What was this guy's fucking problem?Do you think we'll see him in the next Kirby game?
Depends on how nostalgic based kirby devs are feeling.
>>341950046
He'slonely.He just got jealous of Dreamland's happiness and thought a full scale invasion was a better idea than simply asking to be friends.
>>341950046
Thats not Zero, bruh
Post yfw when this happened
>>341951052
>Guess who's back>just a clone
They're all dead after 64, anon, accept it.
>>341951052
A spoiler image that was ACTUALLY ASPOILER.I did not see this coming.
>>341950046
>anniversary of Amazing Mirror
>Dark Meta Knight and the Amazing Mirror return
>anniversary of Super Star
>Star Dream is revealed to be a Galactic Fucking Nova
>anniversary of Dream Land 3 next year
>???
>Survived Fatal error
>Barely no HP
>Land at the heart of the star dream
>Survives with no damage
Holy fuck that was hype.
>>341951453
>Not killing Star Dream before Fatal Error
scrub
>>341951052
>you could stillreflect his orbs back at him
>>341951520
I did that the whole time except that time, I fucked up and didn't collect all the clockwatch pieces.
I'm going to marry Meta Knight!
so who else here has beat PR true arena/got 100%? i love ufo in this game (amiibo's are for hardsk0pers)
>>341952162
True Arena Mode is fucking impossible for me as a Sword main. Switching to hammer is easier for me and it's still hard as fuck, especially when fighting the three DDDs.
Never can be saved.....
>>341952162
Even the devs admit amiibo is cheating. If you use an amiibo in either Arena, you get the mark of shame on your time in the leaderboard listing
Zero was lonely and sent dark matter, its minions, to investigate pop star. After having found the dark matter he sent failed it goes to pop star itself. In crystal shards I don't know exactly it invades the fairy planet first, I imagine that because you see dark matter on pop star zero had sent it to various planets with only the goal of destroying the planets.
>>341950046
never ever
>>341952458
Should have made it so using an Amiibo prevents it from contributing to 100%
>>341951052
>>341951389
>Nothing because there's no way they'll crank out another Kirby game that fast
M-Maybe in 6 years...
>>341952968
>implying they haven't been working on Kirby NX since Triple Deluxe, and HAL used Robobot to distract us all
I can dream.
>>341952458
>watching vid of someone beating True Arena causeI still haven't gitted gud enuf to beat Nova 2.0
>get to right before final boss
>they use a shit ton of amiibo to restore back to full health
>>341952806
Man the art for zero/dark matter is always so much better then for any other villian, I'm happy as I found them to be the most memorable true villian of the series.
>Got to the Soul for the first time today
>No idea what to expect
>Got about 1/3 of my HP left and no items
>Switch to trusty ESP because the only thing I knew about the fight wasthe desperation attack and how ESP can hide from it with the teleport
>First half is easy as fuck, but eventually die because I keep accidentally teleporting when I want to psyball and vice versa for some god damn reason
I'm so fucking dogshit at the shooty shoot part. I feel like it's just an issue with myself, or my eyesight, or my inability to focus on all the colors and shit, more so than me being bad at the game. I actually got there with a decent amount of HP to fall back on, but I still suffer all these dumb little casualties while slogging through the 10 minutes of bullshit that just add up. This is truly suffering.
anyone knows any good stage to grind stickers?im only 55 left ;-;
>>341953590
Turn 3D on, it helps a lot in the shooty shoot part
>dark robes
>eye on hood
>mystical powers
Are they dark matter/zero cultists?
DEEPEST LORE
>>341953724
Make sure you use up your play coins to get 5 stickers after any level played
>>341953724
I remember hearing 1-4 is good.
>have like 12-13 left
I need them.
>>341953724
1-4
>>341953590
Whoops, meant to mention that the whole depth thing screws me over too. C.O.G.S. and Kabula are easy stuff, so it's not my lack of grasp on the mechanics, it's just not being able to tell what's able to hit me or not a lot of the time.
>>341953745
The 3D doesn't work well for me because I have bad eyes, and I eventually have to turn it off after a few seconds because it's too much of an eyesore. I could give it a try, but I don't think it will do much.
>>341953724
Masturbate the FUCK out of your 3DS every day and dump all your play coins into the sticker shop.
In addition to replaying 1-4 if you really wanna be grindy about it.
>>341951173
If all the Dark Matter disappears after 0's death, then why were they able to clone Dark Matter? The material they need to clone him would've disappeared. Dark Matter/0 could still be alive.
NOVA is still alive too
>>341954132
>NOVA is still alive too
there are multiple
>>341954132
There are multiple NOVA.
Also, didn't Meta Knight put the SSU NOVA back together?
>>341954132
>>341954252
this could have also been a nod, since it was the SS sprite
>>341954132
My guess is that they compiled research data and used it to create a simulated version of sorts.
Also, are there camera controls in 3D Rumble? That's a neat angle.
dumping and bumping
>>341954252
Multiple clockwork stars, yes. No one ever said anything about more than one exact NOVA.
>>341953351
the japs have crazy runs of the True Arena. Apparently any air attack just eats through bosses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02N5Y_tnf0I
this one's worth a watch just for the way they dodgethe final instakill
>>341954132
Nova is from a race of clockwork stars, why the one we see in super star is powerful enough to grant wishes is unknown.
As for 0, who knows. Maybe its dark matter from the mirror world.
>>341954417
>>341954520
>>341954404
Yeah, you can only change the camera angle on New 3DS though
>>341954520
Mind if I join in?
>>341954460
>that multishine with air hammer
>>341953950
>>341953987
>>341954125
>>341953872
Thank you kind anons
>>341952325
yeah i beat it with hammer. took me ~6-7 tries 3 of which were with hammer. i just accepted i would always lose 1/2 my health to the three ddd's and tried to make up for it in other fights.
>>341952458
oh really? thats cool, i dont have any but it just seems super cheap you can use them in arena. i kinda liked earning something for getting 100% too.
>>341954404
Likely.
>>341954465
>dark matter from the mirror world
But THAT'S badass.
Top 3 best bosses in Robobot
1. Dark Matter/Sectonia Clone
2. DDD Clone 2.0
3. Galacta Knight
Fifty Hitlers: the Miniboss
>>341954465
>why the one we see in super star is powerful enough to grant wishes is unknown
Its no different than Star Dream and it may be even less powerful considering it doesn't have the research and upgrades Haltmann put in it.
A ton of the Haltmann and Star Dream descriptions directly mention wishes and dreams, Haltmann wouldn't bank so much on a computer if he didn't believe it had the power to grant his wish
They don't literally grant wishes though, they're just insanely powerful ancient science. Nova didn't poof Pop Star into submission, and the Galacta Knight stunt was pulled off by Star Dream just as easily.
The real question is what about it let Marx go Soul, I assume Soul OS is Star Dream's new found consciousness after mixing with haltmann going Soul
Just what kind of dark magic did the ancient put inside these things (Novas, master crown, mirror) though?
>>341955092
Where his hands and feet at
>>341955194
actually, it says somewhere that the slash fromGalacta Knightactivated the hidden program to activate Soul OS
>>341955162
>Pyribbit: The Miniboss
>>341955162
>it's at a height where Hammer Flip can't hit it
>>341955194
True, clockwork stars really just do some powerful stunt to "grant" wishes.
>>341951453
>>341955301
Whoever designed Dark Matter needs a raise. An eyeball with a cape, a mask and a sword, it's fucking perfect.
>>341955436
What I want to know is which developer felt it was a good idea for it to go into the foreground and background for attacks when it was already so hard to reach
>>341955162
So I'm not the only one who noticed he's Pyribbit levels of annoying in PR?
>>341955071
desu i would have preferred darkmatter/sectonia clones star dream's core being the final boss of the main story. as epic as it was i prefer the normal kirby gameplay.
1.galacta knight
2.dark matter
3.star dream os core
i kinda wish we could fight the kirby clash bosses normally without the other kirby's.
>>341955532
>and we'll never see him again
i wish this didnt hurt so much
>>341955570
I don't mind it as long as they look cool.NYYYYYYNGAAAAHNYYYYYYNGAAAAHAAAAHHHH-HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>341955595
>trying to get under 10 minutes in True Arena in TD with that faggot jumping everywhere
>>341955570
even on normal ground it teleports all over the fucking place so good luck killing it
>>341955532
Its so weird to me that they propose it as being weaker then the ball like dark matter. I always though the sword form looks way more threatening.
Besides Bandana Waddle Dee, I wanna see this badass fucker in Smash Bros, specifically in his swordsman form.
I'd like to see him play unique compared to other characters by not having a dedicated jump button but instead have him float around like he does in the kirby games. The jump button could work like an airdash of sorts, and because Dark Matter can float around, he shouldn't have access to dodging or rolling.
If I got into the Kirby series before the Smash ballot ended I would've definitely voted for him or Waddle Dee. Smash 4 is desperately lacking in villains.
>>341955071
>DDD Clone 2.0
>Liking dogpiles and leapfrog all day every day, followed by robot that wastes 2/3 of the fight in the background/foreground while firing lasers/flames that you can just float over and never be touchedThe gold color scheme is very fetching though.
>>341955417
Did it really? Looking back it is said the program itself was activated, but while it is after the slash it didn't necessarily cause it, unless the japanese version states it more specifically
Is the clone suppose to be wielding the rainbow sword? Couldn't find a pic but in its attaks you clearly see the sword shine like a rainbow.
>>341955708
When did he died? Did we break his soul yet like Marx, Sectonia and Haltmann?
![latest[5].png](https://i.imgur.com/DAogZyI.png "latest[5].png")
>strongest warrior in the galaxy
>still gets her ass handed to her by Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Waddle Dee individually
>>341955469
Just do the midair dashing spin on it continuously, trade places with it every time it fires a bolt downwards near the beginning of the fight, and it goes down before it gets to the out of bounds/baby spawning bullshit.
>>341955770
The problem is Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight are the only characters that have consistently been throughout the series. Bandana Waddle Dee is the only character with a chance, and that's a huge stretch anyway.
>>341955896
I could have sworn it said something like that somewhere, I think the description changes during the different phases? I don't know.
>>341956034
(You)
>>341953351
Haha I know exactly which vid you're talking about.
>>341955770
When I heard he was coming backthanks Youtube previewsI expected disappointment because we already have three sword users. But damn if he's not the most unique out of the whole bunch.
Too bad he follows a strict pattern unlike Meta and Galacta, and he's not quite as hard as the Sectonia clone.
>>341956034
>her
>>341955978
The cutscene is called "Dark Rainbow Theif" and in DL2 you get the rainbow drops back and then make the sword with it
I think its wielding its usual sword but mixing in the island's rainbow it stole into it for certain attacks, so if Kirby hadn't intervened he probably would've done this and use the rainbow for his offensive
>>341955990
0^2 was basically "0's soul" so in a way probably. Like I said in >>341954465 it could be the mirror world dark matter but probably not since I imagine it would be the opposite of the regular dark matter.
>>341955978
during some of his charge attacks in phase 2 it gets a rainbow trail to it
>>341956034
Not canon. And like Metaknight he just fucks off after a while, you can't really call it a defeat.
>>341956260
Do we consider 02 a Soul Form?
>>341955770
Fighting him would be hell for some characters. He could just camp out in the sky and stay out of reach of characters without projectiles. Even if it's kinda like an extended version of Brawl Pit's B-up and he has to touch the ground at some point, it would still be relatively easy for him to avoid damage.
>>341953351
>tfw never blocked, never paused, only used mid-tier powers and didn't look up a guide
>tfw died twice on heartbeats
>>341956117
http://imgur.com/a/J3lDE
This is missing a few (gigavolt and the final final SD phase) but its got the relevant stuff
>>341955978
The title of its cutscene is "The Dark Rainbow Thief". Maybe it stole the sword after its defeat, somehow?DEEPEST LORE
Dedede's description says he still has nightmares about an Insect. Do they mean Taranzia or tittays?
>>341954132
How did you get the view to change?
>>341956565
Either works but probably beetits
>>341956446
>final final SD phase
Keep it out. It's too heart-wrenching.
>>341956382
As much as I like 02, I wouldn't.
The trend will always start with Drawcia.
>>341956565
>>341956623
Actually scratch that, DEFINITELY Sectonia, its alluding to the fact thatthey cloned her as wellThey probably made all the clones in development fight each other and shit
Never thought they could top TD's bosses but they did, in every single regard.
When the hell did Kirby become such a top tier franchise?
>It's a Kirby lore episode
>>341956623
>filename
![1447535399985[1].webm](https://i.imgur.com/N0EYPIz.jpg "1447535399985[1].webm")
I wish Kirby would go back to having a completely out-of-left-field creepy final boss. They stopped doing it after Squeak Squad. RTDL, TD, and Robobot did something interesting with the secret EX and Soul bosses. I think that is a fine addition to the series, picking that up from SSU and improving it.
SSU's version made sense since it didn't have collectibles to bar the final boss behind, so putting it in the True Arena was a good compromise. I wish Kirby would go back to that. Have some real head-scratching collectibles to find and have the final boss change after collecting them all. As it stands, there really is no reason to collect any of them beyond some really sub-par extra levels or for the 100% wank.
Still, I am glad the series is avoiding straight up reusing villains. The fan-service the TA is handing out is fantastic nonetheless. That being said, I would love for Nightmare to return as a villain. Seeing that art of him in Smash 4 was hype as fuck.
>>341956691
Drawcia's also the one that started the trend of souls having really fucked up nightmare screams of bloody murderand I love it.
Haltmann's laughter is more of lunacy than anything, but but I still love it.
>>341956876
What are you talking about? Star Dream OS is the creepiest motherfucker in the whole series.Also there was blood in the fight against Dark Metaknight's Revenge
So have the devs revealed anything lore-wise on Miiverse recently?
I seem to have forgotten, what's his name again?
>>341956937
Haltmann Soul doesn't exist, it's just Star Dream absorbing his soul, so there's no Soul Form scream this time unless you count the Nova's.
They should put a space elevator-sized sign on Popstar which just says "I wouldn't"
>>341957086
Yeah, NOVA's scream is bone-chilling. And you do hear Haltmann screaming in the background in the heart phase which is deeply unsettling.
>>341957086
My bad, I wasn't implying that Haltmann's soul was a boss, just that I like his laughter because it fits the bill of bosses in Kirby games having maniacal screams/laughs.
Not from me, but an artist on DeviantART.
>The big point and why I liked the Shimomura games is because, although they were still simple plot-wise, there was a very strong emphasis on cuteness vs darkness and light/dark contrasts, with some very nice symbolism regarding Zero. It also help that the games were on the more serious side.
>Kirby, as portrayed in the Shimomura games, is a young adult (not a child) and stand up to the various threats to his world because of empathy (and not because he's a "Star Warrior" or some kind of destined hero). Likewise, one primary reason I like Zero so much is that in contrast to other Kirby villains, including Marx, Zero is not merely deeply evil but is so in a serious way not unlike Giygas and Porky from the Mother serie, who are some of the most beloved villains not just among kid-friendly settings but in all of video gaming and with good reason.
>>341954132
They sampled Gooey
Ok I'm a dumbass and kind of confused, is magolar considered a villian or good guy?
>>341957251
Man, Haltmann was a ass, but he didn't deserve that shit.
Magolor, Marx, and Drawcia deserved their shit though.
>>341957395
>I feel that the sheer horror of how badly Zero outsmarted you and made your entire quest futile in Kirby 64's bad ending is a far bigger punch and a far more effective proof of Zero's cunning than Marx's gloating after football tackling Kirby in front of Nova. The fact that Zero never bother to speak to Kirby and is so extreme in her methods make her far scarier and effective in my opinion as it also, in a way, showcase her contempt for Kirby (as she doesn't even regard him highly enough to bother gloating).
>Another example is how Zero responded to Dark Matter's failure in Dreamland 2 by taking up a battleship (the Hyper Zone) and ramming the barrier that Kirby had created at the end of Dreamland 2 before proceeding to basically tear the life out of Pop Star, enslaving everyone and beginning to assimilate the entire planet leaving only tiny pockets of survivors over the planet's surface, the game involving Kirby helping the survivors in each stage and booting out the Dark Matters out of his home, part by part. Despite not saying a word, I felt that Zero's glare at Kirby from inside the Hyper Zone after making a mess out of his homeworld established her in a far more effective way than Yin-Yarn or Marx's gloating, the main point being that while other villains spoke about being evil, Zero simply *is* evil.
>>341957084NOBLE HALTMANN, WE ADORE HIM
NOBLE HALTMANN, WE ADORE HIM
EVERY DAY WE WISH HIM GLORY
So what happens after you destroy the heart? I assume NOVA explodes like in Superstar, except Kirby has no vehicle. The Halberd went down earlier.
>>341956876
I feel the True Arena system works, as its stands its really only one extra fight anyways. This way no one misses out on the climactic finale because of collectibles, but they miss out on the secret final bosses if they can't git gud enough and beat the True Arena with some gameplay skill as supposed to "you did the thing specifically designed for you to do a bunch of times, congrats".
Also head-scratching might just be the perfect word to describe K64's collectibles, but not in a good way, they hardly ever took good advantage of the game's gimmick or lined up with the gameplay, just arbritary "use X combo on stationary block", random shit like drawing pizza out of fucking blocks or needing to have played DL3 to know the solution. In recent games you get more sensible and clever use of gameplay like "hey did you notice poison clouds being picked up by the wind? how about this puzzle with a bunch of wind and bomb blocks out of the way?". I will say though we've been getting less with how predominant the spectacle gimmicks are to collectibles, but when they are regular ones they usually involve good use of your abilities' moves and not just breaking a designated barrier
>They stopped doing it
what world do you live in?
>Squeak Squad
>discount piss easy baby Dark Matter
>out-of-left-field creepy
>>341957470
Haltmann is the worst out of all of them though because he's destroyed countless worlds in the past. Magolor and Marx were just looking for a sucker to make them powerful.
>>341950046
No, because dark lives don't matter
>>341957490
>The symbolism behind Zero (before she got watered down) was extremely nice too, with her tears of blood representing her infinite, all-consuming hatred of all living things and her white color representing how she is such total darkness that she loop back into 'nothingness'. The very name is significative. And of course, there is her second appearance as a fallen angel, one of the most impressive and iconic bosses in the serie (with a matching battle theme).
>All of this while portraying Kirby as genuinely innocent and empathic and with a cast that was definitely geared more toward the friendly, cute side than Meta Knight's rather hit-and-miss emphasis on coolness.
>It made for a very interesting and frankly, unique contrast as Zero and the Dark Matters were not merely the villains, they were the outright antithesis of the setting ; there is a reason why the conflict between Kirby and Zero is often compared to Ness's own struggle against Giygas. The contrast is similar, in a way. And it is one that should have been embrassed in my opinion ; most series either choose to be completely cute or completely dark. I found that the contrast made the Kirby serie feel much more unique, fresh, and magical.
tl;dr someone understood the undertones of the Kirby games, mainly the Shimomura titles.
>>341957465
Douchebag
>>341957465
PURE neutral
>>341957465
Reformed villain.
He's still a bitch for using everyone. The crown works as an "excuse" apparently.
>>341957623
Who is the faggot who keeps calling all Kirby villains her
>>341957395
>>341957490
Yeah I feel like the shimomura have a atmosphere and even a tone not found in the other games, crystal shards especially seems more serious or at least as serious as kirby can be. I miss the supporting cast we got in the form of animal friends/crystal shards crew as well.
>zero
>her
What?
>>341957756
>>341957717
Zero being the source of Dark Matter, almost like a bearer of them is what led to the individual referring to it as female. Dark Star in Crystal Shards was just a clutter of Dark Matter with Zero-Two in the center.
Kirby is a hero.
>they will never return
>you will never have a game with multiple playable characters and all six animal friends
>animal friends do different things depending on who is riding them
>>341957465
>>341957640
>>341957665
IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO
>>341955516
Yeah. But i actually lived though that.
>>341957084
Max "Build a wall then kill them all" Haltmann.
>>341957619
Good one
>>341957512
That song was pretty fun, good reward for 100%
>>341957934
Ehh, I guess that kinda makes sense. I think of zero more as a "it", its simply zero.
![latest[7].png](https://i.imgur.com/oNefe7e.png "latest[7].png")
>nobody ever talks about that time 0 cosplayed as Nightmare while trying to kill Kirby
![latest[6].png](https://i.imgur.com/vzOx6PP.png "latest[6].png")
>YO I HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MECH-BASED KIRBY GAME
>GUYS...?
>>341958203
Was that really 'dark' Zero? I guess that would make sense. He was one tough cookie.
>>341958203
Even as a huge Amazing Mirror fag, I think Dark Mind is kinda forgettable. Not to say he isn't cool, he just doesn't stand out against most of the more notable villains, and he certainly didn't have as much characterization as the RTDL-era ones.
>>341957084
Max "Return my daughter, or it's global slaughter" Haltmann.
>>341958203
Where in the fuck is it seeing from?
>tfw kirby's rainbow resort hasn't died
All these years and still kicking, great.
![latest[10].png](https://i.imgur.com/0JByQXg.png "latest[10].png")
>>341958321
>GUYS....??
>>341958321
They called the giant Dedede robot in Return to Dreamland HR-D3. I've just kind of accepted that as the closest we'll ever get to this guy being referenced again.
>>341958321
At least we got Not-Pix this time, still disappointed though
>>341957084
Max "Lost my tot so your planet's now a bot" Haltmann.
>>341958321
He didn't appear again becausehalttman destroyed earth after draining it of its resources, this destroyed all HR models.
>>341958445
>tfw no HEAVY and LOBSTER kanji stickers
>>341958071
Eat shit, Fagolor.
>>341957084
Dan Schneider.
>>341957084
Max "My dreams are crushed so now you're mush" Haltmann
>>341958321
>>341958445
So much wasted potential.
>>341957084
Max "Cash-money" Haltmann
>>341958636
Do you think he got Ripple Star too? Since they're neighboring planets and all.
>>341957395
>>341957490
>>341957623
This really comes off as a bit pretentious and stretching things a little much
I think its good people try to analyze the themes or what made it effective, but we are talking about a rather simplistic set of games here where the story was almost entirely visual and minimalist, which worked greatly to their advantage but trying to take them in a grander context loses the point
If anything going out of your way to describe some of this shit as so epic undermines the whole thing, and with the style of game being so different it feels silly to compare to Super Star or fucking Earthbound. Earthbound is an RPG, with dialogue for fucking days, shimomura is good orb vs bad orb with some good atmosphere around it.
I also see just a lot of bias and gearing the conversation one way, like he's got a beef with Super Star, wants more Shimomura and everything else falls out the wayside. Like he's got a need to validate the love for K64Why even post this though? There's probably better analysis out there and if they aren't, I bet a lot of us could to better
Bring it back
>>341957084
Max "Ravage the Savage" Haltmann
>>341958321
>the only thing brought from Kirby 64 in Planet Robobot was a god-like remix of Factory Investigations from Kirby 64
https://youtu.be/BTK-KU_2vxQ
>>341958850
Oh thank God they didn't bring Mega Titan back. Cool fight concept, but always struggled with him.
>>341958954
It's his interpretation and OP asked why Dark Matter was such a cunt. The dude also mentioned how Kirby was in a slump after NiD. I have to agree with him, look what Kirby GCN was supposed to be and look what it became. Wasted potential.
>>341959091
Not-Pix
Boss Theme remixed for MasherDark Star remixed for final Masher
Ripple Star remixed for True Arena victory
>>341958942Maybe, natural resources and the fairies probably wouldn't able to be able defend themselves against his forces.If he did he is officially worse then hitler.
>>341957084
Max "mustache wax, kid left no tracks, mechanical attacks, fat cash stacks, computer hacks" Haltmann.
>Next Kirby
but that won't happen, Nintendo will either die or become another CoD/Fifa machine, gaming has changed
Nightmare returns when?
>>341957084
Mash-It Max.
>>341959248
If you came up with this I am impressed.
>>341959394
Amazing Mirror. He and 0 partnered up and failed again.
>>341959418
I did, thanks anon.
>>341959394
Mass Attack. Nightmare Soul is the final boss.
>>341958954
I think that whole analysis is dumb anyway.
Dark Matter never got "personal" with Kirby. One of them got lonely, attacked Pop-Star, and when it failed, the others, being some kind of a hivemind, found out and invaded the place. 0 / 02 looked the way it did because it's an unknown factor; what's this giant bleeding eye doing with the Dark Matter, oh wait it's the leader, oh shit.
They were mysterious and nobody knew anything about them other than they hated everything because they were so lonely, and they wanted to plunge the world into darkness because of it.
Meanwhile, villains like Magolor, Sectonia, and Haltmann have backstory. They do not represent evil or darkness. They represent mystery, vanity, and loss.
Magolor was being manipulated by the Master Crown, which was the true villain, a mysterious object with a great evil inside it.
Sectonia became obsessed with her beauty to the point of becoming a narcissistic dictator, all because of an evil mirror.
Haltmann became so stricken with grief, he focused it on attempting to create a machine to grant his wish of seeing his daughter again, which influenced him to invade Pop Star.
0 and Dark Matter's appeal is that they don't need backstory. They work well without it because they are an alien force obsessed with darkness and destruction, not an object, or a monarch, or a company.
>>341959091
Silly anon, there's more music from 64 brought back and remixed than just that song.
https://youtu.be/SlraT-d8Srw
https://youtu.be/Fmd51MswJuc
https://youtu.be/5dRTDePPUNI
>>341959394
Nightmare in Dreamland.
>>341957084
Max "Lose his kid and flip his lid" Haltmann
Max "MIND IS SOFTWARE, BODIES ARE DISPOSABLE" Haltmann
>>341959604
Don't forget 64's Butter Building remix that appeared in the extra stage of Resolution Road.
>>341959604
Ripple Star was the best True Arena reward
>>341959603
I think dark matter/zero is so loved as they are the closest thing to a consistent villian kirby has ever gotten. I think them attacking three times means something in the DEEPEST LORE.
>>341957084
President Max Profitt Haltmann.
>>341959772
>>341959812aeiou
>>341959165
It was in a slump because all their efforts went to projects that couldn't get to a quality state, Kirby GCN included, shit was one of the least developed of their canceled projects and the least promising in retrospect as the other tried to reinvent Kirby, but they had no to reveal to disappoint people with after cancellation (for the better)
Like the one thing GCN had was the extra helpers and apparently it was the multiplayer implementation that did the project in, so whole lot of good that did
So do you think he's better than Shimomura and Sakurai yet?
>>341957084
Max "Did nothing wrong; took Star Dream's schlong" Haltmann
>>341959604
>>341959707
>>341959719
You know I know we all have opinions but we all can admit 64 has the best soundtrack in the series. While shorter I honestly can't think of a bad track.
>>341959915
I don't think any of them are particularly better than another. Each of their styles have their own pros and cons going for them. Kumazaki's directed games seem like a well tuned balance between the two opposites however, and manages to do a little of their own thing at the same time.
I'm kind of curious, did anyone else have to look up how to get this Crystal Shard too? I had no clue what it wanted me to do, and the shape of the object had to be so specific it wouldn't accept anything else.
>>341959759
The one-shot villains are usually better though. Dark Matter will fall out of favor pretty soon if he doesn't get the bombastic endgame appearance he deserves.
I'd say better than Shimomura, but not Sakurai. Sakurai is a master.
>>341957084
Max "Send All Borbits Into Orbit" Haltmann.
>>341959915
At this point, I think all three styles of Kirby games are really good in their own distinct ways. I happen to have a nostalgia bias for Shimomura's games, but I really do love them all.
>>341959915
I think I might preffer them over him personally but he is by no means bad. I think the games he has given us were great and I hope he continues the quality he has given us.
>>341960047
i figured it out on my own but it was one of the last ones i got. same with the one where you need to lightbulb power
>>341960007
Real question is, is there a Kirby game with a bad soundtrack?
Canvas Curse lacked a lot in the original tracks department but the original tracks it did have were fantastic
He may be predictable but those attacks do a lot of damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocVqHhVU3FU
>>341960047
This and the one where you need stone rick to climb the wall got me to use a walkthrough.
>>341959915
I never noticed until just now, but Squeak Squad wasn't developed by any of these three people. It's actually by someone named Takashi Hamamura. Is that why it always felt so black sheep-ish?
>>341960007
I really love 64's soundtrack myself, but I gotta put Dream Land 3's at the top.
>>341960307
I've never heard really the soundtrack of pinball land, block ball, or star stacker so maybe. Still even at its worse kirby is still about above average.
>>341960039
>>341960101
you anons are alright, don't come to Dedede's castle tomorrow
There doesn't always need to be a best or worst, I think we can be appreciative of it all without it being a hugbox. Its nice that even if there are diverse opinions, criticisms and preferences we can all overall enjoy the series and the different takes its many developers have done
As for me I'll always be the one sucking kumazaki's dick, but its because he's the one currently giving me more of these Kirby experiences which I love, while the times of the old are past, but no less appreciated by any means
>>341960516
>pinball music
someone post it
>>341960307
Well uh, Mass Attack's isn't BAD, but it's certainly less than notable. I can't say I remember any themes from the game besides the main theme and motherfucking Kirbyquest, honestly.
How aware is Kirby?
Like, would he know that he killed off two sisters?
>>341960570
He made Kirby great again.
Thanks for the thread guys, I love you guys honestly. I'm off to bed.I keep saying I want to leave /v/ but threads like these make it impossible.
>>341960720
>Forgetting the best track Fetching Fruit
Educate yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86V98M9WAak
>>341960721
To Kirby it's "WHOEVER WAKES ME UP OR STEALS MY FOOD IS FUCKING DEAD"
>>341960516
Kirby Block Ball was my favorite Arkanoid clone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWQE9AaJ70o
Is there anything special about the DL2 Dark Matter or is it just another one of many in the hivemind and just happened to be the first one that showed up?
>>341960459
Amazing Mirror and Squeak Squad both had their own completely different directors, so it was an awkward period for Kirby for some time. Kumakazi didn't start directing until Super Star Ultra, which probably explains the direction the rest of his games took.
Fun fact, Nightmare in Dreamland was directed by both Sakurai and Shimomura.
Who's havingno funduring the D3 fight?Every other boss has some method to either get away from you after a little while, or is scripted to do so. Not only is he constantly on your ass before he splits, but there's always at least one clone on your ass afterward, I had more trouble with him than I did with Star Dream, and he's really fucking up true arena for me.
>>341960969
>Soon after Shimomura started doing park stuff and Sakurai left HAL
;_;
>>341960553
You can't stop me.
>>341960570
As far as I'm concerned, Sakurai's the guy who did "the classics" and set the framework for everything down the road, Shimomura did the more slow-paced but comfy Dark Matter trilogy with all the side characters that everybody loves, and Kumazaki has it in the bag with the solid and fast-paced gameplay AND actual cutscenes leading to actual plots/backstories. All are very nice in their own ways.
anyone have that image with all the fetishes?
>>341961063
>Being able to demolish Susie in True Arena
Eat shit, you pink-haired robocunt.
>>341960928
It uses a sword.
It's unique, just like Gooey, Miracle Matter and Zero.
>>341960459
Squeak Squad was co-developed by a bunch of people
You can actually pinpoint a sort of "dark era" for HAL right after Sakurai and Shimomura leave and the console game struggle begins, we start off with Amazing mirror which had to be co-developed by a bunch of people while most of HAL's hands are busy with the GCN Kirby, which as we know doesn't go over too well. We get a spin-off from HAL themselves (Canvas Curse) but still nothing on the console side, then we get Squeak Squad to sorta fill us up with regular Kirby, but again co-developed outside of HAL and on the cheaper, handheld side. Then we stay on the handhelds with SSU, which brings our boi, who's been climbing the ladder while dodging the console mess, into directing it. The next game will finally be a console game, but totally out of HAL's control and basically nintendo's way of saving two asses, give Good Feel the leg up it needs to sell their game and HAL an escape goat while they get their act together on their final attempt on console Kirby, which thanks to Kumazaki goes over really well despite a strict deadline. The rest is history.
>>341960997
As an Archer user, I can fully confess that D3 is the most miserable fight in the whole True Arena run. No matter how much gud I git, that fight's the one that'll always knock some health off.
>>341960969
Then maybe it's not so much a director thing, as it is Squeak Squad lacking much of its own identity. It honestly felt like a step down from Amazing Mirror and I never did care about it much, even though I did 100% it.
>>341960721
Kirby is like Godzilla
You can't stop them since they are basically a force of nature so the only thing you can do is try to point them in the direction of whatever you want gone and hope to god you don't make unhappy about something
>>341959915
Hard to say. I wasn't entirely a fan of the slow pace of Shimomura's games, but the aesthetic and sheer comfiness was top notch. Sakurai's games were more my style. Kumazaki really seems to shine with the boss battles.
My concern is that he's too reliant on previous Kirby lore. Both TD and PR have had big callbacks for the sake of callbacks, and I hope he isn't afraid of just building a new branch in Kirby story.
Of course that's a minor gripe. Gameplay is still as great as ever.
>>341961191
>Susie
>Robot
>>341960404
This for me as well had no fucking clue stone Rick could scale walls barely used stone+cutter.
>>341960997
Hammer user here, fuck that fight. Though I'm getting better at it just by learning to be patient with the first phase, and not charging in like a madman, because that only gets me tackled.
>>341960997
Bombfag here. It's pretty tough, but sometimes I can get a clean run without taking any hits.
>>341960362
tfw careless and got caught in the sword flurries.
>>341961217
that miracle matter theme in 64 was so intense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g-NIYYGEEk
>>341960997
I never had problems with D3. Fucker goes down quick with Hammer.
The only boss to fuck me up is Galacta Knight, and that is because of his shield.
>>341960997
I actually can take him on pretty well with Poison. I only struggle when he first breaks apart, but once the clones get smaller they're easier to handle.
>>341960997
Ninja here, I can beat it without getting hit but it's extremely annoying and takes me a minute or two longer than the other fights because of how careful I have to be, unlike most other bosses where I can spam Shock a lot
Definitely the most annoying fight.
>>341960997
Ice/Ninjafag, best fight in the franchise. It's intense, varied and fun. Just don't stand next to them.
>>341961373
>and I hope he isn't afraid of just building a new branch in Kirby story
... You mean like Sectonia and Haltmann? These two factions alone have more content than every previous Kirby antagonist combined.
I do wonder what the next Kirby game would focus on. It's got Art, Mechs, Racing, and such jotted down, but what about music?
I can imagine it going as
>An evil orchestral group tries to suck the music out of Popstar and turn it into a somber classic world
>Kirby meets a new partner who is a magical musician who wields a magical baton and is able to transform into a magical floating baton herself and has a little music note shaped friend
>You must go through Popstar to obtain the legendary magical musical notes that maintain the balance of sound, melodies, and music throughout the planet in order to save them from the orchestra's hands and to help find the musician's father.
>New gimmick abillity is taking the form of a Pop Idol/Pop Star, singing your way through enemies and solving puzzles along the way, via rhythm tapping or such.
>Main villain is a crazy lady hellbent on making Popstar revert back to it's old state of music due to having lost her sanity thanks to immortality and tried hurting the magical musician and her father.
>>341961902
it was cringey the first time you suggested it
>>341961902
did you forget kirby literally cannot sing and actually kills people that way
>>341961902
>each world encompasses a different group of genres, each level is a different genre
>rock world has prog rock, metal, punk, etc
>electronic world has house, techno, and wubs
Sounds kinda cool
>>341961902
>singing your way through enemies
So it's Mike: The Game
>>341961902
>Main villain is a crazy lady hellbent on making Popstar revert back to it's old state of music due to having lost her sanity thanks to immortality and tried hurting the magical musician and her father
>>341962112
This is a neat idea though.
>>341962031
>Kirby finally learns to get past his tone-deafness
I bet you think he should only say "poyo" too.
>>341960459
>>341961329
Also gonna use this to get out this rant I had about Squeak Squad and what makes certain Kirby titles shine, strap in
Squeak Squad sounds great in concept, just a Kirby game, from beginning to start its all Kirby gameplay, abilities with some move variety and while it has neat additions no crazy gimmicks overtake the whole experience, so why the sorta hate? Why is Amazing Mirror beloved to hell and back and its lil bro considered the worst? Aside from more specific quality issues, it just isn't as memorable. What makes games like Amazing Mirror, Kirby 64 or Super Star shine in people's eyes isn't just the consistent Kirby gameplay throughout, its in how they each frame it in a unique way. Yea you're Kirby and you do Kirby stuff but you do it in a maze of treasure and shit, or you do it in all these game modes each with their own gimmick, or you have a new style of gameplay entirely.
to be cont.. (so long as one of you reads all this shit I'll be happy)
>>341959915
I'm just glad that after two games he finally managed to make the game's gimmick be non-obtrusive, game-stopping and make it flow seamlessly with the gameplay.
I fucking hated Hypernova, whatever the super duper powers on Return to Dreamland were called.
Robobot was 10/10 because it didn't put the game in halt whenever it appeared.
Will he be making the new game? Or will a new person start a new Trilogy?
I love the Kirby community, so glad this is my favorite franchise
>>341962525
Moving forward: I love the recent games, but the spectacle gimmicks are a bit at odds with regular Kirby, the games aren't getting shorter, but they're not getting any longer either, so the more of these we see the less time as just Kirby through a regular level that we see. They kinda eat away at the variety of the gameplay, which is more jarring with it being the most varied and polished regular gameplay the series has ever seen.
This is why the bosses and True Arena are they way they are, this shit has to go somewhere and its why they're framed around fighting these bosses so much. They ask to take advantage of the complexity that is lost even to regular gameplay (as enemies are sitll easily beaten), they ask to do these bosses in a variety of ways.
I think next Kumazaki might want to look at Super Star as inspiration, as the game made itself stand out through how it framed so many Kirby adventures, and the right framing can go a long way to make the games memorable and marketable without needing to sacrifice regular gameplay or necessarily the spectacle and flair he wants. Based on interviews it feels like Super Abilities, Hypernova and the Robobot are in a big part nintendo's one demand, as they are easy to market, in that way Kumazaki has probably done his best to accommodate them, improving as he goes along and trying his best to make it work well.
I feel 3D is the easy answer now though, that's enough innovation and new framing to carry it through without needing to break up regular gameplay excessively, as the new regular gameplay IS the gimmick.
>Man, the DNA from that dark creature provided a useful clone!
>What if we use the larger, white creatures DNA?
>>341955162
It's hilarious how badly Ninja wrecks it by grabbing a grab and jumping up into it
>galacta knight fucks you up
>don't get a max tomato
>star dream but it's harder
>no break
>star dream os but it's harder
>no break
>nova but harder
>no break
>think it's done
>Star Deam Soul OS Heart ooh did I mention no break?
>second form is hard as fuck
>finally, it unleashes a one hit KO move tho shit on i-frame abusers
This is the most hardcore Kirby fight ever.
>>341962847
>I feel 3D is the easy answer now though, that's enough innovation and new framing to carry it through without needing to break up regular gameplay excessively, as the new regular gameplay IS the gimmick.
I definitely feel like 3D Rumble is just a means of testing the waters to see how people respond to playing as Kirby in a 3D environment. If it turns out to be well received, they might finally move forward with making a full-fledged 3D Kirby game, which would be amazing.
>>341958125
Have the same screenshot, but in HD
>>341962972
It's pretty ridiculous. It's not hard, it's just plain unfun and unfair. All the stupid OHKO stuff is stupid too.
You don't feel satisfaction after you beat all that. You are just glad it's fucking over not because you beat it through your own skill but because all the bullshit is over.
>>341962289
Let me rephrase that. It may sound shitty, but whatever man, me and a fellow anon would appreciate helpful critiques.
The lady was once a young kind hearted girl who once met the music notes herself and befriended them and basically it was a Rosalina and Luma relationship with them. Of course, she was gifted immortality to help protect the notes and help maintain the balance of music. Yet, as time went on, the girl, now a young lady, soon starts meeting many people and even a man she loved so dearly, but only for him and many others she knew, dying in front of her and causing her to slowly lose it and the music notes, unaware. It heads to a point where the classic genre she loved so much and was one of it's creators, loses appreciating and soon snaps.
>>341962031
Don't blame me though, blame the other anons that were involved into this spawn of an idea. It literally started due to some anon wanting a Pop Idol Kirby thing.
>>341962909
Ninja is the fucking GOAT power
>quick iframe dodge + damage on cherry blossoms
>high damage melee combo
>high damage inazuma drop grapple so suckable objects aren't wasted
>can fling shuriken to whittle heath down during unsafe attacks
>>341962879
It took all of its power to clone Dark Matter Blade and even then it was incomplete, we won't see a Zero clone but its definitely hinting at something, at the very least Dark Matter's true powers being impossible to recreate with just biological data
