If Doom is so perfect, then why does this exist?
>>341944051
to fuck you in the asshole
I dunno. I guess it would be an ok boss if you couldn't just blast it with the BFG
DOOM 1 is infinitely worse than 2 with the absence of the super shotgun. Takes too long to kill shit without it.
>>341944180
>Doom 2
>With that absolute garbage level design
>better than 1
>>341944180
I disagree with your opinion but I will defend your right to it with my life.
>>341944180
It wouldn't be that big of an issue if there weren't so many barons in later levels and instead had hell knights and junk. But Doom 2 has revanents so both games have their problems
>>341944180
doom 1 is infinitely worse than 2 because you can't aim up or down.
>>341944180
The super shotgun is the very reason they added a bunch of monsters with cacodemon level health.
They knew it broke the balance of the first game.
>>341944180
Regular shotgun is actually balanced though and you often wanna switch to different weapons. SSG is stupidly powerful to the point where it's all you use for most of the game.
>>341944051
I just beat this asshole. Really what you have to do is make it attack the other monsters. Not that hard, but man it was annoying since it was hitscan central.
>>341944482
Doom 2 wasn't made for freelook.
The final boss depends on it not being in the game.
>>341944482
You can't aim up or down in Doom 2 either wtf are you saying you faggot
>>341944284
>but i will defend your right to it with my life
ooookay
>>341944180
>DOOM 1 is infinitely worse than 2 with the absence of the super shotgun.
You've never played Doom 2, you need to stop talking about shit that happened 20 years before you were born. The level design was atrocious and a chore to play through. The super shotgun was stupid shit more akin to a modern shooter's shotgun that only worked at point blank range. Doom 2 was worse than Doom 3.
>>341944247
Doom 2 doesn't have garbage level design. Sure it's worse than the first game, but it's decent.
Meanwhile, it added all the coolest monsters and the SSG, making it a better game to play and mod.
>>341944987
>Doom 2 doesn't have garbage level design.
It absolutely does, refrain from posting about games you've never touched and wasting everyone's time.
>>341944051
It's you're mom lmao
>>341944936
>tricks and traps
>dead simple
>barrels of fun
>the pit
>not fun as hell
Sure showed me, but good on, tell me how it's so bad with more buzzwords.
doom 2 is a very different game without the SSG
>>341944180
Then use a rocket launcher or plasma gun.
>>341944936
>The super shotgun was stupid shit more akin to a modern shooter's shotgun that only worked at point blank range.
An arcadey game isn't realistic, who'd have guessed?
>>341944482
>using freelook in Doom 2
Get a load of this faggot.
>>341945356
Your comment has no relation to the text you quoted.
>>341945125
>le fun
They're still poorly planned serious sam arenas in a game engine that doesn't accommodate for them. It's lazy design and an embarrassment compared to the intricate and polished levels of the first one.
You're literally just copypasting crap from some other contrarian shitbag.
Sort yourself out.
>>341945429
Alright, then tell me, what makes the fact it's short range bad?
It can't be balance, cause the Super Shotgun is already really good.
If you wanted a longer ranger Shotgun, just use the regular one.
All I can think of is you just don't like how it's not realistic.
>>341945608
You literally haven't posted an actual
example and are just saying parroted /v/ shit.
>le fun
your argument was that it wasnt fun I posted levels, that you probably had to look up, that prove otherwise. Try again.
>>341945681
>Alright, then tell me, what makes the fact it's short range bad?
It makes it completely pointless compared to the regular shotgun. As satisfying as it is as you pick it up, it has no real use during the whole game.
>>341944284
Could you kill yourself so I don't have the right to post on this shithole anymore?
>>341944051
The problem isn't the enemy, it's the way it's used. The boss level in episode 3 sucked dick, but the way they did it in DTWID made it fun as shit, and they managed to make use them even in D2TWID.
>>341945860
I believe most people would disagree with you on the Super Shotgun.
From the modern controls, you can easily run in and out, making the Super Shotgun useful.
The older controls, you'd at least find times where that Super Shotgun would be useful for when something comes close and you can't get out.
>>341944051
i found the level design in doom 1 to be much worse than 2.
Too many generic corridors and boxed rooms
doom 2 was much more creative and interesting in it's map design, imo
>>341945839
I see you're resorting to posting incoherent, grammatically infuriating nonsense now. And I just commented on the whole game, the whole game is full of lazy, copypasted arenas with enemy after enemy dumped on you, instead of the labyrinthine levels of the first one. It also overuses monster closets because they were completely careless with the level design.
If you had played both at any point, you immediately would know what I mean by this. You can't do anything other than namedropping maps you copied on some thread because you never touched Doom 2.
I hope the unwarranted attention is worth all the shitposting you're doing.
>>341944180
here is your reply.
please die
>>341946219
>le doom 2 has better level design cuz i had a trepannation lelele.
>proceeds to name boxed areas, when Doom 2 is NOTHING but boxed areas.
They do this to get angry replies. So far it seems to be working beautifully.
>>341946219
Doom 2 was chalk full of gimmick maps (Tricks and Traps, etc) and buildings just scattered around open areas with no sense of progression from one place to another (Downtown, etc).
>>341944936
>worse than doom 3
it doesnt exist
>>341946260
Ah, I see you have no actual argument and can only use the "lol u never played it" defense. Tell me, what exactly IS copied pasted? The wide open city levels? The several levels designed around narrow ledges over lava and whatnot? No, of course to you, every instance of a door opening to an item getting picked up is a sin somehow, even though that was frequently in 1 as well.
It doesn't matter if I "get it", you're still wrong and are being bitter about the game for no good reason.
>>341944491
Of course not, there was the rocket launcher and the plasma gun for when the shotgun or chaincannon weren't cutting it. They added the supershotgun because they felt they had to add new weapons and ran out of ideas.
Same case with the new enemies, that's why they're horribly animated and ill conceived.
They had a lot of trouble getting Romero to go back to work during doom 2, he was too busy acting like a rockstar. That's why it ended up being shit, and Quake ended up being much better.
>>341944494
SSG starts wasting ammo really fast if you're using it on a couple weaker guys, or enemies far away. I still use the regular shotgun sometimes after I get the super sometimes because of that.
>>341944051
Why do you think
>>341946851
>b-but you have no actual argument
That describes your posts perfectly. Other than posting grammatically broken knee-jerk reactions you have nothing besides a terrible map pack with shoehorned weapons and a desperate thirst for replies.
>>341947006
>no u
ok my turn
>>341946914
not really. The game gives shotgun shells out like candy on Halloween.
You're only really in danger of running out in the early levels, before you've built up a stockpile.
After that you can use the SSG for 80% of the game.
>>341944247
Nigger, name one bad map besides downtown
>>341947204
Nirvana is awful.
>>341947204
The Pit
Barrels O Fun
Both unpleasant played normally.
Both nigh impossible with a pistol start.
My only complaint about doom is that the chaingun feels underpowered, specially with the new enemies introduced in Doom 2
Aside from that, it's perfect
I like Brutal Doom.
>>341947548
Chaingun is good for long ranged enemies, packs of zombie men, or if you need to stun lock a monster.
>>341946503
They were quite significantly more corridor-room-monstercloset-around-item-repeat based, while doom 2 had more open areas with more interesting architecture and a better flow due to not being a fucking maze
>>341947548
well yeah. It was balanced around mowing through zombies and imps. Not Cacodemons and Barons of Hell.
And all of the new monsters in Doom 2, barring chaingunners, have more health than Demons. Making the chaingun pretty useless.
>>341947806
>while doom 2 had more open areas
Which the game engine, in general, had no business trying to portray. Even the open areas in Doom 1 were lovingly designed with multiple buildings and things to find all over. Doom 2 just dumped you into an area and surrounded you with enemies. What a lazy piece of shit.
And don't even pretend doom had more monster closets than doom 2, that's just pathetically incorrect.
>There are people that think Doom is better than Doom 2.
Contrarian cucks.
>>341947605
project brutality is better m8
>>341946589
Tricks and Traps is pretty fun though. Don't compare it with total shitfests like Downtown and Suburbs.
I liked Barrels o' Fun. I thought it had an interesting gimmick.I also liked Doom 2 more than Doom 1, the increased challenge in 2 made it for the shortcomings
Quake > Doom
>doom babies
Doom 2 does have some good level design, it just varies wildly in quality especially compared to Doom 1.
I'd say the best levels of Doom 2 are leagues better than the best levels of Doom 1, but Doom 2 levels get so fucking shitty. Especially I feel like maps 15-25 or maybe it's all of the city maps are just so fucking garbage.
Overall, I think Doom 1 is better as a cohesive whole, while Doom 2 has higher highs in level design but also the lowest of lows.
>>341947605
I like Brutal Porn
>>341948307
>>341947806
doom 2 had a lot more monster closest than doom 1
>>341948307
Quack>Quake, although it seems like Quack vanished from existance.
>>341948538
>Doom 2 has higher highs in level design
Not even remotely, stop trying to be a mediator because that's some ridiculously stupid shit. Doom 2's best maps are about on par with Doom's shittier ones. And claiming Doom 2 has something akin to "best maps" is being extremely generous.
>>341948178
I prefer Doom 1's level design, but I'd say the Super Shotgun and new monsters make up for it.
>Ultimate DOOM
>DOOM II
>TNT Evilution
>Plutonia Experiment
>DOOM 64
Rank em, boys.
>>341948961
They never played any of these, why do you even bother? They're even pretending Doom 2 was good now.
>>341946996
this is a rule 34 I never asked forHow long til its added to HDoom?
>>341949102
sure thing "mr. oldfag"
why don't you hop on back to /vr/ so you can talk about how good doom is over there?
