So what's the plan?
>Don't buy the game.
>Email Nintendo saying its a gay game and Miyamoto should be fired
>Wait until Etika makes a video about it
>Call him a nigger
Kills 2 birds with 2 stones.
>Play TTYD for the second time.
The game looks great. My plan is to buy it and enjoy it.
Only thing you can do is not buy the game.
Because let's be real, Nintendo will never read or care about replies, be it e-mails or physical letters, they will never get it through their thick skulls.
And complaining about it to NoA is a waste of time since they don't have any real power.
>>342001116
>second
anon ive been playing it once a year since release
>>342000353
>There will be lots and lots of toads
YFW
Stop making theses falseflagging threads.
Reminder to report and sage them.
>>342001225
They can sure as hell make NoJ aware of it.
That being said, with the recent restructuring and the fact that this has been in development since sticker star went gold, I'm pretty sure this was never planned to be a massive success, they just can't afford to delay or change anything due to the fact that it's the only game coming out for the wii u in the holiday season. They can't afford to leave that slot blank. I think it was just unfortunate that they looked at all their side projects and were trying to line up the calendar to get a release in there, and Color Splash happened to be the one nearest completion.
>>342000353
Reminder that anyone who hasn't bought the VC release of PM64 has no right to complain about the direction PM has gone.
>>342001375
how is this a flase flag you fucking moron? do you even know what that means? or is it another term you saw on reddit that you don't quite understand so you're going to keep spewing it until someone corrects you?
>>342001225
Except Aonuma said just this past week that the newest Zelda installment is based on negative feedback received from Skyward Sword. And the alleged stripping of core elements like dialogue and story are from feedback on the Nintendo Club surveys - that people had ranked story and plot as the least important factor when playing Paper Mario titles. They do listen, it's just more than often they take the wrong direction with it.
Your fucking fault for buying Sticker Star. That shit sold over 3 million copies.
>>342001708
The negative feedback came from the fact that TP sold 8+ million copies while Skyward Sword barely sold 3.
Sales matter. If it sells badly then they'll try to figure where did they fuck up, and go look for feedback.
>>342001505
This is falseflag to make PM fans look bad. The intention for theses threads is for nothing, but shitposting. There's a samefag here trying to push the falseflag. Do you honestly think whining and crying out loud will resolve it?
I like how you assume things based nothing, since I never browsed reddit. You can stop using buzzwords at anytime.
>>342001708
>that people had ranked story and plot as the least important factor when playing Paper Mario titles.
Stop this.
The wording was that less than 5% of Japanese players who were polled called it the MOST important aspect.
EIGHTY NINE NIGHTY NINE CANADIAN MOOSE DOLLAROOS
NINETY DOLLARS.
CANADA IS FUCKED
>If you want an RPG, go play M&L
>Would fans want to buy TYD HD?
>We have all kinds of toads with different personalities
There's nothing we can do.
They said it themselves, M&L is the RPG Series now, PM is just an experimental gimmick playground and DUDE WE'RE MADE OF PAPER LMAO.
Tanabe's lost his mind, and IS doesn't want to go back to 64/TTYD Style Games.
>>342002358
But goy! We need to spend all of our resources on saving those poor muslims! Also, be sure to go to your mandatory islam education courses! Wouldn't want our invad-UHHH I MEAN guests to be uncomfortable, right?
The oil industry will fix itself :^)
>>342002462
Are the toads a representation of the Japanese people? Is that why they all look the same?
>>342002650
Funny because I don't see any refugees here locally. Just a while lot of South Americans and Asians.
>>342001885
Bullshit or you just don't know what you're talking about? The game's been in development for two years. You're telling me the game they just rereleased three months ago was the defining factor for the gameplay we saw?
>>342002208
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know this, but my point still stands - plot was not the most significant gameplay element.
>>342000353
Buy it?
>>342002358
How's the WEED treating you
I watched the trailed and it looked good.
Why you fags complaining about it?
>>342002618
The least they can do is not copy-paste characters. That's really all I ask.
>>342003375
Because it's Sticker Star 2.
>>342003375
it looks exactly like sticker star
pic related was sticker star
sticker star was the sequel to a big game with a big story
Buy it if you like the look of it, don't if you don't like the look of it.
Are you retarded?
>>342000353
Crashing this series...
Buy it.
Play it.
Love it.
Pirate it just to rub it in.
>>342001225
>Only thing you can do is not buy the game
>well I guess they don't want Paper Mario anymore, time to can it forever
>>342005497
That wouldn't be a bad thing.
If this flops, will Nintendo get their act together?
>plan
I mean, just not buying it seems like a fairly good one
>>342003437
This really makes me mad. Even if miyamoto said to not make OCs, there are a lot of characters in the Mario series that could appear and break the same-ness.
Where is toadsworth? The piantas? The fuckton types of shy guy in the series? At least use different colored toads, for fucks sake, everything is just so lazily copy pasted.
All we got are toads wearing scarves, but depending of how they are, this game will have no "new characters" besides kertsi 2.0. The trailer is lying.
even the toads in the other paper mario games had more personality than these ones
every toad is different from another because they will say different memes
>>342001996
I made the thread and while the OP is tongue in cheek, I actually enjoy these threads and talking about the series past, present, and potential future. It'd be great to see some kind of movement.
>>342003757
How do you screw up this badly without it being intentional?
Boycott it, folks. I'm buying PM on virtual console launch day
>>342007037
i always hop into pm threads wanting to see new ideas for settings and characters that would be good, but the new games have killed that for me
>>342007309
Where are the Paper Mario clones? Is the work involved simply too great for an indie team to attempt a TTYD successor?
don't buy it, buy the TTYD HD remake when it comes out
that's the plan
>>342007309
>the pre-color splash announcement hype threads
>everyone pitching ideas for partners, bosses, amiibo functions, etc
>it's all gone now
;_;7
>>342003006
Kill Yourself Faggot.
>>342007573
I am making a PM like game myself (I posted a few times on /agdg/ but I have been busy lately), and while the engine is pretty much done, making assets, character animations, models, dialogues and everything is too much work for a single person
Hopefully someone will make a good PM fangame/spiritual sucessor soon now that the series is dead
>>342007910
What's your team? I'd love to help out, and I think I have an eye for the tone the first three games had.
>>342008125
Currently it's only me and my friend. My friend works on design, drawing concepts for areas and characters and thinking dialogue and drawing the storyboard, while I code, model, animate and draw everything else.
This webm is old from months ago before I went into hiatus because of life, but I am going back to work on the game these days. Everything is a placeholder since I suck at making textures and I'm still trying to find a good artstyle for all of it.
>>342005497
Paper Mario is already dead. At least they won't be beating a corpse anymore.
>>342008458
Do you have a Steam account? I'd love to see what you have so far.
>>342000353
Look, I'm not mad about no rpg or no story, heck I'm not even mad about partners BUT I CANNOT STAND THE COPYPASTED TOADS AND THE LACK OF VARIETY. At the very least give us some different characters. What I enjoyed about PM which no other Mario game ever did was developing all the side and enemy characters and giving them a spotlight. Things like goomba's and koopa's talking for example. This game is going to be creatively bankrupt. All paper jokes and toads.
>>342008946
Unfortunately we don't have any social media stuff, we only sometimes post on /agdg/ when we make some noticeable progress. If we ever get something, I might reappear in another PM thread and post it.
Also here is another older webm of shops and stuff.
>>342002462
>It's real
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGxeaOmMYwn/?taken-by=nintendo
>>342009542
You don't want help? Aight.
Just dislike the videos, say shit on the game's Miiverse, and if there's an official poll take advantage of it
>>342000353
Don't buy it. Besides who buys a WiiU?
>>342002462
Toads are stealing all the jobs of honest hard working Shy Guys and should feel ashamed.
>>342002973
you are partially right.
plot wasn't the most factor. CHARACTERS WERE.
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK FANS ARE SO MAD ABOUT "DUDE TOADS LMAO"?
>>342003953
>$0.10 deposited into your account
>>342007037
Then make normal threads about Paper Mario and don't reply people who even want to start flamewar, not bait and attention seeker threads.
This is not fucking hard.
>>342000353
>Hey mr Miamoto how do you want you franchise
>Just take the original game and fuck its shit up
>Say no more sir
And here we are. The only good PM games are 1 and possibly 2. Rest are trash.
Same with Mario and Luigi.
>>342009754
>>342002462
>mfw
It's like they want us to hate them.
>>342001996
Thats not what false flag means.
>>342010629
>mario and luigi
>only first two are good
>implying Partners In Babbies was good
>ignoring Bowser's Inside Story and Dream Team
>try to act like the villain is a mystery
>when all the bosses are likely koopalings so its clearly bowser
>DON'T WORRY YOU GET SPECIAL ENEMY STICKERS FOR FIGHTS SO BATTING HAS A PURPOSE NOW
>except you can't use those stickers on bosses
>by the way bosses are once again trial and error "use the thing for an instant win or take 20 minutes by playing normally and have the game criticize you"
why
>>342010629
>Hey mr Miamoto
Not only you are wrong, but you spelled the name wrong.
Jesus.
>>342010732
Do me a favor to explain it then.
>>342007309
What the fuck? This is a game? Is this new?
>>342008458
This looks awesome. Would play.
>>342011054
>being this triggered.
>>342011237
No. Google it. Instead of using buzzwords from /pol/ to seem smart.
>>342011635That's only fanart anon. Look up Countdown to Chaos and Book of Ages for some more paper mario fanart chapters
>the toads arent wearing any clothes, and no clothes means no personality
>but you don't get anything for battles, i mean except for stickers and coins and now the ability to level up your hammer but we're not going to acknowledge that
>but no story, even though this game is clearly a different type of game and not every game needs a story to be enjoyable
>we dont care if they devs want to make something new. we just want nintendo to ruin ttyd's legacy by making repetitive sequels until it is run into the ground and we become tired of it like the new super mario bros series
Why are paper fags such unreasonable, entitled crybabies?
I'm buying it because it looks fun
Pirate it to shit on it.
>>342012865
Did you enjoy Sticker Star anon?
>>342013242
Yes. It was a good game.
>>342013242
I had a few big issues with it, but it was still an enjoyable game. Color Splash looks like the same game, but better.
>>342012865
>but no story, even though this game is clearly a different type of game and not every game needs a story to be enjoyable
An RPG sure as hell needs more motivation from a story than what Sticker Star had which was barely a step up from Mario Bros.
>>342013351
It's fine if you enjoyed it but don't lie to yourself. It's mechanics are shit.
I don't like Super Paper Mario but its a good game. Sticker Star is not. The entire pseudo RPG battle system is extremely flawed.
>>342013664
It's not an rpg. Like I said, they're trying something new. They literally don't even advertise it as one. It's listed as an action adventure game.
>>342013938
Super Paper Mario was a pretty bad platformer in a series known for platforming excellence. You're one of those who think SPM's story is good aren't you?
>>342013664
>Paper mario
>Being an RPG since super paper mario
They gave that role to mario and luigi senpai
>>342014247
>Something new
>It's a literal rehash of Sticker Star
>>342014276
>Paper mario
>Being an RPG
>>342014326
I meant that Sticker Star was something new from the previous games . Color Splash is an improved Sticker Star.
>>342012865
>unreasonable
>entitled
when the first two games set such a pedigree, there is bound to be frustration when succeeding entries are released and they're not even near up to par, and we're talking about a company that has the resources for that not to happen.
the biggest, glaring problem for me is not the reused sticker star combat system that is bound to present problems when it comes to bosses and specific stickers again; it's the cavalcade of toads. it just screams laziness to me. dream team, paper jam, sticker star -- all of those games have committed that offense. super star saga had a whole different kingdom with a bizarre landscape and bean people. it was creative and fun.
the excuse that toads should just be a template for funny dialogue when we got that in previous paper mario entries and then some is lazy. they might as well just be called dialogue dispensers.
>>342001116
>TTYD on replays
>>342013351
>>342013382
Well a lot of people didn't enjoy Sticker Star, so it's not an issue of entitlement. It's just not wanting to spend money on a slightly better version of a game they didn't like.
>>342000353
>So what's the plan?
I'll buy it in the face of TTYD shitters.
>>342014810
> waa waaa, boo hooo, nintendo is lazy bcuz the toads aren't wearing clothes, waaaa
>>342014476
How is it improved? It looks exactly the same but with a different gimmick, complete with garbage like specific stickers being required for bosses and making them trivial.
>>342014956
Good news for them, if they keep on version 5.5.1, they can get it for free
>>342015018
Please don't shitpost. It lowers the quality of the board.
>>342015018
You do realize there were a ton of NPCs in the first two games that weren't toads, right?
>>342015018
good response, nailed it
>>342014810
>It's lazy and bad because I say so
SPM and SS were the best-selling in the series, get the fuck over it.
>>342012865
>You won't pay 60 dollars for a bag of shit? You're an entitled shitlord.
>>342015115
I'm sorry, I'm retarded. What do you mean by this?
>>342014956
no one is making you buy the game. but all of the arhuments are just, "this game sucks because it isn't the same as TTYD! We deserve another TTYD,even if the devs don't want to make it! "That is straight up entitlement.
>>342015221
>SS
Only in Japan, where the series barely sells anything. Otherwise it was a step down from every other game in the series sales-wise.
>>342010629
>Not liking Super Paper Mario.
Okay.
>>342015270
You could pirate it, eliminating the spending money factor
>>342015221
are we really going to argue that sales are indicative of quality
this road has been gone down far too often, anon
>>342015221
Only because the Wii and 3ds sold better than the Gamecube and N64. A much better comparison would be to see the amount of the total user base of each console that bought the each of the games.
>>342015292
Most of the arguments I've seen are that the game is bad for having a lack of interesting characters and that all the bosses are basically Yhorm from DS3.
It's important that you don't buy this game so that Nintendo realizes that we don't want SS type games. Then when it comes time to make the next Paper Mario, (all the previous games have sold well so they won't just abandon the series like many of you think) they'll hopefully consider looking at fan feedback
>>342012865
They want tumblr pandering interactive movies like Xenoblade and Bayonetta and cant accept change, just ignore the crybabies.
>>342015929
This post makes zero sense.
>>342015565
The battle mechanics are godawful. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give the player Thing Stickers/Cards that completely trivialize boss fights? They might as well have taken battles out of the game and replaced them with Zelda puzzles because they're functionally the same.
>>342003953
FUCK
YOU
>>342015929
It's sad that people actually believe this. If Xenoblade is an interactive movie then so is Sticker Star. As for Bayonetta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iVtSTkoMFE
>>342016494
Oh I was agreeing with you. I just hate the "argument" that all Paper Mario fans want is a TTYD clone.
>>342015435
>A much better comparison would be to see the amount of the total user base of each console that bought the each of the games.
That's retarded because the handheld user base on average buys less(usually half) software than the console userbases.
>>342015868
They'll just pull the plug on Paper Mario if this doesn't sell. Miyamoto won't make another good PM even if it prints him enough money to make up for the WiiU losses.
>>342010629
But Bowser's Inside Story was better than Partners in Time.
And Super Paper Mario was pretty good.
>>342016908
Well you still have to pay for a digital download. You can count those too.
>>342001226
Are you me?
As much as I hated sticker star the new trailer really showed how amazingly fucking good the paper Mario art style looks in hd it actually really disappointing they're putting it towards this crap
>>342015868
>>342016927
>so that Nintendo realizes that we don't want SS type games
SS and SPM were the best-selling Paper Mario games, people like them and buy them. You're the delusional vocal minority.
>>342014268
Not him but Super Paper Mario was easily the best game due to its amazing story.
Have fun with the contrarian opinions you've slurped up from shitposters on /v/ silly anon.
>>342018474
Only because the Wii and 3ds sold better than the Gamecube and N64. A much better comparison would be to see the amount of the total user base of each console that bought the each of the games.
>>342016681
>Pretendos
>>342018474
>SS and SPM were the best-selling Paper Mario games, people like them and buy them
Because of the established userbase of those platforms. Keep rehashing the same flawed argument that is sales indicating quality; it won't come true no matter how many times you say it.
And to argue that it's a vocal minority when the complaints and criticism is ceaseless is bunk. I'd think the vocal minority is the other way around.
>>342018474
I wish that I could go back in time and not buy SPM or SS. I didn't finish either of them. SPM was barely passing and SS was terrible. I have no good way of telling this to Nintendo now that the Club Nintendo surveys are dead.
>>342018651
All I see mentioned with Super Paper Mario is the story and artstyle. Those two weren't enough for me to finish it as I got near-unconsciously bored at the mine carts.
>>342018754
No, I think the number of copies sold is the best comparison, because that's what Nintendo cares about.
Even if we do look at that, Sticker Star had a comparable attach rate to the original, sold almost twice as many copies on a platform that sold almost twice as many units. The GC game had the best attach rate by far but you can't ignore the fact that the Wii game sold 3.75 million copies, even if it was on the Wii.
Can't wait to see this new one have one of the better attach rates since the Wii U's install base is so low. It only needs to sell about ~400K copies to have an attach rate on-par with the original and Sticker star.
>>342019017
see
>>342019546
SS had about the same attach rate the first game had and sold almost twice as many copies.
Just accept the fact that you are the vocal minority. People liked and bought SS, get the fuck over it and stop backpedaling and making excuses
>B-b-but attach rate!
You're fucking wrong there too, champ.
>>342019546
Yes but it's a flawed comparison. Just because something sold more doesn't mean people want those types of games.
>>342019920
>It's a flawed comparison
>But let's use this one that I think paints my argument in a much more positive light (and really doesn't support my argument anyway)
Pal, the number of copies sold is about as simple and objective as you can possibly get. And AGAIN, even if you look at attach rates, Sticker Star has one on-par with the N64 game and the Wii U game will likely have a very good one as it only needs to sell a few hundred thousand copies to match the original and SS.
>>342020172
The original has a poor attach rate because it was the first in the series and was released on the N64. Sticker Star only sold well because it was promised as a return to form after the disaster that was Super Paper Mario. And if sales numbers are all that matter then Color Splash will still be a failure because only a very small vocal minority enjoyed Sticker Star.
>>342020172
It's a flawed comparison. Just because the sales numbers are higher doesn't mean people enjoyed the game more. See MGS1 vs MGS2
>>342000353
Buy Paper Mario 64 and Super Paper Mario on the day of release instead.
Then go play TTYD.
>"SS sold the most!!"
Literally only because it was on the most popular handheld at the time. Same with SPM. 64 and TTYD didn't sell as well because they were on the Nintendo 64 and GameCube, which did not have as many sales. Fucking idiots.
>>342015929
>(You)
>>342020557
>B-b-but this only happened because this...
>B-b-but that only happened because that...
Stop backpedaling and making up bullshit excuses. First sales didn't matter, it was attach rate, but now that closer examination has proven that attach rate doesn't actually mean everyone hates Paper Mario, it's back to being about sales? If sales are all that matter, then SPM and SS are what fans actually want, because they fucking sold the most copies. You are the vocal minority.
The way I see it there are two scenarios:
It sells well, Nintendo is now convinced people love the sticker star style.
It sells poorly, Nintendo is now convinced people don't like paper mario, and never make another game.
>>342020557
Also meant to add that it came out on the N64 in 2000. Which was near the end of the consoles life cycle. Sticker Star and SPM were released during a good time for far more popular consoles and still only have slightly better attach rates that the original and don't even come near the TTYD.
>>342020808
The original and SS have about the same attach rate and SPM sold well over a million more copies than SS and TTYD. People like the new Paper Mario games, get the fuck over it.
>>342014810
Dream Team had an enormous variety of NPCs from all the M&L games, not just Toads, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>342021024
>Which was near the end of the consoles life cycle
But that means more people owned it so the game had more potential buyers. It sold over 2 million copies on N64 which was a great number, that didn't hurt the game much at all.
>>342020976
You were the one who said sales way to measure things not me. I was explaining to you (the vocal minority) why sales numbers aren't actually that important in determining what people actually want.
>>342020976
to be fair, Nintendo's latest gameplay uploads all have many dislikes. That's "vocal" alright, but not so much "minority"
The fanbase is 50/50 split right now between those who like Sticker Star and those who like the originals. It's a damn mess
>>342021086
>SPM sold well over a million more copies than SS and TTYD
Super Paper Mario came out on the Wii, which is the highest selling Nintendo console of all time. Shut the fuck up.
Also, the only Paper Mario game I hate is Sticker Star. The first 3 are all great games.
>>342020727
It's the best comparison possible.
>Just because the sales numbers are higher doesn't mean people enjoyed the game more.
You have no possible way of proving that. You have nothing in your possession that can credibly dissect how many people liked and disliked those games.
>>342020976
Also explaining why things happened isn't backpedaling, it's clarification.
>>342010516
why don't you kill yourself fagget.
>>342021213
>Nintendo's latest gameplay uploads all have many dislikes.
If you go through some of those comment sections, people admit to spamming dislike on multiple accounts. There was a tiny bit more likes than dislikes up until that point.
>>342021210
Right, and SS and SPM have the highest sales.
If people didn't want it, they wouldn't buy it. All 2+ million sales for SS didn't happen day-one. It sold well, it was well-received.
You're just making excuses and making every effort to spin the truth to how you want to see it. Attach rate for SS was good, sales were good, SPM sold 1.5m more copies than SS and TTYD. They got good reviews from critics and fans. By ANY metric, people liked SPM and SS. They are what people want, because they keep buying it.
>>342021213
>Nintendo's latest gameplay uploads all have many dislikes.
People who have a grudge intentionally seeked out the video to dislike it. Back when it was first revealed this year there were people literally asking for the video so that they could dislike it.
People who liked Sticker Star aren't necessarily going to look for the video after watching the demonstration at E3.
>>342021293
And you also have no way to prove that the people who bought the games enjoyed them. I guess we just have to wait for this new one to release.
>>342021213
>That's "vocal" alright, but not so much "minority"
Compared to the number of people that actually, you know, buy the games, yeah it its pretty minor. 30-50K is nothing compared to 2+ million sales.
>>342021262
>B-b-but attach rate!
We've been over this, champ.
>>342021639
>And you also have no way to prove that the people who bought the games enjoyed them.
Which is why the argument never went that route, just that those games sold more.
>>342021723
>30-50K is nothing compared to 2+ million sales.
It isn't even 30k, it's only 6k.
>>342021557
>If people didn't want it, they wouldn't buy it.
To be fair, birthday and christmas presents and shit occur. If your kid likes videogames and you know shit-all about them, you'll buy the first game that has "Mario" on it.
>>342021639
Then all we're left with are numbers and objective facts, such as:
>Sticker Star has the second-best attach rate along with Paper Mario N64
>Super Paper Mario and Sticker Star are the best-selling games in the franchise
Get fucked, vocal minority.
>>342021723
By "we've been over this" you mean "i said you're wrong, which means i'm right"
>>342003850
WITH NO PARTNERS!
>>342021815
The very definition of a vocal minority
>>342021557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Yw8nMfJkA
SPM only sold well because it was a sequel to TTYD. It didn't receive outstanding reviews it got middling review scores (7/10). Sticker Star only sold well because it looked like a return to form after SPM. I don't think the sales numbers in this scenario are indicative of what people want YOU are the one who has been saying that.
>>342021964
You're wrong because the numbers say you're wrong, shitbird.
They're the best-selling games, SS had a really good attach rate and despite what you clearly think SPM had a decent one as well. 1.3m copies to 30+m consoles sold isn't much better than 3.8m to 100m consoles sold. Do the math.
>>342022061
This.Once people realize Sticker Star is shit, they aren't buying Color Splash.
Notice how Federation Force disappeared after Tanabe's damage control was spammed with dislikes. At E3 they played every upcoming Nintendo game except FF, even if it releases in 2 months. They lost faith in the project.
The same will happen to this game: they'll stop talking about it and quietly release it with zero marketing.
Watch it sell as much as Star Fox 0, and Tanabe losing a lot of creative control.
>>342010975
>try to act like the villain is a mystery
are they really trying to do that? there's fucking BOWSER tape all over the trailers/demos..
>>342014810
>dream team, paper jam
These two have way more than Toads, play the games you complain about.
>>342022061
>It only did this because...
>It only did that because...
But it did those things, you're just trying to rationalize why they happened to invalidate it because you can't refute it.
Federation force, Starcuck Zero and now color trash. Nintendo is trying to secretly kill all of its franchises that aren't 2d mario, mario party and zelda. What are you gonna do to stop this?
>>342022663
Not buy them, that's all we can do.
>>342022337
>they'll stop talking about it and quietly release it with zero marketing
Isn't that pretty much what happened?
>direct reveal
>never uploaded alone
>not a word until E3 revealed release date
>>342022337
Did Star Fox Zero not sell well?
>>342022663
Not spend all my time trying to make myself into a victim because I don't enjoy one of my hobbies at the same intensity I used to, and spin insane conspiracy theories to make myself into a hero for bitching on the Internet.
>>342022337
I'm still mad FF had to look like such a piece of garbage and come up at the worst possible time. It'll probably wind up killing any interest Nintendo might have ever had in making Metroid spinoffs, which could have been really cool if they just got some competent people working on good hardware.
>>342022406
Paper Jam only had identical Toads and Lakitus. And a single Yoshi.
They even killed off Toadsworth, it was the first M&L game without him.
>>342022406
still a disproportionate amount
>>342022663
How the fuck did they go through the all development of star fox and nobody pointed out that they NEED a fucking local multiplayer.
>>342022268
See >>342022061
The Wii was the HIGHEST SELLING NINTENDO CONSOLE OF ALL TIME. It's literally the only reason Nintendo is alive right now. Everyone had a fucking Wii. SPM sold amazingly but the reviews it got claimed it was very very average. After seeing Sticker Star be announced, longtime fans of the series thought it would be more similar to TTYD, which it wasn't. Look literally anywhere on the internet and you will see the people who played it bitch about how fucking terrible it was. It was a Mario game for the 3DS, of fucking course it sold well.
Meanwhile, 64 and TTYD didn't get as much attention, because people were focusing on the more mainstream games, like Super Smash Bros., Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 64, Donkey Kong 64, Ocarina of Time, shit like that, and that's ignoring the fact that in their respective generations, the 64 and Gamecube were the least selling consoles.
>>342022869
Star Fox Zero is the worst-selling game in the series.
>>342022061
IT
STILL
SOLD
WORSE
FAMPAI
On a handheld no less. What makes you think Color Splash will do nearly as well as Sticker Shit? Face it Tanabe is finish and thank fuck.
Or they will blame the series and kill it off instead of admitting they made a mistake. At least Anouma had the tiny yellow balls to talk shit about Skyward Sword and I like Skyward Swordkind of sort of maybe not in my top 5 maybe hey at least it's still better than the DS games
>>342022869
bro, it sold 25k in japan. it's over, the starfox name does not mean anything anymore
>>342007573
south park
>>342022663
Fedoration Force is exactly the game I wanted since I loved Hunters and I'll have a blast with this one too.
Wait, that's not what you wanted to hear at all is it?
>>342015929
>Storytelling is tumblr pandering
I would say stopped reading there, but that's not true
>>342023065
moonland gave as much of a fuck about Star Fox as they do Zelda i:e not very.
Explains why they are pandering extra hard to the west with BotW.
>>342022457
http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/
The Nintendo 3ds sold a total of around 60 million units. Sticker Star only sold 2.25 million copies world wide. Even if you compare these numbers to the other Paper Mario games the attach rate is still barely higher. Also I'm trying to explain it to you to show why Color Splash will not reach that 400k number you mentioned. People won't buy it because people didn't enjoy Sticker Star.
>>342023036
>>342023065
I never really got into Star Fox but that's sad to hear, hopefully they do decide to make another game eventually & listen to the issues of Zero.
>>342023247
>Fedoration Force
The irony.
>>342023247
>loved Hunters multiplayer since it was the only thing to play on DS at the time with friends until mario kart and pokemon rolled
fixed for truth. DS launch was WEAK until Nintendogs caused all the normies to buy it. Remember when the PSP was a legit threat to the DS?
>>342023037
Oh you misunderstand I agree with you. I was just arguing with the other guy.
>>342022927
If we had some trailer of an Upcoming metroid game for WiiU/NX FF would catch a break but they fucked up the timing, and underestimated the fanbase like they have been doing lately, they paid the price with WiiU now they need to get their shit together and not pulling shit like that anymore.
FF could have been good as a side project between main games, could have been overlooked like Pinball was.
>>342023675
At least Samus was playable in Metroid Prime Pinball OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_Mario
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles
Here, so people can calculate the attach rates on their own and don't have to take the word of two idiots arguing.
>>342023351
2.25 million is a pretty good figure and roughly what it should be expected to sell on 3DS.The 3DS has sold 274.18 million pieces of software and has sold 58.85 million hardware. This means that the average 3DS has 4.66 games bought for it.The GC had sold 208.57 million pieces of software and 21.57 million pieces of Hardware. This means that the average GC had 9.66 games bought for it. (source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/index.html)
>9.66 /4.66 = 2.07.
Which means when moving from console to handheld(and after factoring in install bases) the sales should be roughly halved. TTYD sold 1.91 million as of December 2014 and Sticker Star sold 2.24 million as of December 2014. (source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=963700). For example if you estimate what TTYD's sales on 3DS would be. It could be calculated as:
>1.91 million * (58.85/21.58) /2.07 = 2.51 million.
This is only an estimate but it's better than all the excuses "it only sold because of [bullshit]" malarky you're spinning. Color Splash should do pretty well.
>>342023491
requesting that image of people predicting the PSP destroying the DS, please
>>342023826
>Sticker Star sold better than SPM but had a lower attach rate
>SPM had a higher attach rate but sold worse than Sticker Star
tl;dr that shit up fampai
>>342022663
Mario Party is next on the chopping block. You can't convince me your faith in a brand is unshakable when the most recent game sells like garbage and the new one's cover is taken directly from a fucking Spaghetti-O's can.
I can only hope FE and Xenoblade come out unscathed, IS and Monolith both for that matter, or at least survive long enough for younger fellas to take over and take constructive criticism seriously.
>>342007573
>Clones
See, there is no point to a Paper Mario game without the Mario. That way it'd pretty much just be a random turnbased RPG a big part of Paler Mario's charm comes from it being... well, a Mario game.
>>342023808
>they didn't even got that right
Seriously, at what point did they thought this was a good Idea?, and the shitstorm will be bigger if they try to pull that Samus as paid DLC thing.
>>342014370
Jap box says RPG on the cover.
>>342023491
>Remember when the PSP was a legit threat to the DS?
Shit let's take it a gen further. Remember when paid shills on gaming websites were hyping that the Vita would kill the 3DS in the west?
>>342024283
We have to take what we can get. Besides this guy's game looks pretty good.
>>342008458
>>342024406
>it says so, therefore it must be true
>>342024259
>the can pasta theory again
Stock promotional image mate.
>>342023351
>Also I'm trying to explain it to you to show why Color Splash will not reach that 400k number you mentioned. People won't buy it because people didn't enjoy Sticker Star.
>Even though SS sold well over 2 million copies with an attach rate comparable to Paper Mario N64
>Even though SPM sold 3.8 million copies and also has a comparable attach rate to Paper Mario N64
But no, all these numbers are wrong.
>>342024406
That doesn't look like a Rocket Propelled Grenade to me.
>>342024539
Yeah, that's true right now, it's on the box even. Technically both boxes are right since it's both and Action-Adventure game & RPG.
>>342024539
>I disagree, it it must be false
>>342024259
>You can't convince me your faith in a brand is unshakable when the most recent game sells like garbage
I got bad news for you bro. Mario party 10 is one of wii U's best selling games (in the top 10). I'm sure you know the game is crap and likely took nothing to make. That is to say, mario party will be rehashed for a long time because easy money.
>I can only hope FE and Xenoblade come out unscathed, IS and Monolith both for that matter
same here. they're the main reasons I still own 3ds and Wii U. who knows how long they will last in this industry
>>342024096
Shhh, don't burst his bubble with numbers and facts.
SPM and SS absolutely DO NOT have good and comparable attach rates, NO ONE will buy Color Splash!
>>342021557
this nigga will defend sticker star to the death kek
what a hill to die on
>>342024096
So then if you compare these numbers then it shows what people want is the TTYD meaning you are in fact the vocal minority.
>>342024746
>I think neither, therefore there is no real answer
>>342024659
it's on the Wii U therefore it will fail. Mario Party isn't immune to this either since 10 failed expectations. Shit you can't unconvince me this 3DS romp is just an excuse to pump out more amiibo. I mean I'm glad we're getting Waluigi, classic Wario, and Daisy but let's not delude ourselves. They should have went full stock and made ALL the amiibos into a board game and dropped the MP name. I still maintain that Amiibo Festival sold like shit because no one wanted to but the fucking AC amiibo to play it properly.
mario farty
>>342024443
thankfully, I found the image I was looking for!
>>342022978
>It's literally the only reason Nintendo is alive right now. Everyone had a fucking Wii.
That and creative budgeting.
>>342025084
Wario Farty.
>>342024659
>>342024850
All the numbers show is that two games that were marketed really well at the beginning of a consoles life cycle sold better than a game that was marketed poorly at the end of a consoles life cycle. You can say I'm looking at data just to see what I want to see but aren't you doing the exact same thing?
Also you >>342024850
stay out of debates unless you have something worthwhile to add.
>>342022978
>These numbers are wrong because [wall of irrelevant, anecdotal text]
>>342025283
Also I want someone to screencap this thread so when Color Splash sells poorly even by Wii U standards I can gloat.
>>342025283
>stay out of debates unless you have something worthwhile to add.
I've given you numbers repeatedly, shitbird. Sales figures. Attach rates for the games. Another cognizant Anon has given you numbers as well.
You're just dismissing absolutely everything with your anecdotal "This won't happen because this" bullshit non-reasoning.
>>342025352
Literally none of that was anecdotal. I also never mentioned any numbers being wrong.
>>342025441
It says it comes out in October so only about 4 months until judgement day I suppose.
>>342000353
Boycott it
>>342025578
>After seeing Sticker Star be announced, longtime fans of the series thought it would be more similar to TTYD
>Look literally anywhere on the internet and you will see the people who played it bitch about how fucking terrible it was
>Meanwhile, 64 and TTYD didn't get as much attention, because people were focusing on the more mainstream games
These statements are entirely anecdotal, do you not know what that word means?
>>342024892
>So then if you compare these numbers then it shows what people want is the TTYD meaning you are in fact the vocal minority.
The calculation demonstrates there's a demand for both kinds you idiot. Probably why Nintendo decided to keep Mario & Luigi the same and change up Paper Mario.
>>342000353
pirate it
>>342025549
Yes and you're failing to read between the lines of the numbers as expected of /v/. Wow a game that was marketed well and was a sequel to a really great game has a (barely) better attach rate than the first game in the series, that was marketed poorly, amazing!
>>342000353
Buy the game and have fun with it.
>>342025646
Ok guys, I'm curious now, how many of you think it'll sell good & bad?
https://www.strawpoll.me/10529259
CRASHING THIS FRANCHISE
>>342005497
If this is how they treat Paper Mario, then good riddance.
>>342025916
>the first game in the series, that was marketed poorly.
No
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZSkUTWZyeA
>>342025916
Here's how this conversation played out:
>"Everyone hated SPM and SS!"
>No, wrong, they sold well, the best in the series, here are the numbers
>"Well, you need to look at the attach rates!"
>They're actually comparable, here are some more facts and numbers
>"Well, the Wii was the BEST SELLING CONSOLE!"
>Again, still comparable, look at the numbers I just showed you
>"Yeah, um, well, marketing, and uh, anecdotal bullshit, I don't know..."
>>342025848
So because fans thought it was shit, you should just ignore it? Not everything is a number on a chart.
It isn't even an opinion anymore. It's a fucking fact that almost the entire Paper Mario fanbase hates Sticker Star. The ones that genuinely enjoyed it and were longtime fans of the series were few and far between. Most of the people who liked Sticker Star were little kids and people who had never played the other games.
And it is also a fact that the other games I mentioned sold FAR more than the first and second Paper Mario games. People focused on them more. Fuck off.
>>342026004
>Sequel to a poorly received game on a dieing console
>>342000353
Buy it day one.
>>342026316
I know Anon, I'm not gonna defend the sales at all I'm just curious on everyone's opinion on the matter.
>>342026294
>It's a fucking fact that almost the entire Paper Mario fanbase hates Sticker Star
No it isn't. It's just a vocal minority shouting anyone who likes the game down. It will sell well because you can bully people into not sharing their enthusiam. But you can't bully people into buying the game, just like with Sticker Star.
>>342026294
>It's a fucking fact that almost the entire Paper Mario fanbase hates Sticker Star.
Mostly true. The thing though that some people did think the game did some good and had some potential. So there are people that aren't kick and screaming at the notion of an improved SS.
>>342026294
>I can't refute your facts and numbers, so I'll just, yet again, fall back on my entirely unsubstantiated anecdotal bullshit and tell you to fuck off
Riveting argument, absolutely riveting.
>>342026071
>that commercial
DUDE PAPER LMAO
Still not as bad as C'MON LET ME CAST A SPELL or Monster Hunter Tri's commercials.
>>342026210
Good green text pic related. Also /v/ isn't one person I hate when you vocal minorities always assume that. Here's how the conversation really played out:
>They sold the best in the series
>Sales numbers aren't indicative of anything you have to look at the attach rates
>Well they have worse attach rates than TTYD but SPM and SS did around the same as 64 and besides sales numbers are all that really matters
>Well yeah but they only sold well because of reasons a b and c and it won't work again for Color Splash
and now here we are.
>>342026071
Don't forget this cut-out stuff.
>>342026656
>if i keep calling this anecdotal, i don't have to refute it
Also, I was replying to >>342025352, how is that at all facts and numbers? I didn't even make the post he was replying to. Stop.
>>342026814
That marketing would probably do well nowadays with everyone making youtube videos.
Then again nobody buys magazines anymore.
>>342026814
that one was cute but ambiguous.
though to be fair isn't that they REFUSED to advertise it as an RPG? It's like Nintendo was still butthurt about losing Squaresoft to Sony.
>>342026784
>Well yeah but they only sold well because of reasons a b and c and it won't work again for Color Splash
Which is anecdotal and is not based on any measurable numbers or facts. I've just thrown numbers and facts at you repeatedly because numbers and facts aren't anecdotal or subjective.
But every single one is met with a bullshit anecdotal story about how all fans hate the game or most people who bought were little kids or something like that to invalidate the numbers and facts without actually refuting them. Those aren't facts and numbers, you can't back any of that up. What you can back up with facts and numbers, however, is that both SPM and SS sold well and had good attach rates relative to the series.
>>342000353
>Don't buy.
>Tell Nintendo to make TTYD HD
>Repeat #2 until TTYD HD exists.
>Buy TTYD HD
>Nintendo learns people like the older style Paper Mario games, and follow the model for the future.
There is a chance it could go:
>Don't buy
>Tell Nintendo to make TTYD HD
>Disappointing sales of Color Splash leads to Nintendo dropping the series entirely.
I'd say it's worth the risk.
>>342025549
>stay out of debates unless you have something worthwhile to add.
The reason I said this was because worthless hostility like
>Shhh, don't burst his bubble with numbers and facts
adds nothing to the discussion and makes you look bad.
>>342026071
>>342026814
I loved TTYD's commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvDzjy4j0ZI
>>342000353
I really wouldn't mind the game not being like the first two games. I liked SPM. I really do think that PM is more about the adventure and the excitement than the RPG mechanics.
That said, they've completely removed the adventure and excitement. There are no CURAYZEE plotlines, there are no unique characters. Everyone's a Toad, every villain is Bowser with [insert new paper-related power here]. They're not experimenting with it, they're not taking the series in a new direction, they're just NSMBifying it.
And even if it's not an RPG, the battle systems are just plain garbage. Hell, if you're going to have battle systems this shitty, get rid of battling entirely, just make it into puzzle solving and adventure. Only, wait, you've gotten rid of partners, which were an integral part of both puzzle-solving and adventure.
I didn't hate Sticker Star, but it had so much room for improvement, and they don't seem like they've improved it much at all. They've done a few token changes, but they haven't changed the underlying structure of it all. Toads, no partners, terrible battle system, uninteresting story. What is there to play this for? Fucking paper puns? Fuck off, Nintendo.
>People still use sales as a barometer of success
DMC2 was the best selling game of the PS2 DMC trilogy.
Any other company would've taken negative fan reaction and used that to build something better, while coasting off better brand recognition from higher sales.
But Nintendo basically copy-pastes the game and shits it out onto a poorly selling console.
>>342026854
>>if i keep calling this anecdotal, i don't have to refute it
It is anecdotal by the definition of the fucking word, you simpering shitwit.
>not necessarily true or reliable, based on personal accounts rather than facts or research
"All fans HATE Sticker star!" or "Only little kids bought the game" are completely anecdotal statements and are not based on any actual numbers or facts. It's an unreliable personal account. If you have numbers that back these up, then preset them. Because the numbers I have (sales figures and attach rates) say otherwise.
