You know how this works.
You just swing it right?
This is where I'd be putting up the Black Knight Great Axe if it wasn't NERFED TO FUCKING OBLIVION.
I am so booty bothered by it that I'm not buying the DS3 DLC.
I love her since dark souls 2
So quick, so good
Hollow infusion + Carthus rouge makes them perfect
>>341915721
finding out they didn't have bleed disappointed me
Been using this on NG+ and I'm enjoying it a lot so far. Not really my PVP wep but pretty fun PVE so far.
>>341913776
The latest patch nerfed the shit out of it? Thank goodness. What did they do?
IIT: fedora tipping teenage meleebabies who measure their self-worth by how well they can play video games, evaluate video games primarily by how hard they are, and whose insecurities compel them to constantly shit on caster-classes with false accusations of "no skill" and "easy mode."
What is melee? Spam R1. Gee, lotta skill there. At least with magic have to actually think and plan ahead before charging off screaming, "imma hit stuff" like a retard.
>>341916713
Magic is for cowards.
>>341912563
how can you say melee only when sorcerers and faith boys have literally only 1 viable tool for their class anyways
>>341916713
you okay there, pal? buddy?
This shit is so good
I use this with a carthus curved sword as backup on my favorite build
>>341916713
You're a faggot.
wrecked so many dudes with this thing
>>341912563
Have the buffed it? Last I checked it was objectively one of the shittiest UGS if not THE shittiest.
>>341916895
Unless you play a melee build that can get 1 or 2 shot by virtually anything, then shut up.
And also, no. I just prefer the playstyle. What does anyone who plays video games have to fear, anyway? It's not even real.
Welcome to the Lothric Space Program.
Here you go!
>>341916518
Slightly lowered the base damage and scaling, still viable, just not as strong as before.
>>341917574
It's not so bad in 3. But in DeS and DS and even early DS2 magic was easy mode as fuck. I don't care if you want to play easy mode, but don't pick easy mode then shit talk people playing the game normally.
Gonna benis my benis all over your benis till your mother clean-is my benis.
>>341916713
>I just lost to a dark sword user and I'm very upset
>>341918258
Try PvPing as a mage see how far you get. You call it easy mode well, maybe in PvE but for PvP you might as well call it Impossible Mode.
>>341914620
26 hours into Dark Souls 2 and Im still using this bitch
>>341918495
Yeah that's fair. I'll definitely concede that.
>>341916713
I bet you're the guy who black crystaled out after your Soul Stream snipe missed
Sharp with 50 DEX and 24 STR, and I use the Black Hand armor.
>>341918495
>obscuring ring
>crystal soul spear
so hard guys ugggh you meleefags will never know true difficulty
>>341915881
Same anon along w dragonslayer armor
>>341918886
*tips fedora*
*teleports behind you*
now we will see
whos the best
You spin me right round baby right round
>>341919262
shitty bloodletter poser
>>341915881
Yeah I'm using that with Dragonslayer armor at the moment, NG+6
Avelyn is pretty good
>>341916713
Try spamming R1 with ultras and see where it gets you
>>341917815
>>341912563
I'm surprised how much I'm liking it.
>>341919783
Aren't you supposed to go on some "gutted like a pig" spiel?
>>341919997
off yourself
>>341920006
What are you talking about?
>>341912697
My nigger, also a great counter weapon to dick sword users
>>341919783
>>341919993
>>341920183
MELEE ONLY EDITION
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I only have DS1. Shoukd I skip 2 and buy 3?
>>341921068
>>341921073
And miss out on the best game of the series? Are you kidding me?
>>341915881
It is amazing in pvp the 1 handed r2 devastates
>>341921353
>DS2
>best game in the series
>>341919993
Dang. You fucked my weapon's shit up, senpai.
>>341916518
>thank goodness
Fuck off.
>>341921750
Is it bad? I love the lore, so do I need to get 2?
>>341922014
>>341921073
>namefag
>>341921750
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina
>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina
>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character
>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character
>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks.
>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill
>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons
>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)
>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build
>Fun PvP covenants that were unique
>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun
>Rat covenant providing two unique optional areas for pvp that heavily involve the environment for pharros lockstone farming
>Blue Sentinel covenant had cracked blue orbs for arbiter invading and punishing sinners
>>341921068
It's Galsia.
>>341921750
It is
>>341922153
>Blue Sentinel covenant has its own PvP arena where you could PvP to earn cracked blue orbs for invading sinners
>Brotherhood of Blood covenant providing a PvP arena for farming cracked red orbs for invading players
>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights
>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again
>>341922153
>pvp shit
lmao
have fun fighting my phantoms with a blue sentinel on the way
that'll teach you to ruin my game
>>341922129
Yes, and i am a sperglord thank you.
>>341922014
Dark souls 2 is really good, but when compaired to 1 and 3 it's meh, still worth your time though, and the DLC is god-tier
>>341922343
>He summons other players to beat a game for him designed to be played and beaten by one player
The appeal of the souls series is the multi-player aspect. It's mediocre for a single player game.
>>341912563
*hits you from half a screen away*
>>341922578
filtered
>>341922706
don't worry I black crystal the summons when it comes boss time, they've served their purpose as my bodyguard
anything in between is inconsequential
>>341922659
But do I NEED to get it to understand 3? I can only afford 1 game.
>>341922905
it barely gets referenced in 3.
I'm claiming the phalanx spear from DeS.
Its so comfy for early game.
>>341922905
There's like 3-4 nods to it, but assuming that you've beaten DS1, you can pretty much skip 2.
It was until they nerfed it into the fucking ground.
>>341922905
You can only afford 1 game? Are you on console? Pretty sure you can pick up DaS1 and 2 for around 10 bucks used at Gamestop.
But I'm cheating on her with the Zwei.Goddamn that r2 poke is so good.
>>341921750
I personally had the most fun with 2 hands down but I can admit it wasn't the best in the series.
How can others compete
>>341923662
Infuse that shit with lightning, get 50 faith and put on lightning clutch and some decent armour
It's like they didn't nerf it in the first place.
>>341918638
she's perfect
>>341923547
I beat NG+6 so yes. Also, fuck NG+6 Gwyn.
>>341923847
>>341923886
>compensating
>>341924060
So you have to pump a bunch of points into a worthless stat and wear some bad gear just to get it back to its original power? its still nerfed
>>341912563
>Loved it in Dark 2
>Now people think I'm a shitty if I use it in 3
Suffering.
>>341924516
Wasn't infusion and clutch rings standard for any split/elemental damage weapon?
>>341924553
I suppose this goes for anyone who used a rapier in the old games.
>>341924060
Pretty much the same setup you did pre-nerf but it deals a lot less damage now.
>>341924516
Faith isn't worthless at all in DaS2.
>>341919997
This
I barely PVP but these twin bleed swords have gotten me through every boss fight so far on my dex build. Really fun. Plus keeping some carthus rouge on hand for whenever you get invaded is great too
Literally indisputably the best dual-wield weapon.
>>341924553
Is it OP now? I haven't kept up with meta.
>>341924792
Fire Estoc #1
>>341921073
The DLC in 2 makes it superb I believe. I don't know if it justifies the whole rest of the game tho. It's not absolute shit, it's still a good game all in all. I'd wait for a sale and get the Scholar edition
Off topic but does anyone find the weight restrictions to be a bit too much in this game?
Getting under 70 is ez pz but I can't get under 30% for the life of me
I'm currently using a battle axe and the sorcerers set and nothing else with 20 vit and i'm at like 28%
Like what
>>341925404
Going under 30% is really not worth it, especially on a melee build.
>>341922153
>>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
This is a non-issue. Healing is frowned upon in duels which are the main component of PvP. It might be a minor annoyance for invading phantoms but there are more severe problems regarding that aspect of the game than being able to move a few feet per chug.
>>341922153
>>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina
>>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina
How are these necessarily bad things? If players invest into stamina they should be duly rewarded, not have their capability limited by some arbitrary restriction. In DS3 at the END softcap an ultra greatsword user may only get 5 swings tops, right? So why should someone who's using a sword that does much less damage, but costs less stamina, be limited to 5 as well? Doesn't make sense.
>>341922153
>>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character
Uh... this happens in DS3 too, you know.
>>341922153
>>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character
Poise exists in DS3 too, you idiot. It adds frames of hyper armor. Who are you to say how much is too much? That's not even an objective criticism.
I'm not going to bother with the rest.
>>341924972
Raw Dragonslayer's + Lightning Blade/Pine can do some pretty damn good damage.
>>341912563
Why did they remove twinblades in das3?And where the hell is Santier's Spear? I miss those super unique weps.
>>341926020
Holy crap, someone realized that this isn't a dark souls thread.
fuck you all
>>341925852
You're wrong on all accounts.
>>341926247
I loved pretty much every weapon in that game.
Where's my lucerne bros at?
>>341926247
I fucking love that sword. It's only kinda meh in dark souls 1. Every other game it's very reliable.
Bloodborne and Dark Souls 2 have the best looking MLGs.
>>341926135slappers only
>>341926290
Oh, okay then. I see. Good thing you were here to correct all those errors and debunk all those false claims. Excellent work. Pic related, it's me I guess.
>>341925852
>duels which are the main component of PvP.
You lost me already. Fuck your honor shit
>>341926381
there were only like 20, proved quality > quantity
>>341925852
Is this actual quality bait?
>>341925852
>This is a non-issue. Healing is frowned upon in duels which are the main component of PvP.
Not him, but being able to move and heal is overpowered, and I've seen plenty of phantoms doing it in pvp
I wish they brought it back in any of the later games.
>>341926738
Obviously not. Why would you even question that?
>>341926716
I feel that way in general to be honest. I don't need 20 straight swords if they're mostly the same, I'm just going to use either the best or more aesthetic one and the other 18 might as well not exist.
I thought they were going to use Arts to set weapons apart more, but sadly that was mostly not the case.
>>341918886
I've tried them a few days after the last patch and noticed that the WA had a lot of chance (the biggest one being hyper armor).
Before that I never really tried them seriously but my opinion on them changed completely, I even made a video of some of my fights with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoo2lHWBjk
What do you guys think?
>>341926247
>tfw Sony won't say anything about ps4k or new fromsoft exclusives yet
I don't wanna buy one now and look like an idiot when 4.5 arrives, but I also wanna play some bloodborne
>>341927030
>wanting a 400$ bloodborne machine
>>341926667
>he's so bad at the fucking game he has to heal to win
>>341927125
I also mentioned new fromsoft exclusives which I can almost guarantee there will be more of
but you're right about one thing, bloodborne is the only worthwhile game on that thing at the moment
>>341927125
Between the few exclusives it gets and playing some games with friends I don't regret mine at all. I probably play more on pc but I thoroughly enjoy most of my time with the ps4. Not really sure why people get so rattled about the whole thing.
>>341918258
>But in DeS and DS and even early DS2 magic was easy mode as fuck
>DS
Magic only get's fun until you get to sen's funhouse and can buy Hommng soulmass before that is Dante must die mode
>DS2
You're shitting right? the game where you cant make weapon abuse and enemies gank you?, magic here only star to get good at Harvest valley an that's eary.
Just because late magic can OHKO almos anything doesn't mean that the investment and sacrifices to do that aren't little, besides finding a INT scalling weapon early on any game is literally impossible, but as a mage you have the whole fucking game at your feet.
>>341912563
>>341927334
maybe bloodborne 2? Im doubtful but hopeful
>>341927427
>he doesn't know about the cescent falchion
>he didn't play DeS
>>341927628
Bloodborne is one of my favourite games but I don't think I want this. I've enjoyed every fresh Fromsoft game recently and none of the sequels. I just don't think they know how to make a sequel.
Is there a place I can practice parrying greatswords? I'm slowly getting good, but still always lose to them. I got the AGS charge down, but just can't wrap my head around when exactly the parry window is, it just seems to work when it wants to.
>>341913776
>its only a small AR nerf
oh no!, now you might have to hit me 3 times instead of the 2 hit combo from before!
Doing my first "real" play through (my other 2 were trash builds) and I just got the zweihander. Am I fucked for PvE/PvP?
>>341928405
Personally I like parrying them with a medium shield.
>Tank first hit
>Parry second hit
They never see it coming.
>>341928028
yeah i suppose, just sucks because I really enjoy the lore
>>341928696
Honestly, I wouldn't call 50 AR a "small" nerf.
At least the BKGA is still usable.
Fume UGS in comparison got raped.
>>341929057
Yeah I get what you're saying. Maybe they wouldn't fuck it up? Who knows.
This is singlehandedly the greatest and fastest weapon in the game. It fucks you up if you use a shield, and fucks you up if you use anything other than a Straight/Curved Sword. I had one at Raw +6 and managed to take out Pontiff and Aldritch easily.
>>341929001
Medium shield, huh.
I've been trying with lights, maybe that's my problem.
Any particular shield you recommend or will knight's do fine?
I'm a sucker for vanilla stuff.
>>341927259
I'm not even talking about healing you twat, I'm talking about your forced honor duels. Dont force that shit, I invaded to fuck shit up and kill whoever, phantoms or host. Its about the fight. And personally i dont heal unless the person I'm trying to kill heal first. But whatever. My main point was that the main point of PvP is not forced, structured PvP. The game is not balanced for 1v1 no shenanigans bullshit on a flat surface
>>341917715
Aww beat me to it
So many people think they can interrupt my attack with their toothpicks before they start floating in the most peculiar way
>>341921334
What item does that scream thing?
>>341929228
Lothric Knight Shield is the best in the medium category but is a bit heavy.
But you can also do it with small shields like for example Iron Round Shield and Llewellyn Shield.
>>341927013
The music is really bad.
>>341912689
No you swing it left, dumb ass.
>>341929867
That's the best I could get out of the editing program of the PS4 sadly.
>>341921353
3 was really good but didn't have the impact on me the rest of the series did, I'm guessing it's due to how much I learned and played the previous games but I only played it twice and didn't find it as memorable as the rest. It is a good game though.
>>341928696
oh wow, now it performs as well as much faster, lower stamina cost weapons with NO advantage!
are fist weapons buffed yet??
>>341930478
>what is hyper armor
>>341929452
>Go through the whole game with nothing but a dagger
>Nameless fucker gives me a good amount of trouble but I eventually overcome it
Daggers are the best. I still think it's retarded that they lose out to huge weapons in backstab/riposte damage, and that huge weapons can even equip the hornet ring in the first place.
>>341927013
Pretty good man,
I've been using O&U since launch but never really had a reason to use the WA until now.
>>341929216
Started using that in NG+ in pve/pvp. Really fucking fast and the fact that it's thrust too pairs well with the leo ring. I just buff up a bit with miracles and go at it.
>>341930639
something on other better 3 shot weapons
>>341929795
If you go in dragon form using the dragon stone or dragon scale or whatever it is called (it's an item with infinite uses) and then use it again it does the scream which buffs attack and allows for a critical hit
Its actually way better than i expected it to be. Started using it as a joke at first but ended up maining it cause its fucking awesome. Got strength scaling to A and str is like 78 now so it fucking wrecks
wolf knight great sword for dem fliips am i rite nerds
>>341931052
You've wasted 18 stats for not even 6 AR bonus.
Good job.
>finally finished leveling my sorcerer to 120
>nothing else really left to do in the game, no point to progressing further
>all ready to start the PvP meta
>don't want to endure hours of nonstop losing because I'm still a scrub and magic sucks
>want to play game
>can't be bothered
Wat do
>>341932000
same, cool trips
>spend 1 billion hours setting up a character for pvp
>never pvp
>>341932000
>magic sucks
How fucking bad are you
>>341932237
Heh. I do the same shit when it comes to emulation. What is wrong with me?
>>341932240
You have to be pretty fucking good to win a duel with a pure INT build.
>>341932240
In PvP. PvE, its OP as fuck.
Objectively the best straight sword
Dark Swords can eat a dick
>>341916713
You sound like a fun guy.
Anyway, I'mhaving a blastwith this sword. It really surprised me, especially for a split damage weapon. It has one of the most versatile movesets I've ever seen.
>>341934486
Very true, both in fashion and damahe for stats invested. Combine with a princess ring, obscuring ring and blessed offhand, you live forever.
>>341930620
In a major way, yes. Demon's fist and claws are now top notch.
>>341928785
nah you're good put some heavy on that shit and get it up to 10. just remember to bait and follow up with that l2 r2
>>341935798
By putting heavy on it you mean infusing it right? I haven't explored much of that yet. Pretty sure I have a heavy gem though
>>341936167
Yeah
>>341935767
What about the caestus? is it good now?
>>341917715
I normally say "welcome to flight school," but I like yours too.
>>341936167
Heavy gem is only good if you're going for a full strength build. Man, there are better ultras than the zwei my friend. Go to the cathedral's cleansing chapel bonfire and look around for the Astora Greatsword. Basically a superior Zweihander.
>>341935429
Is that Twin Prince's Greatsword? That thing is fucking great. Two weapon arts in one that are better than the sum of its parts. Does pretty good damage as well for how versatile it is.
>>341936689
Haven't really looked into it, but it seems to me that fist weapons have been buffed in a big way since last patch. Lots of webbums featuring people getting punched to death.
>>341936885
I agree, especially if you riposte or backstab since crits ignore defense bonuses and it being a split damage weapon has significantly greater AR than other greatswords.
Holy Lothric Light is an amazing punishment attack for chuggers.
>>341937417
I'm currently using an INT build and I specced specifically so I could still use it. Any class can use it effectively, it's just an all around great weapon. Shame that they fixed weapon arts to where you can't use them with only 1 FP though, it was in a league of its own. SLL was great for poking those last ticks of health off people.
>>341938165
Yeah, I had honestly thought it was intentional before. Still, just means you need to be a little more discrete about it. It still gets the job done.
