I never understood the point of arguing or getting mad over bikini armor in video games. Those are worn in a fantasy setting for a reason. Because it's fantasy. Instead you get the same tired argument that objects are being treated like women, but how come the same thing doesn't apply to men? I've never seen anyone bitch about Conan or the type of clothes he's wearing yet you get campaigns to change a cover of an rpg title because the female is showing a belly button, like it's something that rpgs and especially mmorpgs never did before decades ago.
>objects are being treated like women
10/10
Massive amounts of autism. There's some weird demographic of autists that like medieval shit so much they get offended by bikini armor.
>>341983387
Were those people also offended by EYE?
>>341981798
I think it's just because of how overdone it is, clearly only to spike sexual interest (for sales) that fantasies work their 'logic' around, and in those same games men usually tend to wear somewhat better practical armor, whereas Conan-style games have both genders ill-armored.
Still good for a proper fap and all, but I wouldn't mind some smarter bitches too.
>>341983820
People criticize big-tit sorceresses too.
>>341983769
I am offended by people liking this turd
>>341984084
Out. Get out.
>>341984078
>faggots criticize
fix that for you
>>341981798
I'm only sort of annoyed if it's not cosmetics-only
I just like my parties dress properly. Well unless they are barbarians
Because fat tumblrinas hate when their self-insert has a flat stomach.
>>341981798
Maybe I want my female character to have a thick and heavy suit of armor she can barely move around in. Why can't I have that as an option?
>>341981798
>how come the same thing doesn't apply to men?
Just another male fantasy.
>>341984809
I highly doubt you want that.
>>341984809
>I want my female character to barely move around
Your bondage fetish is a niche market.
>>341984937
Dude. Fetishes doesn't only works on scantily clad anything.
Seriously
>>341984812
This is the part where some gamergate faggot posts a picture of a bunch of tacky women's erotic literature, even though 99% of those works is constituted by the woman's imagination.
>>341984809
Same thing for me. That is why I hate Tera, no actual armor sets for females.
Fantasy doesn't justify bad design. This might surprise you since you never leave your room and jack off so frequently, but not everyone wants constant pornography.
>>341984937
Because you're a hormone raging teenager who can't be entertained unless he's thinking about sex
>>341985107
Why not just play as a guy then? It would literally be the same thing since you wouldn't be able to tell who is inside that heavy armor and could play pretend.
>>341985240
Can't believe a thread could offend someone like that, but there it is.
>>341985129
What is Teen Wolf and Supernatural?
>>341985262
Why play a video game then? You could just watch Game of Thrones with an unplugged controller.
>>341981798
Not enough MMOs have plate dresses, my actual fetish for armor. Something like Sabre wears.
>>341981798
>>341985240
>Fantasy doesn't justify bad design
Does the armor have stats on it like +1 int or +2 str?
Then it's magic enchanted. Are you saying we can't have magic in fantasy settings?
depends on the game really
>>341985506
Guild Wars 2
WoW
>>341985327
That's not offended, disagreeing with someone isn't being offended.
How often a day do you talk to people that you take that as being offended, or are you too busy posting on message boards and reading through news article comment sections to show off how red pilled you are?
>>341985345
You notice there how the sexual attraction of these characters is not derived solely from them being a piece of meat but also from being competent, successful people in addition to being hot?
That's what you people never understand, the issue isn't sex, the issue is the nature of the shit you're getting off to. Go ahead and try to defend lolis and Rance though.
>>341981798
When it comes to bikini armour, if its a wizard or backline class, fine whatever.
But if its a tank class in full plate getting smashed in the face with a hammer, then I kinda want some armour on the bitch.
>>341985506
Runescape.
>box shows half-naked barbarian Fabio
>character sprite is some cartoon knight in full plate
I can't imagine all the housewives that were disappointed when they bought this game for their kids.
>>341985129
Women's romance books are weird
>>341985785
>You notice there how the sexual attraction of these characters is not derived solely from them being a piece of meat but also from being competent, successful people in addition to being hot?
They are topless in every episode , give me a break.
>>341985785
Wait, what's wrong with Rance?
>>341985815
I bet you hate when a loli overpowers a grown man too.
Because nerds want games to be taken seriously (hurr durr these armors are not realistic), this unfortunately opens the floodgate of white knights and SJWs.
>>341986047
Eh, I've seen midgets beat up roid apes before in real life, so not really.
>>341986092
I care less about realism as I do about something just not looking very good.
>>341985262
A male character wouldn't be as fabulous.
>>341985586
I didn't say anything about how parctical the armor was or isn't. I'm talking about bad art design.
Pic related is a prime example. It's a horrible mash of colors and pieces of clothing that have no place being together aside from focus testing "what teenage boys find hot" and throwing it all together. Now compare it to the outfits of Kill La Kill, these outfits are still absurdly sexual and made to titillate, but at least there's some visual coherency to their outfits.
For the record - not a fan of either show, but given they share a lot of the same crew they make for an easy comparison.
Before the retards took over, it wasn't people getting mad because a woman was in a bikini. It was people annoyed that there were no other options other than bikini.
It's like character designers spend hours crafting unique male characters with different types of bodies, costumes, looks etc; and then decide to throw in the same big tittied bimbo type with no thought put into her. A nun character looks and dresses no different from a character who's job it is to suck dicks at the ye old glory hole.
It's not sexist, it's just fucking lazy.
>>341986157
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
If you don't like naked healthy looking bitches, it's your problem.
It's the same as nobody recognizing superman because he is wearing glasses. It's absurd, yet this is a comic about a guy who lift planes like nothing. It's easier to believe what is impossible than what is improbable. Yes, the armor is magic. But at no point they say the armor is magically enchanted so it protects your whole body.
But really, it depends on game mood. If the game
1. Doesn't take itself seriosly
2. Has characters that are so fucking powerful that armor does nothing, and they wear it for pure fashion
Then it's fine.But IMO realistic armor is sexy and fashion as fuck.
Honestly badly designed armor hurts more than boob armor. Yes boob armor serves no purpose, but also does you no bad. People did silly things in the past just to look good, of course if you are awesome you want to boast it.
But if your armor is badly designed (wrong shaped joints, waist too low, besagews as fucking pivots for the pauldrons) then it's actually fucking you over because you can't move in it. Another thing I hate is when the game takes itself super seriously, like some super reslistic fantasy, but then presents ridiculous badly designed or just plain wrong armor. But it's grey and has no spikes, so it must be realistic... right?
I love armor, I own armor and I study armor. Honestly, from my experience, japanese games usually get it right, when they try. Westerns, even when they are trying, usually get it wrong.
>>341986427
What?
So you are saying ALL female characters before only wear bikini armor? Because that's false.
>>341986427
This
>>341986520
I only hate it when it's pretty much the only option of equipment, like Tera, or the armor is pretty much the only thing ever discussed or posted about said game.
>>341986625
Armor autist is even worse than gun autist, because at least the gun autist knows what they are talking about.
Now, you LARPers are a joke.
>>341986642
So you should only a very small set of games.
>or the armor is pretty much the only thing ever discussed or posted about said game.
What? You get mad about discussion now?
I can't help you on this.
>>341986337
Everyone hate bad art, so that's besides the point.
You can make some blog posts about it.
>>341986726
Nice argument you got there. You're just one step below smug anime face.
>>341985586
In any case heavy armor should always provide better defense than an equivalent level piece of light or cloth armor. The problem arises when a game completely foregoes having heavy armor and your only option is battle lingerie.
>>341986625
Anon understands. It doesnt work everywhere and shouldnt be used in everything like randy little shits want, it brings a different tone to the game and not always in a good way. With things like Mount and Blade, Dark Souls and Witcher games it doesnt work, it drastically changes the tone from a visceral and believeable setting to a more goofy fun loving one, again, neither is bad but both have their place. Complement the gameplay using the aesthetic, dont just do it for the sake of doing it.
>>341981798
Women experience discomfort when other more beautiful women take the spotlight from them. She knows that that the male's attention and thus resources will not go towards her and instead shift towards the more attractive woman should he have to chose.
This happens with virtual women as well because the brain doesn't differentiate between pixels and reality if the virtual representation is close enough, thus the sense of discomfort is manifested even though there is no threat or competition coming from a software running on a PC.
Coming to this realization, the person in question must now explain their sense of discomfort, somehow.
Enter 'objectification' , 'unrealistic standards' , 'misogyny' etc..
>>341986625
>japanese games usually get it right, when they try. Westerns, even when they are trying, usually get it wrong
Which is really bamboozling because you'd expect it'd be the other way around.
>>341986337
Now you are being a fashion-fag. If the majority of the audience likes it then it's proper design.
Not to mention that the design you presented is pretty much iconic at this point , thus a trend-setter.
>>341986907
Haha, he explained his point, go write a blog post since you can articulate yourself!! Hahaha!
>>341986909
It's not even an argument.
You LARPers have never fought in armor, have never seen anyone actually fighting in armor, you are just reciting what historians say and base on old books.
You are not smart or wiser than the average pervert, you just have an armor fetish.
>>341986626
I see you need the tl;dr version:
Developers are lazy when it comes to female character design and this annoys people.
/v/ gets triggered when females have anything but bikini armor and get upset when females are decked in proper armor, etc. Horizon Zero Dawn reaction here
The majority of the gaming community do care and want a little diversity when it comes to such things, so calm down neckbeards
>>341986427
They spend more hours on women fashion in games , don't be ignorant.
>>341987148
His point is I don't like bad art.
Fucking duh.
>>341986970
Basically this. Thanks for summing it up so perfectly.
>>341986998
I hate a theory about this:
Look how japan makes japanese armor. It's the craziest shit and it makes no sense whatsoever.
Now look how west makes japanese armor. It's almost realistic.
Get it? For westerns, plate armor isn't exotic enough so they make it crazy. But samurai armor already looks crazy and exotic, so you don't need to change it.
For japanese people, it's the opposite. Plate armor already looks exotic.
>>341987060
>>341987060
>Not to mention that the design you presented is pretty much iconic at this point
Print off that picture, take it to your place of work or school or wherever it is you go. Point and ask people to identify that character and what they are from. Most people will say "I don't know" and "Looks like some Japanese porn should I call the FBI"
You spent too much time on the internet.
>>341986983
forgot to add:
>but how come the same thing doesn't apply to men?
Men compete primarily through resource acquisition and looks/beauty second. That can take many forms, all end up to money in our current society.
Women can only compete with looks.
>>341987162
What people? You and the other armor autists?
The SJWs?
I don't care.
![rathian_blademaster_relic_thumb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gT3Su21.jpg "rathian_blademaster_relic_thumb[1].jpg")
>>341985506
Not mainly an MMO but MH has you covered
>>341986925
Not if powerful enchant costs outscale armor material costs.
(I've been DMing for way too long , don't mind me)
>>341987231
My point was people dislike bikini armor in MMOs because they are bad designs that focus on teenage titillation over proper design, literally answering the question of the thread, which I guess made you uncomfortable.
>>341986983
Your whole argument is flawed because women are attracted to confident and successful men. Men who sit around looking at anime porn aren't confident or succesful, so women aren't attracted to them enough to feel threatened anyway.
>>341986998
I imagine Eastern designers will actually put in the effort to learn the intricacies of armor design before producing something, while Westerners are more likely to wing it due to a more common sense of familiarity to the subject.
>>341987060
I live in a big city and on some backwater village so it's fine.
>>341987431
So again, they dislike bikini armor because it's "teenage titillation".
Nice to know.
This is why people don't take SJWs seriously. Normal people don't care about this shit.
>>341984809
>>341986280
I hate that the helmet is basically attached to the chestpiece and doesn't let your characters head move around.
>>341987431
>people dislike bikini armor
No they don't.
>>341987592
No, they dislike it cause it looks like fuckin shit literally can't make this any simpler.
>>341987682
No, if it looks like fucking shit, normal people wouldn't buy games with bikini armor.
>>341987678
Yes they do. Just look around this thread and the numerous others around /v/. It's the top complaint about Korean MMOs
>>341987682
Look at OP's image and tell me it looks shit.
>>341987604
Yeah, those sets have barely any head movement. My character couldn't even look directly at the enemies they were fighting.
>>341987803
Even in this shithole, the "people" who dislike bikini armor are severely outnumbered by people who do like them.
Do you want a poll?
>>341987803
(You)
>>341985785
>Go ahead and try to defend lolis and Rance though.
Not that guy. But the typical characters of Rance are actually far, far better characterized than the typical character of CW's young adult romance dramas.
>>341987440
Men were never the argument in question here.
>>341987803
>It's the top complaint about Korean MMOs
Top complaint? I thought it was the only reason people play Korean MMOs. Don't tell me people actually enjoy the gameplay.
>>341987769
and they don't. Terra went free to play same with damn near every other Korean MMO. Find me a binkini armor game that sold more than Dark Souls/Demon Souls/Bloodbourne or Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim (most people who play these games have not used mods, fewer use porn mods).
Sex is often used to target a small and fanatical demographic to turn a high profit off a niche market and merchandising. Just look at modern Anime and you can see this business model in full swing in reaction to a dwindling youth market in Japan.
>>341987440
>Your whole argument is flawed because women are attracted to confident and successful men. Men who sit around looking at anime porn aren't confident or succesful, so women aren't attracted to them enough to feel threatened anyway.
If that's true then this is even more embarrassing and pathetic for those who take issue with unrealistic armors in video games.
It's literally 'god hates fags' tier of being annoyed with stuff that has no impact on their lives.
>>341987803
>It's the top complaint about Korean MMOs
No I'm pretty sure the top complaint about koreans MMOs is that they're shitty grindfests
>>341988138
Monster Hunter is a bikini armor and it sells more than any realistic armor games.
>>341987440
The point is the attention.
And perhaps not all men who watch anime or play /v/idya are unattractive shutins with no social skills or charms.
Yeah what a mind-blowing variable to take into account anon.
Your whole argument is flawed because you assume women are competing for the males.
They're competing for the attention.
>>341981798
I don't know what kind of gay circles you make to argue this type of thing but stop being such a fucking faggot anon
>>341988326
Keep dumping pls
>>341981798
Women =/= pixels on my screen.
There. That's literally everything that needs to be said to shut down any further discussion on this subject.
>>341988387
The gay circle is here.
They literally think bikini armor is unfashionable.
>>341984809
I want to be a billionaire and never work a day in my life. I can't have that, so I either kill myself or stop dreaming like a retard. Why don't you do the same?
It's more because it only appeals to horny 14 year olds
>>341988408
But even real women wear bikini armor, anon.
>>341988518
Yeah, these 14 actually buy games.
>>341988523
>>341988305
Monster Hunter's sales come almost exclusively from Japan and can't even begin to touch Skyrim's 20 million.
In addition, Monster Hunter provides options, while most Korean Armor and Bikini mmos do not.
>>341988378
>They're competing for the attention.
They are, just not from the losers who watch anime porn. QED, your argument is dogshit
nice goal post shifting tho
>>341985506
Same here, really liked Dark Souls 3 for having this armor on the pic, wished the cloth part in the front wasn't open
Last one because I'm tired. Hope you faggots enjoyed the short dump of sexy armor.
>>341981798
My gripe with bikini armor is mostly:
I don't care much for fanservice, if I want porn I look at porn. Overusing fanservice is often an indicator that a game has nothing else going for it.
I want to have well-designed armor sets, something to actually look at. Having 3 square-inches of "armor" covering your character or an NPC is just less actual "stuff" there.
>>341985240
>Liking sex means you're immature
Sex is the reason we're here in the first place. Get your head out of your ass.
>>341988636
WoW at a point had all cast at bikini armor, at that point it had a billion subscribers.
You can't beat that.
>>341988728
If you want to have well-designed armor sets, go to the museum, it's not vidya where you should be looking at.
The purer something is, the better it feels to corrupt it. Those women with skimpy clothing/armor do my dick no good, stinks of used goods.
>>341988658
Women don't care from where the attention is coming, they're like shitposters wantings (you)s. If there's something more attractive than then, they'll bitch and bitch until it's gone.
It's like that older saying about how if a man sees a mountain, he'll struggle to try to climb it. While a woman will bitch that it's too high and unreachable and then claim that the current point she is the new summit.
>>341988728
Just because you prefer armor to women doesn't mean that that is worse than the other. It only means you are an armor fetishist.
>>341981798
The funny thing is if you get a talented artist or designer you can make women look even more alluring by wearing lots of clothes. Might show people, that sexual desire isn't as simple as just tits.
>>341988878
This might surprise you, but not everyone thinks about sex every moment in their life. Might want to seek some professional help about that.
>>341988923
That's kind of a well-duh.
Zero-suit Samus is technically fully-clothed.
>>341988702
thank you, found the tumblr of the artist, going to save them myself senpai
>>341988923
examples please. For research of course...
>>341989002
Thankfully, no one sees bikini = SEX SEX SEX.
>>341988878
The thing is, I have no problem with skimpy armor if it makes sense in context. But having skimpy armor on women, while having normal, functional armor on men means that the person writing/designing that setting was ready to compromise internal consistency to please those who want fanservice.
In those contexts it's a breach of the willing suspension of disbelief, no different than other ass-pulls in regards to the fictional world.
>>341989002
Most men do and it's the healthy thing to do. Try some hormone therapy anon.
>>341985785
>You notice there how the sexual attraction of these characters is not derived solely from them being a piece of meat but also from being competent, successful people in addition to being hot?
Yeah, because girls get off on sex AND money. Guys just need sex, we're simple creatures.
I hate bikini armor because I hate bikinis.
There's something about the excessive amount of bare skin that makes it less attractive to me.
I need more female characters in skintight bodysuits.
>>341989112
So you have problems with women with bikini armor, but you have no problems with women in actual combat at all.
So much for suspension of disbelief.
>>341988763
>everything needs to be about sex all the time
>if you ever get tired of it you clearly dislike sex
It's like you people aren't even trying anymore.
>>341989187
Finally someone with taste.
>>341988923
sexuality is not the reason people call things objectifying. Beyonce's self titled album is often called empowering while being one of the most sexual albums ever written. It's how the sex is framed that's the issue, it's the different between Beyonce's Blow and Spear's Innocent.
Don't even know why I'm bothering to explain this to a website that loves to post about literal children and rape games
>>341989112
That's a fare argument that is not being given when feminists bitch and moan about these things. And it's usually "remove the sexy" , not "add sexy dudes too"
itt faggots and landwhales
Who cares what video game people wear, you autistic cunts?
>>341987157
this is beyond retarded
>>341981798
It suspends disbelief in 90% of the cases where bikini armor is present. The Japanese are real dumbshits when it comes to this kind of thing.
Though the cosplayers seem to love it. Any excuse to walk around half naked in public in front of thirsty virgins.
>>341989258
Don't go to the beach anon, you might have sex with everyone there because they show some bare skins.
>>341989193
Thanks for showing us how much of an idiot you are and how you have absolutely no clue about what you're talking.
Please go back to school study ancient history to find out the actual reason women didn't fight in combat.
Not the guy you're arguing with by the way.
>>341989352
Cosplayers are sluts, so of course they love it.
>>341989258
Fanservice is fun. There's nothing wrong with it unless you're a prude who takes offense in seeing something that appeals to your male senses.
>>341988658
I didnt shift any goal post dumbass. It's always about the attention. How old are you?
And you obviously still don't comprehend my point.
It's about the attention, dumbass.
PERIOD.
It doesn't matter where from, just where to. And don't get me started on your generalizing all gamers as socially inept shutins. That meme may prove true on this board but get out into the real world and take a breath of fresh air. Even normies call themselves gamers these days.
The only dogshit here is your brain. Try not to make to many assumptions and take more variables into account. Maybe you'll one day actually be correct about something.
>>341989312
That's not fair argument.
The fags who whine about muh female warriors who never wear armor never whine about the fact female warriors are horseshit.
>>341989148
No, they don't.
When people say "I like dogs" other people don't normally asume that the person must have a fetish for dogs. By extension, if someone were to say "I like armor" no one is going to accuse him of "having an armor fetish."
Please seek help for your porn addiction, it can lead to impotence.
>>341989193
At the extreme end, yeah, the consequence would be that women only end up in combat roles as often as they did/do in reality. But frankly, that's boring.
Women in combat roles did happen throughout history. Women in combat roles dressing up like a Victoria's Secret model? Doubtful.There'd be pictures.
As an example, there's a desert kingdom in a given fantasy world, with a sorta Gerudo-like people. Having the women wear somewhat skimpy clothing/armor would make sense if the men were similarly clothed (i.e. bare-chested).
>>341988871
Agreed. I'm going to steal that comparison next time an opportunity arises.
>>341989454
Wait, see, I thought it was okay to do anything the audience wanted since this was fantasy. When did this stop being fantasy? Oh right when it didn't justify the horseshit you like.
I like my armor with elves.
>>341989385
The actual reason women didn't fight in combat is because they are weaker than men, their cunts bleed monthly and are better breeding than bleeding to death in a battlefield.
Any video games that show them as honest "veteran" warriors discard these ideas and are obvious fantasies.
>>341989410
You really think that's the case?;]
>>341988871
>It's like that older saying about how if a man sees a mountain, he'll struggle to try to climb it. While a woman will bitch that it's too high and unreachable and then claim that the current point she is the new summit.
That's not an old saying you were raised in a very troubling home
>>341988878
>>341988728
Overuse of skimpy armor is usually a red flag for shitty games. Most MMOs do this and most MMOs are pure shit.
I don't know why, but skimpy armor is usually tacked on with grindbaby games.
>>341989431
Not that guy, and I agree it is, but there are times when fanservice can get in the way. Like Quiet in MGV literally shoving her ass in your face when you're flying a chopper. Fanservice is great when used in moderation or at the appropriate times.
>>341988490
>I can't have that
Not with that attitude.
Enjoy living a life devoid of ideals.
>>341989524
The women in combat roles in actual history (i.e. the various tribal conflicts in Africa probably involved women) wore less than a bikini, they were naked savage.
>But frankly, that's boring.
So it's a matter of opinion now, is it.
You like women in armor, I like women in bikini.
>>341988871
>>341989438
>Women don't care from where the attention is coming
>It doesn't matter where from, just where to.
Go up to the next woman you see at a bus stop and see how much attention she wants from your faggot NEET ass.
>>341989676
So they can sell figures. Look what happened to Fire Emblem when its sales got low, they took on a more modern anime art style and sold a Thraja figure.
>>341989457
>Please seek help for your porn addiction, it can lead to impotence.
http://yourbrainonporn.com/selected-testosterone-research
>>341989643
Yes and no. Physical strength and resilience were one factor, the other, and perhaps more important one, is gender rarity value.
If you have more (surviving) female, your "group" can repopulate faster.
That's what makes men "expendable", why masculinity must be "earned" and femininity is inherently "posessed".
>>341988923
>>341988923
True.
Girls in sundresses are infinitely cuter.
>>341989574
The audience want bikini armor.
>>341989319
Well if you don't care lets dress everyone like a stereotypical urban youth with a bunch meme tattoos.
>>341989824
That's what I said.
>their cunts bleed monthly and are better breeding than bleeding to death in a battlefield.
Unless somehow men can have babies in your fantasy world, your women warriors are horseshit, fanservice pandered to nerds and now SJWs.
>>341989792
Another bad game and babies first strategy game that relies on skimpy armor to survive.
>>341989643
>The actual reason women didn't fight in combat is because they are weaker than men
There is stronger women than men, because some men are weak. Even then, a strong woman would never fight, but even a weak men had to fight. Even then, weapons are equalizers. It a woman shots you and a man shots you, it's the same.
I'll give you a tip: Most women who fought were sterile. Try to think really hard, try using some logic for once.
I don't know how gay you have to be to prefer bikini armor to this.
>>341989319
>Pffsh, who even cares about "character design" or gay stuff like that?
>>341989832
Then - again - explain why weeb games sell like ass? If the audience truly wants these things, why did Dark Souls and Bloudborne outsell booby ninjas?
>>341989960
Wat the fuck are you saying?
>>341989914
That's the opposite of what you said.
>>341989914
Or it's a suspension of realism you're willing to accept because it makes your game more interesting/accessible to a general audience.
>>341989629
>"Oni chan why do you want to put your face near my butt? It's really hot and sweaty from sparring all day.."
>>341989750
But those men were naked savages too. That's hardly a valid comparison to cultures that had armor.
>>341989960
Read the second part of the phrase you just quote, you fucking retard.
>Even then, weapons are equalizers. It a woman shots you and a man shots you, it's the same.
Yeah, which is why the military is half 50/50 men and women nowadays, and why feminization of the military isn't cancerous.
>I'll give you a tip: Most women who fought were sterile. Try to think really hard, try using some logic for once.
Proof of this shit? Women fighting is a rare case, I doubt you have documented that they are actually sterile.
>>341990056
That this fucking bullshit captcha makes me so mad I can't write.
>>341989960
TUMBLRFAG DETECTED
MALE FEMINIST DETECTED
>>341984618
I want to rub something on that stomach
>>341989852
I'm currently playing Infamous SS and yeah fucking hipsters and shit. Granted it takes place in Washington.
>>341989852
That dude is seriously wearing like $2,000 worth of swag.
>>341990017
Dark Souls and Bloodborn are weeb games too, and they don't sell at that well, compared to say, Monster Hunter.
>>341990150
What happens to the next generation if most women die?
What happens to the next generation if most men die?
Women didn't fight because they weren't expendable, men were, not because they were weaker or any of that shit.
>>341990112
Yeah, because women fighting is interesting, but suddenly women fighting in bikini is not.
Gotcha.
We got SJWs here.
>>341988203
>that they're shitty grindfests
I wish, they've become shitty questfests instead nowadays.
>>341989960
They may have been strong but they don't have inherent combat intelligence. Nature made things this way with good reason. Why people try to go against it is beyond me.
>>341990369
Women fighting it's possible and doable, even if it's rare.
Bikini armor doesn't work and it will never will. It's pointless and looks silly.
>We got SJWs here.
Nice argument.
>>341990294
They're pretty westaboo and pull from a lot of folklore and stories, same shit with Berserk.
>>341990334
It's a combination of the fact they are weaker and they can breed, like I said.
This doesn't destroy the point, if your game is intended to imitate real life, it shouldn't have women warriors or any sort of bullshit.
>>341990490
But if you train a woman for combat she still works. Yes she's not as good as a men who received the same training, but she's not useless. Some people are just amazing.
Bikini armor is useless.
>>341990369
>having a wider choice in characters is bad
As I've said before, having females in fighting roles is more believable than having females in fighting roles while wearing a stripper-outfit.
All fantasy is a break from reality, the question is where you draw the line in what breaks the internal logic of the world you're building.
As I've pointed out here >>341988728 bikini-armor is more often than not a lazy cop-out to sell you shit by dressing it up with "sexy" in order to bypass your higher brain-functions.
>We got SJWs here.
Whelp, forget it then. If you're chosing to be delusional or a troll then so be it.
>>341990496
Women have fought butt naked, saying bikini armor doesn't work is frankly, unrealistic.
>Nice argument.
It's not an argument because we are not having an argument here.
You like your shitty armor and women fantasy, I like my bikini.
>>341990619
>But if you train a woman for combat she still works.
a female warrior is just as useful as bikini armor
>>341981798
I don't understand why people make a big deal over half the things they do honestly. If he/she looks good, why not show off a bit? Isn't the point of video games to do things that you can't normally do in real life? I can only assume such autism has religious roots.
I feel as Tera did this perfectly, everyone had slut armor, men and female alike.
>>341990294
We've been through this already.
1. Monster Hunter gives you options. The complaints against bikini armor games is that they often give you no choice at high level, you have to walk around naked. That's the complaint about bikini armor.
2. Monster Hunter is non-existent outside of Japan. Dark Souls sold 2.5 million outside of Japan not counting pc sales since there's not an easy way to figure that out. Meanwhile the best selling Monster Hunter game sold 1.38 million outside of Japan.
>>341990752
Among other things
>>341990619
>bikini armor
if we were in the era of crossbows, I'd rather run around in bikini armor than bulky shit
>>341981798
>you get the same tired argument that objects are being treated like women, but how come the same thing doesn't apply to men?
it took you this long to find out that feminism is pure hipocrisy?
The problem is obvious. Women have stupid boobs that get in the way and it would take more metal to cover them and they're like, nah fuck it, just expose the cleavage, we gotta save resources.
Obviously why bikini armor exists.
>>341986983
Certainly not without merit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDQVLuBbiw
>>341990715
It makes no difference to me because women in fighting role is already an unrealistic concept, borderlines fanservice (because women warrior is a sexy character type).
Your brain got triggered because of bikini armor, I already give up at the women warrior.
>bikini-armor is more often than not a lazy cop-out to sell you shit by dressing it up with "sexy" in order to bypass your higher brain-functions.
But it's totally okay for the woman warrior to exist because it's "interesting", also "bypassing your higher brain-functions". Yeah nah, as said, I think you are a SJW trying to justify his fantasy.
>>341990831
Guess you have some kind of death wish.
>>341990809
Ah, Baraka.
A shame I couldn't get my Baraka Lancer over level 20 because I couldn't get over the strange barefoot shit.
Aman'i were pretty rad though.
>>341990926
I guarantee you a female athlete could kick your ass
>>341990725
>Women have fought butt naked
At a time and place where proper armor did not exist. Having them wear next to nothing, while the rest of their enviroment is clad in plate-armor is bullshit that breaks the suspension of disbelief.
It has no purpose except trying to distract you from the game's flaws.
>>341990731
>a female warrior is just as useful as bikini armor
t. a shitposting couch-potato who'd get his ass handed to him by any female soldier who passed the physical training
>>341990587
But most games don't imitate real life.
It doesn't need to be 100% realistic or 100% fantasy bullshit. There's middle grounds.
Bikini armor is 100% fantasy.
Women fighting is just rare and unpractical. But it's possible, and anyone who practices HEMA knows that speed > strength.
>>341990731
That's just not true.
>>341990831
You can't carry a huge crossbow strong enough to pierce armor around. You'd be arrested.
>>341990791
That's wrong. The complaint 90% of the time is that bikini armor exists at all.
>>341990791
>The complaints against bikini armor games is that they often give you no choice at high level, you have to walk around naked.
Then this doesn't mean you dislike bikini armor, you dislike the fact the game doesn't have a diversity in armor, which is a valid complaint.
>Monster Hunter is non-existent outside of Japan.
And? It doesn't matter which audience, and let's not forget fucking WoW now.
>We'll never have a AAA non-asian title with attractive women again
I'm sad
>>341991136
Prove it
>>341991010
I'm waiting.
>>341988701
Wished it fucking had the cloak. Why wasn't it included?
>>341991024
>who passed the physical training
any shitposting couch-potato could pass military female physical training
>>341990743
>Isn't the point of video games to do things that you can't normally do in real life?
I'm pretty sure more people have access to bikinis as opposed to armor.
It depends. MH bikini armor looks good. Korean MMO bikini armor looks terrible.
>>341991173
Overwatch.
>>341991025
>You can't carry a huge crossbow strong enough to pierce armor around.
What? Why do you think crossbows were so majorly used against bows in the medieval eras? Because they could at least get past 1 ~ 3 inches (you'd need 3 inches to damage vital organs) of steel armor.
>>341987403
MH series does armour right. Bith men and women hunters can choose slut armour. Or practical armour. Or pimp as fuck armour. Ir spikey doom armour.... etc. Females get better mixed set looks and men get better full set looks.
1, bikini armor does have a use, plate historically is pretty useless because it constricts movement and after the rediscovery (see ancient china) of the crossbow and guns was completely useless. light armor ftw.
2, sex sells, why the double standards when women use it its fine but when a female character uses it its offensive, you over sensitive little bitches.
3, fuck off back to tumblr
and you can't really use gurren laggan as an example cause gainax is famous for purposely doing things like that and then hating fans who actually like it, its a sarcastic metaphor. but you wouldn't get it obviously.
and to top all of that off, some women actually like bikini armor, enough to cosplay in it. so leave your prejudices at the door.
>>341991024
>At a time and place where proper armor did not exist.
The civilization that gives armor to men is smart enough to not let women fight.
>Having them wear next to nothing, while the rest of their enviroment is clad in plate-armor is bullshit that breaks the suspension of disbelief.
Bitch please, having them bitches in combat breaks the suspension of disbelief in the first place.
>It has no purpose except trying to distract you from the game's flaws.
I can say the same goddamn thing regarding women warriors, existing to distract you from the game's flaws.
>>341991025
>That's just not true.
it is you could take any boy over the age of 13 and train him to be more effective on the battlefield than any woman
>>341991282
>any shitposting couch-potato could pass military female physical training
You remember that South Park episode where Cartman pretends to be retarded to take part in the special olympics and win easily, only to get his ass handed to him because those other disabled kids actually trained? Yeah...
>>341991343
Yet the english longbow were unmatched while the french crossbowmen were eating mud : ^)
Also not all crossbow can penetrate plate, and not all plate can be penetrated by crossbows. You'd need a big crossbow for that.
>>341991335
>Fuckall modes
>Broke-ass map balance
>PvP only
>Fuckall content
Yeah, it's AAA alright
>>341991025
>But most games don't imitate real life.
True. which is why bikini armor exists.
>It doesn't need to be 100% realistic or 100% fantasy bullshit. There's middle grounds.
There doesn't need to be anything, vidya is just entertainment. That's why we can have both realistic armor and bikini armor in different games.
>Bikini armor is 100% fantasy.
No more fantastical than women fighting butt naked, which already happened.
>Women fighting is just rare and unpractical. But it's possible, and anyone who practices HEMA knows that speed > strength.
So you are saying women are faster than men.
Ha ha.
>>341991379
>I can say the same goddamn thing regarding women warriors, existing to distract you from the game's flaws.
Now you're the one who's getting triggered. Female characters, who aren't figuratively in the kitchen, upset you?
>>341991446
nigga have you seen the PT requirements for women going into the army?
>>341991145
Neither of those games sold themselves off their sex, and there's no point in talking about a market from 10-15 years ago in comparison to the sale of modern titles.
The average bikini armor game could probably get a larger audience by removing the pornographic content all together. Space Bros was the highest rated show on television for over a year. As Game of Thrones decreased its sexual content, its ratings improved.
It's not what the market wants, its what a niche market wants
>>341991287
Very true, but not quite the point I was trying to make.
>>341990883
Welp. Started off really well, Schopenhauer... but I think this guy might have been gay. "Men are better looking than women." What??
>>341991446
You are talking about a cartoon?
>>341991512
Well yeah, it varies on size, quality and material of both the arrows and crossbow/bow itself.
>>341991601
Have you seen your BMI lately?
>>341991363
>plate historically is pretty useless because it constricts movement
That's just not true.
Plate was useless because it heated up and was too expensive, and when it finally got cheaper, guns came around.
>>341991512
did you expect more from the french?
i'm not saying don't use metal, im saying full plate is fucking stupid and this is known historically.
What about this?
>>341991672
at 5'9 140lb I don't think I need to
>>341991212
I could, but it would take a fair amount of time and data collecting. Such effort isn't really worth it over such a pointless debate.
Women can't wear armor because of boobs.
>>341991596
Yeah, because it breaks my suspension of disbelief, like how bikini armor triggers your ass.
>>341989302
Tumblr is that way.
