.
>>342028641
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
steamspy.com/app/379720
http://steamspy.com/app/223100
>>342028790
PIRATES BTFO
http://steamspy.com/app/371660
http://steamspy.com/app/220240
>>342028790
>relatively old game that was on sales multiple times and runs on a toaster and now costs $20
>new game that is worse that the original and even hiend cards struggle with and costs $60
Anon, what if... just think about it for a second... what if the price... anon, are you with me?.. What if the price and the quality of the product can actually affect the popularity of sales more than some random DRM solution? WOAH
>>342029067
how is this an answer to my question?
>>342028628
I just checked steamspy... 46 000 purchases... and still i expected less.
Who are those people ? Did they not play the first game ? Are they all streamers, reviewers and company workers families ?
>>342028645
Can never claim that for everyone, but i do that shit. I usually pirate first, and if i put in more than an hour or two into the game i pretty much always end up buying it.
Too bad i drop most games after a few hours tough.
>>342029175
Sorry, linked to wrong post. The DRM of Steam is Steam itself, the anti-piracy component is Steamworks CEG
>>342029240
It blatantly pandered to the Far Cry audience.
>>342029363
>The DRM of Steam is Steam itself,
that doesn't answer my question
How does steam regulate your shit? how is it EXACTLY DRM
answers like "well steam itself is DRM" doesn't tell me fuck all
>>342029169
>worse than the original
It has several tombs though, nice try.
Inb4 mandatory retina scan to verify legitimate VR game purchase.
>>342029451
Perhaps read some of the other replies to your post that actually told you what the drm part is, autismo.
>>342029451
By forcing you to have the client open, even in offline mode, to play your games. Stop pretending to be retarded.
>>342016807
Witcher 3.
>>342016510
Make a good game if you want people to buy it. Is this really so hard to understand? Ensure that your business model allows for the inevitable losses of piracy. If you don't adapt, or develop a good product in the first place, why the everloving fuck should anyone ever give you a fucking cent? And they call gamers entitled. Holy shit.
>>342029583
>Perhaps read some of the other replies to your post that actually told you what the drm part is, autismo.
none of them did, it was all just "Steam itself is DRM because its steam" and other non-answers
>>342029451
can you run the games without having to use steam
There are very few games i will pay full price for. Like none really. So if i can't pirate it now i can wait till it's in the bargain bin. If i even remember it exists.
>>342029587
>woowww I need open something to play a game
you must hate .exes then
>>342016807
You cant mod denuvo games and that pretty much kills it for me of ever buying a game that has denuvo.
>>342029289
Whether 1-2 hours is enough will depend strongly on the game itself. A game that is fun for 2 hours and then ends abruptly is certainly not worth $60, but you might expect from playing it for 2 hours that it should be lasting you 20, for instance.
Some games get a LOT better past a certain point, some games get a LOT worse (DX:HR is an example of that: past the first 2? missions, alternate paths, consequences, timing and choices magically disappear - and the bosses are just plain awful).
That's not even taking into account other issues the legitimate version can have, especially with regard to DRM.
Overall, playing the entire game pirated and buying (but not installing or even downloading) the real game is the best option every single time.
>>342016510
Starts with piracy, ends with used games
>>342029587
thats not DRM, thats just a script, go to the folder's EXE and make a copy to shortcut to it itself without steam
>>342029648
Did it sell over a million copies?
>>342029451
>how is it EXACTLY DRM
Because the games are tied to your account, duh.
>>342029701
One .exe only is better than two.
>>342029695
Buy a game on steam. Now uninstall steam. Can you still play your game? I bet not.
>>342029695
You must be blind. Let me spoonfeed you.
>>342029020
>>342028810
>>342029872
you should be able to without issue, its literally an EXE to start the game
>>342024835
>throwing shade on Just Cause 2
Confirmed for shit taste pleb
JC2 was the shit for years when it came out
Haven't pirated a game in years. Also haven't bought a game outside GOG in just as long.
I like trying things before I buy them
If I thoroughly enjoy a game, I buy it and tell my friends about it.
People share books, why not share games?
>>342029701
You are retarded.
I can't boot up New Vegas unless I have steam client up, even if in offline mode.
If I want to play my copy of System Shock I got for free (thx GOG, y'all are so nice) from GOG, I can open it in the Galaxy client, or just straight from the toolbar/start menu. I don't have to keep Galaxy up, or open it at all.
>>342029812
Just did that, now go suck gaben's cock.
>>342029878
Your second quote is literally a non-answer and it goes with "steam itself is DRM" like that means fuckall
>>342029824
close to 1.8 millions on steam. dont know about gog
the other 5-6 millions are on consoles
people will buy it regardless of drm.
>>342029953
Lol, give it a try.
>>342030045
Then the game itself makes a call to start steam, thats the game itself not steam
>>342029953
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Go ahead, exit steam and try to launch via the exe. See what happens.
>>342030106
It sold more on gog that on Steam.
