How come there are no more Commandos games?
>>342000320
Because the general gaming public are retarded faggots with no patience or sense of strategic thinking.
If it's not a COD clone, then it won't be a success.
>>342000320
Too hard for casuals.
Also piratefags.
>>342000320
Publisher funding:
>will it appeal to a large audience?
No
>fuck off loser
Indie dev:
>is it low res pixel trash with "deep" pretentious story
No
>go away shitlord
Look up the studio. They merged with a mobile gaming company and do that now. That's the market
The market.
Why is this type of game dead while grand strategy is still alive?
>>342003603
>grand strategy alive
did you just woke up from coma recently?
Just leave it to me
>>342003874
Explain the thread on /vg/ then, along with Stellaris and HoI4 sales
>>342004051
>Stellaris and HoI4
those are strategy games?
>>342000320
because mobile gaming is the main market focus for money?
>>342004374
epic dude
>>342000320
The company who made those no longer exists OP.
>>342000320
The developers fell prey to the "Turn every franchise into an FPS" fad so prevalent during the x360 era, and died because of it.
>>342000320
some of the most beautiful isometric graphics that ever graced a screen
>>342007182
Not far from the truth.
![new_screeenies3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bzcNJHs.jpg "new_screeenies3[1].jpg")
>>342000320
well, they did release a first person commandos
it's called Signal Ops and it sorta works out
>>342008631
God what the fuck is that abomination.
>>342008631
Please tell me this made 15 years ago
>>342009296
>it's called Signal Ops
reading comprehension, anon
>>342000320
damn thats some fine art
>>342000320
not cinematic enough. plays too much like an RTS, and those are ded.
>>342000320
You might want to keep an eye on Shadow Tactics - Blades of Shogun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkSoSFn_or4
>>342009508
I'd have to lie to do that, it's barely 3 years old
>>342000493
>mfw Commandos 1 tutorial
Players today couldn't get past that, let alone actually difficult missions.
>>342009736
How can a game that's only 3 years old (and not an indie game) look like such a steaming pile of shit?
>>342000320
Gorgeous games, shame there exists so few of them. That's even counting all the Commandos-like games. They never even got their own sub genre which they clearly deserve. I guess real-time tactics is close enough.
>>342009949
pretentious hipster visuals. In this case low polygon low texture size, or even untextured. The 3D equivalent of retro pixel shit
>>342009296
I know what is that called,anon.I can read just fine.But still what the fuck.
>>342010110
The entire gaming industry needs a purge. The majority of modern games are utter garbage.
>>342000820
I actually think indie games have realized they need to also look good these days to be remembered and stand out. We're kinda past the early days when everyone was making a pixel performer of some kind.
>>342010341
that game's not a product of the industry. It's enthusiasts, having access to tools that used to be prohibitively expensive not long ago. For every 9 shitstains like that there's a gem out there, that would have been impossible a decade ago, not because we didn't have the tech, but because a smart and creative person couldn't afford it. Embrace the shit games. Don't play them, maybe point and laugh, if it makes you feel better. But embrace them, as a side effect of a developer environment that gives you the really cool shit.
>>342010637
Pretty much. People also tend to be unaware of how many publisher-funded big games get cancelled for variety of reasons. Or how many simply never get past the initial publisher pitch. Ask Obsidian, they know all about that.
>>342010637
>For every 9 shitstains like that there's a gem out there
Name 10 "gems" that have been released this year.
Pro tip: you can't.
I replayed the second one a couple of years ago and it was still great. The visuals have also aged really well. I tried replaying the third one but i didn't get into it. Perhaps i should try it again.
>>342009728
looks cool
>>342006260
Strike force had some charm to it though. The spy levels were fun enough even though they could hardly compete with the older games.
>>342000320
I want modern SC4 that looks like that
How is Commandos 3? I remember pirating it back in the day but never actually got to play it.
>>342011360
must be ridiculously difficult to do nowadays. Thanks to 4k displays you'd have to render the environments at insanely huge resolutions
I should probably mention Crookz. It doesn't really do well when you compare it to the commandos games. The levels and mechanics are far simpler than in the commandos games and i think that it suffers from that you can't knock out enemies and take over the maps as you could in the commandos games. But it is still fun enough and worth a look. I only wish that they would have made the maps a bit more interesting and filled them with more than a ton of switches.
>>342000320
This fucking level, man. This fucking level. So many ways to approach it and that's not even getting into all the Spy fun you can have.
>>342011249
Third games is absolute trash, Commandos 2 is without a doubt the pinnacle of the series.
If you want more, check out the Destination Paris mod for Commmandos 2, it's effectively a whole new game. re-purposed maps with completely new layouts, commandos, patrols objectives etc, new /re-worked abilities, weather plays a far greater role in the maps....and the difficulty is turned allllllllll the way up.
>>342012219
yeah, there are some lesser known games out there. people always bring up robin hood and desperados, but there's also star trek: away team and chicago 1930 which are of lesser quality overall. not like you have THAT many games to choose from so better lower those standards, though.
This is too hard of a game. Effectively unbeatable by normals on normal. It's harder than the SAT.
>>342010913
Why this year? That only shows that the year's been shit more than anything.
>>342012542
>Third games is absolute trash
Really? I always thought Destination Berin got unjust shit because people didn't like jump to 3D which made locations more confusing. I would need to replay it before confirming that opinion because it's been over ten years since I played it.
For the longest time i've wanted to make a throw back to Commandos 2 in the style of a bank robbing/heist game, equal parts stealth and all out tactical squad based combat with JA2 1.13 level gun/gear porn.
>>342013017
I don't think that they are truly hard it is just that they call for a slow and methodical playstyle. The thing that i really like about the games is how you are put into these large maps full of enemies but by taking it slow and pulling off one goal at the time you start to take over the entire map.
>>342011474
>>342012542
Haven't played the series in a long time, but I didn't think of C3 as trash. It was a lot more difficult and it felt like the map design funneled you through a specific route, but overall I still enjoyed it. C2 is by far the best though.
And that fucking level.
>>342012441
it's even crazier when you realize you can actually enter all those buildings and they have their own internal maps. shit, that submarine shipyard building would've probably been its own level in a lesser game.
>>342013048
>That only shows that the year's been shit more than anything.
You could apply that argument to any year
>2015
>That only shows that the year's been shit more than anything.
>2014
>That only shows that the year's been shit more than anything.
>2013
>That only shows that the year's been shit more than anything.
There's no denying that the vast majority of the gaming industry is producing shit.
>>342013438
I've always wanted to play it. I can't remember which one it was, but the tutorial mission has you getting off of a small raft and trying to take over this area with a lighthouse. I couldn't even make it to land without all four of my commandos dying. It's late 90's gaming at it's best.
>>342013120
The jump to 3D didn't bother me, it was the gross oversimplification of everything, levels became far, far smaller and down right linear at times, the player was afforded far less freedom with how they wanted to achieve objectives and the overall level of interactivity was dismal, commandos had fewer abilities, removal of hotkeys in favour of having to click shitty icons on the hud to do everything, a huge emphasis on making it more of an "action" focused game, rather than stealth and strategy.
It's hands down the worst the series has to offer.
>>342013862
>There's no denying that the vast majority of the gaming industry is producing shit.
indeed, there isn't, and nobody is. All people are saying is that the ability to produce insane amount of shit directly includes the ability to produce gold, if you care. Back when developing was expensive and complicated, only few people did it. They were always professionals, and did it to survive, which puts a bit of a lower bound on quality, but also on risk taking and experimental freedom. Nowadays everybody, including you and me, can do games. That means most of it will be utter shit, orders of magnitude worse than the most vile shit you can imagine. It also means the few cool dudes that really had a good idea and dedication, and couldn't do games before, can do them now. They'll be hard to find, under all the layers of shit, but you're on /v/. Someone will find cool stuff, post it, and word of mouth spreads.
>>342004040
Coming right over.Sir.
What was the most effective/OP item in the game?
Pic related for me, green beret + cigs = unbeatable combo.
>>342014523
Driver was sadly completely useless, except when he wasn't.
>>342013867
Commandos 2 have a lighthouse in its first "real" level so that might be it. They are all pretty cheap on gog right now if you are interested.
https://www.gog.com/game/commandos_2_3
https://www.gog.com/game/commandos_ammo_pack
>tfw i still remember playing the first one on Mplayer
>>342014615
That's the diver anon, not the driver. And we all know the diver was pretty great.
>swim underwater right up to your target for close kills
>harpoon gun for long range kills
>>342014597
Diver + 2 knifes + cigs = god mode
cause RTTs are fucking boring
>other people have played commandos 2
My niggas
Who was the best commando, and why it was Spy
>>342014442
>They were always professionals, and did it to survive
Back then they were the AAA developers. Nowadays the AAA developers are too busy producing shit, the same shit enthusiast game makers produce, but merely presented in a gold plated bucket.
So in the end we get shit, where some shit just looks nicer than others.
Commandos BEL was the first game I ever downloaded a demo for.
>100mb @4-5kb/s
my dad was pissed.
>>342014750
Bought, thanks for the info
Slightly different genre's, but for anyone that's enjoyed the Commandos series...
Door Kickers is excellent, worth every cent, tons of content, more of top down SWAT game than Commandos, but really enjoyable.
The Masterplan, pirate it and wait to see how development progresses, has a lot of potential, is pretty solid but could use a little refinement. More of an emphasis on controlling hairy situations rather than methodically disposing of threats, tense as fuck and very rewarding.
>>342000320
Because point and click adventures don't sell well these days.
>that diver bug where you picked up the inflatable boat while simultaneously ordered the other commandos to get on the boat
This resulted in all the commandos + the boat getting into the diver's backpack.
>>342000320
The same reason all good games die,
the developer didn't make enough money because everybody just pirated their game so they went back to being a full time doctor or lawyer.
>>342014860
The Diver was a fucking beast. in some missions you could find enough knives for him to take out a three man patrol silently, that combined with his grappling hook, scuba gear.......there was no where and nothing he couldn't do.
Lupin/Thief was always my favourite though, swinging around on power lines, climbing fucking anything and everything, full fucking ninja mode.
>>342015431
I miss the days where P&C adventure games were all the rage. Monkey Island series, Sam & Max series, Full Throttle, basically all Lucasarts games ever.
I wish I could go back in time and relive those days.
Commandos and Hidden & Dangerous were the shit. I miss tactical world war 2 games
>>342015860
Do you enjoy killing Nazis ?
>>342015739
I was more of a Sierra man myself, but yeah, those were great times.
>>342016118
>I was more of a Sierra man myself
masochist, heh?
>>342015380
Satelite Reign is another game worth checking out, very much a Syndicate meets Commandos style game. Solid stealth and tactical strategy components, open world, gets a little grindy/repetitive but is still a ton of fun.
I had no idea that commandos 2 had a console version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx6PUo2BbE8
>>342016118
Hmm, the one Sierra title I can remember was an old Robin Hood game. This is back in the days of the 486. Great game, but I was too young to make the most of it. I think Eternam was another Sierra title. That was fun, especially the open world areas that were in 3d and you could attack other players.
>>342000320
they fucking suck
>>342015950
Is that a rhetorical question?
>>342016118
Sierra had some weird experimental games back in the day when they weren't defining the genre. Keep in mind motherfucking Phantasmagoria was made and published by them, albeit somewhat later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GWENu6GN1c
>>342017142
phantasmagoria was fad chasing, not unlike what publishers do today
>>342017431
I think the problem is you can't really make FMV adventures look good no matter how much you try, or at least couldn't back then. They always came off as janky.
>>342017996
One of their major problems was production value. They were b-movie tier. But yes, filming people to act as sprites in photographic environments does not work. The modern mocap approach is disgusting, but sadly more functional. Of course the best solution is just not to blindly attempt photorealism, and instead make a good game
>>342010110
To be fair anon, that's usually not the developer being pretentious, it's that it's stupidly easy to do, and can be done on a small team that doesn't have the budget for a proper artist.
It's genuinely better than going for a realistic style and failing hard.
>>342000320
>>342010032
>>342012441
Jesus, that looks good. I can get keys so i might as well finally try.
>>342000320
Prerendered backgrounds is a top-tier video game art form.
>>342018571
problem is that they are victim of the fallacy that this style is "easier". It's not historic, and it's missing aspects that are absolutely vital at this detail level. As a result it does not look like an hommage, it does not look retro, it just looks bad. Same as with devs doing retro pixel shit (shit to distinguish it from rare but existent pixel art). If you're at the point that you're considering selling your game, consider hiring people to clean them up. Even if you stick to old school style, hire people that know their shit about old school style
>>342019004
Unfortunately, this is the real world, and niche ass games don't make enough to secure funding for a larger budget.
>>342019329
You don't need a "larger budget". Anything beyond "one man show in momma's basement" would be plenty
>>342018948
couple years back there was quite nice flash based MMO racing game. Top down, 2D, very solid physics. Sadly, it got killed, but its visuals were really pretty
>>342000320
commandos was one of the hardest games I ever played, and you can save scum it,I did play it on the PS2 though
>>342019329
The Forest was made by a small team of only 5 people. They didn't have a huge budget, but they managed to produce a game that looks and plays better than the shit Bethesda has produced. So there's no excuse for small teams with limited funding from producing something that looks and plays well.
>>342020175
probably works well on a console, due to the slow pace. Just sit back, relax, pick up the controller and take down some bad guys, one by one
>>342020314
people seem to be completely oblivious to the wide range of development opportunities between a $500 hobby project and a $50 million triple A turd
>>342018849
game is tough though anon, if it is not your genre you might get frustrated.
>>342000320
wouldn't you ay company of heroes is similar to commandos, well the combat. it is kind of influenced by it.
>>342020476
Once again, if something like The Forest can be produced on a low budget, then other developers have no excuse for putting out shit work.
>>342020715
I was fucking agreeing with you, idiot
>>342013867
Beyond the Call of Duty? That was like the super-difficult expansion pack to Commandos 1.
>>342020715
what do you mean 'no excuse'? the devs who make bad stuff just aren't as good. if you don't like that, then just shut the fuck up about it and don't buy their games.
>>342020954
>the devs who make bad stuff just aren't as good
they can hire someone who is
>don't buy their games
duh
>>342000493
>strategic thinking
>commandos
>>342010632
>indie games have realized they need to also look good these days
>
>>342020790
My bad, guess I misinterpreted what you wrote.
>>342020345
took me a week to get used to the key binds, I remember them being insanely complicated, it was multipress buttons. the manual was near big as a bible too.
I completed it though and played the game pure stealth, no kills until the last mission, I couldn't do it like that so went on a killing spree.
>>342020954
>if you don't like that, then just shut the fuck up about it
Imagine living in a world without opinions.
That's what you want.
>>342021203
>the manual was near big as a bible too
>>342021453
There's opinions, and then there's pure whining.
>>342020715
>if something like The Forest can be produced on a low budget
Yes, garbage can be produced on a low budget. Thanks for reminding everybody.
>>342021573
I respect your opinion, even if you are wrong.
I have never played a commando game. Where should I start and is it viable to play them in my bed on my shitty laptop with touchpad?
>>342021686
Yes, whiners generally don't think that they are whining.
>>342019828
More of that game, this time a touge-like map. These are just partial maps. The game had several different tracks on the same map, by putting up different barriers
>>342021712
Start at the beginning. They're ancient, they'll run on toasters and netbooks. Touchpad is plenty, they're not very hectic
>>342021573
There's a pretty big difference between opinions and whining, what's been stated in this thread so far isn't what I would call whining. The points raised are quite valid no matter how much disgree with them.
>>342021981
They're hectic in a sense that EVERYTHING ALWAYS GOES TO SHIT
CONSIDER IT DONE
>>342022212
>There's a pretty big difference between opinions and whining
LOL
There isn't even a difference because whining is the way a resentful little faggot voices their opinion. And saying shit like "videogames are complete shit now" is definitely it.
Why don't you fags fuck off to /vr/ or something if nostalgia is the only happiness you losers can feel in a world that has completely forgotten you.And it has forgotten you for a reason.
>>342022351
but like a molasses avalange, everything goes to shit quite slowly
>>342021823
you can defend shit games as much as you want it still doesn't change the fact tey are shit games
>>342022578
Resorting to ad-hominem attacks doesn't help your case. I actually feel kind of sorry for you...
>>342022632
Sorry that everything tastes like shit to you anon.
>>342022860
>thinks this is a debate
I am mocking you anon. There is no arguing with subhumans. Have a good day of whining on the internet!
>>342021872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXodqAk3pP4
the game in motion
>>342022871
c'mon you can do better than that, I would have thought by now you'd have some decent material, what with all the neetbucks you've spent on being a virgin recluse
>>342023004
LOL
He runs away thinking he """""won"""""
What does /v/ think of Robin Hood?
>>342023478
cool dude, takes from the productive people in society and gives to people in neet
>>342023478
I have no idea what this is. Please enlighten me senpai
>>342020918
I think I also played a demo mission of that. It was a seriously fuckhuge map where your guys started out in a town crawling with guards, and you had to get them through it, past a forest also crawling with guards, and have the spy disguise himself and drive off with a Nazi officer way on the other side. I couldn't even comprehend how to do that since the officer gets picked up by his actual driver after about 20 minutes and you lose.
>>342023679
it's a commandos style game, only that you play as robin hood in the middle ages. It's missions are more non linear. It's very fun if you like the genre
>>342023607
the aristocrats surely were the most productive people in feudal society
>>342024356
their money and insane demands kept the economy running, just like today. Besides, I needed an opposite for neets, and figured successful bakers and blacksmiths aren't exactly poor, so they're legitimate targets for robin's hood
>>342023885
You were supposed to kill the guy and he escapes if you cause an alarm outside the first area.
I remember taking the car with spy so he couldn't enter it and when he tried to run I fucked him up with the tank's turret.
>>342023607
No, robin hood wasn't a commie, he only attacked the people who took taxes unlawfully.
>>342027124
that's what his friends claimed anyway
>>342000320
such a great game, loved the levels.
And great unusual settings for WW2 games.
>>342015950
no I like to tie them up with rope
>>342027618
kinky
I had a dodgy pirated version of commandos 1, I could not save at all. I began to give up during the African missions but suddenly reached a kind of zen videogame enlightenment and beat the rest of the game easily with no saves
Anyone else nostalgia over the dam mission on the demo disks? I can still hear the dynamite ticking
Thanks for reminding me about these games. I had forgotten I bought them a few months ago, and had beaten them as a kid. Reinstalling as we speak.
>>342020314
I think Bethesda just struck gold with their TES formula and haven't moved since aside from simplifying said formula with each new installment. You seriously have to wonder what they do during development.
>>342020630
>wouldn't you ay company of heroes is similar to commandos, well the combat. it is kind of influenced by it.
Not really. Games like Commandos, Desperados, etc should really be their own RTT/puzzle genre of some kind.
>>342021712
LEARN YOUR HOTKEYS
You'll especially need them if playing with a touchpad.
>>342016393
long loading times, but better controls than on pc
