>6 teraflops
>4k gaming 60fps
>$399
how are they doing it?
what does 6 teraflops even mean?
>>341913351
it means it'll kick your PCs ass .
>>341913351
Your gaming experience will be so immersive you will be cancer riddled and feeble by the end of it so make sure to stock up on those snacks.
>>341913351
It measures how big of a flop it is. Right now it's flopping at a rate of 6 trillion times per second.
>>341913351
i dont know, but it is fucking 6!!!!!! Eat that sony fags.
>$399
for real?
if it only was a playstation
by cutting corners s always
>$399
If this is fucking true then Microsoft won the entire fucking thing.
>>341913228
>399
source or fuck off
>>341913228
>$399 not really tho
>>341913607
>>341913351
Scorpio! He'll sting you with his dreams of power and wealth. Beware of Scorpio! His twisted twin obsessions are his plot to rule the world, and his employees' health. He'll welcome you into his lair, like the nobleman welcomes his guest. With free dental care and a stock plan that helps you invest! But beware of his generous pensions, plus three weeks paid vacation each year. And on Fridays the lunchroom serves hot dogs and burgers and beer! He loves German beer!
>>341913228
>4k 60fps*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh wow sure
*only on the main menu
Still overpriced considering that they charge you monthly for online.
>>341913958
6 tflops is almost as powerful as the 1070. It won't be able to do 4k 60fps, but it'll be able to do 4k at console framerates. In other words, "silky smooth 20-30 fps"
>>341913484
>>341913637
>>341913795
Its not.
Its going to be 500 dollars again.
>>341913484
>>341914145
The regular xbone is less raw power than an r9 260x, but there's plenty of games that run at 60fps on it which would never run at 60fps on PC. Basically, consoles are capable of 4k gaming at 60fps, but PC's aren't.
>>341913484
It means it'll kick your budget PC from 2014's ass
>>341914468
Except the 1080 is already running 4k 60 fps.
>>341914468
>Consoles
>4k
Maye in 20 years.
>>341914723
Undertale?
>>341914723
That's an $800 video card. Doesn't count.
>hilarious pipe dream
>plz rally behind us and buy our new box!
>we totally didnt just completely fail to launch a box just recently and then completely shit on and abandon those people!
ITS A MONSTER!
>>341914276
probably more than that unless they want to sell it at a bigger loss.
It could cost $20 and suck your dick. Still has no games.
>>341913351
6 billion floating point operations per second.
>>341915053
Its coming out late 2017 so I imagine making the console won't be that insane by then.
>>341914723
>Except the 1080 is already running 4k 60 fps.
>>341914468
>60fps
>900p medium-low setting with everything turned off
Optimisation only brings it up to a certain point. You can't build a PC that'll beat a console at console price (with new + quality components), that's just the nature of economies of scale. But you can spend an extra $150 and blow it out of the park.
>durr how are they gonna sell it so cheap
>implying a 300mm2 die purchased on bulk will be expensive in 18 months
If this machine costs any more than $399 you're getting ripped off.
>>341913351
It'll make any pregnant woman within 100 yards miscarriage in chromatic aberration
>>341915171
>billion
trillion
They aren't. It will be significantly more than that. I have no idea where you got that price but with that technology they'd be selling at a MASSIVE loss.
>>341913228
>6 teraflops
yes
>4k gaming 60fps
6 teraflops is not nearly enough for that. 4k 30fps is a stretch
>$399
it's confirmed to be $599
Also it's coming out at the end of 2017
Fucking read people it's not that hard.
>>341913351
processing speed.
>>341915351
Yeah I hate chromatic abortion.
There's nothing Xbox can't do.
>>341913228
by porting all their games to Spyware 10 so there's really no reason to buy an xbone
>>341914675
>people on /v/ make it clear they know nothing about computers
I love these threads.
>4k gaming 60fps
why do people think this means a fucking thing? you just spouted it like a buzzword
my pc can run Dishonored, TF2, etc at 4k 60fps but not gta V or Witcher 3
>>341915452
Link confirming price? I find it hard to believe they've given an actual price a year and a half in advance.
>6 teraflops
>4k gaming 60fps
>$399
>highest quality pixels
can I switch my PS4 in now plz
>>341914468
>there's plenty of games that run at 60fps on it which would never run at 60fps on PC
name them
>>341913228
>>4k gaming 60fps
>6teraflops
hope you didn't expect an actual improvement of the poly count, cause with that power the games will look like emulated console games on a PC
>>341915484
They'll release an update for windows 10 that turns every windows 10 machine into an Xbox One. That's how they're going to reach their goal.
>>341915691
Gears Of War 2
>Today's midrange PC performance late next year
>People think this is good
Xbone is deader then ever
![1444244761160[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lT7zcl3.jpg "1444244761160[1].jpg")
>>341915691
Halo 3
>>341913228
because it's
>4k*
Scorpio is coming out in q3 2017 last I heard
so by then, a PC of the same exact cost would probably be millions times better
>>341915847
>force everyone to download Windows 10
>turn their pc into an xbone and offer games
like raping someone then sending a get well soon card
>>341913607
kek
>>341916013
but halo 3 runs at 30 fps.
Bungie even went as far as to claim that 60 frames would feel unnatural.
And we all know how that went with reach.
>>341914276
>500 dollars again
Please
We'll be lucky if this isn't another $699 fiasco again. (if they do plan on delivering the power they're promising)
HOW DO WE STOP XBOX FROM WINNING?!
>$399
[Citation needed]
>>341913228
>4k gaming
Where the fuck did they say that? All they said was 4k video playback.
>>341915847
If they did i would be delighted. Disabling non-critical parts of the system to free up resources would be godly
>>341916592
I think Microsoft really overestimated the general intelligence of gamers. You fucking idiot.
>>341913228
They are taking two years ...
>>341916320
The bone version runs at 60
>>341916592
4K GAY MEN
ITS ALL I ASKED FOR AND THEY DELIVERED
>>341916751
Oh yeah just rewatched the E3 reveal, they were talking about 4k gaming.
It'll be fucking 20fps when displaying anything more than a sparse corridor regardless.
>>341913484
>>341913351
It means that it's about as powerful as a gtx 970.
Almost.
>>341917089
still more powerful than ps4 neo
>muh teraflops
too bad it still hamstrung by a netbook CPU
How the fuck are they suggesting 6 teraflops is ever going to run 4k?
I absolutely refuse to believe that you can maintain 4k 30fps with just 6 teraflops.
>we haven't achieved 1080/30 when we promised 1080/60
>so now we're promising 4k for our next console
>>341918096
phill won't lie
>>341918194
well technically he hasn't lied
he never said anything about framerate
:^)
So will the 4.5 and Scorpio surpass a i5 4460 and a GTX 960 now?
>>341918467
doesn't it still use a jaguar processor?
that would be a bottleneck but with a 960 is still worse than what they have, so I don't know, we'll only know when there are reports on how it performs
>>341913228
>Still believing the TFLOP myth
Polaris 10 only has 5 TFLOP but still beats out last gen's 7 TFLOP GPU
>>341918467
yes. by a large margin
>>341913228
Someone tolds me this is all buzz misleading people on purpose.
>Gaming isn't 4k, movies and videos will be. Games will still be 1080p
>6 teraflops is aboud the same powr as a mid range GPU
>The entire thing is only slightly more powerful than the PS4.
Can a /g/ guy confirm this?
>>341918929
This is not a 6 teraflop GPU but a 6 teraflop system. So it's probably a 4 teraflop GPU with a 2 teraflop CPU
Also it will release in 2 years time. It'll not be impressive at all by then.
Also at a price level that will net be competitive with self-build PC's
>>341916478
>another $699 fiasco
where was the first fiasco? in spanish chumbawumba-land?
>>>4k 60fps
ayy lmao
>>341918467
this is exactly what I have. I bought a pc with a budget of $400 and got that and now its biting me in the ass. I thought the 960 would keep me relevant longer than my xbox one and wii u would, but now that's not the case
>>341913351
Teraflops is largely meaningless by itself. We need to know the other specs.
For example the GTX 1070 has 6.5teraflops, yet it outperforms the GTX Titan X which has 7 teraflops.
Trying to work out performance from teraflops alone is like trying to work out which car is faster based off their MPG ratings.
>>341919151
6 teraflop gpu, +6 tera flop cloud
>>341913484
Pretty much.
>>341919020
6TFLOPS is enough to run current console graphics at 4k. PS4 Neo will aim for the same thing with a more modern architecture and thus needs less FLOPS to do the same.
>>341919151
CPUs have almost no FLOPS
>>341913228
$1200
>>341919819
>6TFLOPS is enough to run current console graphics at 4k. PS4 Neo will aim for the same thing with a more modern architecture and thus needs less FLOPS to do the same.
pony apologist already
>hating on big phill when he actualy merged console and pc, and is focusing on power in new console like pc tech, just like in good old days
Fuck off, salty nignog a
But all I all, they wont deliver 4k and 60 fps. But stable 60 fps, high stettings and 1080p is good enough though for a console.
>>341919819
6 tflops is only enough for 30fps 4K at current console graphical settings. Even that is pretty hard to pull off actually. I don't really believe them when they say it'll be capable of running 4K.
My PC which should have ~9 tflops on paper runs most games around 30fps on 4k. That says a lot.
>>341919020
Consoles right now are still having trouble running video games in 1080p and 60fps. Doing it in 4k and 60fps at 400 dollars is a lie.
My R9 290 runs at 4.8 TFLOPS an 295 is close to 6 TFLOPS
>>341921347
Merging console was where gaming went wrong
things where much better when console and pc gaming where 2 entirely different markets
>>341914723
Even 980ti could run 99% of games on high-ultra 4k 60 fps. I don't why retards on /v/ think 4k 60fps gaming is something unique or hardly achievable.
>>341917954
Dynamic Resolution Scaling. Haivng a game scale from 1080p to 4K in realtime, is how they will do it. As long as the game is able to render at 4K at some point in time during gameplay, even once, for a few seconds; it technically satisfies the claim that the game runs at 4K.
>>341919151
>2 Teraflops CPU
Nig, kill yourself. Like, right now.
CPUs measure, in GFLOPs. The most powerful CPU on the planet barely hits 75 GFLOPs.
>>341919151
>2 tflop cpu
u wot mate
not even remotely close
>>341922214
Fuck off mate I own a 980ti
I can absolutely ensure you that you can't play maxed out games at 60fps on 4k.
Witcher 3 -nope
GTA 5 -nope
Battlefield -nope
Fallout 4 -nope
Basically all games normies would want to play at 4k wouldn't run at 60fps.
980ti also has more than 6teraflops
Wait is the GPU alone 6 Tflops?
If it is then that's absolutely insane. A 1070 is around 7 Tflops and a 1080 is 9 Tflops. Seeing what the current consoles can do in well optimized games like Uncharted/Killzone/Quantum Break/etc. makes me actually kind of believe this claim.
A PS4 is 1.8 Tflops and an Xbone is 1.4 Tflops, that means that this thing is gonna be 3x more powerful than the PS4, and over 4x more powerful than the xbone. If its CPU doesn't bottleneck its GPU, then were talking about insane graphical quality.
However, I hope they stay away from higher resolutions and instead stick with 1080p. Very few people have a 4K TV right now and games would look much better if they instead focus on improving lighting, shadows, reflections, geometry quality, object density, draw distance, frame rate, etc.
PC will still look better since the gtx 11XX series will be out by then and the AMD 500 series will be out as well, but honestly if I can get solid 60fps 1080p on a console then im done with PC gaming.
>>341919819
>CPU HAVE ALMOST NO FLOPS
Are you kiddin me? no one can be so ignorant.
>They're telling the truth.
you console gamers are like battered wives
>>341913351
It's the maximum amount of floating point operations per second.
When talking about a complex system performing various multimedia tasks, it's an absolutely meaningless buzzword.
>>341913484
>it means it'll kick your PCs ass .
KEK not my PC, with my OC I'm rated at 6.9TFLOPs
>>341922610
consoles aren't well optimized as you think currently PC is getting better optimization and will reach console optimization very soon. Currently has Async in many games and mostly of PC games has one pass postproccessing just like console.
Console are now just a 30% stronger than PC.
In 2014 Sony lead investigator say PS4 is just a 60% stronger than pc of same specs but today is so less difference.
>>341922570
You named the most demanding and poorly optimized games, hence the 99% I mentioned, and even then they run well above 30 fps. The normies can't tell a difference between 45 fps and 60.
So when they say "every game is still playable on any Xbox 1" does this mean that they:
A) Have the graphics of every game held back for the original Xbone, the Scorpio only displays it in 4k without any other improvements
or
B) Future Xbone games have multiple graphics settings like PC games do now and they'll run on max settings for Scorpio and Medium for plain Xbone
>>341914856
DOOM
>>341923186
>You named the most demanding and poorly optimized games, hence the 99% I mentioned, and even then they run well above 30 fps. The normies can't tell a difference between 45 fps and 60.
Battlefield is incredibly optimized on PC, you insane?
>>341913228
6 teraflops is not enough for 4K 60fps
1440p 60fps probably
>>341913228
1400p 30fps you say?
>>341913351
>>341923258
>97th percentile is 59.2
>average is 47.3
>this counts as "running at 60 fps" in your mind
>>341917080
"Gay men" (gaming) top kek
>>341913228
it will be based around a Zen - Polaris/Vega APU that will offer low wattage and very high bandwidth for a fraction of the cost of an Intel or Nvidia chip which most pc gamers today use.
>>341923697
>Not watching your gay porn in 4k
Fucking sony plebs.
What I imagine will happen is that developers will probably render at 2560x1440 and let the post-process upscale to 4K, as it's the next step up resolution wise. Then they'll use various temporal anti-aliasing solutions to address the blurring and jaggies.
All that said, even with 6TFLOPs of potential throughout, I can almost guarantee that console games will STILL not use any fucking proper Anistrophic Filtering--because developers are incompetent faggots.
>>341923603
just lower the settings a bit pham
https://youtu.be/DK-q_X2hJdc
>>341923903
>changing the CPU
Wouldn't that make backwards compatibility a problem?
>>341924032
why?
>>341924102
because past games were designed for a different architecture
>>341922610
teraflops isn't everything.
The 1070 has 6.5, yet it outperforms the Titan X which has 7.
The 780 Ti only has 5.03 teraflops, but has a higher memory bandwidth than the Scorpio so which is going to be better?
>>341924032
probably but they will just update the code for a different APU of a similar architecture. im sure that AMD had this in mind when it supplied the first APUs for Xboxe and PS4 and designed features that implement better.
>>341923903
Odds of the new Boner system using a Zen CPU are near zero.
Polaris and Vega are names of dies, they are not arch names. The architecture is 4th gen GCN.
Stop regurgitating gaymer news clickbait headlines.
>>341924032
Not necessarily.
>>341923903
>Vega
Vega doesn't come until fiscal year 2017. AMD confirmed during their fiscal year review meeting in April earlier this year. Only mid-range Polaris until then.
>>341914276
>E3 2017
>Sony comes up on the stage
>Crash man walks up to the stage
>In 1994 we launched the PlayStation which redefined an era and started 3D gaming.
>In 2001 we launched the PlayStation 2 which has the largest Library of any console of all time.
>In 2007 we launched the PlayStation 3.
>In 2013 we launched the highest sold console of all time and we thank you for buying our console.
>And now this year we are about to make a new leap for mankind. >This will be a new marvel in gaming. Iam honored to introduce the PlayStation 5.
>a few claps.
>At $500 you will be able to play games in 4K and have 4K media.
>Xbox the next day after announcing Xbox which can play every Xbox game that has ever existed at 4K announces the price at $399.
>>341923035
>$600 dollar GPU
>>341925068
>being poor
>>341923207
>sunibee.jpg
>>341913228
4k media they said nothing about gaming
>>341924880
Now that was autistic
>>341925278
lol@ all the sonyfags in denial.
>>341925125
>being rich
>>341924217
Lmao do you think zen will be incompatible with past PC games?
>>341914969
>hey guys look at the top of the console that can run every game at 1080p at 60fps.
Nah we're joshing guys just 30fps
>hey sonybros look at our neo it runs things at 4K!
Nah just 1440p but still #greatnessawaits
>>341925278
4k media for the S, Scorpio is 4k gaming
>>341922610
Spencer said they aren't going to force third parties but first party games are targeting 4k and you might as well stick with an xbone/S for 1080p
>>341925619
PC games are made for multiple setups beforehand, console games are made for 1 spec.
>>341913351
not enough for 4K on 30fps
>>341916592
Thats xbone S
I'm willing to bet that some developers will probably even aim for 900p30 on consoles, so they can use all the extra render time that would otherwise be used to do 1080p60 or 1440p60 or even 2160p60 for pushing even more things on screen.
Of course, the problem arises that the more you lower the render target, and lower the framerate, the more you're going to bottleneck the CPU. Eventually, the fundamental laws of physics are going to fight back against the developers, and they're going to have to choose a specific sweet spot during development. If they go over, shit performance; and if they go under, shit performance.
>>341925734
>console games are made for 1 spec.
Exclusives are.
Actually not even then, since 99.999999% of the time test builds are entirely done on a PC with approximate performance equal to the intended system.
The only time a game is actually made for a single system is if the engine is purpose built, and heavily leverages some assembly code so it won't run on anything else.
Console games are just downgraded to run on the system.
>>341923035
>28nm
lel, get with the times.
by the time they start manufacturing xbox scorpios mobile AMD 480 equivalents will probably be cheap enough for console manufacturers to use at the 400 pricepoint
if you think you're getting 4k/60 on anything but Popular 360 Game Rerelease or Indie Sidescroller you are fucking retarded though.
At best it'll run upscaled 4k 30fps on release, but after a couple years should do 60fps easily once devs learn to optimize the hardware.
And $399 is do able since it'll be using 2 year old hardware when it comes out next Christmas.
>>341926026
It many games it looks like the console versions are the priority and the PC port is the afterthought with few extra bells and whistles.
>consolekeks falling for the memeflops
>>341922214
sure with lowest settings
>>341925610
>having a job
>>341926040
>lel, get with the times.
Waiting for the GP102 (Titan/1080Ti)
>>341914276
And you'll have to pick up a new 4KTV to go with it because if it detects 1080p output it will just hold back the GPU and CPU and perform like a launch Xbone. Weird console.
Anyone who can afford a 4k TV would already have a killer gaming rig.
>>341931087
You could get a quality 4k TV for 900 bucks in 2015.
>>341931087
dont forget to buy your 4k 240hz monitors too! remember you cant use a tv for a monitor
>>341929389
Nah, Microsoft isn't forcing devs to do 4k
With Scorpio, devs can decide to do 4k or stay at 1080p and just push graphics more
HIGHER QUALITY PIXELS
>>341913808
There will likely be a budget version with a smaller harddrive. I'm predicting $399 and $499 price points
No matter how good it is, as someone who bought both PS 4 and Xbox bc I just don't like gaming on my PC, Xbox isn't even about "gaming" anymore, they are trying to sell you TV, movies, all sorts of shit.
I finally stopped using my xbox, bc it seems like they are basically trying to take the place of cable companies, roku...and the games do suffer as a result.
If sony can come up with anything even close that is still about fucking games, I'd go with Sony. I don't want a "general home entertainment device that also plays games," just have it focus on fucking games!
>>341913228
I don't even care. Getting the S and the Scorpio. I need this beast in my life.
>>341913228
>$399
Was this confirmed?
>>341914276
Gonna be $1k minimum
and WILL include Microsoft VR headset or proprietary
>>341932936
>With Scorpio, devs can decide to do 4k or stay at 1080p
When xbox first came out, all the predictions said there would not be another new console until 2020-2022.
Obviously, they see a market there for people who they think will buy as TVs get cheaper and move to 4k and OLED.
I think they will have to be 4k to compete as people get used to better graphic and just won't want 1080 shit.
>>341933912
>Getting the S and the Scorpio.
Pic related
>>341933982
The 2TB Xbone S is $399
>>341934059
>Gonna be $1k minimum
Nah, max of $500. But the catch is that they want people to use it to buy movies, as blueray player, to play amazon on...they are trying to cut off Apple before they come out with something to steal marketshare, as they almost certainly must be doing since their stock is dropping and they need something new.
>>341929389
Are you retarded or fucking stupid
>6 teraflops
So it's the same as a midranged PC.
>4k gaming 60fps
Are you guys this deluded?
>$399
In your fucking dreams.
>>341913228
>$399
>Source is: My Ass.
>>341933912
>Getting the S and the Scorpio.
